For years, the Pro-EU gang have tried to scare the pants off us all with delusional warnings of an apocalyptic future for the UK outside the EU. It’s been a fear-fest unparalleled in its cynicism and dishonesty that, admittedly, has enjoyed some success.
Those who want us to be shot of the EU have offered a more measured and upbeat message, extolling the UK’s strengths and promise, and anticipating the freedom of re-entering the global economic fray as a self-governing democratic nation and without a 1970s zombie customs union around our neck.
But now both the In and Out camps need to confront a sobering and real danger: the EU is slowly dragging the UK into a war with Russia. Some UKIP MEPs have warned of the danger of this, including Jim Carver.
Many In voters will find it tough to buy the notion of an EU-Russia hot war; they’ve swallowed the myth that the EU is the cure for war, not its cause. They’ve also been brainwashed into believing that Russia is the aggressor in the Ukraine, and that the EU is using sanctions as a peaceable means to dissuade Russia from further damaging the region. But, as we edge closer to the brink, and as the EU’s sabre-rattling grows louder, many will awaken to the fact that the EU has quietly been one of the most violent and fanatical international forces humanity has ever devised, and that it won’t think twice about going to war with Russia or anyone else.
When it comes to building its empire, the EU is cold, so, so cold. The EU views other people’s death and dying for its cause in the same detached way it views building train lines and harmonizing license plate designs. And the EU has never met a millimeter of territory – moral, social, cultural, economic … and, of course, geographic – that it doesn’t think it owns. As far as EU ideologues are concerned, Russia already belongs to them, and they want it back. This has been evident ever since the EU sparked the Ukraine conflict as a way to demonize, destabilize and eventually grab Russia with a military invasion.
The EU has been secretly building its military for years, and now it’s gone public with its own army, air force and navy (informally backed by the USA’s forces and NATO’s blessing). It is telling the world – and Russia, in particular – that it’s ready for a fight, one in which UK warriors will die with their boots on under an EU flag. To its great shame, the UK government has meekly delivered our military to the EU for this dubious sacrifice.
Those for whom EU violence is not just an abstract idea will find the prospect of the EU starting a war to be reasonable – likely, even. This group might include the people in the Balkans conflict who experienced, first hand, the EU’s strategic indifference to human death and suffering. It might include the Ukrainians propelled into war by the EU’s empire building. It might even include the Syrians who saw the EU “parliament” trip over itself in an obscene stampede to provide armaments to al Qaida and to start bombing their country.
And can anyone argue that the EU’s economic (and actual) carnage in Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, and across the EU is not an act of paralyzing, warlike violence? And then there’s the horror show that is the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy, in which the EU cold heartedly deploys EU farming subsidies as a weapon to price poor nations out of world markets, causing death and misery.
The stench of death and misery permeates the EU, from its cavernous, useless and mostly empty deliberating floor, to its stultifying insistence on global cultural homogeneity. The EU resembles a death cult. Just read these words placed prominently above the door at the European “parliament’s” visitors’ centre in Brussels illustrate:
“National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times… The only final remedy for this supreme and catastrophic evil of our time is a federal union of the peoples…”
It is clear that every EU member nation has accepted its own oblivion. They have met the EU’s death cult with their own suicide pact. Compared to the list of EU violence, going to war with Russia isn’t a big leap for the EU.
It’s no wonder, then, that few people are surprised at the EU’s attempt to starve millions of Russians into submission and/or uprising to get its way. It will take the tiniest of geo-political nudges from EU propagandists to turn the “peaceable” sanction mentality into a war footing. When that happens, does the UK really want to be shackled to a violent fanatic who is blinded by hubris, driven by dogma, and who is armed and going to war with Russia? (This war will end in bloody EU failure, of course, but that’s a different story.)
Running from a fight isn’t British. Neither is abandoning a “friend” at a time of conflict. But picking a needless war with Russia, as the EU is doing, is stupid – innocent Brits will die and millions of lives will be destroyed. The sensible thing to do is dump our fanatical “friend” by voting Out in the EU referendum, before the fighting begins. And the fighting will begin. As Tony Blair, the spiritual leader of the In camp, once said:
The rationale for Europe [sic] today is not peace anymore, it’s power.
Those intending to vote In the EU referendum should pay close attention to their leaders’ words. He means what he says.
I think the EU is simply following the orders of Washington in respect of Russia. When we get out of the EU, we need to ensure that we’re no one’s poodle.
Voting Yes to stay in the EU is tantamount to confirming the taxpayers never ending subsidies for banks and political ideas however daft and uneconomic they are. Subsidising the Mafia has never been mentioned in any manifesto I have read.
Voting No will allow us to take back control and scrutiny of those insititutions, failing, needing subsidies and requiring (stealing) taxpayers money. From politicians, investors and speculators, who have invested unwisely.
As RBS have already shown us amongst others. And if S&P want to pull our “AAA” rating I am all for it. It means the government will find borrowing more expensive and will tax their little brains to get their priorities right.
And that is where referendums as the norm, would come in handy.
The Farage habit seems to be catching. It is being reported that Sepp Blatter intends to un-resign.
Peas of a pod.
“Meanwhile, we watch as a resurgent Russia rattles an ever-larger sabre”
Really?
Looks to me like it’s not Russia that is resurgent russia rattling sabres, it’s the Fourth Reich.
EU should extend further into former Soviet Union, says David Cameron
Speaking in Kazakhstan, British PM says European Union should stretch from the Atlantic to the Urals
If that isn’t provocation I don’t know what is. Lebensraum anyone?
Do Cameron and Merkel believe they can succeed where Napoleon and Hitler failed? Third time lucky, is it?
Quite right, too. I am a Eurosceptic (which is not the same thing as a Europhile) but national security is very important. So I am voting Yes to stay in Europe.
A vote to stay in is far more likely to drag Britain into war with itself than it is with Russia.
The British people have no gripe with Russia and they have none with us.
“The British people have no gripe with Russia and they have none with us.”
True.
But have you heard the way Cameron talks about Russia and Putin?
And, if the EU goes to war with Russia, then the entire EU will be at war with Russia.
Don’t forget that the UK can be outvoted by other EU nations on its own domestic policies via qualified majority voting.
“The British people have no gripe with Russia and they have none with us.”
Cameron has.
He wants the EUSSR to rule Russia.
UKIP is pro-Russia. We all know that.
“We all know that” do we? Don’t talk such rot. The EUSSR is a mirror image of the old USSR in its idelogical insistence on conformity, compliance and subservience to those who make decisions behind closed doors. UKIP hates the EU with a vengeance and wants its destruction. One reason for this is its constant power-grabbing within and without the EU empire. Its political encroachment on the Ukraine, trying to wheedle its former leader into cosying up to EU partnership is entirely to blame for the civil war in that country. When Nigel Farage pointed this out he was predictably attacked for being ‘pro-Putin’ by simplistic people who don’t seem to realise that Putin isn’t Russia and Russia isn’t Putin. It is possible to see another country’s point of view without being ‘pro’ that country or its leader, for those of us who aren’t completely lacking in some political sophistication.
No Russian leader would tolerate encroachments on what remains of their sphere of influence, any more than the Americans would tolerate the Russians sweet-talking a country in close proximity to their mainland. Remember Cuba and the nuclear missiles Kruschev wanted to place there with Castro’s co-operation? The USA was a bit upset by that, unsurprisingly.
Yes, we do all know that. Everyone, that is, except Russia, China – and UKIP.
The rest of your post is completely ignorant. You ignore, or – more likely – unaware of the events and atrocities perpetrated by the Russian troops in the run-up to the referendum that triggered the illegal invasion and annexation.
Women and children have died over there. But that’s okay with you, so long as Putin wars with the EU.
Read up on it. Or move to Moscow.
“Explain to the missus why you think it is okay for Ukrainian women to be violated.”
“Women and children have died over there. But that’s okay with you, so long as Putin wars with the EU.”
“Move to Moscow.”
Your arguments are irrational and therefore weak. No one thinks or says that it’s ‘okay’ for these atrocities to happen. No one loves Putin. No one loves a warmongering Russia. No one wants conflict and bloodshed. No one wants to move to Moscow.
You are just flailing about wildly, accusing others of sentiments they do not feel in order to feel self-righteous and justified in attacking them.
Having been born immediately post-war, I am fully aware of the inhumanity of the old USSR and the power-grabbing threat it presented to freedom and world peace. I’m glad it’s gone, but that doesn’t mean the old Communist ways of thinking have gone and they are ably represented by Putin, who is not to be trusted. All the more reason, then, not to poke him with a sharp EU stick and pretend to be surprised when he reacts predictably.
One unscrupulous power bloc trying to extend its influence over another unscrupulous power bloc, with horrendous casualties following. A plague on both their houses.
Best ignore him, he’s just another troll.
Kippers hate facts. Facts they disagree with, that is.
But keep going, son. You are doing wonders.
I second that statement. mailbiter is a known troll on the Daily Telegraph comment boards.
Kippers embrace ignorance – it comforts them. That is the nature of the bottom 10%.
Have a look at Amnesty International. Check the facts, instead of merely repeating slogans.
Then maybe explain to the missus why you think it is okay for Ukrainian women to be violated. Or perhaps debate with your kids why summary executions of unarmed men is perfectly all right.
I always felt that is wasn’t just Blair that was to blame for the death and destruction – the blood on his hands is also on the hands of those that supported him.
So believe what what you want, sonny. But you will only get others in the bottom 10% to agree with you.
I intend to ignore him now, after posting my reply to his ridiculous assertions below. His bald green-faced man icon has the look of someone about to be thoroughly sick. No doubt he is sickened by the violence and destruction he reads about, but so are we all. This shouldn’t prevent us from assessing situations, seeing cause and effect and coming to rational conclusions instead of being swept away by emotion.
Fool.
UKIP defended the fixed referendum. It was condemned as illegitimate by the entire world (apart from Russia, China – and UKIP).
Paul Nuttall publicly supported the referendum, despite many reports of intimidation and violence from the Russian troops that actually conducted it.
Farage and Nuttall appear regularly on state-owned TV in Russia.
Farage’s praise for Putin is regular and well-documented.
You can verify all of this for yourself, if you want. But you won’t.
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The French and Germans have form when it comes to attacking Russia. The analysis that we are more likely to be dragged into conflict as members of the EU is correct. We need to maintain our independence on such matters and that means freeing ourselves of the dangerous EU.
If it ever happens you know full well who will be expected to be in the vanguard, and it won’t be Belgium
Belgium will probably be empty if and when this happens; I can’t see any of the EU personnel remaining in any EU country. They will reason that they might get hurt or killed — and that is only acceptable when it happens to people who aren’t them.