We fought hard for the right to declare our independence from the clutches of the corrupt, undemocratic EU, but all we hear is about some mythical trade deal. Of course, trade is important, that is the freedom to trade with who we want under terms that we decide, but Brexit is about far more than trade, it is about the freedom to decide our own Laws, who comes to our Country, and the rules that they must follow.
To return to trade, from day one, and the multi-page propaganda leaflet Mr Cameron kindly sent to every home in the UK, it seems that many did not read it, or for that matter watch the many TV interviews where Mr Cameron and others stated categorically that to Leave Europe meant exiting the Single Market and Customs Union, likewise, should we not make a deal with the EU, we would leave under WTO Rules, which most of the world trades on, it is pure Project Fear to talk of No Deal, should a deal not be agreed, the default is WTO, not the state of limbo that seems to be the option we are told about. Business wants certainty, this they have, if they plan for WTO, and assume that this is the “worst” on offer, where is the problem, for over 2 years, WTO has been the default, so why have they not planned for it? Any business worth its salt has plans in place to be ready for changes to market conditions, beyond their control, a business that is not ready for WTO, frankly, in my opinion as an ex-businessman, has failed in its core purpose, to ensure its survival in predictable circumstances.
As I said Brexit is about much more than Trade, take Ireland. When we regain our status as an Independent Nation State next month, surely it is up to us, and only us, to decide what Customs Posts we wish to place on our National Borders. It is up to us, and only us, what we use them for, be that collecting Customs duties, checking paperwork, or waving people through, just doing a head count of how many come into our Nation or leave! It is damn all to do with anyone else; it is up to us. We want an open border with Southern Ireland, and they with us, a situation that has worked in the past, indeed, on a family holiday to Ireland, I remember my sisters being most upset, when driving from Belfast to Dublin and back, we were no stopped at a Customs Post, it worked them, and with goodwill, can work now. The point is this, come the end of March, it is up to us to decide if we put customs posts along “our” side of the border, and no one else’s, How dare an unelected bunch of corrupt officials tell us what to do on our own sovereign soil, it is damn all to do with them, what next, no Customs at Dover or Heathrow, on the orders of the EU after we leave.
This country is capable of great things, in the summer of 1940, we fought the Battle of Britain, starting with about 600 fighter aircraft, with most of the fighting during September, but despite losses of pilots and planes, we ended the month of September with about 800 fighter aircraft and pilots, despite our losses and the bombing of aircraft factories. My point is this; when we put our mind to it and act as a Nation, there is nothing that can stop us. We do not want any sort of war, trade or otherwise, all we seek is a sensible deal that works for all, so let’s stop talking about “backstops” and a fictional “No Deal”, and accept reality, come the end of March, we are free of Europe, if on WTO, so be it, our door is always open to a deal that works for all.
I have made enquiries from many , so called , intelligent people …Why is ,”NO DEAL BAD “,…… it seems to be a mantra that is repeated as an elixir to calm the remoaners brain….As of yet the best answer has been ,”Because IT IS ,” does’nt fill me with a great deal of confidence in their intelligence.
We need to change the terminology of people who say we’re ‘crashing out’ of the EU with no deal. We’re not ‘crashing out’ – we’re ‘escaping’ the ‘shackles’ of the bloc, and the more we use these terms, the easier voters will come to think of WTO rules as a good move.
Again look at Gibbon & Rome. Whenever Rome was governed by more than one person, the group became corrupt and all but one died in suspicious circunstances.
I’m so glad you said it: Brexit is about more than trade, it is about freedom — not just to trade with who we wish to, but freedom in general. Just ask Remainers why they want their children and grandchildren to live under a dictatorship because that is what the EU is. Agreed, not yet a one-man or one-woman dictatorship, but a Group Dictatorship, the group being of course the Commissioners.
I must be the only person in UKIP who does not want peculiar voting methods. None are any good.
Mrs May is using Trade as an reason and has used this excuse to monstrous proportions. and managed to frighten ignorant MP’s and us …This is a monstrous con.. Trade is actually a tiny misunderstood meaningless slogan. 99% of our trade is carried out inside our bordersThe other 1 % can be remedied at any time. If in fact it is ever a problem. Which in itself is problematic…
The entire exercise is a monstrous evil being perpetrated on the country who just need educating. The EU are chuckling behind their hands.
This is a huge edifice of lies , Barefaced and impenetrable
The Irish border is a problem and edifice costructed by Tony Blair. Who built it without permission or regard to possible consequences ,bolstered by giving a guarantee he had no business giving. without debate in our sovereign H of C.
We want a GE within 14 days , not hard every person in the uk know what its about so get parliment suspended and start canvasing.
The PM must give a minimum of three weeks’ notice of a General Election but it must have crossed her mind that if she calls one, the famous members of The Independent Group will be wiped out.
And if she called one now, Brexit would be a cert because Parliament would be dissolved so there could be no more shenanigans.
With both main parties split down Brexit/EU lines, we could be witnessing a complete upheaval within our party system.
Interesting times!
Theresa May would not dare call a General Election unless an agreement had been made to extend the Article 50 ‘negotiations’ first.
First past the post makes sense to the practical. To those who look further MPs are almost powerless except to vote for a PM ( Again FPTP ) . Then for a Manifesto. Which again everybody votes for Irrelevant but voted for.in GEs. So we get there! I think.But that is for later.
Right now when parliament is in turmoil is when Protest politics is paramount for the flexible..
Acombination of carefully chosen protests and manifesto could have effect.
Most of us on this site would probably also wish for departure on WTO terms, especially if such had been properly prepared for.
Sadly, I do not see our anti democratic ‘Parliament’ allowing any such thing to happen.
Until we get Proportional Representation as the mechanism for electing MPs we will never have a Parliament which represents us.
https://www.makevotesmatter.org.uk
We all want the same but maybe shock therapy is best now .