Do we want to win the OUT vote – or do we want to lose that vote because suddenly the fight against Islamification has found a new – for us in the UK – platform to show our anger?
Anne-Marie Waters, one of our members and a candidate for the London Assembly, has shared a platform when the English PEGIDA* was announced, and has been asked to resign her candidature because of this. She is still a member.
The anger, annoyance, and general unhappiness with this decision has been boiling over online, see the original report here . Members and supporters are angry and very upset, right down to resigning their membership.
Yes, Islam and Islamification are a huge problem, in the EU but even more so here in our country.
Yes, we must fight this
But let me ask this:
Does anybody really think we can fight islamification while we are still in the EU?
Really?
Does anybody think that the establishment, and especially the EU establishment and their henchmen in the national and international MSM, would allow this? Brussels is even now taking on the duly elected conservative government of Poland because they don’t like what that government is doing.
Do you really think they would not do this to us here in the UK if we stay in because we lost the OUT vote?
How, do you think, can we insist on British Law applying to all who live here when we remain in the EU?
Isn’t it obvious that with our small resources our main fight in the next few months has to be to gain the OUT vote?
If we lose that vote, we’ll never secure our borders, we will have to take in ‘EU’ nationals coming from Syria, Morocco, and sub-Saharan Africa. You do know about the camps at Calais and how those ‘inhabitants’ threaten our truck drivers, don’t you!
Do we want to lose the fight for the OUT vote, and any chance we might then have, of fighting against islamification because support for PEGIDA now means infallibly an even worse smear-and-slime campaign in the MSM against UKIP and thus the OUT-Vote?
Have we already forgotten what happened in 2013, 2014, 2015? Have we already forgotten the tons of dirt poured over UKIP, Nigel Farage, and any UKIP candidate anywhere?
Does anybody really think this won’t happen now, or that the MSM would not make use of Ms Water’s support for PEGIDA both during the London assembly elections and during the referendum campaign?
Do we want our candidates, do we want Nigel Farage, do we want our OUT campaigners have to defend themselves day in day out against the MSM smears of being neo-Nazis, as is happening to the German AfD?
We cannot fight on two fronts at the same time.
We must concentrate on the OUT campaign.
If we lose that, not even a hundred UK PEGIDAS will succeed.
* PEGIDA: Patriotische Europaer Gegen Islamification des Abendlandes, i.e. European Patriots against islamification of the occident.
I think it’s best to concentrate all energies on getting us out of the EU for now. When we are out we can then concentrate on the Islamisation problem.
Good article. We need to focus energies on the Leave campaign now.
All good points BUT this is from an ordinary UKIP member. UKIP’s NEC, or London committee at least, should have issued this explanation at the time or shortly afterwards. It was the right decision, and Vivian is not the only one who see that, but only EU Commissioners act without explaining them selves to members and it should have been obvious to UKIP’s high command that members needed an explanation. So how come they did not get one? Do they follow (or care) about ordinary members are feeling?
Keeping Pegida entirely separate from Ukip is the best way to avoid the tags of racism, Islamophobia and xenophobia being attached to Ukip and others on the Leave side of the debate. It is unfair and inaccurate to attach these labels to Pegida but the fact is it is too late and they cannot be removed except by Pegida itself. Perception is reality during a referendum campaign and really does swing votes. That is the reality.
Yes, that’s the sad reality right now, and in this time of easy access to other national MSM, it is obvious that they will copy from each other. The German establishment, all in the MSM, is dead keen to keep us in the EU. It would be open season on UKIP and the LEAVE campaign could they smear us with the same unfair arguments they’ve been smearing the original PEGIDA with.
And let’s not forget the instant Left wing demonstrators, so keen to use violence against what they regard as opponents. ANTIFA in Germany, Hate-not-Hope, UAF over here: we cannot afford to have them attack us (as they did, for example, during the GE in Rotherham) and thus make ordinary people shy away from our OUT campaign.
That sounds like a blueprint Colliemum.
Give a dog a bad name and all that.
However, despite all the brickbats, we did achieve a shedload of votes – from all over the shop.
Wonder what we could have achieved, if we had achieved our true potential!
The flack will come, hope those at the top have the brass neck to give as good as they get.It will as usual be dirty – all designed to obscure the real event – the case for BREXIT
Well handled !
We must indeed not expose any flank to an easy attack.
We must focus on THE job in hand.
OUT is to where our energies must be directed.
Discipline is needed, self discipline especially members.
Yes I agree.
The “demonising” of any patriotic group is all part of the EUliblabcon, being a member of UK Independence Party I read the rules. Not allowed to share any social media comments from any proscribed groups. Oops better get me thrown out. Some of those comments are part of the truth that needs to be told.
With regard to all these immigrants, why are they leaving their country? Britain survived 2 World Wars and evacuated our children to safer regions while our men fought for our freedom. Messing up the Middle East to steal their assets is abominable, the male immigrants need to go home to fight to change their countries for the better and the women and children to be taken to safe regions within their own familiar territory.
The male immigrants are too busy planning how they can get away with sexual pervert behaviour, dividing the country that was stupid enough to let them in, and waiting to support the jihadis when they make their move.
Why bother risking your life to fight for your country when you’re invited in to take over someone else’s?
Reluctantly, I have to agree with you, Vivian. The demonising of PEGIDA sticks in the throat, but the first and most important goal is for the UK to LEAVE the EU. With only months to go to persuade the undecideds we can’t afford to be distracted by a row about another group.
We can only hope that the NEC doesn’t make the wrong move and proscribe PEGIDA; this would be a serious mistake and risk alienating UKIP members who support its aims.
Fight one battle at a time and win it, that is the sensible strategy.
I confess that I needed quite some time to calm down, not ring HQ and scream down the phone at whoever hapless person had to answer, not to blow my top online …
I keep thinking of a saying of rather famous German General: “March separately, fight together.”
Right now, we must reluctantly march separately from PEGIDA/UK, in the knowledge that once we’re out we can address that problem of islamification.
But first, we must win “OUT”, and since my memory does go back further than last Saturday, I recall with extreme displeasure the hack-attacks on all of us, not just Nigel.
We cannot afford to provide the establishment (the enemy) with free ammunition.
Sad, I don’t like it, but there it is …