I heard on the Jeremy Vine programme that Brendan Cox, the husband of the murdered MP Jo Cox, has launched a Foundation in her name to champion the message she related in her maiden speech in the commons. The core of the message was that as she travelled the world and travelled the UK she became aware that the different nationalities and races have more in common than any difference between them.
Consider first for example people from the Asian sub-continent of Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Pakistan and India who are resident in the UK. They drive the same sorts of cars as us, many run shops or work in the NHS, reproduce the same as everyone else and live in normal UK properties. That’s what we have in common.
They generally eat Asian food (or the British equivalent) all the time, they talk their own language most of the time, their allegiance is likely to be to their own community and country of their origin. The way they furnish and function in their homes is completely different to the way of the Europeans. In the majority of cases they form relationships amongst their own community and often by parental arrangement.
They have their own laws for community conduct and avoid getting the UK police involved in domestic or community disorder. Their religion(s) are different from the indigenous population who are probably in the majority now atheist, though most pay lip service to being Christian, and don’t understand the meaning of the term.
Whilst some Asian men dress like Westerners others wear turbans, others wear with white or brown or black smocks and the majority of woman wear saris or black clothes and head shawls or even burkahs. In Asia if a woman has been taken advantage of or even if raped she is deemed to be evil and can be imprisoned or even stoned to death.
Asian females who have taken a partner without parental consent, or had an ‘illicit’ affair, or been raped while living in the UK are ostracised, or beaten up, or even sent back to Asia where they disappear. Asian women generally are subservient to the males and controlled strictly by religious pressure from challenging the dominant males for reasonable equality.
When Asian families buy into our neighbourhoods we move out and let them take over. We allow them to speak disparagingly about our country, our culture and Christianity. We are not allowed to say a word about them or theirs. Within the system of mosques is a network conspiring to bring terror to our streets and to bring our different cultures into conflict.
Immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa come from places where the women are always covered up so as not to tempt other males to ‘interact’ with them. A significant number of male immigrants from these regions believe that the sexually inviting clothing of European females means they are available for sex. This is hardly surprising because it’s also how European males see them as well but are constrained by laws and social conditioning to not touch unless invited by the female to do so.
Females from certain African countries receive genital mutilation in order to discourage them being promiscuous. This doesn’t of course prevent them being raped by rampant males who roam across thousands of miles of that continent in civil wars that have been raging for decades.
It seems to me that the majority of African and Middle Eastern and Asian immigrants that have invaded us in the last five years want to destroy our culture and change it into the one they have escaped from. What they don’t seem to want is to integrate, and successive UK governments have championed multiculturalism, which means not integrating.
From my perspective we have little in common because they don’t have a desire to integrate into British community and we certainly don’t want to adopt their culture, religion, laws, dress code, or sexual inequality.
The Jo Cox Foundation is Brendan using his connections with numerous charities and Quasi Non Government Organisations (Quangos) to promote globalisation and the free movement of people. He has every right to do that but the message hasn’t yet permeated through to the ‘elite’ yet that the people have woken up and we want to reassert our national identity, here and elsewhere across the Western World.
We are not the same as other nationalities and cultures and this is not a bad thing and should be championed. We should be able to maintain our culture and identity and not be overwhelmed by foreigners nor constrained by anti-British racism and political correctness.
@ Gary Conway
“The only solution would be mass deportation”. Obviously.
Didn’t you notice that that is exactly what I said needs to happen? – forced repatriation in other words; no ifs, no buts, no hard luck stories, no appeals, no arguments legal or otherwise. A government with the political will to do this could enforce it and there had better be one with the guts to do it before it comes to a civil war and mass casualties in some nightmare future.
Because the British people will fight back; they won’t lie supine and allow their country to be stolen from them by the worst fascists the world has ever seen. And the Army and police would have to make a choice about which side to support: their own people or the invaders. I can guess the outcome. I’d rather see this country under British martial rule and curfew than muslim rule. In fact, I’d rather be dead, fighting for my country and freedom.
No acceptance, no surrender, no appeasement, no backing down, no invader tolerated. If you don’t bother fighting to keep what’s yours, you might as well be dead anyway.
I wish we had a Geert Wilders in this country.
Dee hopes that Marine, Trump and so on will create a political wave that changes the position. Amen to that and it’s very possible! But UKIP’s current approach is one valid for a Britain that existed twenty or thirty years ago but no longer does. Most of its supporters can’t face that. Human kind can’t stand too much reality as TS Eliot is often quoted! I got involved in all this precisely to promote the approach when it could still work.
Farage himself is doing a great job but not so many years ago he was condemning those who say the things he says now as demons.
Islamic Fundamentalists are not easy to please.
They are not happy in Gaza, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Tunisia, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia, Eritrea, or Ethiopia.
Where do they want to live?
They want to live in Australia, Canada, England, France, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Italy, Spain, Greece, Hungary, Norway, Holland, and the USA.
Basically they want to live anywhere but their birthplace. But still they are not happy with the alternative places because they are populated by atheists and Christians.
Who do they blame?
Not Islam. Not their leadership. Not themselves.
They blame the countries they have moved to, and then want to change them to be like the ones they have come from.
Why are they so quick to commit suicide?
What they don’t have.
Christmas, Television, Nude Women, Football, Pork Chops, Hot Dogs, Burgers, Beer, or Bacon.
What they do have.
Rags for clothes, towels for hats, slippers for shoes, constant wailing from some bloke in a tower – 5 times a day, Ramadan for a month, more than one wife, more than one mother-in-law, they aren’t allowed to shave, their wife (or wives) can’t shave, they can’t get rid of the smell of donkeys, they cook over camel dung, their wives are picked for them by someone else (and smells worse than the donkey).
What they are told.
That if they martyr themselves they will go to Nirvana and have numerous virgins for eternity.
It must be a bit tempting.
Thanks, Anthony, for that amusing vignette. It produced a grim smile.
Of course, all these people – 1.3bn of them worldwide – had the supreme misfortune to be born into the most disgusting and inhumane ideology ever to be thought up by the raving psycho who managed to pull off the biggest con trick in the world. Mohammad the Mad was more successful than all the evil dictators that have ever lived all rolled into one gargantuan horrorfest. Look at the length of his legacy and its overwhelming, recurrent curse on the world. Generations after generations for 1,400 years have had to bear the brunt of this enslave or kill ideology and we are the latest in history to be threatened by it. When will the free world wake up, see the enemy for what it is, see through the false mask of ‘religion’ and realise that only the strictest segregation will save our civilisation: between the islamic world and the rest of the world. I hope Trump succeeds in his mission to rid his country of muslim infiltration, a far greater threat than Communism or Nazism ever was.
Here, the reality of multiculturalism in Sweden, Paris has been burning this week and its all about to kick off here too.
https://youtu.be/kPtNON6sHXw
http://www.whatfinger.com/single-post/2017/02/18/Blondes-Are-Not-Having-More-Fun-As-Muslims-Rape-and-Rampage-Across-Sweden
Thanks, Anthony – and Gary, my thinking seems to be along the same lines as you both. I have commented on the other topic, The True Cost of EU Migrants, so I won’t repeat my thought here.
I have an interest in UKIP, but I don’t take too much notice of its day to day affairs. I’ve realised that we’ve moved beyond political solutions to this multicultural madness, politicians will always tread the path that leads to maximum votes and don’t care where they come from. Agenda 21, 2030, New World Order, whatever you call it, you need to confront it head on.
If you think this is going to end peacefully, you’re deluding yourselves. You’ve been sold out, the quality of your lives has been deteriorating for many years and your politicians aren’t listening, just fobbing you off.
If you’ve any sense you’ll all try and prepare yourselves for the fight that is to come, things are coming to a head very quickly now. Relying on any politician is only going to lead to the demise of you and your family. I’m sorry to have to write this, but you’re going to have to face reality at some point, whether you like it or not.
Flyer, you are probably right but I imagine it to be extremey difficult to obtain and keep a suitable weapon and sufficient ammunition in the UK unless one inhabits a Muslim ghetto.
The next general election is not far off and I don’t see UKIP being prepared for it, even if they were openly anti-Islam.
So the canonisation bandwagon of Jo Cox, orchestrated by her sanctimonious husband proceeds apace. Jo Cox Memorial Day events this summer and the ususal sentimental guff poured out for nefarious political ends. The intelligence of people who fall for this kind of sickening tripe is in serious doubt. People die every day, a proportion of them murdered in tragic circumstances, but only the deaths of those who have a relative with a drum to bang are fussed over like this. Forgivable in the case of those whose loved ones wish to prevent similar deaths and protect others from suffering. Unforgivable in those with the Leftard agenda of B Cox and his cronies who seem determined to exploit every opportunity and drag out every teardrop from the gullible. And what is their aim? To promote a false idea of ‘everyone is the same really, every culture is equal, diversity is our strength’ and the rest of the PC claptrap that the Left haven’t actually grasped that no one with any awareness of the truth is buying anymore.
It’s obvious they never stop and think about who is really responsible for producing men like Jo Cox’s killer: the doctrinaire Leftards are! They’ve spent decades undermining our country, encouraging millions of foreigners to invade and batten off us, ordered us to like it or be arrested for protesting, ignored our distress and now they try to overturn Brexit.
Pathetic and contemptible.
Panmelia,
I agree there seems to be no bounds on the depravity that Labour will stoop to, they are like vultures picking over a decaying corpse, it is sickening that they manage to drag well meaning people down with them as well.
I am only hoping that tomorrow may be the beginning of the final nails in their coffin, leading to their eventual burial six foot under, with an end to this constant virtue signalling and vile indoctrination of innocent people, whose minds they manage to infiltrate.
Jo Cox was but a servant of the people, tragically murdered. I find distasteful the contrast between this killing and those of other public servants (police, fire and military). “Sainthood” for these fine people is not an option and rightly so. So this is purely a case of left wing exploitation; exploitation of emotion. They have lost all sense of proportion and ironically decency.
In defence of “Asians”, many have integrated perfectly well into British society, adopting our culture and values like natives. I’m thinking particularly of Sikhs, Hindus and others who tend to get unfairly lumped in under the “Asian” banner in discussions around integration and immigration.
It seems to me that the cultural problem we have is not one with Asians, but specifically with Muslims, whether from Asia, Africa or elsewhere. Their religion has elements of supremacy and empire building, and many show no interest whatsoever in leaving behind the regressive culture of their own country in favour of the more liberal, progressive culture of the west. There are those who wish to overturn western culture and replace it with their own. This minority are assisted in their aims by the “moderate” majority, and by the western establishment’s pursuit of multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism is state-sponsored apartheid. Far from producing the mixed culture that it claims, it results in division and hatred. It creates areas that are entirely mono-cultural, living alongside areas with different and often incompatible cultures. This is not a recipe for a happy, peaceful nation.
Multi-ethnicity is fine, even multi-religion is possible once the religions in question have evolved to a certain level of tolerance and understanding. The simple fact is that not all cultures are equally good. Some are better than others. Multi-culturalism is dangerous, destructive and given that the UK and some other European countries are on course to become majority Muslim in this century, is the biggest threat that we face.
We cannot allow the regressive, misogynist, racist, homophobic, anti-democratic elements of Islam to take root in the UK. We have already gone too far down that road, we need to make some tough decisions before it is too late and decide what we stand for. Otherwise, all in the name of “tolerance” the UK will regress to levels of intolerance not seen for centuries, if ever.
Oh right so if you walked around the country and the only white person left was you and the only person of British ancestry was you that would be fine? Provided the rest spoke English etc. Well I suppose it permits belonging to PC society and being respectable. Just.
But it’s a fantasy anyway. Once there are enough they’ll simply readopt their traditional ways. ‘Reverting to type’ as Powell put it. That’s not a perjorative term. It means supporting the core of your existence.
This is an insidious form of fence sitting PC where it seems superficially to support the rights of us to our homeland while opening the gates to our eradication as much as the ‘open borders’ mantra.
I agree with you, Mike. People started worrying a long time ago about how many immigrants were crowding into this country and how it would change the balance and nature of the population. “Oh, fear not, you racists,” squawked the lib/left establishment, “they make up only an infinitesimal percentage of the population and think of the cultural enrichment!” What a bloody insult! Who needs ‘enriching’ with halal meat, forced marriages, ‘honour’ murders and FGM?
That was back in the days when the number of immigrants was a mere trickle compared to the tsunami we have experienced under the pro-EU, anti-British governments of the last 20 years. Now, whole chunks of our country are unrecognisable to native Brits and only a tiny minority, if any, have adopted our culture in preference to their own. We can’t even tell how superficial and expedient this ‘Britishness’ is either.
The time for complacent tolerance is over if we are to retain control of our own country. A whole new approach is needed with no concessions to religious superstition, barbaric cultural practices, alternative laws or courts, or anything that undermines our own superior culture and freedoms. If they want ‘offence’ laws, let’s start making it clear that we’re sick of being offended by the many unBritish sights and demands that assault our sensibilities daily.
I’m quite happy with the idea that being white isn’t a requirement of being British. Being British is a cultural thing, about one’s values and one’s beliefs. Are you suggesting that nobody with brown skin can ever be considered British, regardless of how long they and their antecedents have lived here, or how patriotic they are?
I’m sorry, but that’s textbook racism. Frankly if somebody is born here, accepts and is proud of British values and history, and is in every way indistinguishable in their beliefs from an indigenous Brit except for their skin colour then why have a problem with them for something they have no control over?
It’s about culture, not race. As I said, it’s a simple fact that the UK will become majority Muslim. Even a total halt to Muslim immigration today would not stop that. Islam is a religion, a philosophy, a culture, not a race. So we have a choice; stand up for our values and what we believe in, while we still can, so that the population 50 years hence have the same recognisably British values and freedoms that we do today, or continue on the multicultural, tolerant path that we’re on which will see the UK regress to levels of intolerance, misogyny and all the rest of it seen in other majority Muslim countries.
We must be much more robust in defence of our culture and on what is and isn’t acceptable behaviour while we are still a majority. If we leave it another decade or two, with Muslims already a majority of under 16s in many of our cities, it will be too late.
@ Gary Conway: How DARE you?
“It’s a simple fact that the UK will become majority muslim” ?? WHAT?! NO, it is not a simple fact at all, it’s an unacceptable speculation about a disastrous situation that must be forestalled at all costs, not something we should even think for a second of countenancing.
Not only do we need to stop muslim immigration; it needs to be put into extreme reverse with firm repatriation programmes and the creation of a hostile environment for the pernicious muslim ideology, culture and repression that has been criminally allowed to flourish here WITHOUT the consultation, permission or consent of the British people. They should be made to feel so unwelcome that they will make their own travel arrangements back to wherever they really belong. That includes all the spineless white fools who have converted to islam – let them go and live it to the full in some islamic hellhole. Let the dark-skinned persecuted Christians, atheists and non-believers live in peace here in a civilised, totally non-muslim country. The Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs would rejoice, I assure you. If I were PM, I would set a date for Britain to be a completely non-muslim country: 2025 sounds reasonable.
Which party, which government has ever been democratically elected on a mandate of allowing this country to become a muslim majority in X number of years? NONE. Do you believe in democracy? You infuriate me by making such an horrific statement so casually, and suggesting that all we can do is to mitigate the situation by making sure they all nicely think like US – the future minority in our own country according to you. Why should they if they are the majority? You must be mad to even think it.
To hell with your cliched suggestions of racism. I’m sick of the word, sick of the concept, sick of Leftards using it as an excuse to excuse everything that undermines our own people and their ownership of the land they sweated blood and tears for. There is only one ‘race’ in the world I care about and that is my own people, the English, the Scots, the Welsh and the Northern Irish Loyalists: the British people. We are being painted into a corner by out-and out traitors and racists who wish to see the end of us, painted out of history, exiled from our own historic land.
Never, Never, Never! as Paisley used to roar. Unfortunately, he weakened with old age and sat down with terrorists. None of us in UKIP must ever weaken and trot out sentences such as the one you wrote.
Making heinous ‘matter-of-fact’ statements like yours is a shameful betrayal of every man and woman who fought and died in every war in our history fought to preserve our country’s heritage and the birthright of future generations.
I appreciate that it sounds shocking, but it is nonetheless a simple, demographic fact that Muslims will be a majority in our cities in the coming decades, and in the country as a whole this century. Already in Birmingham and other big cities, a majority of under 16s are Muslim. Do the maths.
There is nothing that can be practicably done to change that. Even if Muslim immigration was cut to zero tomorrow, something that will never happen, it would only delay the inevitable. Muslim couples have on average 4 or 5 kids. White Brits something like 1.6 kids.
The only “solution” would be the mass deportation of several million Muslims, many of whom were born here. There will never be a UK government with the political will to do this. As we can already see with Labour, they are willing to do whatever it takes to win votes, and Muslims are voters too.
Even if a government were elected to do this, we have enough trouble trying to deport convicted criminals and terrorists, there would be zero chance of deporting millions of people who either came here legally or who were born here and have committed no crime. And remember, it’s not a case of sending people back; in the years to come the majority of Muslims won’t be immigrants.
Like it or not, that’s the reality of the situation.
You mention democracy. What happens in 10 years time when the majority of voters in, say Birmingham, are Muslim? In 20 years when the majority in Leeds, Manchester are Muslim? They will use democratic means to install their preferred system of Sharia law. Through tolerance and democracy we will end up with intolerance and theocracy.
Obviously places like rural Norfolk, Cornwall etc will remain majority white British for some time to come, but the big cities and the country as a whole will not.
Given that we can’t do anything about the numbers of people, we must challenge their beliefs. Our only option is to stand up for our values and beliefs while we are still a majority and integrate Muslims into British culture.
If we continue with multiculturalism – allowing Muslims to have their own values alongside and often contradictory to our own – we will wake up one day in the not too distant future and find a majority holding intolerant, repugnant views and with the democratic power to enforce them on the rest of us.
No it’s not ‘racism’ to seek not be outnumbered and slowly eradicated. You’ve swallowed a tale.
You are confusing two points. Of course an individual can be non-white and British but you can’t have a ‘British’ people any more where we are replaced and cease to exist unless it simply means people living here. It’s known technically as a ‘fallacy of composition’. What applies to the individual does not apply necessarily to the whole. It’s all a question of numbers.
Of course if you are happy to be replaced that’s a position you are entitled to hold but I would have thought your place was in the Labour party. It’s their policy as a principle.
Does Gary Conway honestly believe that Muslims will integrate if pressed to do so? Why should they when they can take the whole pot as they are given time?
Sorry Mike but I believe if we want to save Britain we need to accept, as Gary has said, that there are those who actually wanted our British way of life and can contribute in the future. It is fantasy to think we can get rid of everyone who doesn’t have British ancestry going forward, imho.
BUT we do not have a history of any type of Middle Eastern culture, or African or Asian culture, law and practice. Nor should we have.
I believe that Gary’s last paragraph is crucial to the survival of Britain.
We need a manifesto, and a Leader, that states that with gusto.
NO ACCEPTANCE!! Resistance, fighting back, holding onto OUR country by all and every means possible. Overthrow and expel the alien invader and culture as we did in so many wars. If all those muslim immigrants from 1945 to the present day can make their way into Europe and the UK, they can make their way back again. We need a large reinforced army and Fortress Britain.
Panmelia, we need to get into the realms of reality. I wish it wasnt so. I wish we could undo all that has been done Not in our name or with our consent.
We haven’t got a large reinforced Army, it will take too long to get one. We haven’t got Fortress Britain, and we have very few with either the will or the means to overthrow the invader. We can hope that if Wilders and Le Penn (neither of which are endorsed by our Ukip leadership) get in, the tide may be halted. We can hope that Marine will try and reverse the tide.we can hope for the AfD, and we can laud Orban, and hopefully Trump will be a help – but reversing the damage already done as thoroughly as you want is not possible in the time frame, even if we had a leader like the wonderful Viktor.
What UKIP can and should be doing is what we did about the EU. Say that Sharia must be outlawed, madrassas and Islamic schools closed. Say that it is unacceptable and imrisonable to shout death to our Soldiers, or Police burn in Hell (as happened recently on a Muslim march I think it was in Leeds, it’s all over the Internet). Insist that there ARE no-go areas and child grooming gangs and these are unacceptable. But also say that we want Muslim women to be free, in Britain, as they should be, and the burka is against our values…. I could go on but Viv will have my guts for garters! You get my drift.
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Of course there are those but how many can there be before ‘contributing to the future’ is simply replacing us? What future do we then have? And politicians will tell you that all are contributing to the future already so where is the problem!
We are not talking about minorities any more here. We are talking majorities already outnumbering us in many areas and with their own group interests which will grow with a sniff of power. Why would they relinquish that?
It’s baying at the moon to think a new majority will look after you. It would be a step forward sure to proclaim the supremacy of British ways but it’s all gone too far demographically for that on it’s own to save us. People simply don’t want to face it and I see why. If a few proclamations would do the job it would be wonderful. Twenty years ago maybe.
I hope it may come to pass, Mike, that we can deport so called British people who were born here and who do not identfy as British, but it isn’t going to happen in the immediate future as we are stuck with a Tory Government in the ascendancy. So the best thing we can do NOW is to try and dismantle the system that is encouraging Muslims – one way is a 2 children only benefit. Another, that Muslims not in work, men and women must learn English and only go a given time before they actually do some work, any work that needs doing, so that they must mix and women go out. Obviously outlaw Sharia, close Muslim schools unless they have 50/50 mix – we aren’t going to be able to DO these things but we certainly do not believe that must SAY them loudly all the time and while there is time for these things to resonate with Brits, get voted for and force the Tories to address this. It is the only realistic way forward for now imho.
I certainly do not believe that we will ever be safe with Muslims here, but we can make it uncomfortable for them, which it isn’t now, we can shine the spotlight on it all – we would be supported by everyone who isn’t Muslim or left, because all are aware of the threat.
I don’t believe there is any other realistic way forward, and it may come down to fighting in the end – but at least people will be more aware and prepared than they are now, if we keep harping on. That should be what UKIP does now, its raison d’etre. Your aims and wishes are those of us all, but they are unachievable in Britain, given our current Political system, imho – I only wish they were.
The last thing is give Anne-Marie Waters this brief….in my flaming dreams.
Sorry for some garbled typos, but my cursor has stopped working so difficult!
Yes, indeed!
Gary, I don’t know where you are from but anyone from the former cotton towns of Lancashire, the woollen towns of West Yorkshire and many other towns in the UK will tell you that Islam has already taken root there.
The only way to avoid civli war when they reach critical mass is to deport them now. That requires many more military personnel than we have now.
Hear, hear, Jack. We need to recruit and at least quadruple the manpower of our armed forces to protect us HERE in our own country, where careless, corrupt and treacherous politicians have allowed the enemy within to congregate for years. I’d rather see our soldiers on the streets with guns than murderous muslims preaching death to unbelievers. We coiuld send them all scurrying off to where they belong if we showed sufficient force. It is up to the people to say what we want, not bow down to ‘inevitability’ and ‘acceptance’.
Yes Tony and it’s disappointing that organisations like Help for Heroes think they have to jump on this PC bandwagon.
All the more reason to think that it’s immigration that is our most pressing problem and that all our policies should be geared to getting us into power so we can stop it, because nobody else will, certainly not the Tories.
We are already demonized to hell by the corrupt élite Establishment just for having a policy of ‘Australian points based system’ – which in my view may work for Australia with its comparatively small population and comparatively HUGE landmass.
However it does not work for us, now, in our current situation of being the most overcrowded major country in Europe ( and by a long way ).
What we need is a policy of ‘Complete ( or very nearly so ) Moratorium on ALL new Immigration from whatever country for a period of five years whilst we attempt to alleviate the housing shortage.’.
I believe not only that this is the policy which the UK requires in its best interests, but also that it gives UKIP an unique selling point for the Electorate.
http://www.ffl.org.uk
http://www.rhys4nec.co.uk
The help for heroes obviously does good work and is well intentioned but just because a soldier get injured or killed doesn’t make him/her a hero. Here in Dorset we have an organisation called care for casualties which is to me a proper name and has my preferential support.
By the way, thanks for your efforts on the campaign and door-knocking campaign.