In the first of today’s letters, Mick McGough NEC points to one important aspect of the possible outcome of the EGM should the vote be for Bolton, who needs to answer the question Mick asks:
Sir,
If the elected NEC are successful at the AGM then Henry will be immediately removed.
However if Henry is confirmed as leader the whole of the NEC are sacked requiring a new election for the whole NEC. There is provision for current members of the NEC to remain in post until the election for the new NEC, where they may be candidates – but who will stay on with Henry in situ, certainly not me!
Henry must be asked how he’ll manage the depleted party whilst maintaining compliance with company and electoral law? That assumes he has more knowledge of the law than he does of the Constitution.
Respectfully Mick McGough, NEC
Next, Mark Childs (UKIP Rugby branch Chairman) sent us this letter with a request for publication:
Sir,
would you be so kind and publish the letter below which I sent to my Branch and Regional Chairman in defence of our Leader and to speak out against the corruption within UKIP. It is dated Jan 21st, after the NEC meeting:
Dearest members, today we have seen our NEC (our governing board, who are suppose to operate in the best interest of the party and members). Today however has proven that they no longer serve the best interests of the members or represent the party. They have voted for a vote of no confidence in our Leader. This will not only damage our party further but allow the corrupt to regain control. This can’t be allowed to happen.
We have a opportunity to overthrown this decisions where I believe we should vote for a definite vote of confidence in Henry Bolton our Leader. If we don’t the corrupt will regain control and ruin our party. Why do you think what would of been a storm in a teacup in his personal life(which would of quickly blew out) has been manipulated by certain individuals? These self serving people with their own agenda they dont stand for the good of the party and members. I know much of what has gone on and saw an attack on our Leader coming. What will you do will you allow this corrupt plot to succeed or will you fight for the survival of our party.
We can’t even afford an AGM let alone another leadership or have the stomach for it. Also as much as I worship Nigel if there is UKIP 2.0 and he does come back as promised many times before. It will fail. Only a United UKIP can and will save our nation and people.
So what will you do, will you stand by me and our Party, or will you let the corrupt ruin us?
Let’s be clear the NEC members should all now be silent and should in no way try to sway the members to remove Henry. I know why the majority want him gone because they are puppets of the corrupt. The few decent ones believe they are serving the best interests of the members and the party. But they are not. If the NEC try to influence this then they will be overthrown by the membership. They have already gone dangerously beyond the party constitution. YOURS SINCERELY, MARK CHILDS.”
With thanks,
Respectfully, Mark Childs, UKIP Rugby Branch chairman.
Finally, a more general appeal to Kippers in these turbulent times. It’s from our reader Kim Gavin:
Dear Kippers
When all the dust settles over the HB disaster, and it will, there will surely be some serious thought given to regaining UKIP’s image with the electorate. ‘Regaining’, because UKIP was once considered an alternative to the corrupt and treacherous political parties. That Referendum vote was in many peoples’ mind as important as any GE. Little did we realise that UKIP would be bankrupt of leadership and inspiration as soon as the Referendum was over and won.
When a political party wins an election it is as if the start pistol fires and the gears change as full throttle is applied. That is how it should be.
What happened? The failures were there before HB and unless those failures are understood then UKIP will only recover to the position of those pre-HB days.
It is in everyone’s interest that UKIP continues as a credible alternative in British Politics. No, it is essential!
It is many peoples’ opinion, that UKIP was not looking at all the concerns of the electorate, but were the epitome of a ‘one issue party’ the EU. Some of you can argue and deny that point until you are blue in the face but that is how it is and, how many voters perceived you. When this has been brought up before, and the answer is often ‘Ok then, the EU and Islam’ or ‘EU and cultural Marxism’
That will just not do! To be fair they may be some truth in there being two areas of policy, but they should be much wider in their scope, such as, Political Ideologies and Religious Ideologies. These ideologies are defensive, aggressive, possessive and downright corrupt. Their purpose is to gain power for the few, through control and manipulation, and they are not shy to lie and cheat to get what they want.
Ask yourselves who practices Male Genital Mutilation, or who forbids the use of contraceptives or who demands celibacy by its representatives. Some are more benign than others and likely to adapt and survive. Remember, Christianity has also been forced to except worthy secular laws and is still struggling with simple concepts of equality and discrimination. It is men and women who have the inherent ability to be good and who have the inherent desire for self-determination and freedom. It is not the ideologies that have provided that ability or have allowed those aspirations to be fulfilled.
Ask yourself why the scare of AMW or the phenomenon of political correctness. You can follow the money, follow the power, and follow the corruption, follow anything you want to follow, but look at the bigger picture not the simplistic symptoms.
So when you start cherry picking what UKIP can stand for, perhaps you should consider standing for everything that gives the common man and woman a chance of Liberty and Freedom and as close as they can get to Democracy. Extol Love and Respect, give the electorate a dream and a future. Then make your lists.
Regards, Kim Gavin
A video summary of the NEC’s VONC decision. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=878725318971771&id=491463797697927
My words were carefully chosen and to the best of my ability. That also included the anacronym I used, which was AGW or Anthropogenic Global Warming. It is a serious error in publishing for me to see.
As for the issue raise in comment about religion. We can expect angry repudiation when this matter is raised. There has always been suffering in human history, it is an integral part of our history. Whenever people try to break free of the hold certain Ideologies have on us they incite hatred fear and guilt. My letter does not attack morality and I have personally high moral values but the time is fast coming when the crutches of Religeous Ideologies need to be kicked away, to allow us to move forward as a good society.
Christianity has the concept of separation of church and State:
“Matthew 22:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.”
There is no such concept of separation of religion from the state in Islam. Islam has the appearance of a religion, however it is also a legal system and a political ideology.
Unfortunately the European Convention on Human Rights protects Islam, because Islam has the appearance of a religion, and the ECHR protects religions. Without at the same time questioning the features of that religion.
If we are to save ourselves from a life as Dhimmis in the future, we must reject the ECHR. To do that we have to get out of the EU. It seems not to be an accident that Merkel is allowing Islam to thrive in Germany. Does she really still believe in Communism and hence the destruction of Democracy? Using Islam as the tool to do so.
Is Bolton going to speak out against the death penalty for adulterers under Sharia law? Or is he still of the opinion that UKIP members concerned about Islam are Nazi infiltrators?
Thank you Hugo for your response. The Church of Ireland was disestablished in 1869. The church in Wales was disestablished in 1920. The Church in Scotland was disestablished in 1929. The Church of England has not been disestablished and with members in the House of Lords is very much still a part of the Establishment.
I have no axe to grind with Christianity, although many do, and would say that I was brought up as a Christian. There is no doubt that Christianity has played an invaluable part in shaping our country. Our psyche is based in the Christian religion our language supported by The Book of Common Prayer. The saviour of education the motivation of good and philanthropic deeds. The list goes on. So please do not think that I am someone with a chip on their shoulder.
My problem is with maintaining and moving forward with our civilisation. We cannot be hypocrites. So when we apply the principle of anti-discrimination, then ‘one law for all’ means exactly that. When I consider the words of Rowen Williams and Justin Welby then there are problems! These people seem intent on taking political stands with views of dubious standard. Very many only take Christianity as a given and with a pinch of salt, but we should not be subjected to this ‘background guilt’ any more than we should be subjected to the archaic rule book of Sharia.
So you see I believe in freedom of religion, no discrimination but most strictly One Law for All. This policy will achieve your ambitions and leave all to pursue their lives without Religious Ideology if they wish to do so.
Mr Childs
You asked to have your letter published, and it was, despite including accusations without any evidence to support them, and insulting the members who believe that ‘the Great leader’ – Kim Il-Bolton should go.
Nice work!
Clearly you are a very effective communicator, and persuader of considerable talents…( i wonder what state UKIP Rugby is in with yourself at the helm?)
The party can change its leaders- not ideal – but essential, AND then democratise the NEC – it’s NOT an either OR decision.
‘St Nigel’ is pulling HB’s strings to get ‘even’ with the NEC, he made that clear on his recent LBC show.
May i respectfully propose that you and Mr Allen and anyone else that supports HB, if he is removed, resign from the party with immediate effect, and go join him in his new HB (‘Humping Bimbos’)party. I’m sure there will be positions galore with massive ego-stroking job titles for you intellectual heavyweights, as the membership figures will be like the crew of the Mary Celeste.
You and Mr Allen could even have your AGM in a lap dancing club, that should ensure HB’s attendance.
Onwards to Victory – Heil Henry!!
hoho
C’n M,
Hee, Hee!
Apart from one comment from Stout Yeoman, made on Wednesday 24th, in which, speaking of the purpose of UKIP, he said,
‘Leaving the EU was merely a necessary first step to fulfil its broader mission…[which is to create] a Britain that “strengthens and guarantees the essential, traditional freedoms and liberties of all people in the United Kingdom”…. UKIP’s deeper purpose… the one party that could represent people who want to get out from under the stifling grip of big government, political correctness, and to resist being mere vassals of an elite….’apart from this the comments so far reveal a frightening ignorance of the true state of Britain, which has nothing to do with economy but everything to do with World Views, ideologies and dare I say religious belief.
To ignore the power of ideas and ideologies is fatal. It was ideology that created Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany and it a belief system or ideology which is moving Britain rapidly towards anarchy and being a failed state.
Those of us who have a memory of life sixty years ago would never have dreamed that Britain would have slid into the degree of moral anarchy that we see all around us, resulting in the dismemberment of marriage and the family; the murder of nine million babies in the womb through abortion; the spread of AIDS and HIV, principally amongst the gay community; rampant drug addiction; widespread mental illness and suicide; a breakdown in discipline in schools; millions of children either being sexually abused or abusing other children; hundreds of children wrenched from their parents, put into social care, and sold off through the adoption agencies to queers; sex trafficking; paedophilia; satanic ritual abuse; a rocketing violent crime rate; a fundamental breakdown in societal trust and loyalty; a prison population that is the largest in Europe; and overarching all these the threat of Islam bringing in Shariah Law and creating a Caliphate. Behind all this are the cultural Marxists who – using primarily radical cultural terrorism feminists, homosexuals, and Muslims – are determined to destroy marriage, the family, the church and our sovereign nation under God.
Ever since, 1967, fifty years ago, Roy Jenkins, bisexual, serial adulterer, and Home Secretary, (along with his male lover, Tony Crossland) rejected Britain’s Christian foundations and replaced them with the idolatry of secular humanism and now open paganism, Britain has closely followed the script of Romans 1 which starkly describes what happens when a nation is given over to homosexuality and the cascade of pathologies that result from it.
Such a shame having to restrict himself to one wife at a time, all much simpler for ‘enery once sharia comes.
C ‘n’ M,
Perhaps that is why he is doing what he is doing, he may be converting to Islam soon, it also explains why he was so against AMW’s maybe.
A shoddy imposter!
No, not Mannerin’, I mean the “leg over” chap.
Dear David (Skinner),
You have crammed a huge amount of content into 421 words.
I think your posting deserves a thread to itself and I hope that that can be arranged.
Regards, Toby, 01932-873557
I agree with every word David.We are living in Perilous Times.2 Timothy chapter 3 Verses 1-9.
Don’t drag pagans into your argument. Most of us are perfectly normal, respectable people who believe fiercely in our country and most certainly are not involved in any kind of dubious behaviour so please do not involve us in your rather vacuous arguments.
What’s going on in Thurrock?
http://www.westmonster.com/17-essex-councillors-leave-ukip-to-form-new-independent-group/
What’s happening is that floods start with leaks
Sean,
They have had enough.
I don’t propose to challenge the vague and unsubstantiated allegations of ‘corruption’ which Mr Childs levels against the NEC – though they are deeply insulting and unwarranted – but the idea that the NEC have gone ‘dangerously beyond the constitution’ is patent nonsense. The NEC has scrupulously followed the constitution, as always, as it is aware that the constitution is the legal basis of the party and any failure to do so renders it open to legal challenge.
Mr Childs is off his meds again, problem easily solved with a branch EGM
A WTF moment!
“would you be so kind and publish the letter below which I sent to my Branch and Regional Chairman in defence of our Leader ..
‘Dearest members, today .. [long letter] ..
YOURS SINCERELY, MARK CHILDS.’
With thanks, Respectfully, Mark Childs, UKIP Rugby Branch chairman.”
I pinched myself twice, read it thrice, and it’s still nonsense.
Mark Childs is sending us a letter he says was written by Mark Childs to his branch chairman but the same Mark Childs signed the covering letter as a branch chairman!!
If Childs doesn’t even know that he’s his own branch’s chairman I don’t think we need to listen to anything else he’s rabbiting on about.
Whatever Childs says, do the opposite.
Whilst I do not agree with what Mark Child’s is saying, the way I read it is that he sent the letter to his branch, hence Dear Members (the ‘Dear Members’ being members of his branch).
He also wrote to his Regional Chairman.
He asked UkipDaily to publish it – effectively it’s a cc to people on here.
It might have been more sensible if he’d said he’d sent it to his Branch Members and Regional Chairman – it would have, at least, been clearer that way.
Regards.
Maybe but advice still stands, whatever Childs suggests, do the opposite, the letter’s a bloody cheek.
David Allen stood for the leadership, withdrew and was rewarded with a ‘cabinet position’ despite few having heard of him.He is supporting Henry because he wishes to keep his position , one that few others would give him. Like Henry he is a small man.
“Like Henry he is a smart man.”
First time I read that I had to pinch myself.
Is the madness contagious, I asked?
Then I read what you actually wrote
“Like Henry he is a small man.”
I’m not the only sane one left.
Mick,
That is what I have said.
Can we arrange for Carswell to come back and replace Henry, he did less damage!
I wrote to Dougie asking him how much he would charge for ruining UKIP, given what Henry’s costing a month, it would be cheaper.
Cap’n Mannering,
Quick get him back he would be worth every penny, plus Nigel hates him, then make Neil Hamilton Deputy, what a dream team, Nigel would go apopletic!
Dear Donald Duck,
A brilliant point succinctly made. As for the other comments I’ve read so far, the weird, strange and deluded seem to be everywhere this morning. Is there a full moon I wonder? Their comments don’t merit a reply.
Beverly,
Thank you,
I am not sure about the others, I think they may be punch drunk.
So that would make Henry Lord Charles? ?
No, Ray Alan (dec’d 2010) isn’t Nigel Farage (dec’d 2016).
Dear Mark,
Almost 90% of emails to the office, MEPs, AMs & the NEC regarding Bolton want him gone. Therefore, the NEC are representing what appears to be the bulk of the membership.
We’re in the mess we’re not because of the NEC but because of Bolton’s actions as leader i.e. poor self awareness, judgement, discipline, political nous & probity. If he, or a confidente had spent 30mins on Dec 16th checking out Ms Marney’s social media then he would have realised she was toxic. At last Sunday’s meeting he was asked that knowing what he knows now about her would he have started a relationship with her on Dec 16th. No was his answer. That is very telling. He could have saved us all from the mess we’re in has he deployed the skills needed of a leader that day.
After James & Nuttall he had to be bulletproof, beyond reproach – he’s failed and is now IMO taking the party down with him.
So you think, on the basis of emails, that “almost 90%” of members are agin ‘enery?
Most of the remaining 10% are so furious they can’t even write an email! They’re hunting for their pikes!
Very well said John. Bolton won’t succeed in taking the Party down with him. Belief in the UKIP cause is still alive and well amongst ordinary decent people, many of whom are simply bewildered by what is going on. The Bolton Fiasco needs to be brought to an end as quickly as possible, and measures put in place to ensure that such a thing can never happen again. I have some ideas to put forward, once this nightmare is over.
“Let’s be clear the NEC members should all now be silent…. If the NEC try to influence this then they will be overthrown by the membership.” Do you mean we should follow Bolton’s example of not trying to sway members? It’s OK to state commercially and politically sensitive information in public about the amount of losses? By telling the public of plots and coups? This is not undermining the public’s trust in UKIP? It is Bolton pursuing this in the media not the NEC.
“I know why the majority want him gone because they are puppets of the corrupt”. It looked to me that those who swallowed the anti-NEC line were the puppets. But you tell me that I am a puppet of the corrupt. Thank you. Such a persuasive argument. Where would be without such insightful guidance?
SY,
I thought exactly the same as you.
Mark
You sign off as chairman of a branch – have you consulted your membership or are you simply giving us your personal opinion?
May I respectfully say that I do not share your sense of fair play and justice if, as you suggest in your missive, one party (Henry) is allowed to defend his position whilst the other (the NEC) is to remain silent.
I bitterly regret voting for Henry Bolton for the reasons as perfectly outlined by Beverly Roberts UKIP Secretary Berkshire.
http://www.ukipdaily.com/open-letter-nec-2/
I’ve spoken to two in the Rugby branch already, Childs has no support.
One of them now knows how to call a branch EGM, clearly time has come for Rugby to change its chairman.
Question: If Bolton were to lose would he likely be expelled from the party?
If the Constitution states that you can be expelled for bringing the Party into disrepute then surely he must be ( following due process of course ).
But hopefully once his removal as ‘Leader ‘ is confirmed at the EGM he will sling his hook and beg for readmission to the Libs.
rhys burriss
Rhys,
Do you really think the Lib Dums would have him back? Oh, wait he would make a damn good leader for them, Vince had better watch out and keep an eye on his wife, no woman is safe with our ‘*umping *enry’ on the loose.
Given how effective he has been at damaging UKIP, I increasingly wonder if he ever left them.
“Dangerously beyond the party constitution”, Mark? How…
Mark, mark, the dogs do bark!
Don’t need to pay any heed to the Childs.
Mick: there were 95 or so candidates last time. If all the sitting NEC were to resign, he might manage to find placemen to move up from that list until the required elections can be held three months later.
They could do a lot of damage to the rules in that time, and even promote a constitution Henry might have hidden up his sleeve in case of a rainy day…
The only way that could happen is if HB survived the EGM and all members of the NEC then resigned. If they don’t resign, the constitution demands that ‘elections shall be held in respect of each of the elected seats on the NEC and Until such time as those elections are held the NEC elected members shall remain in office until their successors are elected.’
So, if the EGM goes HB’s way, members of the NEC must stay in post until there’s a new NEC election. There doesn’t seem to be anything in the constitution to stop current NEC members standing for re-election.
Dear Debbie,
Let’s stay focussed on what the EGM is all about i.e. Bolton’s suitability to be Leader. The NEC ‘stuff’ is a deliberate distraction by Camp Bolton to save his skin. The NEC, with Bolton’s support is already in the process of reforming/updating the constitution.
Agreed, John, but Mick seemed to be suggesting he would resign nec if Henry stays?
‘With Bolton’s support’ ?
I thought you said previously that you were all waiting with baited breath for HB’s proposals but that none were forthcoming ??
Seems to be a lot of conflicting information flying about!?!
Regards
John as I posted yesterday I believe that this sorry episode in our party’s history has brought the NEC and members together. You in particular have been active here with posts that have kept us well informed.
I hope of course that Bolton will resign before the EGM but if not I am sure that there will be enough members to support the NEC.
Gerard Batten will in my opinion make an excellent Interim Leader. Is it possible for the NEC to appoint the Interim Leader at the EGM? If so and Gerard were present to address us I believe that would be the perfect end to this episode.
Maybe so John, but in a game of chess like this, one has to think several moves ahead.
If HB by some malign miracle wins the EGM vote it’s all over anyway.
I for one ( and you know how much time, energy and even money I have willingly given to the Party since 2013 ) will not be able to continue in the Party and will instead devote energies to the excellent MVM Make Votes Matter campaign.
https://www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/
Gerard doesn’t mention Fair Votes in his Manifesto today ~ which is a glaring omission in my view.
I hope he will remedy that as one of the issues he needs to major on once confirmed as Interim Leader.
I WISH gerard would start campaigning on his issues NOW, otherwise the membership generally simply may not realize that there is a (much much better ! ) alternative to continuing with the grotesque mountebank.
http://www.ukipdaily.com/essential-policies-new-leader-adopt/
we already know HB has a new constitution in mind. David Allen has written it for him.
Rabbit,
Nothing David Allen writes makes sense, so in a way what you say does make sense, if you see what I mean. I think it is more likely to be a combination of Farage and Banks, who really seem to want to dominate this party.
Not sure where David Allen fits in, he might just be a friend of Henry and has been promised some position after all this blows over, however, he is adamant that he puts party first, just like our ‘enry it would seem.
Beware of small ambitious men I say, (they are all on the short side),
Just like Napoleon, I seem to recall that Gerard is quite tall but not as tall as Donald, who seems to tower over everyone else in more ways than one.
David Allen wrote a constitution? You must be having a larf. David couldn’t write his own name.