Today’s letters are all addressed to our new leader Henry Bolton. The first is from the Chairman of the UKIP Surrey Committee, Helena Windsor:
Dear Henry,
As you appoint your new team, I am sure you are aware that many UKIP members were seeking a leader who was, so to speak, untainted with the failures and mistakes of the last eighteen months. The results of the contest bore that out.
Surrey members have been in despair at the lack of direction, poor strategies – which played straight into our enemies’ arms and the corruption and cronyism among the hierarchy. Surrey Committee had the honour of hosting the official SE Hustings, you may remember that the team member representing John Rees Evans, unfortunately, stirred up the hostilities over attitudes held by those candidates who were committed Christians. Just for the record, I am not a Christian and I am not in any way opposed to gay marriage, given my age however, I was brought up in what was unequivocally still a Christian country, with Christian values. These are now threatened as never before – not by other faiths, by the Establishment, infested as it is with the steady creep of Cultural Marxism.
UKIP must be the party of free speech, no other mainstream political party in the UK is prepared, or able, due to its own infiltration, to challenge the current status quo. Free speech, like charity, begins at home, in the heart of our party. The party of free speech is big enough to accommodate those who believe marriage is between a man and a woman and those who accept it can be between two people of the same sex. The leader of UKIP cannot have restrictions placed on his team from those within. We in Surrey urge you to pick the best man or woman for the job.
Many of us have come to fully appreciate the damage to the very fabric of society, here and across the globe that has been deliberately and intentionally done by those promulgating the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism. Both Stephen Crowther and David Kurten raised this in their conference speeches, David giving a graphic description of the depths to which academia has sunk. My husband has grandchildren at University, our daughters are already corrupted, our son, who hated school and served our country as an armourer in REME has, so far, escaped. No doubt, in your career, you have come across those ‘trained’ by the so called charity ‘Common Purpose’. If we want to take back control, if we want our country back, Brexit is only part of the answer; without exposing and fighting back against the deliberate destruction of British values and the incessant Orwellian doublespeak spouted by our Establishment elite and their Common Purpose trained lackeys we will never be a free nation. We urge you to make UKIP the party of free speech and work with members like David Kurten, who understand the mechanisms behind its erosion.
Finally – UKIP has a leader with an unparalleled knowledge of EU defence policy. Veterans for Britain are warning that the UK will be asked to participate in military PESCO next week, we urge you to put that expertise to use and put out a press release on UKIP’s position without delay.
Respectfully, Helena Windsor, Chairman UKIP Surrey Committee
The next letter – which was simultaneously submitted to ‘kipper central’ and has been published there as well – is by Alan Craig who was David Kurten’s campaign manager:
Dear Henry,
I write as David Kurten’s campaign manager during the leadership election to ask that you fulfil your election pledge and appoint David as deputy leader of UKIP.
I have heard increasingly over the past few days that you have decided not to do so because some members LGBT in UKIP have threatened to leave the party if you do.
IMO to not appoint David as your deputy would be a game-changing mistake:
- It is never a good leadership to give in to blackmail, especially when – as in this case – it would involve breaking your word to do so and you are the recently-elected leader who necessarily has yet to establish yourself as the strong leader of integrity that is required.
- As you will have seen at the Torquay conference if you sat in on his speeches, David is now widely (even wildly) popular amongst members and his socially conservative views, including about traditional versus gay marriage, are representative of the ordinary membership and received an outstanding response and standing ovation. Many of these supporters now firmly expect you to appoint David as your deputy because of your pledge. Others who could not decide between you and David voted for you because your pledge meant that they would get “two for the price of one” as someone said.
- The LGBT in UKIP group are no friends of yours. Following your election, one of their leaders tweeted that the wrong person had been elected and that therefore he would cease working for the party; and that, further, if you appointed David as your deputy he would immediately leave the party.
Henry, I strongly urge you at this early stage in your leadership to show yourself a man of your word; as you promised, appoint David as your deputy.
With warm regards, Alan Craig
Finally, the following letter is from the UKIP South Wales East Branch, calling for a proper vote of all members on the new logo:
Dear Henry,
On 12th October 2017 at a meeting of the UKIP South Wales East Branch, which covers 8 constituencies, we discussed the matters set out below:
1) How the Party Conference was duped
At the Party Conference on 29th September 2017 the Interim Leader Steve Crowther introduced 2 alternative new Logos, and spoke at length in favour of rebranding the party. The members present were asked to choose between the 2 alternatives, and they chose the lion logo by a majority of 400+ over 100+.
The established and proven Sun/Pound/UKIP logo was not allowed to be voted upon.
No one was allowed to speak in favour of retaining it.
So the choice between the Lion and the Sun/Pound/UKIP logo was never made.
Moreover tens of thousands of UKIP members, who could not afford the time or money to attend the conference were deprived of any say in the matter.
The Party members have not rejected the Sun/Pound/UKIP logo.
The Interim Leader, by a procedural device, has deprived us of our best asset.
Let us remind ourselves of the merits of the Sun/Pound/UKIP Logo.
The Pound sign reminds us to defend our separate currency, and more importantly it allows the abstract concept of Sovereignty to be reproduced as a simple sign which anyone can draw in 10 seconds.
The Lion stands for Peugeot cars, Vauxhall cars, the Freedom Association, the Football Association, chocolate bars
and anything else you want to sell. But the Lion Logo needs an artist to draw it! It cannot be drawn by anyone in 10 seconds. It is far too complicated.
The colour yellow is by far the best campaigning colour because it demands attention.
As the colour of the sun it stands for warmth, growth and life itself.
When used for life jackets it stands for buoyancy and survival.
It protects construction workers.
White has none of these properties. It is dead and meaningless.
So the Lion on white Logo lacks visual carrying power.
2) What is a Logo?
The Sun/Pound/UKIP logo fulfils the definition of a logogram according to the Shorter Oxford Dictionary:
“A symbol or device designed to represent in simple graphic form an object, concept or attitude; an organisation’s emblem or badge, a logotype”
The letters UKIP are integrated into the Pound sign, and then silhouetted against the Sun to form a whole which carries the concepts of independence, sovereignty, growth and life.
The new lion “logo” fails to do this.
The words appear alongside the picture of the lion.
You could keep the words and change the lion for a unicorn, a golden eagle, or some other noble device.
Or you could keep the lion and change the words for selling cars, or chocolate bars, or double glazing.
Because the words and the picture are not inextricably bound together, and because there is no simple graphic form the new device fails as a meaningful logo.
3) The best political Logo
The happy combination of the Pound sign and UKIP silhouetted against the Sun gave us the 10th most recognisable logo – up there with Rolls Royce and MacDonalds.
It far outstrips the Labour logo (less than 80th) and the Conservative logo (less than 90th).
Can anyone imagine Rolls Royce throwing away their RR logo ?
But that is what the Interim Leader has done to our Sun/Pound/UKIP Logo. And he did it by a procedural trick.
We therefore overwhelmingly resolved:
that all members of UKIP be allowed to vote, under a fair procedure, to retain the Sun/Pound/UKIP Logo or not.
Respectfully, Founder Member Hugh Moelwyn Hughes,
UKIP South Wales East
We want our Sun/£ Logo back!
We want our Sun/£ Logo Back!
We want our Sun/£ Logo back!
This is no time to be dumping our much loved and now famous and easily recognizable Logo.Let the Grass Roots vote.
More funds for the Police to fight fraud
I am a Christian but to be honest I’m not a big fan of organised religion. I don’t require a priest to tell me what God thinks.
However, if we want the Muslim faith to bring itself up to date, be suitable for a modern western civilisation, surely we must encourage Christians to do the same thing. This would have been unthinkable even a couple of hundred years ago. Thankfully most of us no longer feel obliged to persecute co-religionists who disagree with our doctrine.
The mere fact that you think the Muslim faith can “bring itself up to date” shows how little you know about it.
Bringing itself up to date means innovation, bid’ah. Bid’ah has been haram since they anathematised the last of their scientists in the 1100s.
There is a lot of speculation surrounding LGBT* and what we have supposed to have done.
Here we address the speculation and correct a lot of what is being said about us
https://lgbtinukip.com/2017/10/16/reply-to-speculation-regarding-lgbt-in-ukip-and-the-appointment-of-deputy-leader/amp/
I’m sorry to read that post. It does seem to corroborate what Alan Craig wrote.
I’ve read that statement you linked to, and have one question. You write:
“Others on the list included some at senior level within the party.”
Those ‘some at the senior level of the Party’ would not by any chance include Suzanne Evans, who has been ‘campaigning’ against David Kurten ever since he got selected for a list place on the London AM election list, depriving her of a place she thought was hers by right? The Suzanne Evans who was quoted in ‘Pink News’ denigrating David Kurten?
Is that one of those ‘senior’ Party members whose word we should accept?
Lets get ALL this nonsense in perspective, starting at the top.
Crowther/Oakden/Bolton(Nigels puppet)/ The NEC, are equally culpable of being disengenuous to the people that truly matter– The Members.
Leadership Elections, Logo’s,motions passed at Conference with no action. Fools we are treated as, but fools we are not.
They say suicide is painless, right now I’m feeling pain, I am not for being killed off by ANY jumped up twerp like tose mentioned above.
The £ sign logo may well be 10th most recognised logo but to me it appeared cheap. As Brand said it is the poundland sign. I do like the lion logo but we need to keep our colours of purple ,yellow, possibly on a gold background.
As for his team, two have already left for pastures new suggesting perhaps they weren’t true Kippers, I think maybe Kurten should be included in the team. I also suggest, and I will be shouted down I’m sure, that overtures should be made to bring Woolfe and James back into the fold
You write: “as for his team, two have already left for pastures new suggesting perhaps they weren’t true Kippers” – fascinating. I wonder, has it occurred to whoever told you this, and to your own self, that, since there hasn’t been a ‘team’ announced, these were probably from his campaign team and, like a lot of us, were volunteers who now need to earn their own crust of bread again?
Why is it that so many, in their zeal to pull Party and new leader down, come up with the worst possible interpretation of whatever rumour happens to float their way?
I’m disappointed to hear that some UKIP members are, apparently, speaking against David Kurten because of their sexual politics. I trust that Henry Bolton will show the leadership asked for by Alan Craig and several commentators here. I hope he appoints David as his deputy; whoever he chooses, I trust that he will not allow himself to be bullied.
Not exactly sure what Kurten has said that’s upset UKIP LGBT so much.
I quite like the man but the only thing that puts me off a bit is that he appears to be a “fundamental” Christian and I’m sick of fundamentalists of all sorts. No doubt many LGBT people are also Christians but we are in a strange position if we support supercharged members of any religion, it should be a personal matter, followed in private except for special occasions.
The New Testament is perfectly clear about homosexuals: they have “given themselves over to shameful lusts” (Romans 1:25-7) and cannot “inherit the Kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9).
I am not a Christian, nor do I have anything against homosexuality. I just want people who say they are Christians to actually believe and try to implement what it says in the New Testament.
For those interested, I can reccomend this (I read the original version):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dirt-Greed-Sex-Testament-Implications/dp/0800638484
So the pejorative ‘fundamental’ has now been attached to Christians. As far as I can see a fundamental Christian in these enlightened times is simply one who has the guts to admit to being a Christian. I say that, echoing Helena Windsor’s position above, I have no religion but generally Christian ethics. When I was growing up a ‘Christian attitude’ was a phrase for being law abiding, decent and charitable; nowadays, at least in the media, it is traduced and pounced upon as being heinously extreme and hateful. This is, again as Helena says, pure Frankfurt school, and anyone picking it up is doing their work for them, IMHO.
To be far, “fundamentalist” has a long pedigree as a term of abuse against some Christians, notably evangelical Protestants.
I’m a Catholic, and my religion is very important to me (you might say, fundamental). I voted for David Kurten for leader, in part because I liked the socially conservative world view that he articulated, but not on religious grounds. I nonetheless wondered about his religious background, and tried to find out something about that, online, not having any personal knowledge of him. I couldn’t find anything, and conclude that David’s politics, although doubtless informed by his religious views, are far from being narrowly defined by them. I’m pleased by that, and I think that’s reflected in several comments here.
Hugh Moelwyn Jones hasn’t yet realised that the handful of people around the Leader couldn’t care less what he and his members think. Maybe they did when he helped found the party, but they certainly don’t these days.
He can pass motions in his branch, get them passed at Region, even get them voted for overwhelmingly by Conference: it won’t make a scrap of difference. Even Conference resolutions are advisory-only.
The logo has been changed. It stands. We’d all better get used to it.
“But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Flossie”.
Question for Alan Craig – has David Kurten ever been a member of the Christian People’s Alliance that you lead? And why did i get a call from an ex-CPA member encouraging me to vote for DK but making it clear he was just filling in for you until your child is out of their multi-ethnic school and will be less at risk from father being UKIP. Leader?
It says here http://www.cpaparty.net/people.html , that the Christian People’s Alliance is led by a chap called Sid Cordle.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Craig
“Alexander Alan Craig is a British political campaigner who was leader of the Christian Peoples Alliance from 2004 to 2012.”
Dear Hugh (Moelwyn Hughes),
A bit of history …. (IIRC) …..
British Airways changed its tailfins from union jacks to funny patterns … and back again.
Price Waterhouse changed its name to Monday, and back again.
Royal Mail changed its name to Consignia…. and back again.
BP changed its logo from a shield to a flower and spent £100m to get the change into the public mind.
Logos exist, not on paper, but in the public mind.
Some people like the lion, but…. if we have not got £100 million to spend, then we cannot afford to change our logo.
Regards, Toby, 01932-873557
More history, Toby: we didn’t have 100 million when we changed from a red white and blue star (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:UKIP_Logo_(Original).svg) but we survived despite the objections to the change and the new colour…
I had forgotten that logo (perhaps I had never seen it). “Red, white and blue star” sounds great – but the logo was anything but!
There was absolutely no need to change the logo and there is absolutely no benefit to the party in having changed it. But there are many and enormous downsides. Hugh argues beautifully in support of scrapping the rebranding and none of his arguments can be faulted. The so-called rebranding was simply an ego trip for Steve Crowther and a yet further move by him (together with many others) to deliberately damage the party and our brand. If asked to keep the original brand, the vast majority of the members would have voted to keep it, which of course is the reason we were not asked. As a director of the company, Steve Crowther is duty bound (even in law) to promote the interests of the company but he constantly seems to be deliberately doing the very opposite.
I’m afraid you are becoming entangled in an argument about the colour of the stripes on the deckchairs……..
The Party will deserve to lose members if it bows to pressure/blackmail from any group. All are welcome but no person/group should be allowed special treatment or allowed the right to dictate policy or any other matters.
The Conference goody bag contained two designs for a new logo, the lion and something meaningless. I was surprised it was presented in such a way because the question of a new logo was clearly a matter of concern to members who raised it several times during the hustings. HB’s response was that he was happy with the present logo until it was changed by the members, although Peter Whittle appeared to believe it should be changed, and David Kurten said he had chosen his favourite of the two new designs.
In the event, the members weren’t allowed to vote to change the logo: the fairly small percentage of the membership who had the opportunity to vote, did so for the lesser of the two ’evils’ presented to them. The ‘choice’ did not include retaining the existing logo which it seems many would have preferred, but which was removed from the reckoning by our increasingly out-of-touch leadership. The ‘choice’ therefore was Hobson’s!
This may seem unimportant in the scheme of things but it’s a straw in the wind and yet another indication of how the membership as a whole is viewed by the Party’s leadership
Remember the Blue iMac? As Cult of Mac recalls: “Considering how fondly remembered the machine is today, and what an important turning point it represented for Apple, one of the most surprising things about the first iMac is that it received plenty of negative reviews when it first came out.”
Of course some would say that gay marriage is a typical ‘equality = inequality’ product of the Frankfurt School of Cultural Marxism brought about in the same relentless brainwashing way by people high and low. Inversion is the name of their game.
And equally you can invert this and have ‘inequality = equally’.
Lots of fun that they have while seriously turning our societies inside out.
Sorry, that should be ‘inequality = equality’.
I never supposed Peter Whittle, the current deputy leader, would stand aside for David Kurten without some sort of rear-guard action. Whittle’s position is probably anyone but David.
LBGT members, in consort with or on behalf of Peter Whittle, applying pressure to HB would explain the delay in announcing a deputy or other members of a leader’s team. Much may depend on to the extent to which Whittle is supported by Crowther and Oakden (for which read Nigel) et al.
I think if HB reneges on the clear expectation, if not also promise, to appoint David Kurten, then he will be making a huge mistake, one that signals the end of UKIP’s revival.
Next NEC meeting is 28th Oct. Should be interesting.
He already made a huge mistake by joining in with the cry that 20% of voting members are racists and, guess what, nazis…. Some people seem unable to grasp that silence is sometimes the best option. It has the benefit on many occasions of being classier, too.
Camel? It was badgers on Sunday ?
If UKIP is daft enough to bow to threats from LGBT quarters then it will become a lost cause. So they threaten to leave if David Kurten is appointed? Let em go. There are millions more potential members available to replace them. It’s Henry’s choice, but I think DK would be a very good deputy. I would hope he would appoint based on merit, not what the LGBT think.
Well said Chris K
Let the LGBT go the AMW’s party or even the Labour Party – plenty of gender politics there for them to get involved with.
I wholeheartedly agree with the comments above regarding the proposed dud logo.
What next? Change the letters to IPGB – independence party of Great Britain and a camel logo?
The Pound LOGO is instantly recognised and understood as opposed to the children’s crayon drawing of a tree and the red flag with arabic writing on it.
If UKIP is selling off the existing branded goods cheap, I’d like to know.
I am probably not alone.
So recognised and understood that voters are flocking to us in droves. Aren’t they? The new logo is good enough, get over it, there are many more urgent priorities to deal with, including the survival of the party, to name but one.
Exactly right. It may have been a bit of a stitch up but I like it. Anyway it’s hardly the most significant problem we have. As I keep on saying, we are where we are, we needed to live with it and get on with fighting the establishment, not each other.