Today’s letters are asking the same question on the one issue our government, our politicians and, as it now would seem, our own representatives in UKIP are somewhat fearful to take on – with one exception. The first letter is from our reader and contributor Alan Piper:
Sir,
Recently I found myself wondering what %age of the electorate is actually interested in politics? Outside election times I mean. Less than 1 %…? Even if you double that you’re still talking about a very small fraction of thinking voters compared vast tracts of tribal ones.
The latter got excited briefly when the referendum finally reached the starting post in 2016 but remind me, how many years passed with governments promising then reneging on that issue? And reverted to type shortly afterwards.
The reason I raise the question during the leadership campaign is we seem to be in the same place again, but with the issue that is AMW’s specialist subject rather than Nigel’s.
Do we really have to wait another decade or two before anyone takes it on?
And what state will the country be in by then? Borderless? Segregated? Services and British attitudes overwhelmed by sheer weight of foreign invader numbers?
Here on UKIP Daily I’m quite staggered how many voices still imagine that sensible, unprovocative policies and leaders to match are going to make the slightest difference to the UK’s fortunes. UKIP still has in place the organisational nightmare that dragged Farage down and we also still have in place the old main Parties that destroyed us last time out, far more interested in their own agendas, doing their best to drag Brexit down as an aside, and watching our whole way of life go down the tubes with it.
The only “good” news is that most of us will be dead by the time our children come to live with the full ramifications of what our generations achieved. The baby boomers who’ve never actually had to fight for anything.
With that cheerful thought in mind I do wonder what it is that makes our contemporaries so nervous of “blowing the bloody doors off”, politically I mean. Electing AMW. And targeting the one issue that cuts through the rest like a hot knife through butter.
The old saying ‘give an inch, take a mile’ could hardly be more apt. Except the forces of malevolent change are not satisfied with miles now. They’re manipulating the law, have indoctrinated the media, are intimidating growing swathes of the population, happily corrupting elections and will continue unchecked until they are stopped.
It’s going to take an awful lot more than well meant waffle to take this monster on but we sure as hell ain’t going to get anywhere unless the supporters of this Party get behind AMW, her brand of radicalism and everything else she represents.
The electorate didn’t get behind Enoch when it mattered. Are we going to make the same mistake and lack the courage again?
Respectfully, Alan Piper
The second letter, on the same issue, is from our correspondent Cllr Brian Silvester:
Sir,
Labour MP Sarah Champion wrote an article for the Sun. She wrote,“Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls. There. I said it. Does that make me a racist? Or am I just prepared to call out this horrifying problem for what it is?”
A few days later she was forced to resign as Labour’s Equalities Spokesperson .
She said,”I apologise for the offence caused by the extremely poor choice of words in The Sun article.”
The truth of the matter is that she did not make an extremely poor choice of words. Everything she wrote was absolutely correct. It is an horrifying problem and no more so than for the poor, young, vulnerable white girls who are groomed and then raped and abused by mainly Muslim men.
It has been going on for over 30 years.
In August 2014 the Professor Alexis Jay Report concluded that at least 1,400 children in Rotherham, most of them white girls aged 11–15, had been sexually abused between 1997 and 2013 by predominantly British-Pakistani men. The reason it had not come to light much earlier is that far too many in authority were frightened of being called racist.You would have thought that Labour would have learned from this but they haven’t.Three years after the Jay Report a Labour MP is forced to resign and called racist for saying exactly what was said in 2014.
Shamefully the grooming of young girls by Muslim men is still going on in Rotherham and across this country. All the parties who have been in Government over the last 30 years need to hang their heads in shame.
Sadly.thousands of young,mainly working class, girls,have been groomed and abused and the Government, Police and Social Services have failed to stop it. Indeed it goes on to this day.
The only politician who has spoken out on this issue is Anne Marie Waters, the UKIP Leadership contender, who has called for the law to be unapologetically enforced so these girls can be protected.
It is a national disgrace that those in authority are allowing young girls, who we should be protecting, to be abused in this way and nobody seems capable of stopping it. We need new leaders who will protect the British people and, in particular, these young girls.
Respectfully, Cllr Brian Silvester
Finally, just in, here is the latest statement by David Davis, summarised by our Associate Editor Debbie Le May:
Brexit negotiations – ‘flexibility and imagination’
David Davis has spoken at the start of the third round of the Brexit negotiations between the UK and the EU.
At the start of the meeting he said: “Good afternoon. I’m pleased to be back in Brussels for the third round of negotiations.
“We’ve had a busy few weeks. Since the last round of talks, the UK Government has published a large number of papers covering important issues related to our withdrawal, and our vision for the deep and special partnership we want with the European Union in the future.
“They are products of the hard work and detailed thinking that has been going on behind the scenes, not just in last few weeks but in the last 12 months and should form the basis of what I hope will be a constructive week of talks between the European Commission and the United Kingdom.
“For the United Kingdom, the week ahead is about driving forward the technical discussions across all the issues.
“We want to lock in the points where we agree, unpick the areas where we disagree, and make further progress on the whole range of issues. But in order to do that, we’ll require flexibility and imagination from both sides – something I think the Council has asked for on some subjects.
“Our goal remains the same. We want to agree a deal that works in the best interests of both the European Union and the United Kingdom, and people and businesses right across Europe. And we’re ready to roll up our sleeves and get down to work again once more. Thank you.”
(Full text of Government Paper)
Child RAPE
NHS Englandseems to have no idea what is causing the rise in mental health cases in the young people or is it simply that they are not putting two and two together.The situation is now so severe that young people with mental health issues are bed blocking in hospitals because there is nowhere they can be sent for tratment.Cites have the most reported cases with London and the North East topping the NHS league table.It has long been recognised that significant events in young persons life can trigger a mental illness and sexual encounters will figuerhigh on yhe list of significant events. After the reporting of 500 children being raped in an area of Birmingham surly its time to put two and two together. From Nigel Pearson & Peter Heather
What are the chances of and likely outcomes from a party being formed and funded by “Asian males” in the UK?
To quote Alan Piper “They’re manipulating the law, have indoctrinated the media, are intimidating growing swathes of the population, happily corrupting elections and will continue unchecked until they are stopped.”
The domination by the bizarre ideology of postermodernist-Marxism also know by names such as cultural Marxism, social justice, intersectional-feminism etc is an underlying force causing these problems.
This pernicious set of fact denying beliefs makes the tackling of race or religion based crime almost impossible because it splits society by race, religion and other factors and then gives a free pass to members of what it claims are ‘oppressed groups’.
This ideology has helped form laws such as ‘hate speech’ which make it a criminal offence to offend criminals.
If we attack this ideology we will be attract a Trumpian level of abuse, but will also attract hundreds of thousands of supporters, and a flow of financial support too.
Oh dear – I think with one sentence Icini below encapsulates why some people are so against Anne Marie becoming Leader. Icini, and others think that the coming clash of ideology, entheusiastically supported by our Globalist owned MSM and Globalist Governments, not to mention the Trojan Horse leading the way in London, comes down to a ‘reasonable’ response to the problems we face.
Right from when Mohammed ‘converted’ the whole of Medina and onwards through History, that’s what everyone always thought. That approach failed way back then, and it has failed ever since – the ‘reasonable’ Muslim sects are being exterminated with the same enthusiasm as the Kuffar these days – because we now face, world-wide, proponents of the extreme form of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia and Iran, to name just two very different Islamic countries. The take-over is being hastened by the importation of many thousand, if not millions of ‘soldiers of Allah’ now being imported through Libya into Europe. The problem is made worse by Communist Marxists in the West, who see Islam as a useful ally in overthrowing Western Capitalism.
Many of the young so-called working class aren’t stupid – in fact precisely because they haven’t gone to University and been ‘educated’ they understand what we are up against. They have no-one to vote for, no-one who will try and address the problems we face – and they are many problems, from immigration to the destruction of our public services through ‘Common Purpose’ and including Islamization and destruction of our values – Anne Marie understands that.
Icini threatens that many in his branch will leave UKIP if Anne Marie is elected – as do some of our more useless MEP’s. I can assure him, and,them, that if Anne Marie doesn’t win very many more will leave and persuade Anne Marie to start a new Party – not through pique of any kind, but simply because so many of us understand that it is now or never to face up to our problems, for the sake of the young dis-enfranchised working class, and because we don’t trust anyone else not to deflate in the face of criticism.
Dee,
If AMW fails I will personally approach Stuart and Anne Marie about starting a new party, and I won’t be the only one.
This will mean leaving UKIP and after 8 yrs loyal membership it would be with a heavy heart. The party has established itself nationally over 24 yrs and it would mean starting at square one again.
But I have two teenage children and I DO NOT want them to live under Sharia for the rest of their lives. Sure I’ll be gone by then, but that’s not the point is it?
Thank you for that, Rob – I will chip in, it’s the best legacy I can leave my granddaughter.
More on this later, yeah?
Still hoping for a miracle, but if not, Plan B.
Hear, Hear!
Dee, I think that Ben Walker also “gets it” and so does John Rees-Evans.
Dee. Thanks for your post. You summarise the situation so-well. You are doing a fine job of presenting the AMW proposition.
Thank you!
Icini, CK, you’ve got me thinking now. We went to the races yesterday (did good) but I too thought here are 1,000’s of people without a care in the world. That day anyway.
But then I remembered the Quakers. George Fox. It all started from around here. South Cumbria. He just talked to crowds. Same as AMW is. Just a thought.
“Simply apply the existing UK laws to everyone…”. That is exactly AMW’s argument on that subject.
One consequence yet to be discussed though is apply which laws to sections of the community that refuse to integrate?
As Enoch said years ago, integration is a myth for some. So in that case, which laws do we apply?
Flogging for religious dissenters?
Capital punishment for honour killers?
Castration for serial rapists?
Mass deportation?
And what about the massed guardianista zealots planted in every sphere of public life? Do we charge those at the top like Blair, Cameron & May with treason and consider hanging them? To frighten the rest s**tless? Or do we define grounds to hound them out of office or other positions of influence?
I know I’m quoting extreme examples but am doing so to promote wider discussion, how and where exactly does one start? Applying our laws equally?
Couple of asides. AMW is also very keen on reducing waste in NHS.
And it occurred to me a lot of years ago that while the clever kids rush off the universities every summer, to have their heads filled with who knows what, a year or so spent teaching the rest British history and the threats faced, then and now, might be a way of redressing the balance, between guardianistas and patriotic Brits.
It happens now almost by accident. The great unwashed are more traditional and less manipulated. Perhaps they should be more formally educated and encouraged..??
Keith et al.
I can only speak for the people I was elected to represent and my own branch. The overwhelming majority of those would not vote for a party led by AMW if you paid them. I believe that neither will the vast majority of the national electorate.
I care as deeply for my mainly rural town and district as I do for about my party, perhaps more so and I’m paid to do it, ( part of my allowance goes to my branch and to avoid confusion, the amount left does not cover the cost of doing the job). This applies in principal or at least should do, to all elected representatives.
I can see that in large cities the situation is different but not enough so to get UKIP elected on what is basically an anti Muslim vote. Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of that issue and there are many, it’s not one that we can lead on if we want to have more influence than just being a protest group. Change is possible but you can’t achieve it by protesting, only by being elected or presenting a viable threat to the old parties.
If you really believe that we are about to be taken over by an admittedly alien religion, head on is not the best way to deal with it and will not work. It’s political ignorance and wishful thinking, politics and indeed the world the world is how it is, not how you would like it to be.
It’s possible to put all existing residents first but we have to be reasonable, it’s a characteristic of our nation I’m proud of and make no apologies for.
Wanting one law, British law, to apply equally to all, is pro-British, not anti-anyone. If one law applying to all conflicts with one group then that is that group’s problem to solve, not ours. One way the particular group in question could solve this is by moving forward 1000 years, and integrating into the modern world, but their creed, unlike any other, cleverly forbids change on pain of death. And the answer always seems to be that WE should change instead.
By calling one law for all ‘anti-Muslim’ you are using the Left’s pejorative terminology, which is the way they control every discussion of every issue.
Seconded.
Icini,
At your next branch meeting, ask for a show of hands about Halal. I have done so at three different branches.
You will find that close to unanimously the members reject it. And yet the party policy supports it. Can you not see the disconnect?
You need to ask yourself whether you are part of the problem. Can you really not see what has happened to UKIP? Hint: Google for Tariq Mahmood and Shneur Odze, look at the search results for Feb & March 2015.
Alan Piper is right. We need to “blow the bloody doors off” by voting AMW.
We will br prevented from doing this by the inactive ukip members who will vote bolton or whittle based upon the skimpiest of information and heavily encouraged by the ukip elite.
As Alan Piper states only 1% maybe max 5% of people are very politically motivated. Yesterday afternoon at a beauty spot with the wife having an ice cream I was boring away to my audience of one about the latest bbc outrage or whatever and I stopped to look around. Happy families for a day out laughing mooching gossiping about whatever babbling on their mobiles..not just there and then but always.
Probably the only people pushing politics yesterday were the Socialist Worker nutters in Notting Hill or equivalent and such is the bias in our culture that they are welcomed if not encouraged.
I am afraid I do not know the answer to this mass indifference. I shall ask the wife tonight…
CK,
You’re not alone in this experience. My wife, whom I love very much, has a moderate interest in politics generally but I suspect would only genuinely pay full attention if a bunch of bearded young men come running down our street shouting I’m A Snackbar or something and firing AK47s.
My teenage son gets it, might join YI in fact, but my daughter is bored to tears with all politics especially when Daddy tries to man-splain some concept. Mind you she’s only 13 so I’ll cut her some slack.
Dear Brian,
As articles such as the one below show:
http://www.jane4leader.info/jane_naz.html
AMW is NOT the only leadership candidate to speak out on the Rotherham issue, and I am rather fed-up with her well-meaning supporters suggesting otherwise!
Best wishes, Rob.
Rob, there are many people willing to speak out on the Rotherham issue until pressure is exerted by the MSM, Momentum, AntiFa or others. How long did Sarah Champion last?
AMW is the only person to stand resolute against such pressure. Her courage is beyond doubt, and she demonstrates it every day.
You’re right Rob but it may look a bit different from Switzerland ??. Here the only voice you ever hear about on the subject is AMW …
Internet radio etc. is a wonderful thing! ??
http://www.jane4leader.info/sounds/pakistani_1.wav
http://www.jane4leader.info/sounds/pakistani_2.wav
Fair point. Fat chance with my kids around!
Does Jane Collins actually say, clearly and unequivocally, that the culprits in Rotherham and god knows how many other places are MUSLIMS? Or does she refer to them as Asians, grooming gangs, street groomers or some other euphemism? I recall picking her up on this quite recently on a page in ukipdaily where she did not use the word MUSLIMS in describing the rapists, but she did not bother to reply.
Panmelia,
Yes, she did last night at the London hustings she called them Pakistani muslim grooming gangs, in fact, she was quite good last night, it was the first time I have seen her in action. I thought AMW’s was a bit quite actually this time but there are far too many candidates to get a proper debate going, although Freddy tried his best IMO.
The thing is, Panmelia and DD, that it’s a good deal easier to name the problem unequivocally when you are in front of a friendly audience than it is in front of a hostile media or a grilling by Andrew Neil. AMW would never falter, I am confident, but it is where most fall down, which leads to mixed messages and failure.
Dee,
I cannot disagree with what you have said.
Dear Rob,
I note that you are here representing Jane.
Perhaps I should declare an interest. Jane and I were involved together on a beermat project when Surrey and Yorkshire worked together.
You say “AMW is NOT the only leadership candidate to speak out on the Rotherham issue, and I am rather fed-up with her well-meaning supporters suggesting otherwise!”.
You mention Rotherham. The Islam issue is wider than just Rotherham.
Is it true that Jane wants to speak out on the Islam issue?
If Jane does NOT want to speak out on Islam then it is surely reasonable for AMW’s supporters to point that out.
If, on the other hand, Jane does want to speak out on Islam then Jane and AMW seem to have identical policy on this matter; and indeed all matters.
Why then will Jane resign from the party if AMW wins?
Regards, Toby, 01932-873557
I agree with Alan Piper. We are at 2-5% in the polls (check for yourself at ukpollingreport.co.uk). We have lost all our MPs and are losing our councillors.
Our USP is gone: the UK is leaving the EU. How exactly that happens is out of our hands, for good or ill. In a FPTP system UKIP has no future as the-party-that’s-a-bit-more-properly-Tory-than-the-faux-Tories, which is what all the other leadership candidates I’ve heard speak seem to want.
Unless we blow the bloody doors off and elect AMW, we may as well save our time and effort, go home and vote GreenLibLabCon every five years, because whichever party is in power won’t make a blind bit of difference to the demographic future of the country. That future is Muslim unless a new party gets into power with radically different policies.
I fully agree with Alan and Keith here. The key points are made with elegance and power and there is no point in my re-stating them.
What I will add is that I have heard several members express concerns about AMW’s being a single-issue candidate. To my mind, there are two responses to that:
1. AMW focuses primarily on the biggest challenge of our times. This “single issue” in fact embraces a number of other issues, such as immigration, housing, schooling, defence, welfare, law and order, and gay rights. Negligible numbers of people give one hoot about UKIP’s policies on these subordinate issues, because nobody listens to our voice in those specific debates. We have the chance to define our USP once again, and AMW is the only one with the courage to do this.
2. She does have a well thought-through manifesto that addresses the other issues, so for those not convinced by (1) above, please take the time to read it in order to reassure yourselves.
I’m nervous about this leadership election. It’s our one chance to start addressing the threat to our way of life. If AMW doesn’t win, I think we’re finished as a party of significance.
@ Grummy
Exactly, there is, in fact, no such thing as a ‘single-issue’ in politics: all are inter-related. The anti-UKIP, pro-EU bores used to go on about leaving the EU being a ‘single-issue’ that no one was interested in; yet it was obvious that the EU affected and influenced every aspect of life in the UK, and 17.4m voters could see that. The Remainer camp in desperation eventually contradicted itself in a pathetic matter by warning that everything would collapse if we left the EU; so much for the lying ‘single-issue’ argument.
It’s the same with islam: this isn’t a single issue, it’s the vital pivot point on which everything else depends. What point is there in planning HS2, a new runway, Northern powerhouses, nuclear reactors,and any future development one cares to name; or worrying about the NHS, education, social services, social care, the economy, devolution, our role in the world? None of these matter if we don’t keep control and ownership of our country, our democracy, our autonomy, our freedom, our identity. Ignore the threat of being demographically swamped by a burgeoning islamic population and we might as well forget any future for Britain and the British except flight or submission. Anyone who is relaxed about that possibility, or is just prepared to take the risk that things will turn out fine, is wilfully ignorant of 14 centuries of islamic history and islamic fanaticism.
The EU demonstrated very clearly, when Dave was PM, that they are simply not interested in negotiating, with so many members and such an unwieldy organisation flexibility is simply impossible anyway.
They have two aims.
1. To extract as much money as possible from us.
2. To show other members that leaving is too difficult to be an option.
There is zero good will on the EU side. Postpone so called negotiations util we are out. Just leave, impose proper border control and revert to WTO trade terms. Watch them scramble to get something better as increased tariffs for EU goods stats to hit Germany, France and the others. We will take a bit of a hit but it will be worth it and it will hurt the EU more than us. It’s the most likely outcome anyway.
As for the question of Islam, simply apply the existing UK laws equally to everyone, without fear or favour and do a lot more to help new residents integrate.
Meanwhile choose a new leader who is not going to use us mainly for their personal agenda or be utterly destroyed by the media immediately they are elected.
Furthermore, if Peter wins or Henry slips in, Ukipers need to get behind them or go elsewhere, just as many of our existing elected representatives will have to do if AMW gets in. Once elected your prime responsibility is to the people who you represent, party comes second. I hate the idea of a split but a divided party is a waste of space and can achieve absolutely nothing.
Icini,
When are you going to understand that AMW is not going to be destroyed by the media. They’ve already tried, failed. She’s the new Farage in that regard. I’ve talked to her, she simply isn’t going to give up on this, she genuinely believes she is right and a hell of a lot of us agree. I mean don’t you care about these poor girls? What solution do you have?? Have you actually met AMW?
The ONLY immigrants who are ABLE to integrate are a)nonmoslems b)exmoslem apostates who have more physical and moral courage than most of us.
On the EU/Brexit, I am foursquare behind you and agree 100 percent.