Today, people in Lewisham East go to the polls. There was one last hustings on Tuesday evening (see the invitation here). We heard that the Labour candidate and the Tory candidate refused to attend, the Labour candidate allegedly having said that she didn’t want to give the ‘oxygen of publicity’ to Anne Mary Waters. But that was not sufficient. The hustings were interrupted and then abandoned – because of Labour thugs.
Watch this video:
Here’s proof that Labour NEC is behind this despicable silencing of political opponents by those gentle protesters we’ve seen oh-so-gently shouting in the video above – check the text of the tweet accompanying this photo:
Here’s another rather illuminating video, showing that this ‘protest’ was supported by ‘UNITE’, and making it quite obvious that the ‘marshals’ of that ‘protest’ have been trained in how to prevent citizen reporters from filming:
One wonders why they are so afraid of getting free publicity …
Mr Bav wrote:
“A quick update.
The hustings attended by David Kurten were closed down by the Metropolitan Police last night after a baying mob of far-left racists , recruited by Momentum / Corbyn threatened AMW and DK with violence.
The stage was mobbed by a far-left racist who tried to silence David Kurten. The police removed her. NO ARRESTS WERE MADE.
The Labour candidate did not attend the hustings, on instructions from Corbyn/Momentum. She stated she would not share a platform with David Kurten, as he ‘is a racist’.
AMW herself, and her security team were prevented from attending altogether.
At this time (12.45 BST / Wednesday) it would appear that AMW is with the police. It is unclear whether she is with them voluntarily or is under arrest.
This outrageous event must not go unnoticed. Please go onto your social media accounts and shout it loud.
Whether you support AMW or DK does not matter.
Right now AMW is one of us.”
And Jeff Wyatt has posted this comment which deserves a wider audience:
“Truly shocking scenes in Lewisham. One of my first public assignments as Deputy Leader with Anne Marie ! The Police made no real attempt to allow our safe arrival, they were simply looking for an excuse to instruct us not to attend, which is exactly what they did when they knew we were on the way.
Sorry to your man David K that we did not have the chance to debate 🙂 , but fair play with the way he handled that ignorant old woman shouting racist at him. Sums up much doesn’t it.”
It cannot be said loudly enough: our democracy is in peril.
Not only is our right of Free Speech being curtailed whenever TPTB don’t like what we say – so is our right of Free Association.
Just play the ‘substitution game’: had a group of, for example, Vets or Football Lads staged such demo at a Labour hustings, would the police have closed the hustings – or would they have waded in and dispersed the Vets and Football Lads, with force?
You know the answer!
(Also see this report on Kipper Central and this longer article by David Kurten published here.)
Since, by 8pm on election day, after a gruelling month of campaigning, I thought the UKIP election team deserved a lubricated meal unhindered by me, I continued visiting polling stations in Lewisham East while they dined.
There was a pick-up in the voting rate as the evening progressed, and as it ended up, wards outside our target area (43% of the constituency) had higher turnouts. The final turnout, 33% including postals, shows what the people of Lewisham think of the “democracy” (sic) they have.
Maybe the voters in our target wards knew that Labour is invincible here and so didn’t bother to come out?
I ended with the last (for me) pair of stations a few seconds before 10pm. These were the ones at Catford Broadway, in the same building as the count itself.
This made me the first candidate/representative to arrive at the count (you could tell who was admin and who was candidate/rep from the colour of their ID badge ribbon). Admittedly for Labour, there was an overlap. In the coffee room, I saw several one apparently change her badge… “hmmm” to independence?
David has observed an anomaly (unfavourable to UKIP, naturally) re his piles of votes; how and if we progress this is another matter. We are both tired out – in my case, two nights without sleep on the trot.
I, like David Kurton, am a racist – I believe in the Human Race. (No ifs and buts!)
Your reliance on Plod having the brainpower to detect humour or irony, on having the integrity to do the right thing, the honesty not to lie and distort and the dutifulness to be true to their oath is, all together, very touching.
I used to be stupid like that.
I’m afraid I have seen no improvement in UKIP in the last year, regardless of leader. If even the grassroots members feel distanced from the national leadership, then how can we attract voters? Although obviously GB is better than HB from an integrity and other perspectives, I don’t see any internal changes to open up the party and everything still seems to be run by a secretive group of people at the top. Communication hasn’t improved at all. Where is the party chairman? Around Europe we see successful populist parties yet we seem unable to learn from them.
Totally agree Tacitus. But grassroots Kippers are alive and well, I raised over £1000 last night from just a few patriots to run a poster truck on Independence Day next week, and it will be a BIG headache for the treacherous Tories. ‘It’s YOUR decision’ they said. (unless you vote the wrong way)
I’m back from the count.
Lewisham East is probably one which the incorrigible Trump might describe as a Khan excremental.
Our short video at https://youtu.be/qLecms5yuXI reveals the intellect and reasoning powers of a significant hard-left section of its electorate. They bay for our blood for telling the truth, e.g. that their “pro-Sharia + pro-Gay” policy is nonsense, since the Sharia sentences homosexuals to death.
UKIP maintained its GE2017 vote share – excellent, given there were 14 competing (vs. only 7 in 2017) and we had 2-3 splinter parties present.
The Conservative vote was down by 9% due to Treason May’s Brexit betrayal.
Labour’s vote was down 18%, partly due to the publicity we focussed on their scandalous misconduct on Tuesday. They boycotted a parliamentary hustings on bogus grounds, in reality because their gormless candidate would have been exposed under cross-examination. At least one of their NEC members posed with the feral mob outside the venue grinning – at their assault on free speech? The same mob then used physical intimidation and assault – assistance provided by AntiFa etc. fascist groupings – to disrupt and harass candidates – then abetted by Common Purpose led police shutting down the hustings rather than upholding the law, dispersing or arresting lawbreakers.
The constituency appears like a familiar of the (defunct) Soviet Union; many among its semi-imported electorate hate anyone who might limit their flow of benefits.
We didn’t expect to win. Cowardly Conservatives moved left of centre, Treason May’s comfortable with this. Of parties identified as centre, centre-right or right, UKIP dominated, getting more votes than all others combined:
UKIP .. 51% (well done, David!)
For Britain .. 35% (Anne Marie Waters)
Democrats & Veterans .. 9% (Party leader: John Rees Evans)
Libertarian .. 5% (Doh! We’re libertarian)
In the interests of education about FPTP realpolitik, I spoke candidly with representatives of these parties. Let’s see what happens.
Elements of former UKIP regime(s) have been got rid of – and I’m not referring to recent former Leaders (though several were perhaps “useful”), but to a shameless, cunning, treacherous cabal who, for years, ensured that UKIP was never successful enough.
Thereby serving their real master.
They will not be permitted to return or complete their evil work. Indeed, if they saw the dossier we have on them, they might, and for diverse reasons, consider emigration prudent.
I hope they don’t. I want revenge.
Addenda:
1. We actually didn’t just maintain our vote share vs. 2017, despite the 14 vs 7 plus 2-3 splinter parties effects – we marginally improved it (by .03%).
2. Turnout was disappointingly low, but not as low as we’d estimated – this is because we’d projected as the day progressed on the basis of our three target wards (out of seven) all of which experienced exceptionally low turnouts, maybe because many voters felt a Labour victory was definite (21,000+ majority in GE2017), so why bother even trying to stop the inevitable.
Very interesting analysis Freddy. Your/David’s efforts damaged Labour but perhaps drove people to the LibDems. And 33% turnout is shocking. Overall, this is a chilling win for Remain and proof we’re not even close to communicating why Brexit is vital for the UK. You’ve done a salesman’s job on the results, I think we need to be more honest, clearly we’re not getting through. UKIP’s message has to be bigger and louder. 380 votes and being beaten by the Greens and ‘Women’ party is Monster Raving Loony territory. A MASSIVE change in the presentation of UKIP’s message is very urgent. At the moment, UKIP doesn’t even talk to its own members…as I keep on saying. I have a big idea for Referendum Anniversary Day, instant support from many Kippers and raised over £1000 in an evening to carry it off. Will tell you more later.
It is not a good result. I got 316 votes in a local by election in 2014. In a strong Lib Dem / Conservative area. We did leaflet the whole ward twice over, and did canvassing too. One ward, not a whole constituency.
If it was, as you say, not a good result for us, despite us improving our position since 2017, it was a lot worse result for Anne Marie Waters, who left no stone unturned but was beaten comprehensively by us.
Reality Check: This was the People’s Republic of Lewisham East. It is able to “operate”, in a cuckooland of its own, mainly due to the generosity of hardworking taxpayers outside it, and the suffering of its victims within it.
So, for most of the proportion of the population that loathes Labour infamy and wickedness (almost as much) as we do, and are utterly desperate to escape its clutches, but can’t yet afford to flee the area, they will vote only for those who they think have a Cat in Catford’s chance (no error with the metaphor) of BEATING/OUSTING Labour and freeing themselves from tyranny, waste, corruption (as well as plagues of boils, frogs, etc., quite possibly).
In GE2017, that was the Cons, who got 521% of the LibDem vote. 521%.
In BE2018, that was the LibDems, who got 171% of the Con vote! That’s 171% the other way, an enormous 890% swing, sort-of.
Such huge swings in just 14 months cannot be explained other than desperation voting to oust the B-Liar party.
I know my patch, Russell, and that is *all* of London, including the many tragically broken bits.
In Surrey, mate – you lot (!) don’t have a bleeding clue as to how bad it is. For country bumpkins (not hicks), a pothole, or a tipsy copper, results in bucketfuls of smelling salts being deployed.
In parts of London, the Met deals crack and goes on shooting sprees, the potholes swallow cars whole, and tyre sellers use stingers when business ebbs. ;–)
Lastly, for the avoidance of doubt, not only UKIP did handily beat For Britain, the Democrats & Veterans Party and the Libertarian Party COMBINED…
… but UKIP even more handily beat the Christian Peoples Party, the Radical Party, the Young People’s Party, the charming Independent and the Monster Raving Loony Party COMBINED.
Our team did a brilliant job given the lack of straw. An enraged tiger in the barn will soon clear out Brer Fox, who’d otherwise make a more substantial meal than will hens.
Russell, given your skills you know I agree you should be playing a major role in projecting UKIP’s image better in print, as your Surrey UKIP bulletin (newspaper) was excellent. I can only pass these things on.
Also, judging from numerous past interactions, you and I would make a (publishing) double act that would leave LibLabCon
> we’re not getting through
No, Russell, leafy Surrey prepareth not thee for so many of the denizens of Catford. You believe you saw the worst in that video clip?
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Those were some of the more civilised, the most refined and edycaited, like the oscillating upward finger “vicar” (sic) and the mad yeller, screamer & pusher.
But we don’t have footage of the spitter.
Or of the biter. Who looked like some relative of Corbyn, but probably wasn’t.
The Labour Party in places like this plays a role similar to a drug dealer. It provides the “fix”, and is paid in votes.
Labour guarantees the flow of our (taxpayers’) money to support the diverse lifestyles of its voter client base, whose numbers it is committed to increasing by a never-ending importation scheme, needed to replace the more industrious among its past supporters who, as affluence approaches, (belatedly) realise that Labour is like a Ponzi/MLM/”Rob Peter to pay Goodluck” scheme. Yes, the attractiveness wanes when Labour comes stealing *their* money, to squander on and bribe the indigent, the feckless and the generationally unemployables, doesn’t it!
In case the general public will not stomach the rates of immigration needed to sustain Labour’s appetite for votes (including votes from decent folk who haven’t wised up yet), they can always conceal the true population replacement rate (they’ve been excellent at that – but so have the Cons) or alternatively subsidise and otherwise encourage local fast-breeder reactors.
Ah, Freddy, you’re forgetting I’m a council house boy really, ran a business successfully in tough Croydon for years, then did serious politics in Brighton against a dirty opposition. I helped Winston McKenzie campaign in South Norwood, that was enlightening. I’ve been in situations from Peru to Puerto Rico that would make your hair stand on end. So, I’m no country bumpkin, I know how to fight…and when to ‘advance in the other direction’. Politics is a propaganda war and UKIP need to learn how to do it. At the moment they don’t even talk to their own members once a week with a leader’s email…never mind the public. There is no big message, not even a small one. WTF do the MEPs do all day? Flick rubber bands at each other?
The upsurge (+20% in vote share) in the LibDem vote is probably because, as a by-election, this was about the key issue of Brexit in a strongly “Remain” constituency.
No one, least of all Labour itself, actually understands where Labour stands on Brexit, as the greybeard loon with wandering eye has forgotten 20 years of his “principles” – and his rabid underlings are almost all Remainers. So they weren’t trusted. The winner’s acceptance speech made a big play about (reading between the lines only a bit) delivering a Brexit so watered-down as to be useless.
And the BBC-fed, naive constituents probably have fallen for the Con lie that Treason May actually intends to deliver Brexit.
So, for Remainers voting Libdem was a logical choice.
Voter turnout in Lewisham East has been very poor so far. I expect it to pick up at about 5 pm.
In about half an hour I will be back in the constituency, visiting every one of the 17 polling stations in the Downham, Grove Park and Whitefoot wards, and if time permits, Catford too, the scene of Tuesday’s crime.
I will be outside the Lewisham East count venue (The Civic Suite, 1 Catford Broadway, SE6 4RU) prior to 10pm, and then inside.
I have original or downloaded audio, stills and video footage captured on my phone which reveal numerous public order offences committed on June 12, 2018 right under the noses of the constabulary, presumably with their approval as no arrests were made, let alone charges brought.
I will be seeking out PL313, PL175, PL160, PL684 or better, their superior officers, expected to be in attendance at the count. I will also be making a representation to the Returning Officer, in co-operation with Keith Forster, the Election Agent.
If you also have recorded material, kindly make contact with me within the count area at the Civic Suite (if you have access to it) or, failing that, outside.
From this point on I probably won’t have reliable internet access, so use my phone number, of which all of those associated with the Lewisham campaign have knowledge, should you need me to exit the building to meet you.
G O O D . L U C K . D A V I D !
Good job and hope it goes well,
thanks
Well, as Russell delightfully and delightedly rubbed it in, besides LibLabConGroan, the Sexist Party (i.e., “Women’s Rights, Sod the Men” one) managed to beat us.
This, despite their own supporters feveredly applauding co-nutter Labourstas, who as we know would have us crushed under the jackboot of Sharia law double-quick.
The same Sharia law that’s notorious for being a terrific defender of women’s rights, as in, their rights to freely scream while or even (to indulge the dears) after being “moderately” beaten with a stick by hubby or other possessing male.
This is Labour La-La-Land, where cluster***k logic applies.
Yes, it certainly is as you describe it Freddy a cluster xxxx
Still Dave Kurten is a good candidate, he just had the wrong campaign.
Interesting that the AMW aspect is an irrelevancy.
“NO ARRESTS WERE MADE.” Such a contrast with the treatment of TR and others on our side. I’m sure there must be some decent coppers left who disagree with the way the police force is being used. It is time for them to stand up against what they know is wrong.
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There, for a moment you had me really thinking you were being serious. But then I reviewed your past contributions, which showed no sign of idiocy, congential or otherwise.
In the same vein:
Q.. What do you call a Pakistani who wants his country to be mainly Pakistani (in terms of population, culture, laws, etc.)?
A.. Pakistani.
Q.. What do you call a Thai who want his country to be mainly Thai (..ditto..)?
A.. Thai.
Q.. How about a Russian who (…)?
A.. Russian.
Q.. OK, what do you call an Englishman who wants his country to be mainly English?
A.. An effing RACIST, whose skull the nearest copper might be willing to accidentally tap, and some c_ck judge then throw into clink where he will have to service assorted unmentionables and wear a baguette (charming advice proffered to a certain recent political prisoner of Treason May’s).
congenital, not congential. My finger co-ordination’s not yet back after dealing with the leftard knuckle-draggers of Lewisham.
And UKIP Daily – PLEASE get a better captcha code system! There’s one where you only need to click a box.
David Kurten handled the situation superbly and whoever filmed and edited this video deserves a medal; it perfectly captures the CRASS STUPIDITY OF THE LOW IQ LEFT who can only rant like morons. And they accuse other people of bigotry, oh the irony! UKIP HQ should – of course – broadcast this video far and wide but that hasn’t occurred to them yet and it’s stuck on 271 views instead of racing towards 27,000 and more. UKIP keep blaming the ‘main stream media’ but have absolutely no plans or ideas for their own media. Freedom of the internet is a temporary thing, UKIP need to grasp the nettle, tweeting your mates is NOT broadcasting, it’s as much use as the easy applause at conferences, it does NOT get to the general public.
I kind of totally agree with your comment Russell Hicks.
You see it, I see it, but the people with the hands on the levers do, or choose not to, see it
Video editing – credit RICHARD BRAINE (Chairman, Kensington/Chelsea/Hammersmith/Fulham branch)
Get this good man on the Media Committee right now!
I recommended him to Nuttall. I recommended him to Bolton. I recommended him to Batten.
David Kurten was magnificent. Every time he watch him in action I am impressed by how he handles any situation. His stature increases with each public appearance. His unfailing good humour and cheerful demeanour go a long way to showing up the sour, spiteful, hate ridden demonstrators, for the failures they really are.
It might be interesting to find out how many of them are living off the public purse by way of benefits and housing allowances. They certainly don’t seem to need much time to go to work judging by the number of times the rent-a-mob are available for action.
Totally agree Adrianne, David is outstanding.
David is a very good public speaker and has a nice manner. He is also good under pressure, a vital asset when being heckled by the clowns from the left. Hope it goes well!
This activity of “no platform” is an old tactic simply because it works.
The people behind the modern version, let’s call them all “Antifa” for convenience, are well funded groups like HnH and Unite.
The people funding them include Labour, Unions as well as groups with “cross party” support and external streams such as the EU and Soros.
The tactic work well in the UK as many people do not want to attend meetings with a heightened risk of violence and loud unpleasantness. So they will not go and “Antifa” have already won 80% of the battle.
Then there are the bonus points, generally speaking they will get the positive media spin for confronting racist extreme far right groups. Secondly they also manage to force the “right” speakers on the back foot by requiring security details, leaving messaging about meetings until the last minute, as well as finding it increasingly difficult to book venues. Plus any security arrangements for far right speakers can look bad.
Nigel Farage has long direct experience of all this. The conclusion is stark. “Antifa” have a free card by the police and state to disrupt any meeting and even the personal security of anyone they choose like the pub and NIgel Farage’s family.
David Kurten and AMW walked right into this problem. They knew it would happen. Did they gain from the mess at the hustings ? Personally I think not. They have both been smeared as extreme far right racists in public.
David Kurten – UKIP should have:
Planned for “Antifa”.
Planned for the actions or inactions of the police
Concentrated on alternatives for getting their message out to the public.
Donald Trump did all this by tweets, rallies and membership and a constant raft of emails asking for ideas, feedback, support, attendance, merchandising and funding. (He does not have the UK electoral commission rule book.)
Am disappointed that UKIP David Kurten walked into this unprepared. Nigel Farage tried alternatives including boats and planes. UKIP is no stranger to adversity, why behave as surprised ?
So I wont condemn “Antifa” with outrage and so on because that is not part of a co-ordinated strategy.
But goodness wasn’t it dreadful how the police, Labour and “Antifa” disrupted David Kurten’s attendance at the Hustings.
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I think Chris that the incitement to break up a public meeting (what Corbyn and his NEC cronies and Unite did) and the actions that Antifa themselves did are ALL criminal offences under the Public Meeting Act 1908.
Why the Act not enforced is surely the question? Perhaps one for Gerard to tackle?
The police failed to make the required arrests. That is for sure.
See below…
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw7/8/66/section/1
Mr Bav, Am sure you are right and I read your comment about the Public Meeting Act 1908 after I posted this comment.
Thanks firstly, I had not heard of the PMA 1908.
I guess if it can be shown, which should not be that hard that Corbyn and NEC cronies + Unite were behind this then there is also a conspiracy to commit crime charge as well.
The reality has been though that for many years they have got away with it, unchallenged and with few court appearances.
UKIP has long experience of these disruptions and intimidations and full knowledge that the police are reluctant to assist UKIP going about its lawful business.
So yes, Gerard should challenge the police for not acting, but again the challenge is after the event has taken place and been disrupted and David Kurten’s chances of election reduced.
Perhaps UKIP should also challenge that this election has already been compromised and should start over again.
I still believe that UKIP should have a better strategy for meetings, not reliant upon grace and favour support from the police.
This is not new.
I expect to attend Lewisham Police Station and confront the bunglers (or more probably, worse) responsible.
I showed video and stills to officers at the count, and while their mouths said little, their eyebrows did the talking.
Of all the *possible* responses the police could have made, it is no doubt sheer coincidence that they chose the highly irresponsible one that would have been most agreeable to the author of London’s Khanage and his cohort… hasn’t it got personal between him and Kurten on the London Assembly?
The Met’s bosses are, in effect, the appalling Dick and Khan.
Dick – don’t shoot me officer, I’m not Brazilian – who brushed aside evidence of mass grooming of underage girls by mainly-Pakistani-origin paedophile rapists, saying that type of crime was an old problem going back centuries.
Khan who, at a time of spiralling numbers of (mainly) kids being stabbed or beaten to death or serious injury in London, has diverted a huge proportion of police resources to combing the internet for poor dears who’ve had their feelings hurt a bit, chillingly clamping down on freedom of speech.
I know where both of these indescribables deserve to be, but I’m too polite and prudent to say. Feel free to guess.
Freddy Vachha, good luck in taking this forward with the Lewisham police and eventually the electoral commission.
An impressive performance by David Kurten. The facist Left is out of control.
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The fascist left is in control.
They controlled 5 or ten minutes of David Kurten’s speech, unchallenged.
They controlled access to the meeting building.
Why were there not three official hi vis bouncers at the meeting 2 men and one female ?
Relying on the police and the elderly man seems lackadaisical.
On the positive side David Kurten has a good way about him.
He is a good speaker and is a great UKIP asset.
If a breakdown in public order was judged likely then the police inspector had a choice between dispersing or arresting protesters or closing down the meeting (as the protesters wanted). That the police inspector chose to end the hustings is worrying enough but the lack of interest by the media and the political elite generally is more than just worrying. The police will face a choice many times in the future – give in to left wing thuggery or defend our basic democratic processes.
We have just learnt how those decisions will go. Last night validated the tactic of abuse and disruption and so, in effect, licences and encourages its further use in future. I do not know if the police inspector who took the decision weighed possible precedent or just took a short term view – easier to end the hustings rather than call for reinforcements – but the effects are not determined by his intentions.
Farage is published by the DT and has a radio show. Will he come to the aid of his party? Will he write an article or do a show on the suppression of free speech and the degradation of the precious but rapidly disappearing respect for our electoral process?
Section 1 of the Public Meeting Act 1908
Source:- http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Edw7/8/66/section/1
Penalty on endeavour to break up public meeting.
(1)Any person who at a lawful public meeting acts in a disorderly manner for the purpose of preventing the transaction of the business for which the meeting was called together shall be guilty of an offence, . . . F1[F2and shall on summary conviction be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding [F3level 5 on the standard scale] or to both].
(2)Any person who incites others to commit an offence under this section shall be guilty of a like offence.
[F4(3)If any constable reasonably suspects any person of committing an offence under the foregoing provisions of this section, he may if requested so to do by the chairman of the meeting require that person to declare to him immediately his name and address and, if that person refuses or fails so to declare his name and address or gives a false name and address he shall be guilty of an offence under this subsection and liable on summary conviction thereof to a fine not exceeding [F5level 1 on the standard scale], F6… .]
[F7(4)This section does not apply as respects meetings to which section 97 of the Representation of the People Act 1983 applies.]
You’ve quoted the old version. The one currently used by the police reads: (1)(a) The above does not apply to any meeting at which there are candidates the Labour Party wishes to silence. (1) (b) A constable, without warrant, may break up the meeting on any pretext.
(1)(c) Anyone protesting against such police action shall, notwithstanding any provision in any other statute, be subject to arrest and indefinite detention, without charge,
Bye-bye Stout Yeoman?
I have the badge numbers of police who stood by and did nothing. I will be checking the badge numbers of officers at the election count at the Town Hall tonight. Questions need to be asked – initially, discreetly.
It does not matter what the Law says if it is not enforced or is selectively enforced. Those choosing to do so should lose their jobs and their pensions but I expected they will be rewarded by promotions.
Poor Jean Charles de Menezes. Somehow, the lefties never mention him. I wonder why.
Could someone remind me what dimwit was in charge of Operation Kratos?
Did this person lose job and pension, or was it rewarded by promotion?