There has been much heated debate about whether or not Tommy Robinson should have a special dispensation to allow him to become a UKIP member should he wish. After Tommy was arrested in Leeds, Gerard Batten went on the first protest march and has subsequently spoken at further rallies. This has also provoked much controversy amongst members. When Tommy won his appeal against contempt of court and was released on bail pending a retrial, I consider this demonstrated that UKIP was right to join in the protest – on this occasion.
After a history which is chequered to say the least, Tommy took up his sword against the scandal of grooming gangs in Britain, almost all of whom are of Pakistani origin and also involved in drug dealing. As recently as last Saturday the Mail featured an horrific case, taken up by Baroness Cox; a young girl was lured and abducted outside her local Tesco store – TWELVE years ago. The litany of police failure to act is depressingly familiar.
Although some of the vulnerable girls targeted by grooming gangs have been as young as eleven and therefore plainly children, most are in their early teens; vile as these gang rapes are, I don’t personally regard the rapists’ criminal acts as ‘child sexual exploitation’ where the girls are post puberty, but the law takes a different view – and rape is a crime at any age. So why has it been brushed aside for decades?
The failure of our justice system is not confined to grooming gangs. Scarcely a week passes without the historic child sex abuse (CSA) by Catholic priests rearing its ugly head. If it’s not that, it’s abuse in children’s homes and who can forget the posthumous revelations about Jimmy Savile or Cyril Smith.
Last week, in the space of 24 hours between one afternoon and the next I was told the following harrowing tales of historic child abuse:
A five year old girl was sexually abused by a neighbour, she told her mother, her mother went to the police. The police… did nothing!
Piecing together events and conversations with her grandmother, a saleswoman had realised that an elderly relative, now deceased, had been abused by someone within the family. The response to speaking out had been to condemn her as lying and therefore mentally ill; she was given the now notorious electric shock treatment that was fashionable at the time.
Sexual abuse by both parents – ‘I got that, my brother got the beatings.’ This individual’s spouse knew someone who had been taken into care for CSA, then abused again in the care system. Could that be Melanie Shaw? One can hope, but sadly I am sure that Melanie is not the only one.
These were not snippets gleaned from social media or office gossip, nor life stories from a therapy group. These were chance face to face conversations that only happened because I too have recently ‘come out ’ about childhood abuse. I have never known a mother’s love, the woman that gave birth to me subjected me to emotional and mental abuse and hated me to the end of her life. Thankfully I was never sexually abused but CSA is in the news so often that it and the general term ‘child abuse’ have become virtually synonymous. Well, last week, someone up there was trying to tell me I have a job to do.
The grooming gangs are criminals. Drug dealers, pimps and rapists. Not acting for fear of offending decent citizens of the same religion and ethnicity as them is cowardly and wrong. UKIP is right to speak out and not just on the abduction and abuse of mainly white girls by the gangs. FGM, duping your daughter into going on ‘holiday’ for mutilation or a forced marriage – both child abuse. ‘Honour’ killing is murder. An acid attack is surely grievous bodily harm. All crimes which should be prosecuted.
Then there is what you might call abuse by ‘indigenous’ criminals. I first came across Melanie Shaw at the ‘Tommy’ rallies, if she really is imprisoned on rigged charges to gag her for whistleblowing over perverts in high places, linked to the Beechwood children’s home in Nottingham, shouldn’t UKIP look at her case too? MPs, councillors, police inspectors, ‘celebrities’ – there should be no stone under which child abusing low life can hide from justice.
UKIP must speak out to make it plain that it abhors these crimes and will fight for justice for abused children wherever the abuse occurs, not just in ethnic communities.
UKIP should speak out loud and clear about ALL failure to investigate allegations of child abuse, child sexual abuse and child sexual exploitation due to vested interests or fear of racism accusations.
Of course UKIP should speak out. Wasnt it UKIP members that first publicised the Rotrherham rapes anf grooming gangs to the general public which led to the others being uncovered and publicised in other British Towns and cities? As I recall before the 2015 election UKIP internet sites were full of the reports?
OK so whilst UKIP continues its navel gazing, I see 10 other pro-Brexit organisations (including Farage in Leave Means Leave) have come together in a united front. UKIP needs to fight to establish its relevant in the Brexit discussion, right now we are nowhere to be seen.
I’m not navel gazing – just setting out a policy and a moral stand I believe we should take now and beyond Brexit. Like everyone else I rate a proper Brexit as our top priority
Sorry, didn’t mean you specifically, party in general, I’m more thinking about this unnecessary TR debate. Which follows the HB debate. Which follows taking 5 months to organise a leadership election (LIbdems did same thing at same time using 4 weeks). In fact there is a joke in there somewhere, how many weeks does it take to elect a Libdem leader? Answer, 4 if you are the Libdems and 5 months if you are UKIP.
The Brexit posers will be in touch when they need the ‘donkey’ work done.
Also very true……..
Tacitus, you have hit the nail on the head good and proper. Whilst the UKIP leadership have been much to keen to inhabit the periphery area of what most of us to consider THE most important issue at the moment namely Brexit whilst concentrating more on TR and DFLA marches, other more serious organisations it seems, have come to the fore and taken over our role. Several of my branch members this evening have e-mailed me saying what the hell is going on with UKIP at the moment. I am afraid to say that increasingly I am at a loss to give a satisfactory explanation……
Is UKIP incapable of only dealing with one issue at a time?.
I thought we were a fully fledged political Party.
I take it you have informed Mr Batten of your views that UKIP remain a single issue party.
Mr Batten has just outlined a whole raft of policies in one of the best speeches I have ever heard – certainly from UKIP.
Even more issues than two – I trust you will cope – 99% of us surely will.
I agree, to focus solely on “Muslim grooming gangs” is wrong. All forms of child abuse, whether carried out by Pakistani men, Catholic priests, or rich white Establishment actors/celebrities/businessmen/politicians is WRONG.
There is a lot of this being covered up, and it is no good just trying to poke at one aspect, it must be confronted and tackled as a whole. This might sound ridiculous to some, but seriously, it is all very Satanic. And perhaps the reason it all gets covered up by local authorities, the police, the Church, the media etc is because they’re all in on it. They’re all taking part. They’re all Satanists?
Sure, a few sacrificial lambs will get thrown out (like Harvey Weinstein, or Jimmy Savile – after he died, naturally), just so they can be seen to be “doing something” when the public gets a whiff and gets naturally outraged.
Well said Helena!
Just one thing, shall we stop calling them “grooming” gangs?
“Grooming” somehow implies consent on the part of the victims, it is what a “bridegroom” presumably does to a bride; grooming a horse means currying its coat with a stiff brush, which the horse enjoys. A person is called “well-groomed” if neatly and smartly turned out.
These gangs don’t “groom” the children they target. They are child-rape gangs, and that is what they must be called “CHILD RAPE GANGS”. If we call them this, then commentators and interviewers will not be able to sweep the issue aside as something relatively unimportant.
Tommy Robinson has highlighted the ideological underpinning of their behaviour, which is sanctioned by Islamic doctrine – “Those whom your right hand posseses…”. https://www.muslimhope.com/RightHand.htm . Non-Muslim females are considered “easy meat” – see how the men of ISIS treated the Yazidi and other non-Muslim women in the lands they conquered.
It is absolutely shameful that for many years the authorities have not enforced the law against these practices for fearing to appear “racist” and disturbing “community relations”.
There has been less reticence in denouncing the abuses committed by Catholic and other priests, and now even the Pope denounces them.
But then the Pope, if offended, does not blow up people. The response by the Muslim “community” is unfortunately less predictable.
The authorities need to get hold of the Muslim “community leaders” and tell them that if they do not themselves take responsibility for extirpating these practices, denouncing them in the mosques, encouraging their followers to report the perpetrators to the authorities, then public opinion will hold them responsible, and every man’s hand will be turned against them.
So what is Helena Wndsor’s position on the issue of Robinson’s membership? On that she wrote 794 words to say nothing.
Stop being so aggressive Badger, some of us had plenty of training standing up to bullies when we were growing up. This is a plea for UKIP to take a stand against ALL child abuse from all pervs, bullies and headcases not an article setting the case for or against Tommy joining UKIP. It’s not possible to write about this issue without mentioning him and the way he’s been treated because he is fighting against the muslim drug dealing, pimp and rape gangs (point taken about grooming Torquil) but my main thrust is that we should cast our net wider to fight all the vile perverts.
And I am a politician – I served a term as a county Cllr! I have set out my views in comments on those articles specifically about the issue if you look.
Since, having been double crossed by b- parents I hate it, you can have my 2 pennyworth and probably despise me for evermore. I don’t think it would be the best move at present for Tommy to join us and anyway, in practical terms (as I’ve stated openly elsewhere) I think the cause is better served if he is a member of no party. That said, if I were UKIP spokesman on this issue I would happily meet with Tommy, share a platform with him and work alongside him to achieve our joint aims – all the while that he is acting within the law. What our leader has done basically
Errr our leader went one step further and initiated a process to get him to join the party
We refer to them as muslim paedophile gangs, the muslims however deem it to be the taking of ‘right hand possessions’, as per islams teachings and muhamads own examples.
Right hand possession, their islamic jargon for taking slaves from the kuffar (non muslms – the word is comparable to the racist N word). normally for sexual gratification.
Muslims of course lie to disguise it like they do with everything else islamic.
No surprises there – the pro and anti Tommy brigade out in front. All means ALL! We don’t need Tommy within to stand up and be counted and neither should we look the other way when the ‘Establishment’ tries to silence him. We must however distance ourselves from any thuggish behaviour and make sure we flag up Fake News report like Sky on Sunderland.
Kafkaesque doesn’t just describe Tommy’s experience – what about Melanie Shaw? I have read that she has been involved in drug/alcohol offences, I don’t know the facts, I offer only one comment – Hello there! This is what happens to many, many abused children, especially when the abuse is CSA – not just the girls hooked on drugs by the rape gangs. It’s how formerly abused people cope, how they numb the pain – self medicate. If you were lucky enough to have loving parents, a good foster home, if, like me, you fought back and rose above it without those particular crutches, or mental breakdown don’t judge.
The cover ups are not just because of Islam, there are cover ups in the highest places, protecting their revolting cronies. I want UKIP to stand against them all.
There are indeed cover ups in the highest places. There was a cover up about Jeremy Thorpe (now dead) . There have been cover ups about Tory prime ministers (now dead) and chancellors (now dead) We all know about Savile, Cyril Smith and others (now dead ) The church ( CoE and RC ) are chock full of predatory bastards . Thousands of them.
And they are still alive. And still protected.
When its possible to cover up this magnitude of crime, covering up offences regarding people of lesser influence, but still embarrassing is just a matter of routine. To careerists in law and politics the ‘sordid’ lives of the little people do not matter, ‘the scummy little oiks just bring it on themselves’ seems to be the mantra. They – the police and politicians-would rather spend 12 million on a fruitless ‘investigation” in Portugal for a doctors kid murdered 11 years ago or spy on ageing pop stars than get their hands dirty in grubby sink estates up North.
Because It keeps the attention away from the truth by making it as trivial as ‘reality TV’.
That is the reality of it.
Its NOT just a ‘Muslim rape gang’ issue, its pervasive everywhere.
There are decent people in all parties and in all cultures and religions who think the same as us. Its not party political. And more importantly this serious subject should not be used as click-bait to line the pockets of rabble- raising faux- righteous self-publicists on their You Tube channels posing as serious political commentators.
So are you for Robinson’s membership or against? Why won’t you answer? You are behaving like a politician.
I totally agree.
UKIP should take on all cases of industrial scale and institutional peadophilia and hound the authorities that do not protect the victims.
UKIP could have it’s own Child Protection Spokesman.
It will be interesting to see who disagrees.
Hello Helena! Here I go again, do hope you don’t all get tired of my praising, Tommy Robinson, a man I am extremely proud of. For anyone who still believes that TR is just a bone-headed, thug, football hooligan, I would strongly urge them to read the following two books, both available on Amazon, especially the first which is written by Tommy himself (the second he co-authored) on how he has reached this point:
Tommy Robinson Enemy of the State 9 Dec 2015
by Tommy Robinson
Mohammed’s Koran: Why Muslims Kill For Islam 31 Jul 2017
by Tommy Robinson and Peter McLoughlin
And also please watch the two following videos. If you have any doubts about what, indeed, happened to TR in prison, contrast his build during the first and what he he looked like after leaving prison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YQ94jFg_4A ; — Oxford Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeC-4XQQYdU ; — ‘What they did to me in prison’
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Strange to say but Tommy is the reason I came to join UKIP, although I knew at the time, he himself was excluded. This was some time after reading “Mohammed’s Koran” in which islam’s intentions for us is so clearly spelled out. I shake my head when I see others who are otherwise well intentioned just do not see the dangers through ignorance.
But understanding and doing something about it are two different things and it was only after seeing Gerard Batten on TV that prompted me to realise that UKIP was the best hope to combat Islam. Whether this works out in the long term to be the case remains to be seen, but Tommy is right.
Keep up the praising.
Great article Helena and all true but the establishment want to cover it up. Tommy is the only person that I know of who is brave enough to stand up to them and Ukip is right to support him.
Your final paragraph is spot on Helena – but while speaking out against such things we (UKIP) should not fall into the trap of aligning ourselves with the likes of TR. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the British justice system against any individual we have to concentrate on maximising our vote at the next (and every election). We cannot do that if we hand the media a golden opportunity to beat us to death with labels of ‘Far Right’, ‘Racist’ etc which we would be doing if we opened the door to him and others like him.
We should be ultra cautious of those we sup with – we need the broadest possible appeal to voters and we won’t get that by enlisting as members those which the media have defined as pernicious, far right, racist etc etc.
We are being urged by Gerrard, Malcolm Pearson and others to read all sorts of stuff to prove how hard done by is poor TR. that’s all very well but if we cannot ensure that every voter reads the same things it does us no good – and much harm.
“Peadophile racist rape gangs can break my bones but words can never hurt me”
You watch out for your own shadow Stan.
Ps, the msm hate us whether TR joins or not.
Broken bones can be mended, a broken spirit can lie, wounded, for a lifetime. Words do hurt Bryan, already told Nigel off for using that rhyme flippantly. OK – when the Remoaners call us racist and far right scum, things we know are rubbish, we have to shrug it off and head off up the next garden path. But it was words that hurt me when I was a child, it’s words that the pimps and rapists in the taxi firms and kebeb shops use to reel in and co-erce the young girls they abuse, words that keep them conned, chained and fearful.
Apologies Helena, I was too cryptic.
I meant that children have been, in some cases, destroyed and they are ignored, while grown adults on here are worried about being called pathetic names by pathetic people if TR joins.
That’s no different than how Rotherham Council treated any whistleblower that took on the rape gangs.
Sack them.
Demonise them.
Try to imprison them.
Names should never hurt adults that belong to a political party that is in a cultural war against the LibLabCon.
So you would oppose Tommy’s membership of UKIP because a lying media has done a hatchet job on the man and, you think, that his membership will deter others from joining UKIP? Frankly, with that attitude I know very well, as a person of principle myself, which person I would prefer as a member of UKIP in order to preserve the integrity of the party. The realists amongst us know very well, no matter what we do, we will be vilified by the mainstream media anyway.
Spot on Richard. In my view the way the MSM and all the usual suspects have left no stone unturned to vilify him at every conceivable opportunity says much. Tommy’s worth can be measured in column-inches.
Richard, I’m not particularly bothered about the effect his membership would have on people joining or leaving UKIP but I am very concerned about the effect reports by the lying media would have on those who might vote for us. It is no use having a party of high integrity, which I hope we are anyway, if no-one votes for us. We know, as you say, that the mainstream media will vilify us but that is no reason to give them bullets to fire back at us. We will not exist if no-one votes for us and our influence on the legacy parties will be nill. In order to influence how they behave we have to be seen to be a threat to them – this is a far more significant factor than being seen to be kind to someone who may or may not have been badly treated by a lying media – and to be seen as a threat we must take votes from them. UKIP is the only option we have to disentangle ourselves from the EU – if we have no influence we cannot be that. To have influence we must have votes and to maximise the numbers voting for us we must do minimal harm through reports in the lying media.
Absolutely right Helena, well said. UKIP must have many people willing and able to speak up about these things but until recently, these matters rarely made the front pages of our own website or output. And we don’t need Tommy Robinson as the only voice to talk about serious politics, in fact, because it’s him a lot of people will switch off and not listen. I accept that he appeals to a certain demographic but not all and we need to to be talking to the mainstream majority.
Very well said. Will you be asking for a spot at the top table at conference. We need someone proactive like you, who gets things done, rather than forever just talking about it. I am rapidly losing patience with all the inactivity. The real activity on Brexit which this party should be doing, is passing us by.
Thanks Colin
Today will be a big day in politics, and not just for UKIP..
See https://www.therebel.media/tommyrobinson to hear from Tommy what happened after he was lifted off the streets for speaking out and embarrassing TPTB. A Kafkaesque nightmare I would never have believed could happen in our country.
Wise and welcome words.
The most contemporary and informed article on this harrowing subject may be read here:
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/271083/leftists-own-uks-grooming-gang-crisis-and-tommy-danusha-v-goska
George, thank you for sharing that – every Guardianista and Feminazi should be sat down at gunpoint to read it.
Now for the rest – the clergy, Catholic and Anglican (and probably non- conformist) hiding under their cloak of respectability. A fellow patron of our local pub once said that when he was a choirboy his father always insisted on being present in the room with him when the boys donned their robes – wonder what he experienced as a choirboy, or what he knew about that particular choirmaster. Nowhere to hide – that includes the daughter of your fellow man of the cloth suppressing documents which may be incriminatory because she happens to be home sec- or was that after she became PM (yes, I’ve heard that rumour)
Why, oh why was Savile not brought to justice whilst he was still alive?! Disgusting as the Pakistani drug dealing pimps and rapists are remember that Savile abused patients who were lying there PARALYSED by a spinal injury – in the one place where they should be safe.
Zero tolerance of the lot – including parents, siblings, uncles and ‘family friends’.
Excuse me as a feminist I take exception to this ”’feminazi” reference because I think it means ‘all feminists’ and any woman who isn’t a feminist is a fool and any man who does not support women’s rights is not worth tuppence. There are a wide variety of feminists and the Nazi reference ..I will be polite and leave it there. Ridiculous ref from a supposed female politician mend you if you a TRA not surprising …Woman: adult female human !:) And you cannot change sex!
Sorry if the term upset you. I am an old school feminist, from the days of equal rights, equal treatment. (yeah, OK still a battle to be fought in some parts of the world.) I happen to like men and have seen the other side, where they get the bum deal (custody of children after divorce).
Have you seen those sarcastic shots of an empty street, following some vile gang rape atrocity by men from a certain community, captioned ‘Feminists march in protest at…’?
You know what I’m getting at, the ‘womxn’ dressed as vaginas protesting at Trump being president, standing naked shrieking in the street. The ‘womxn’ who rage at wolf whistling – that’s not catcalling obscenities, just whistling in appreciation. The ‘womxn’ who actually hate and despise men. We can still have a civilised discussion about equal pay, the suffragette movement, Malala, but raise the subject of how Sharia Law regards women, suggest that forcing/coercing women to adopt a particular dress code is male oppression and apply it to niqabs and burqas instead of corsets, hobble skirts or high heels and the curtain comes down.
My generation spent decades training men that no means no (now we have contraception so can say yes if that’s what we want) and that when we wear a miniskirt or low cut top we are not ‘asking for it’. Now our failed policing and justice system has allowed the incubation of what seems an ever expanding group of sick gangsters who promote the idea that white girls are easy meat and Sikh girls mostly slags. A real feminist will stand up and call that out, not hide behind her pink pussy hat.
Class repression and prejudice can be seen on this topic on here too.
Thug, thick, bonehead,illiterate, tattoed, piercings, etc etc.
We live in a sick society. Any normal primitive society would punish by outlawing or death. This appears to be what Mahomet regularised either by permanent branding, of unsocial acts or by legalising, or death. Allright, perhaps he got it wrong a bit. We just allow it all because we’re a caring society and don’t notice. Anyway we give to charity. Well we go to charity shops.