Editor’s Note: This article is quite forthright in its purpose, but in a very proper way, without emotion or insult. However, it does not represent any official UKIP view or policy, it solely represents the views of the author – different readers may agree or disagree with his views. Please feel free to comment.
Our nation is being infected by an alien, virulent ideology that by its actions, and abetted by the passivity of its adherents, is determined to destroy us if we let it. Thus I believe the time for procrastination is over; platitudes and meek appeals simply enforce the view that we are weak and timid – a pushover. Cameron’s words from Bratislava are welcome but don’t go far enough.
The danger presented by certain sections within our own society is great, most alarmingly among ethnic minorities either born here or who sought refuge among us. They take advantage of the blessings that this nation confers upon them but some are, or become, so blinkered, ungrateful, hateful and deluded that they turn on us. Their changed behaviour allegedly goes unnoticed within (more likely unchecked by) their own communities, allowing mass sexual abuse, electoral fraud, murders and explosions to occur.
July 2015 sees the 10th anniversary of the London bombings, carried out by home grown terrorists, whose communities professed bewilderment as to why such seemingly pleasant, caring, quiet men should do such a thing. Remember all the calming, re-assuring but ultimately vacuous words uttered at the time by politicians and members of those communities? I recall Blair stating that Islam was a peaceful, tolerant religion. I didn’t believe that then and there is good reason to realise things have changed for the worse in the decade since. We have witnessed the brutal murder of Drummer Lee Rigby, Kenya’s Westgate shopping mall attack and the crimes of Boko Haram, Al Shabab and so-called Islamic State (IS).
Examples of the divided loyalties inherent in modern British society are abundant. How was it that a 17 year old, still on his journey to full manhood, was seduced into becoming a suicide bomber? What tormented, twisted ideas so easily infected his mind such that he thought dying by flame and disintegration in a foreign land was better than the life he had in Britain? Those who knew him say they are unable to understand why he did it but how was he able to fool them? And what of the three sisters and their nine children? Whatever could have been so attractive about the IS message, or so abhorrent about family and life in the UK, to entice them to decamp to the hellhole of Syria – and nobody noticed something wasn’t right? What does it say about the UK when US First Lady Michelle Obama visits a school in East London, only for the students on parade to be dressed as if attending an establishment somewhere in the Saudi Arabia?
Some areas of Middle East are in turmoil, riven by factions bent on the others’ destruction, but to what end? Others are kept in check by an iron hand. Now, from across the Mediterranean, comes a flood of overwhelmingly Muslim people who have no connection with Europe other than the idea they have a right to turn up on its shores uninvited and then expect to be taken into care, unwanted even by their fellow Muslims – so much for their solidarity and brotherhood. Yes, these people maybe fleeing persecution, hunger, violence and poverty and some of the hardships may have natural causes but many can be squarely blamed on their cultures and religion.
Islam is a proselytising religion that states that the purpose of existence is to worship their god and the duty of all Muslims is to convert the infidel. It has too many problems, hang-ups if you will, for it to have a comfortable existence in the West. Its primitive, patriarchal perspective crushes individuality, freedom of thought and expression in order to serve a rigid dogma that hinders most adherents from doing anything worthwhile. What a waste of human talent, energy and progress.
While Hindus and Sikhs seem able to live quietly and productively in Britain, the split personality resolutely persists there, too. A good example of this is to be found in an episode of the BBC series ‘Who do you think you are?’ about Wolverhampton-born Meera Syal, comedian, writer, playwright, singer, journalist, producer, actress. In it she is seen revelling in her Punjabi ancestry, speaking the language and participating in the rituals. Her grandfather had been involved in anti-British actions in the 1920s. Her proud, supportive comments on his actions were odd. She spoke of Britain in the third person but this is her birthplace, the same Britain that appears on her passport, the same Britain that allowed her comedic talents (Goodness Gracious Me; The Kumars at No 42) and other abilities to flourish and subsequently enrich her.
Either through cowardice or cynical electoral considerations, generations of our leaders have avoided tackling the root of the problems which face us today – unfettered multi-culturism. I feel we should now present the Muslim community in particular with straightforward options:
If you have chosen to live here, if you have a British passport, then your first allegiance is to this country. If you cannot practise that loyalty for fear of retribution, you have big questions to answer about your religion and community. If you are not openly and honestly with us then we must doubt you. If you mean or do us harm you are a traitor. Before any more death and damage results from your inability to live productive, inclusive lives in this country, you must go where you feel most at home. You are free to leave us at any time.
I agree this issue needs open discussion in our country today but some of your representations are poorly envisioned and lack clear understanding. The sheer vastness of this matter doesn’t allow me to carry out anything substantial on such a medium; on a subject that I have areas of blank gaps and puzzlements. There is an historical element to all this and a western trade attitude as well.
I wholeheartedly agree, these people are waging an insidious war against us and knowingly for many of them.
Is it true that buying halal meat incurs a ‘zakat’ tax of 2.5% which goes to fund islamic terrorism and mosques building?
I think you will find that the ‘zakat’ tax is paid by ALL Muslim run businesses. It is claimed it is a ‘charitable’ donation. The Charity Commission has expressed considerable concern about these Islamic/Sharia/Muslim so called charities and there are indeed fears that some of the money is indeed funding terrorist activities. So, if you buy your petrol from a garage with a Muslim run franchise, they may well be paying 2.5% of their take-over to these ‘charities’. It is all a ‘can of worms’ and needs a government with guts to sort it out.
Step aside Cameron!
A sober examination of an important issue (although as with others, the meandering detour about Meera Syal left me cold)
The first ting to say is that these issues are not new – it was 25+ years ago that British Muslims were calling for the head (literally) of a British author for writing a book they did not like, and over 20 years since some of our young men joined the Mujahideen in Bosnia. The first domestic Islamist terror plot that led to a criminal conviction is as far back as 2000.
The authorities ducked this issue until it exploded in their laps, and Muslim representative organisations have long preferred to address consequences of the problem (hatred towards Muslims) than the problem itself – Islamism and the violence which follows in its wake.
UKIP can make a contribution to addressing this – on balance, this article is a start. Promoting critical thinking among young people, recognising the importance of secular values, an end to meddling in the Middle East, controlling our borders, ending our love in with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf petro-monarchies, stopping aid to Pakistan, banning foreign fighters who have taken Islamic State citizenship – any and all of these policies would help. More importantly they would take the vital psychological step of accepting the problem needs to be addressed and saying to ‘No’ to Islamists is the first step which has to be taken.
Alternatively UKIP can go down the road of its agenda being dominated by crass racism from a minority of members on Facebook, or the conspiraloon buffonery offered by burberryblue below.
How we address Islamism is one of the issues of our age. UKIP can be part of the problem, or part of the solution.
I cannot see how one could disagree with anything written here if they were being sensible and straight forward that is. We are losing the Britain that many of us have grown up in and that is a great shame because Britain has given the world many wonderful things – freedom to speak one’s mind, habeas corpus, good parliamentary practice, the rule of law and tolerance. It is this latter which perhaps has been overused to the extent that we are losing the qualities which we once assumed were fixed. They are not. We have to guard them and fight for them and we are not doing so and thus the country is becoming like everywhere else and tolerance is destroying us and our society’s norms in particular. Future pundits will look back to these times and wonder why we did not react to such a massive societal change which ultimately is detrimental to all of us.
I agree with most of the sentiments in this article wholeheartedly, although I am a little uncertain about the comments regarding Meera Syal. Even if you feel that way, I suggest you are far better sticking to the main target and don’t digress into a generalised attack on immigrants.
Stay specific because that is the only way to win that battle.
Please watch the Meera Syal episode if you can, after which I believe you will understand why I mentioned it. This country has a proud history of taking in those less fortunate than ourselves but it generally occurred with small, manageable numbers of people who readily and mostly willingly adapted to their new life here and broadly assimilated. What we have now is of a different order entirely. The newcomers regularly come in their tens of thousands, as evidenced by the official statistics. Most worrying are the groups with strong cultural practises and religious beliefs which in many ways conflict with our established law and customs, of which Muslims are the main example. In what looks like voluntary apartheid, they cluster to preserve their ways and interact with the mainstream of society only as necessary. They are vociferous and volatile in preserving what’s important to them. The wishes of by far the biggest group, the long established native British, are simply overlooked or ignored. Is it wrong for me to want to preserve what I, and probably many people, value? No, but if we are not to be drowned out by the clamour of others, we must say so. I seek to do so in a measured but forthright way.
“July 2015 sees the 10th anniversary of the London bombings, carried out by home grown terrorists…”
We have no idea who perpetrated these attacks, since no hard forensic evidence has ever been presented to support the official account of things.
“How was it that a 17 year old … And what of the three sisters and their nine children? … to entice them to decamp to the hellhole of Syria”
We have no idea if these people went overseas or are buried in a forest somewhere on the UK.
The stories that the UK media feeds us are generally lies designed to perpetuate a brutal establishment political agenda.
Notwithstanding, I absolutely agree that anyone who can not fit in with UK culture shouldn’t come to the UK.
And I believe that not trying to fit in with UK culture should be sufficient cause for deportation and revocation of a passport.
Brutal establishment political agenda? Buried in a forest?? You have to be kidding.
These disloyal defectors and their situations are handled with delicate establishment kid gloves, more like. The police grovelled to Muslim families who blamed THEM for their deluded daughters running off to marry beheaders or to act as bomb carriers. We saw footage of them on the journey, from independent news sources. Lord knows how much taxpayers’ money was spent in an attempt find them – why bother?
The three reckless women took their unfortunate children to Saudi Arabia on a pilgrimage and called their husbands from there before travelling on to Syria. Why should the husbands lie about that? Reports of one of the wives being unhappy about bringing her daughters up in England abound. Who in this country can you imagine killing three women and nine children because they wanted to leave? Have a look at the history of ‘honour’ killings – it’s not likely to be the authorities!
Naturally, the family of the 17 year old who got himself killed by joining IS will swear that he was a quiet, shy boy etc, etc. They will have known as much as any parents about the inner life of their teenage son, ie: nothing.
Our ‘brutal establishment’ is so limp-wristed in its responses to those who prefer the IS to the UK that they wouldn’t be able to lift a shovel, let alone bury anyone with it.
You make some excellent points.
My basic point is that the official accounts of major events and/or alleged events are almost always lacking in basic evidentiary support.
I understand that husbands, parents etc say this and that, but we all have our own way of looking at the world, and we all seem to make assumptions about what should and shouldn’t be happening.
At the end of the day, very few people actually know the truth of these instances.
Comments on this site are being censored by the int£lligence services.
Censored? Do you mean monitored? If so, good. It’ll do them good to know how disgruntled, anguished, fearful and sheer bl**^” fed-up we all feel. But shouldn’t they be using their valuable time to monitor the real enemies of this country? It ain’t us!
No I do mean censored. I am sure that it has nothing to do with Brian Otridge but Disqus has obviously been hacked such that key words unless disguised will automatically lead to the comment placed in an “awaiting moderation” that actually never finishes so that the comment is never published. It is all done in the first place by software.
As to who is the enemy — anyone who is not as compliant as the M@instream M£dia would be considered as a potential enemy by the int£lligence services.
Believe me, I agree with you about disqus, or ‘disgust’ as I prefer to call it, the feeling I get whenever it swipes off one of my posts for ‘moderation’, ie: total disappearance. I have posted many a complaint against it on this very website. It’s why I can’t uptick views I agree with, because it immediately demands I sign up to disqus, which I refuse to do. And yet I’m still being pestered and besieged by it.
I have tried so hard to get rid of it, but unlike most online ‘services’ it doesn’t have an ‘unsubscribe’ button and one has to go through torturous procedures to shake it off. I got caught again when I posted to a local newspaper (in support of a fellow Ukipper) which barred my comment unless I signed up to disqus. It’s a web parasite.
However, I’m not sure about the censorship idea, because there is inconsistency in its moderation/disappearing trick. For example, I’ve written things which I’ve thought , “Bet that one is swiped”, yet nothing happens. On other occasions, what seems like a perfectly innocuous post is whisked away.
My guess is that it’s all done via an incompetent, moronic computer that reacts to some things and not others. It has no sense of proportion or judgement, but operates chaotically while some lazy, greedy humans make money out their ham-fisted censorship set-up. If anyone knows anything about it and how to get rid of it, I’d be grateful to hear. Hope you get to read this!
Yep just happened to me. I was explaining how eezlamb ifiltrates the host country by building mosks and training geehardists through them.
PS have changed spelling of certain words and so far this comment is through. You might be right about mod software…
I left UKIP before the election this year – joined in 2004 because, the party elite kicked out or otherwise silenced anyone who dared say what they thought and it was critisised by the liberal Left ( I may also have disageed but thought free speech was the way to decide party policy). We need someone like you and the author to be in position of power in UKIP nad not the well paid, ambitious, exTories who seem to have taken over. Though I am surprised that this article has seen the light of day on this website.
I agree with your analysis Constip, but we are now post election and whatever and however UKIP is now peopled; it is a whole new ball game.
My only requirement of UKIP is that they contribute to a successful campaign which results in BRexit within the next few years (i.e.before 2020)
This will only be achieved on a cross political basis – to me until BRexit UKIP .will exist in two guises.
Pre-Brexit and Post -.BRexit
They will not necessarily be the same entities
I cannot guess what political character UKIP will assume after BRexit (and will be surprised if I am still here to see it)
The reference to the tenth anniversary, refers to something that all the evidence points to being a f@lse fl@g.
Even as you wrote this article, a terrorist suspect was being accorded his ‘human rights’ not to wear an electronic tag because he claims to believe it’s a bomb. Why hasn’t he been deported to Somalia where he belongs? Why are the British people’s human rights not to live in fear with terrorists in their midst not being respected or enforced? When will the PTB in this country exercise a little bit of vision and foresee that their weakness and constant appeasement are storing up really big trouble for the future? I applaud you for expressing the frustrations, anger and sheer incredulity that we feel every single day.
OK he can’t wear a tag, two other things to do put him in Jail( which again will be against his human rights or deport him. His choice.
The real “enemy within” is the political class that consistently and spinelessly panders to minorities. The same political class that wishes to continue to cede sovereignty to the EU.
This is true: many weak and myopic politicians over many decades have contributed to the dismal situation that today’s equally spineless politicians have to deal with. After the last war they allowed our country to be massively invaded by people from backward countries with alien religions and values. While that was happening they gave the country away to a foreign dictatorship that doesn’t allow us to decide who comes into it – anyone who has acquired an EU passport is entitled to walk in.
And we mustn’t forget the warmonger Blair who was warned by countless experts on the Middle East that invading ME countries would bring down on our heads a backlash of terrorism. I felt safer in the Cold War years than I do now.
But the real enemy within are the ungrateful and disloyal descendants of those ambitious immigrants who came to this country of their own free will to find work and prosper. These 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants seem to think because they were born here, this country belongs to them. Some of them have even expressed ambitions to take over and fly the black flag of Islam over 10 Downing Street and Buckingham Palace. I have heard them boast that all the sons and daughters of their opponents in this country will live under Islam in the future. These are the statements of avowed enemies within who seek others to join them. We have no idea of their number.
Please note this article shouldn’t be under my name. I didn’t write it!
As explained in my mail to you, apologies, quickly corrected. All down to using a cheap laptop (that drives me up the wall) while away from home.
“I`m not sure it helps”
If you mean by that it`s a bit too “Enoch” maybe you are right, but as a follow up to Cameron`s first dipping of a toe in the water it is necessary that the case is a bit more fleshed out with chapter and verse.
Personally, I went along with Nigel`s first enunciation of “the enemy within”, I think having re-created the phrase a while ago myself on the lamented “old forum”.
I can understand an attitude amongst a collective Muslim community of denial and defence against criticism in any form of their religion, just as I can understand it of aspects of many other forms of religion; but it can never excuse wilful “criminal”(?) denial which can only lead to collective culpability.
So tut-tutting is no longer an option, more positive exposure and excision must be set in motion
Helps what? The situation? – should we all suffer in silence, then? Silence is the enemy of truth. Silence allowed thousands of white girls in several places in the UK to go on suffering at the hands of sexist, racist abusers. Silence has allowed a toxic multiculturalism to flourish, creating inward-looking communities that think they are a law unto themselves. This breeds contempt for women and the resultant abuses of muslim women’s rights under British law; it also breeds the contempt for this country that results in terrorism and traitors.
We should express our dismay and disapproval openly until our spineless politicians get the idea, stop praising Islam as a religion of peace, and make it clear that anyone who lives here must be loyal to this country above all things. Anyone who can’t stomach that is perfectly free to leave at once. I’ll say one thing for those three muslim women who took all their children off to Syria: they disliked living in the UK and went. I feel sorry for their children, but at least we’ve been spared their growing up as potential terrorists inspired by their mothers. None should be allowed to return and this also should apply for the hundreds of others who left Britain to join IS.
I understand the feelings of frustration which prompted the article, but I think they are directed at the wrong target. Of course, some of the things that young Muslims do are disgraceful, but they are also illegal. It is disgraceful that girls are being groomed and raped, but it is even more disgraceful that nothing has been done about it. In their own societies, Muslims take very good care that their girls don’t get into trouble. In fact they allow them very little freedom.
They find themselves in a society where we do not seem to care what happens to our girls and they react accordingly. Of course that doesn’t excuse them. But there is a simple solution, which some comments above suggest, which is that the law should have been vigorously enforced, and known to be vigorously enforced. I think the article may tend to stir up feelings against Muslims in general. That won’t help. What we have to do is to make them respect us.
‘…but it is even more disgraceful that nothing has been done about it’. Fully agree. It’s a stain on this country and the judge-led enquiry has yet to begin business.
“In fact they allow them very little freedom”. Words like ‘oppress’, ‘subjugate’, ‘restrict’ and ‘imprison’ are four of many similar words that spring to mind.
‘…the law should have been vigorously enforced…’ Fully agree, as it still should be.
‘What we have to do is to make them respect us.’ Seriously? MAKE them respect us? Fully disagree. We do not always conduct ourselves to best advantage but we are what we are. It is not for us to run around adjusting to them or restricting our way of life simply for fear of upsetting any one of a huge number of their sensitivities.
Hello Richard, you’ve certainly set off a discussion and I’m glad you decided to join in.
Yes, we do have to make them respect us but I don’t mean that we have to adapt ourselves to their values. Quite the opposite.
We should (of course) make no concessions to Sharia Law, but Muslims will respect our laws if they have teeth. Muslims do not respect us, in fact they despise us, because they judge us by the soft standards of our courts, our police and our media.
In an Islamic country, crime is not tolerated. In an Islamic country, rape is likely to be a capital offence. In some Islamic countries, crimes are punished with ferocious, uncivilized penalties. We are a civilized country – which has its attractions even to a Muslim – but increasingly we do not punish crime at all. That’s why they don’t respect us. That’s what we need to change.
I agree. Here, the law is supposed to apply to everyone equally and be administered without fear or favour but it has become apparent in recent years the concept is dead. Sentences are risible, everyone has rights but no responsibilities and some segments of society, not least Muslim, seem to get preferential treatment. British justice is in disrepute and routinely undermined by human rights’ decisions. I can sense the disrespect felt by others.
Probably the only way we could make them respect us is by inflicting the kinds of punishments that Sharia law imposes in muslim countries: a few floggings here, a hand lopped off there.
The very fact that they CHOSE to come to this country is reason enough to require them to feel and show respect for its people, laws, language, cultural heritage and democracy. If I found myself in a country I didn’t like, respect, or want to raise my children in, my solution would be to go back to my country of origin or somewhere I felt more at home. It certainly wouldn’t be my right to demand this, demand that and expect that the country should change itself to fit in with my customs and beliefs. It would be criminal to side with that country’s enemies and encourage others to do the same. Time to bring back charges of treason with life imprisonment for anyone with a British passport who commits it.
There is an absurd paradox at play here. Individuals born in the safety and stability of a modern western European country have forsaken the security and opportunities it provides and willingly traded it for the danger, depredations and death of a Middle Eastern war zone. Yet from Middle Eastern war zones we now see many who risk drowning to fleeing the danger, depredations and death to seek the safety, stability, security and opportunities afforded by modern western European countries. Absurd or what?
“make them respect us”
Yes the law should have been enforced but they should respect people as a matter of course. Your attitude strikes me as being very close to the ‘oh dear it is awful but we can’t upset anyone’ hand wringing to be found in the Guardian. We are way past the point for such niceties, the necessary corrections are going to be painful and sorting out the supposed sheep and goats in the Islamic community is something we frankly can’t do. As an example, one Anjem Choudary was quite a playboy in his earlier days apparently, in and out of nightclubs etc. Look how he has turned out.
The feelings against Muslims are already stirred up and this article simply gives expression to them – why shouldn’t it? We’re tired of their apologists and ‘Islam is a religion of peace’ nonsense. Al Quaeda, 9/11/01, 7/7/05, Drummer Rigby, Boko Haram, Mumbai, Charlie Hebdo, IS, defectors to IS, hundreds more horrific incidents at home and abroad in which mass killings and maimings have taken place, plus countless cases of attacks being forestalled by Intelligence services and would-be terrorists arrested. Abu Hamza, Anjem Choudry and other hateful rabble-rousers in mosques have been allowed to stir Muslims up The last 15 years alone are an object lesson in what this religion stands for, while the authorities and Muslim supporters try to make us believe that black is white and green is no colour at all.
What would help are some indications from the government that this country has had enough of the enemy within, that they are skating on very thin ice, that British passports of traitors will be revoked, that if you go to join our enemies abroad, don’t even think of coming back unless you want life in prison.
Of course, as soon as Cameron makes the mildest suggestion to the Muslim ‘community’ that they need to look critically at themselves, an immediate wail of rage and ‘Not fair!’ goes up.
We need to show we mean business, maybe they’ll respect us then.
You obviously don’t understand izlam or have read the koran. The whole aim of izlam is to dominate the world with sharia law through global geehad, commanded and controlled at mosks. All funded by sawdi arabia.
“In their own societies, Muslims take very good care their girls don`t get into trouble.In fact they allow them very little freedom”
Yes but that is part of the trouble, as revealed on “file on four” (BBC radio) a few months ago, some of the treatment accorded their children and womenfolk , behind closed doors, follows closely that handed out to white girls in the community – ref Rotherham etc. and this comes from parents, relatives and close friends and is nor respecter of age.
I`m not saying all are “at it”, but where there is this “Purdah” that exists,do we wonder at the existence of “obedient”, cowed and frightened women – this applies to secular as well as Muslim women)
I urge you to look at “File on Four” a Sunday evening programme about 5pm. (perhaps somebody more experienced than me could capture it and put it on here)
A very well written article…It deserves a wider audience because it will resonate in every non muslim British mind.
Very true Rob, but why is it, that it takes a UKIP site to publish it? I see there is a disclaimer at the top, but articles like this, however true, are sure to bring flack,
The subject needs to be addressed and discussed, by all parties represented in Parliament, if as you say, it will resonate in every non muslim mind..