David Davis resigns – about time, too!
Yesterday evening, the Brexit Minister David Davis resigned – finally, and about time, too!
It is extraordinary how Ms May’s Remain Cabinet and the Metro-Elite in Westminster and the MSM – remainers all – still think they can get away with their contempt for us, with their disregard of our vote. In his letter to Ms May (full letter here) Mr Davis finally says out loud what we’ve been saying for some time – that this is a sell-out of our country.
I’ve been writing again and again about the pernicious influence of the Whitehall Mandarins on the Brexit negotiations. It was there for all to see, but it took well over a year until the first tentative observations about civil servants blocking Brexit were made by Tory Brexiteers. The final straw was when Ms May established a parallel ‘Brexit’ set-up in her cabinet, by installing the civil servant (unelected, btw) Ollie Robbins as her ‘Brexit Negotiator’. If proof were needed that Ms May was going to keep us in, by hook and by crook, then that was it. But Davis, the Brexiteers in the Cabinet, Tory MPs were all supine and kept quiet.
Mr Davis ought to have resigned there and then. He didn’t.
Meanwhile we were suddenly treated in the MSM to leaks from ‘Brussels insiders’ on a regular basis, undermining our Brexit negotiators. The cherry on the cake was when we read in a couple of sentences here and there in the run-up to the Chequers shenanigans that Ms May actually showed her proposals to Madame Merkel – before she showed them to her own Cabinet! Of course, after that Chequers shindig that fact, which should have had the whole Cabinet resign, drifted into gentle oblivion …
Since when does our PM have to ask the German Chancellor to agree to policies before she informs her cabinet!
While many have been and are writing letters to the MSM and to their MPs, May and remainers are blithely going on their merry way back to the EU. Yesterday in the Sunday Telegraph we were ‘treated’ to an unspeakable “article” by arch-remainer Philip Hammond and Chris Grayling. As an exercise in unprincipled political PR speak it surely takes the proverbial! Not even the NHS is left out …
Meanwhile, the Tory Brexit figurehead Jacob Rees-Mogg writes in today’s Telegraph that “The reins of Brexit have been handed to those who never wanted to leave” – yes, well, I’m glad he finally noticed! We’ve been saying so for some time, but then we’re the uncouth, xenophobic etc etc Kippers who should’ve curled up and died in 2016 already. Rees-Mogg writes at the end of his article:
“These proposals now go to the EU, which may reject them. However, as it is alleged that they were hawked around the Continental chancelleries before being shown to ministers – which, if true, would be a constitutional impropriety – it is possible that they are already agreed in outline. After that, they must come before Parliament where there will be a “meaningful“ vote and legislation. Although I await further details, if the proposals are as they currently appear I will vote against them, and others may well do the same. I note that any government that wins major votes on the back of opposition support against the known will of its electors and members never succeeds.”
Well enough – but what is he going to do about it? How come he and all the other mighty Brexit-Tory minds still keep Ms May in power? Is it really the fear of a Corbyn Government should there be a General Election? Some of us have long had the impression that this is precisely what many Tories want …
But let’s ask another question: hasn’t this whole spectacle, from Cameron’s despicable resignation on June 24th 2016 to this day shown that Westminster Village, from 10 Downing Street to Whitehall to the MSM and the Islington Dinner circuit, is dominated by traitors to this country? Prove it ain’t so, Mr Rees-Mogg! Have the courage of your convictions and stop following Ms May in what is called “Nibelungentreue”. The Jesuits preach a similar attitude.
And why not make a legal challenge – what’s sauce for Gina Miller surely is sauce for Brexiteers! Engage Mr Martin Howe QC, whose legal analysis of the Chequers agreement is a must-read, especially his points No 8 and 9 – read the whole thing here. So we don’t have a Soros to finance such challenge, but surely there are still some ‘Brexit millionaires’ who’d help, and surely we have the better legal minds on our side!
Has it really come to this – that we must now rely on Brussels to reject even this feeble Chequers document to get us a ‘No deal’ Brexit? The noises coming out of Brussels are, as predicted, negative (see e.g. here). They’ll be asking for a few more pounds of flesh, knowing full well that May and Ollie will give it to them. Not even the great appeaser Neville Chamberlain would have asked Hitler if it was ok to fulfil Great Britain’s Treaty obligations in regard to Poland!
So what can we do?
Get your branch chairmen to do as Gerard has asked: put up candidates for the GE which is now surely coming! Prepare for battle – now! Prepare in all constituencies. Welcome all those Brexit Tories who’ve already left their Party. This is about our country, this is about our vote, the vote of 17.4 million people. This is about stopping the sell-ou!
Even winning the Football World Cup, should that happen, cannot make up for the Grand Betrayal May and the Remainers are serving up.
I think we need to print out in full Boris’s speech. Chapter and verse are Given in a readablt summary of Mays perfidy,treachery, andself serving double dealing. In Las Vegas she’d have been shot.
Back in the day, UKIP had a members Forum where we could all vent our thoughts.
I got on everyone’s, whenever someone thought it worthwhile to negotiate with Tories on, say, standing down in a seat where a brexiteer was entrenched. I discouraged this behaviour because the Tories can be trusted about as far as I can throw a campaign battlebus.
I continually told everybody, Whatever you do, DON’T TRUST ANY TORIES. They will cheat, they will lie, they will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to make sure that somehow, some way, at the end of the day, we ended up staying in the EU. They are driven by a Prime Directive which is the SURVIVAL OF THE TORY PARTY. If this was not the case I cannot believe Andrea Ledsom not being PM now. THAT would have split the PCP because it was going to the membership for the vote, and the owners of the Tory Party (CBI members or someone) weren’t going to let that happen. They found a way to make it look like Andrea wanted to step down, by some persuasion. God knows how they did it, but they’re bloody good at it, the Tory Dirty Tricks Department. Yeah yeah, I’m a conspiracy buff right? But look at Andrea now – she’s hardly a shrinking violet, she would have made a good PM and stood up to the EU and we’d be on the way with trade deals with proper countries by now. Funny how with all the talks about tory party splits over the decades, they never actually end up splitting, do they??
Seriously guys, do you really want anything to do with a shower of self-satisfied monsters who will without a seconds thought SACRIFICE Great Britain and the proven wishes of its people, in order to keep the quarterly returns of a few FTSE 100 corporations healthy and stop their precious ruddy party having to rearrange itself???
To those who remember me saying it when you said Oh but there are some you can trust, well, I Told You So.
Totally right Rob. I have a cunning plan you might like to know more about, drop me a line at june23rd2016@gmail.com
In May’s unnecessary snap election in 2017, as UKIP Regional Chairman I did my best to deploy our (limited) resources in London against the many Remainer MPs, giving Tory Brexiteers (and Kate Hoey) pretty much a free ride. There were a couple of exceptions to this, where our participation could not conceivably endanger a Brexiteer incumbent or challenger.
Contrary to initial suggestions to the contrary, the Tories conceded us nothing, and threw everything including the kitchen sink at their campaigns in our two target constituencies. The result is that a Labour Remainer retained one of the seats.
NEVER TRUST A TORY.
Couldn’t agree more with this comment!
Anyone member of the Labour Conservative or Liberal Democrat parties, who are loyal to the British electorate and therefore our country and have any moral standing, should be leaving those Parties. Those Parties have all been complicit in treason, and appear to be still in denial of who they work for.
There can be no exceptions!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/986315/Brexit-news-UK-EU-Jacob-Rees-Mogg-Theresa-May-Channel-4-News-European-Union
Note the response of support to the PM but against policy?? Even those who we may admire are in denial of their duty and their Parties duty to the British Electorate. Is there a more serious crime than for a politician to deceive the electorate, excluding murder?
The Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat Parties should not be encouraged or collaborated with in any way!
You cannot make friends of them or ask ‘favours’ of them. Many of them should be prosecuted for treachery.
What was the PM talking to Merkle about before the Chequers meeting?
The words I’ve been posting capital letters all over Twitter over and over again are NEVER TRUST A TORY. And that will be in letters ten feet tall on the next poster truck.
This wretched Olly Robbins is yet another clueless PPE graduate, and IMO even looks very stupid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Robbins
Naturally, the twerp has never had a proper job.
This quisling must be dragged out of the shadows wherein he lurks and subject to the full glare of public scrutiny for what he has wrought.
Even Keith Vaz MP found Robbins evasive…. my irony meter has gone off the scale.
Surely the point is that Ollie Robbins, like the Brussels bureaucrats, is unelected. We who pay him cannot hold him to account. He, like the other modern civil repents populating Whitehall, can in the end, when everything has gone disastrously wrong, hide behind the well-known “I’ve only followed orders” excuse. After all, that’s what the Mandarin ethos is: to do what their Ministers tell them to … (one wonders if any of the current lot have actually watched ‘Yes Minister’ and ‘Yes, Prime Minister’). They should remember that this sort one excuse doesn’t work any longer, not since Nuremberg …
Paul Joseph Watson’s video attacking Theresa May, and including a nice swipe at Ollie Idiot Robbins is on 147,000 views in less than 24 hours. Whereas Gerard’s ‘garden’ video is on 8600. https://youtu.be/k4YAvGJ8Kmk
Early days. I guess PJW already had a substantial following whereas GB has only recently set out on that path. Give him chance to catch up.
Silly idea Viv, but how about UKIP Daily starting and advertising a fund from Kippers to donate to to start a legal challenge? It would centralise the fund raising, and you can report on the progress, and cost to date. Kippers managed to raise £300,000 to save the party, when Gerard had asked for a “mere” £100,000, how much would they be prepared to raise to overturn Theresa May’s Brexit “package”.
Not such a silly idea at all- but a bit back-to-front. We’d need to have names in the first place, i.e. who is raising the challenge? Do we have a UKIP Gina Miller, or Ginus Millerus? Do we want one?
And b) who is the top lawyer we’d want to employ – and would he do it?
We cannot, sadly just go and say “this is a fund for a legal challenge on the May Chequers plan, give us your money” ….
Martin Howe QC was mentioned previously, following his analysis of the Chequers sellout. Perhaps he could be approached. There is also the prospect of using Crowd Funding. Admittedly, they failed to prosecute the Traitor Bliar, but they did their best, may be an option worth considering.
Money should be raised to boost UKIP’s dismal media output and dismal, amateur image,that is where we are hopelessly weak.
Spot on, Russell.
Hear, hear. UKIP totally needs to professionalise. My concern is priorities need to be sorted out. Media or a Brexit challenge? Whatever we do, the MSM will lambast us. The new Lefftie Express now wants “nothing to do with UKIP”
Legal challenge? Mmmm! Do you seriously trust the judiciary?
Mrs May would turn on a sixpence if thousands of Leave supporting Tories threw in their membership cards in disgust at Mrs May’s shennannigans.
The Tory party is going to stuff the ordinary patriotic Tory voter over the next few years anyway. The party will be attempting to outdo the Labour parties committment to the ethnic minorites of Britain.
When will they learn that the Conservative Party is owned by big business and like big business they have no loyalty to the country only to the ‘firm’.
They should jump ship now and get ahead of the loop.
More than I trust the European Courts, which is where Theresa and her cronies are hell bent on taking us.
John I agree that that is where Sharisa would like to take us. But we all knew that there was a chance that she would do this. We had no option but to allow her play her cards. Regarding our judiciary Vs the ECJ at least you know exactly where you stand with the European Court of Justice – all decisions have to further the principle of ‘ever closer union’.
There is no dark side to the EU’s ambitions, there is no conspiracy, everything is up front. It is the fifth columists here in the UK who cannot be trusted – the enemy is definitely within.
… and within UKIP too.
> European Courts, which is where Theresa and her cronies are hell bent on taking us
Stet “taking”. Insert “keeping”.
You might like to watch this video from one of our latest Kippers, Paul Joseph Watson. It’s just been published:
He’s spot on.
FABULOUS
Am I alone in thinking the answer is starring us in the face?
If JRM, bojo and Tory dregs can pull May down, all well and good. But Fk’all to do with Ukip.
Our Nigel is a Tory. Heard him a few weeks ago and gradually was reminded of what 80’s city boy Tory sounded and felt like. (Me 30+ years ago) he’s still huge though.
Mogg and a Tory Farage could reshape the Uk like Thatcher. But our man Gerrard has a big input if he wants it, tell it how it is. For Ukip. Not just Nazi roots, but the whole bloody thing, EU Purpose, Kalergi, Cultural Marxism, COMMON PURPOSE, And especially the last one, and the treachery that has been behind it a long as I have been alive. (65)
IMHO UKIP’s greatest value now is as a cross-Party alliance of people who know we can run better than the old left/right paradigm, who together are facing and fighting an existential crisis to this country’s existence.
Which vast majority still don’t get.
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Most unfortunately, Gerard doesn’t have the charisma of Nigel…but he could succeed where Nigel failed by getting a team of good spokespeople around him, make UKIP efficient and not do the one man band and a pint of beer routine.
I don’t think I have ever felt so angry and frustrated even bordering on violent! What a stitch up – what a dupliitous liar May is. I hope the tories are ground into dust at the next election I just wish we didnt have to wait that long. Nigel is talking about coming back to frontline politics and the bloggers on the DT are overjoyed. Expect UKIPs membership to soar!
I read Farage’s article. So he wants to come back as Leader of UKIP, standing against Gerard next year in March – what good will that do? We’re out one way or another on March 29th! He seems to see UKIP as his personal fiefdom which he can leave or lead according to his will – and never mind us Kippers, we’re just good enough to tramp the streets.
If he wants to fight for Brexit then he must start now, he must support Gerard to the hilt, he must show the solidarity to the present leader he’s expecting from us, yet again, as his due. He can certainly enthuse the masses of Leave voters without being Leader of UKIP – and he must enthuse them now. People and Brexit before Party Leadership, Nigel – else you’re no better than the Tory MPs and ministers.
Sorry – you can all pile on and condemn me now …
Well said Vivian – my thoughts entirely. There is nothing I could possibly add.
I think you’re spot on. Mr Farage keeps on about ‘returning to frontline politics’, he could make a start by doing more ‘talking up’ of UKIP and supporting Batten as leader. He might be limited in what he can say or do while on his LBC show, but certainly outside of that he has a huge following that he should be getting to rally around UKIP at every opportunity he can.
Perhaps as a goodwill gesture, Mr Batten might consider passing the baton (‘scuse the pun!) of party Brexit spokesperson to Nigel, who alongside Mr Batten himself is the most perfectly suitable man for that role?
Condemn you Viv? Not b—-y likely. Establishment wanted UKIP destroyed precisely so Treason May could stitch up Brexit and our Nigel gave them all a grand helping hand every step of the way, from stepping down shortly after Shameron saying his job was done to endorsing the biggest dud leader of a succession of Nigel endorsed duds last summer. Own up folks – how many of you who voted for Bolton would have voted for him without our superhero’s support? (Sorry Paul N, I still think you are a good egg but sadly you didn’t manage to herd us cats well as leader – and Diane, you were stitched up)
So yes, Nigel, start working with we the people ( those well meaning patriots with their sandwiches in their rucksack) and above all with Gerard, who has done more as leader in a few weeks than the duds did in over 18 months. Prove you can lead a team, a movement, a political revolution. For Our Nation
On the contrary. Tonight was the first time Farage acknowledged Batten was leader let alone declare support. Battan should pre-empt Farage and publicly offer him the position of Brexit Spokesperson of the party. If Farage turned it down he would show that his vanity trumped the desire for Brexit – and finish his chances as leader next March. If he takes it then no need to challenge Batten later.
I agree Vivian, UKIP should still use him if possible as he is a great orator and has a huge following but not as UKIP leader because that would be grossly unfair to Gerrard Batten who has had to pick up the pieces left in the wake of Nigel sudden resignation.
I’ll say it again – he should be made party President, as a general spokesman, which he’s so good at. He doesn’t need to be given any power – he doesn’t need any power, just the authority to speak on behalf of the party – his forte. We owe him so much and yes, I know he deserted us but if he wants to come back he should be given the opportunity, but not as leader.
Good idea Debbie, best of both worlds. We don’t want Nigel back with his APPALLING ‘management’ of UKIP, dismal choice of senior staff (all chosen to kowtow and fail). Viv is absolutely right, our nerves can’t take any more ‘stand, resign, unresign, stand…’. If Nigel hadn’t run off to play politics with Trump (he’s an MEP for the South East, that doesn’t include the US) we wouldn’t be in this mess.
And if he were offered the post of president immediately, that would stop him running for leader next year.
Good points, Debbie. If it were not for Gerard Batten’s grit and determination there wouldn’t be a party for Nigel to return to.
No condemnation necessary. He was/is a great spokesman but not a great leader. He left UKIP with enough problems last time he left (“Brexit” not completed, support for Bolton etc.). Why would we want a repeat?
100% agree, Viv!
Just as Ukip under Gerard has pulled itself together is gaining membership along comes Farage and says he will stand against our leader. That will split the party yet again. He has said nothing positive about Ukip for a while and has made it clear in the past he does not like the ordinary members. He has no idea how a political party works and wants cheerleaders bouncing up and down at his appearances not people who can think and want to participate.
Fine if he came back in a spokesman role with a limitation on what he could say. But to make a play for the leadership now just goes to show how he puts his ego before party.
Agree 100%
“…with a limitation on what he could say.” Nice idea but impossible to enforce.
I am listening to Ms May (statement and debate) in the HoC just now.
Fine words from her – but I really would like to know: what is the truth, what is the basis of further negotiations with Brussels: the statement today in the HoC (No freedom of Movement, no customs union, no ECJ) or the points presented (“rule book” etc), fudged and hedged as they were?
I know one thing: M Barnier and Brussels will use the Chequers Fudge.
Strange though to have both Mr John Redwood and Ms Yvette Cooper making the same point from opposite side of the House.
Only time will tell where we go from here. Mrs May says she has spoken to some of the EU leaders about this – we know she was pictured after talking to Mrs Merkel, but does this mean the German Chancellor agrees with her plans?
She’s had the most difficult time getting this proposal through her cabinet; she’s then going to have to get it through the House of Commons and even if she can do that, all the leaders of the EU will have to agree it. That’s a tough ask.
The EU will consider this deal the starting point for further negotiations. Already it breaches the red lines laid down by Verhofstadt and if he starts demanding further concessions, what will Mrs May do? She can’t cede any more .. or can she?
The BBC is reporting that Brexiteers are pressuring Mrs May to drop the Chequers agreement, promising her that if she doesn’t there’ll be another cabinet resignation, and another, and another …
And already letters indicating no confidence in the PM are going in. If the backbench 1922 committee can muster 48 of them, there’ll be a leadership election.
What a mess!
A glorious mess at last, hopefully one that May-Robbins cannot control.
“…after talking to Mrs Merkel”. She should not have been discussing it with the enemy at that time but I do wonder if she was just being given her orders.
I listened to some of her statement and the camera kept focusing on Liam Fox who did not look happy. I would not be surprised if he is the next one to resign. Quite honestly I didn’t believe a word she said.
I thought misleading the House was an offence with pretty drastic penalties depending on the level and nature of the offence. May has been doing it for TWO YEARS, and not just the House but the entire country. And having finally come clean (well, shown how grubby she is) she blithely continues to do so. Either she has no ability to reason and should not be allowed out alone, or she has cognitive dissonance – holding and believing two opposing views at once. Or she just thinks we are all too dim to notice.
According to ‘The Express’ “A European Commission spokesman said the resignation would not impact talks, and that it will continue to negotiate with the British Government.” (referring to David Davis’ resignation)
Well, of course it won’t – it’s the unelected civil servant Ollie Robbins who is the chief negotiator and has been, after stabbing Davis in the back ever since he became Minister for Brexit …
Is this the New Labour Express?
BORIS JOHNSON HAS RESIGNED.
Word is that he has done so to fight the Prime Minister for the leadership.
Hah!
Who’s next? C’mon, Ms Mordaunt, Mr Gove and the rest of the so-called ‘Brexit Tories’ in Cabinet!
Some wag asked somewhere if, should Boris resign, will there actually be a PM able to greet Mr Trump on Thursday?
Perhaps the rest will time their moves for Wednesday, while the rest of the nation is distracted by the football? 😉
I still can’t get over the fact that the Chequers paper was shown to Mrs Merkel, by our own PM, before she gave it to that Cabinet meeting at Chequers. Did no-one on the Cabinet think it worthwhile to censure her for that?
I mean – she’d not hand her defence spending plan to Trump before she gave it to the Cabinet, would she!
I’ve given up asking why the MSM don’t even regard this as important – for them and for the Remainers it apparently doesn’t matter anyway, they’re fine with being ruled by Berlin and Brussels.
How i despise them!
And this shows how our dear EU ‘negotiators’ regard us Brexiteers:
“‘Rats leaving the sinking ship’, Brussels predicts ‘flight of the Brexiteers’ after David Davis quits” – see here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/09/rats-leaving-sinking-ship-brussels-predicts-flight-brexiteers/
Words fail me ….
Well said Viv. It’s war…it always has been. Who believed that after the Referendum the Tories would really deliver?
We’ve seen quite a few people leave UKIP and join the Tories, one wrote to me on Friday saying ‘I feel such a fool’. But the biggest fool of all must be Nigel Farage. A few well chosen words in his ear from the Tories and he dumped UKIP (again). More than ANYONE in politics, he was the one with the gun to Theresa May’s head but was talked out of it, deserted his troops, went off to flirt with Donald Trump which was NOT part of his brief as an MEP for the South East. That was NOT what an MEPs salary is paid for. Trump may/may not be the best thing since sliced bread but Nigel’s job (it’s what he was voted in for and paid for) was fighting the evil of Brussels.
Nigel chipping in from the sidelines or LBC is all fine and dandy but the ONLY thing the Tories/Labour/DimLibs ever understand is raw power, the electoral threat, losing seats…and by walking away from UKIP, Nigel threw it all away. The result of 380 votes in the recent Lewisham by election, behind the ‘Women’s Equality’ party, was the ultimate insult and wake up call – but I don’t detect much waking up…yet.
Indeed, Russell – has he actually called for people to join UKIP on his LBC radio show?
Not that I am aware of, he’s become quite bland on LBC, a fence sitter. I know I’m not going to be popular criticising Nigel in some quarters but look at the very clear evidence.
Extremely popular with me, Russell! 😘
Eleven out of ten !
Thanks!
He doesn’t want to enthusiastically support a party led by a man who actually supports reining in islam in this country because that’s racist. Whatever that word means. Let me google it and get back to y’all.
History will never forgive us if we don’t defend our descendents from a horrible future. And the writing IS on the wall. You’d have to be blind deaf stupid and historically illiterate not to see it. It is still feasible to get real brexit, control of borders and reinstate UK law as the ONLY law of the land.
100% right
From what I have listened to he, Nigel Farage, is more mute about UKIP than J R-M is on LBC.
That’s not good – not unexpected but not good at all.
Well, better mute than sneering, I suppose …
Peter Hitchens was campaigning to destroy the Useless Tories over a decade ago, and nobody took a blind bit of notice. Some of us were going around saying the Tories were the main stumbling block to leaving the EU but again nobody listened. Well I say to all those who refused to listen, that they’ve got what they voted for. They can’t say they weren’t warned.
I’m not remotely surprised at this outcome, I expected it.
I was a Tory member prior to ‘Cammoron’ and was quite convinced that David Davies would win until the dirty tricks department entered the contest. When ‘Cammoron’ won I resigned and joined UKIP where through thick and thin, I intend to stay. May was shoehorned into No. 10 because the Tory EUSSR fanatics knew full well that she would deliver the goods to keep us hog tied to their failing dictatorial project, purely for the vast £Billions we are forced to contribute to their ponzi scheme. Nigel would be an asset to UKIP to counter DisMay but not as leader and if he returns it should be made very plain that he is subordinate to Gerald so that his good work of improving UKIP is not jeopardised.
No surprises about the tory sell out. The only surprise is that anyone is surprised.
Gove was a journalist for the times at a time when it was an ultra-blairite paper (it still is BTW). So how could anyone expect any backbone from him?
Looks like I’ll need another T-shirt with a D-DAY 9 July 2018 logo!
Following the D Davis announcement, and the programme changes just before midnight to cover it, Midnight News:
– ITV – led with D Davis – Russia Today – Football – Bbc – DD 3rd on news
Bet the bbc is kicking itself for missing ‘discord in the conservative party’ opportunity.
Meanwhile this morning Victoria Uglyshire has been trying hard to get conservative mps to say our Brexiteer Prime Minister should go.
LADBROKES
NO CONFIDENCE VOTE CALLED IN 2018?
1922 Committee No Conf vote triggered
– Yes 4/7 – No 13/10
SPECIALS
‘Brexit Deal’ = A withdrawal agreement under Article 50(2), approved by The Council of the European Union & UK Government
No Brexit Deal To Be Agreed Before 1st April 2019 Evens
Another UK EU Referendum before end 2019 5/2
Uk to be full member of EU on 1st Jan 2020 3/1
Next Conservative Party Leader
Temporary or Caretaker leaders do not count.
– Michael Gove 7/2 – Sajid Javid 5/1 – Jacob Rees-Mogg 6/1
The last one is the most difficult for me to understand regarding sell out Gove. Perhaps the betting money still refers to before the before D-Day.
AND WHO IS THE GRAMPIAN UKIP CONTACT?
While we ponder what David Davis’ resignation means for the Tory party and by extension for Brexit, there’s one question which we really ought to shout from the rooftops:
how come that a civil servant, Ollie Robbins, was the de-facto Brexit negotiator for May?
How come that the Cabinet and indeed the Tory Brexit MPs seem to have let that go by the wayside, and are still not demanding that May sack him?
It seems that Parliament and indeed our democracy has become the playball of the Whitehall Mandarins – and we’re doing nothing about it.
Seems like many want to be elected representatives of the people so that they can dominate their own ideology. Being shackled to the EU. British people are known to be a tolerant nation, but how long for with this Betrayal from this present Government?
I’m reminded of Kipling:
It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late
With long arrears to make good,
When the English began to hate.
They were not easily moved,
They were icy-willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the English began to hate.
Their voices were even and low,
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show,
When the English began to hate.
It was not preached to the crowd,
It was not taught by the State.
No man spoke it aloud,
When the English began to hate.
It was not suddenly bred,
It will not swiftly abate,
Through the chill years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.
I wonder what that date will be.
Soon!
I’m there already!
Am loath to post from Guido’s site on here, however here is a list, including Ed de Minckwitz who was at the Chequers deal day.
https://order-order.com/tag/spad/
That site is a total mess; afraid I can’t be bothered trawling through it.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Ollie Robbins is a Common Purpose graduate.
Lead header from their own website states: “We develop leaders who can cross boundaries”
Now their website makes everything sound flashy, innocuous and ‘innocent’, but from what I’ve read about this organisation, “crossing boundaries” can equally refer to these ‘leaders’ going beyond their authority, and ignoring ‘traditional’ power structures, in order to carry out their programming, sorry! “Training”.
One only has to look at how much power has transferred from government, whether at national or local level, into the hands of unelected ‘bodies’ and organisations, they used to be called ‘quangos’.
Same seems to be applying with the amount of power and influence the civil service appears to have.
Don’t speculate, find out.
The only good thing that Bliar accomplished was the Freedom of Information Act 2000. His motive was probably drumming up business for the Wicked Witch’s law firm, but that doesn’t matter.
Put in an FoI request re this Ollie to the Head of the Civil Service (yes, I know!) questioning whether he has ever attended a Common Purpose course, and if so, when, what was the subject(s) and who paid.
Can we ask if Mrs May came away from her meeting with Mrs Merkel, with a requirement that led David Davis to resign?
Might that have been that the UK must continue to follow the EU rule book if it wants to continue trading freely with the EU?
So who is really is driving Mrs May’s agenda, because it does not seem to be the 408 constituencies which voted to leave the EU.
Good question! It’s beyond me why even the Tory Brexiteers are so busy overlooking the scandal that is Ms May showing her proposals to Ms Merkel before she submitted them to her Cabinet!
It couldn’t be that they are also in reality ‘BINOs’ (Brexit-in-name-only) and have draped the Brexit cloak over themselves to stay elected as MPs?
Good article Viv and interesting times to come. We need to turn our anger into action at every opportunity. The (lack of) reaction from the Tory Brexiteers is pathetic.
Thanks Viv for the article and the interesting notes on loyalty,
Norman’s comment is not shocking either, 40% approval for the PM May betrayal.
The voting public, like a loyal dog, are in large wedded to the corpse of the ConLabL-DG bloc.
The UKIP website is the thermometer indicator for UKIP’s health
I look at UKIP.org news.
“Poland must not tolerate EU threats over EU migrant quotas – UKIP Leader Gerard Batten MEP”
I find the hidden link to campaign videos and the latest GB speech has 1,400 views.
The public must be persuaded to join and vote for UKIP in numbers that take us pass the tipping point (double the size of the peak 4 million votes ?) to achieve a sizeable presence in Westminster.
To do that the UKIP party, as many others have said on here, needs to use the talent that is already in the party.
One honourable man in the Cabinet, Who would have thought it? I’m surprised. The best comment I saw after May’s betrayal but before this latest twist was, referring to a disappointed Tory voter, “I’m disappointed that you’re surprised.”
What I don”t understand is that in the latest poll the Tories have dipped but Labour and the LibDems have gained. The country is going to hell in a handcart under both the Tories and Labour. It will just happen more quickly under Labour, but the end result will be the same, Under the Tories, white British babies are going to be a minority among those born in 2021; white babies will be a minority in 2028. Britain’s Muslims have been doubling their numbers every 13 years since the 1981 census, under both Tories and Labour. At 40% of the population in 2057 (2018+3*13) they will have a majority of MPs for the Labour/Islamic party. Things will carry on getting worse for the indigenous population as long as people keep voting LibLabCon.
A general election looks much more likely this morning. I hope to see, if not a coalition of Brexit parties, at least agreement to stand only one Brexit candidate in each constituency.
All the Brexit MPs have to do is threaten to resign from the Tories and join a Brexit Party by Monday at noon.
Bring the EU Tory Government down and rebuild conservatism in the vision of Brexiters not liberal PC clones beholden to vested interests in the CBI and the Law Society.
Totally agree Viv. And I’ll bet that the EU negotiators will treat this document as a ‘basis for negotiation’ as they always do, and demand more and more blood from we Brits.
It was appalling that the Prime Minister showed her plans to European leaders before even bringing it to her cabinet, let alone to Parliament. Just whose side is she on? We’ve always known that she was a Remainer, despite her constant promise that ‘Brexit means Brexit’. I guess her idea of Brexit is not the same as many of 17.4 million voters. It’s certainly not the same as mine.
We can only hope now that Jacob Rees-Mogg can muster enough support for a leadership challenge to the Prime Minister. If she loses that, will she quit or call a General Election? Grumpyashell, below, is quite right – we could well be in for a snap GE and we must be prepared because we will be the only party fighting for a good clean Brexit and we could well be inundated with requests for membership.
Indeed, Debbie – but beware: it may well come to pass that the Tory party, should they give May the push, won’t elect a Brexiteer ‘replacement but will go for Sayid Javid, the current Home Sec.
I also would no longer put it past the remain Tories to do their best to get Corbyn into 10 Downing Street just so they can have their 2nd referendum and keep us in the EU – and never mind giving him free rein to turn us into the Venezuela of the North …
Viv – that sounds horribly par for the course.
If Javid is ever made PM then that alone is sufficient reason for an uprising against government. It will be seen by the invader as handing control of the country over to them. I am convinced now that Cameron’s hope for a Muslim (the only group that fits his “British Asian” description sometimes quoted although I’m sure the original quote used “Muslim”) was far more than a hope.
The enemy is surely gaining confidence when we look at his recent actions and becoming more dangerous by the day.
With increasing Muslim gaining positions as Mayors, and the prospect of one becoming leader and PM, when will voters wake up?
You’re expecting the Tories to act with honour.
Expect the worst.
BMW, Airbus and Merkel run the country. May and the Tories are merely tax collectors and EU law rubber stampers.
Old Etonians Rees-Mogg and Johnson will not arise to protect the legitimacy of the Brexit vote.
It’s class first, old school tie first, party first, personal ambition first and the British people last.
Rees-Mogg, Johnson and Gove will play the long game and are leading us, with Labour, LibDems and SNP, to a second referendum after calling a GE they know they’ll lose.
Correction.
Boris jumped out of the Foreign Office but not out of the Tories.
Halfway there BoJo.
> Airbus and Merkel run the country.
> Boris jumped out of the Foreign Office but not out of the Tories.
Boris jumping out of an Airbus would be perfectly acceptable to me, provided he wasn’t carrying anything made of nylon or silk.
The man’s a shameless opportunist who isn’t motivated by doing what’s best for Britain, only what he assesses is most likely to place him in Number 10.
All my constituency’s three MP*s, one deceased, one former and one current, are or would be horrified at what Treason May has perpetrated…
Those three MPs are:
Sir Winston Churchill
Lord Norman Tebbit
The Rt Hon. Iain Duncan Smith (IDS)
I can’t even begin to imagine how this vile and unnecessary mess will turn out but I think it’ll turn out to be a no win situation for the British people and probably by design.
In most western countries now, democracy has become about making sure the electorate have no good choices, just more of the same dressed up in different colours.
Sharisa May or whoever replaces her against nut job Corbyn, what a grim choice, UKIP really needs to pull out all the stops on this one, the consequences of failure just don’t bear thinking about.
I think Britain is in for a difficult week as this latest governmental betrayal and incompetence intensifies to be topped of by a visit by Donald Trump, as much as I’m glade he’s coming, I’m very sure it’ll end up in a punch up.
I’ve got a horrible feeling that this is all just a taste of things to come.
What an appalling situation!
Bravo Viv!!!!!!
I thought the reason for the Chequers capitulation was that preparation for a “No Deal” was insufficient, both in quality and certainly timewise, which obviously was the reason for traitor May`s delaying tactics all along.
Poll reported in the Mail this morning ( on-line Con/ Home ) 31% thought the deal was good 8% had no clue. Elsewhere only 4 out of 10 thought it was a bad deal! Make of that what you will.
May now is in real trouble who does she put into the job that Davis held….if she puts in a remainer,the betrayal gets bigger and if she wants to put in a leaver,who would want to take it…it is a poisoned chalice,as you would know that you would be undermined by May as soon as you were in the job…the government crumbles before our eyes. Be ready for an election,it is coming .
She is in deep trouble – but so is the Tory Party.
Note well how all potential contenders for her job – Gove, Leadsom, Rees-Mogg – are painting themselves as being ever so supportive of dear Ms May, so that they won’t be seen as back-stabbers.
I’ve long suspected Rees-Mogg of standing for himself only: his principled attitude for Brexit hasn’t made him take the necessary step which Davis, finally, at long last, took.
I am engaging with Tory Brexiteers, some who think naively, that a Brexiteers will take the place of TMay. But of course the majority of Tory MPs are remainers and they awill only vote for that, IF they see a bigger risk to their political careers.
After Chequers, many on FB ask what do we do next? My response is below.
“544 MPs (84%) voted for a referendum and 408 (62.8%) constituencies voted to leave the EU. Over 80% of people then voted for parties whose manifestos committed them to respect the referendum outcome.
But sadly TMay led us into the Article 50 trap, which was set up by the EU and which allows them to drive the agenda. There is nothing in A50 requires us to pay an exit fee, but she has agreed to pay £39bn, although we still don’t know what the UK gets in exchange for that.
The Withdrawal Act means that the UK will no longer HAVE to comply with EU regulation. Despite that, TMay is preparing to sign up to treaties, which will leave us as rule takers for a long time to come.
So pulling the UK fully out of the EU pit is going to take much longer than it should have done and our ability to get a clean break from the EU is limited. TMay may even request an extension to Article 50, taking us up to the next election and a prospect of a Corbyn led Coalition government.
Many of the 70% of MPs who voted to remain in the EU still do not grasp the case for Leave and they have no positive vision of life outside of the EU – but we surely need MPs with conviction and tenacity, if we are to throw off all of the tentacles of the EU as soon as possible.
Even Tory Brexiteer MPs have a vested interest in not rocking the boat, because their political careers will be important to them, as will the views of their big party donors, many of whom never wanted us to leave the EU.
But what can real Brexiteers do now? Well we need to expose the government every time it capitulates to a new EU demand, or dictat. We are facing an implacable EU Politburo which intends to keep us under its control for as long as possible.
We need to increase the number of Brexiteers in Parliament, so that it better reflects the expressed will of the people and improves our chances of defeating the intransigent EU.
Parliament will need to get on with the long and ardus task of reversing TMay’s concessions and with the elimination of the EU regulations which are still a millstone around the necks of UK companies.
Some remainer MPs may not like being made accountable for policy and regulations, when for years they have been happy to blame the EU for issues that they have lost influence over. Such free loaders must go.
A lot of MPs have failed to discharge their Parliamentary Oath and have have stood idly by over the years, watching Parliament emasculated. They should have either supported the referendum outcome, or resigned. Are we going to let them get away with their duplicity, or are we going to challenge them?
Many who voted LEAVE will be angry at MPs who have tried to frustrate Brexit and UKIP should have prospective candidates in Leave constituencies, giving them hell. If we can worry a few remainer MPs in key constituencies, then we might even eject one or two at a by election.
Their party organisations might just get the message, but they might be find that they are too late and that the tectonic plate have started to move..
So we need candidates in place well before the next election opportunity, candidates who are regularly up the noses of remainer MPs and Councillors in constituencies with the highest leave votes.
Let’s not leave voters without a champion. Let’s give them a voice and a lightning rod for their anger.
UKIP started this “War of Independence”. Now let’s arm ourselves for the final phases.
As WSC said, this is not the end, it may not be the beginning of the end, but it is the end of the beginning.”
Plus the territorial waters or whatever they are called need to be under UK control.
Plus all immigration needs seriously looking at, including chain immigration.
If there is to be a soft border between NI and RoI, then the common travel agreement needs suspending and Great Britain requires far stronger border control.
Brexit is not just about Brexit itself, but also the quality of life for all citizens including population density and preserving-enhancing whatever is left of diminished wild areas, forestry and uncultivated areas.
” Brexit is not just about Brexit itself, but also the quality of life for all citizens including population density … “. Nice one, Chris.
I’ve posted this before but will do so again: Regarding immigration, here’s an ecological argument to beat the other parties and especially the Greens with. The UK is grossly overpopulated, in terms of its biocapacity. The Global Footprint Network’s figures from 2012 show the population at 63m (in the meantime pushing 66 !), with the sustainable pop. at only 17m. The UK is thus 73% dependent on other countries, not least in terms of food supply. And more and more good farmland is being built over.
Jonathan Porritt took a lot of green flak a few years ago when he suggested mass immigration from countries with a lower eco-footprint should be discouraged. Poland’s dependency, for example, is only 53%.
I have long shared Sara Parkin’s sentiment of some 30 years ago: “the Green Party has become a danger to Green politics”.
I left the Scottish Green Party years ago, because they dropped their former policy of advocating a birth rate well below the replacement rate (i.e. 2.1 kids per woman)
Hello George, many thanks for your comment. Thankyou for enhancing the point with your wider perspective and data. To be honest had not considered Biocapacity as part of the argument.
UKIP would do well to occupy the environmental void left open by the Greens.
At one point where there was no local UKIP candidate I considered voting green, I went on their local website and found they were more exercised about multi faith events above everything else, then I read their anti-UKIP sentiment. It was quite disturbing. Needless to say I did not vote Green.
Thankyou as well for sharing your history with the Scottish Green Party. It would be good were you to put forward an environmental article on this site, I think its a subject not covered enough.
Reforestation – depopulation
But Rees Mogg doesn’t have a ministerial role to resign from. So he can’t follow Davis in resigning. I hope he has a plan to maximise the chance of getting a hard Brexit by timing the 48 letters right.
Gove and Leadsom have lost all credibility by backing May’s plan.