Just why has Tommy Robinson got to wait yet again for a — possible — last hearing on his case at the Old Bailey?
Well, intention can often be judged by result, so we must first look at the result of what has happened to Tommy over this last summer. Since 2009 he has been fighting to expose Islamist rape gangs, one of which ruined his cousin, which for decades have been operating unhindered all over the country. As we know, the authorities and the Government are so terrified of being called ‘racist’ that this news had to be buried, kept out of the media at all costs, so Tommy’s activities were definitely not welcome. Nor was his founding of The English Defence League as a reaction to a Muslim protest against a homecoming Army parade in his home town of Luton. In 2013 he resigned from the EDL as it was becoming racist and Tommy is no racist (check his friends), but this didn’t stop his fight against the rape gangs. And the Government has become increasingly alarmed. So what were they going to do?
Now, agreed, Tommy is or was no angel. Back when it all started, he was a rough, tough Luton boy and there was a lot the Government could use to jail him, and in jail, there were a lot of Muslims who didn’t like him either. A dangerous situation for an anti-Islamist like Tommy who was threatened, beaten up and kept in solitary confinement ‘for his own protection’.
And this is what happened again this summer for I fear that our Justice is no longer independent, at least with regard to Tommy Robinson.
In May, in his capacity as a roving journalist, he attempted to film defendants at of Asian grooming gang as they entered Leeds Crown Court and reported live on the case which was viewed more than 250,000 times. Tommy was then arrested for ‘disturbing the peace’, whisked into the court, charged with Contempt of Court and breaking his bail from a previous case and, all within five hours, he was jailed again for 13 months. Whether his arrest was or was not correct is still open to doubt, but what happened next was quite definitely not.
Having originally been sent to the relatively safe jail in Hull, he was abruptly transferred to Onley Prison in Warwickshire which has a very large number of Muslim prisoners and where once again ‘for his protection’, Tommy was placed in solitary confinement. Here he spent over two months before his case could go to Appeal and was subject to what could be termed psychological abuse both from the Muslim inmates and from the authorities there. For instance, Tommy refused to eat the meals prepared by Muslim cooks and delivered to his cell, worried that they might contain ground glass but was only allowed to buy a small amount of food daily with his own money. When he left to attend his Appeal at the Old Bailey in August, Tommy had lost 40 lbs in weight.
It’s pretty obvious that the Government were expecting to break Tommy but Tommy Robinson is a remarkable man, and although his health has suffered, he has grown stronger.
Over the last few years, he has matured. He is no longer a knock-about football hooligan, but a married man with a wife and two children and a family he is determined to protect — hence a frequent change of name. Nor will he give up his fight against the rape gangs. So increasingly the Government has reason to be concerned as to what this new Tommy Robinson can and might do about the Islamist situation in Britain.
Tommy is exceptionally brave, has strength of will and great personality, while the camera — an essential in these days of TV and Internet — catches his masculine good looks. He’s an efficient organiser and makes compelling speeches. He’s intelligent and clever (see his book ‘Enemy of the State’ and ‘Mohammed’s Koran – Why Muslims Kill for Islam’ which he co-authored together with Peter McLoughlin) and while the middle classes might sneer at his patriotism, his love of his country, he attracts large numbers of his own working class both here and abroad, who have been turning out in their thousands to support him.
And this could be the reason that Tommy’s Appeal has been kicked down the road not once but twice. So far.
It could well be that the Government feels that the longer his court case goes on, the sooner Tommy Robinson will be forgotten. The public have short memories. Fewer people will turn out for yet another court case which will just be delayed yet again. And those who have been supporting him financially might give up. Even his employer, Ezra Levant of the Rebel Media might feel that enough is enough and turn to other causes.
But the court case has to come to a decision sometime: do they jail Tommy Robinson or do they set him free? And what happens in either case?
If the Government has him jailed he will be classed as a ‘martyr’ by a swelling number of his supporters. Demonstrations and maybe riots on the streets of Britain will grow. And what if he dies in prison? How badly would that effect the country? Would that destroy the Government? Even cause a Civil War?
But if the Government allows him to be set free, he will be a hero, possibly gathering more and more support for what he is fighting for. He might even be allowed to join the UK Independence Party — and how many of his British supporters might then do the same? Would that bring down the Government?
So how is the Government going to control Tommy Robinson?
That’s a very good question.
One thing for sure is that if Tommy lives, he will never give up his fight against the rape gangs and Islamists in general; if he dies, neither will his supporters.
If anyone wonders why the establishment are against Tommy Robinson outing paedophiles then they are ignoring the Emperor in his new clothes riding on the elephant in the room.
I agree with Freddy. In addition, I believe EU is the battle but Islam is not the war.
EU is the battle and the war is – call it what you will, people variously call it the New World Order, the World Communist Conspiracy, the One World Government, the Bilderbergers, Common Purpose, etc. I call it what I think it is: the people (and the disciples of the people) with whom the entire Western world’s public sector was infiltrated during the Cold War by the KGB and whose job was to betray and destroy their host countries from within, to the benefit of the Soviet Union.
Watch and read the following materials from the 1980s:
– Yuri Bezmenov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g
– Anatoliy Golitsyn
“New Lies for Old”
“The Perestroika Deception”
and recent:
– Stefan Molyneux on McCarthy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wljpYZ8wejA
As Bezmenov explains, the left uses judo techniques to their destructive ends: let your opponent shoot himself in the foot, and gently help him go further in his own direction. And it is all obvious and done in plain sight.
Is it not obvious and in plain sight that all the political parties with any power are socialist and betraying their own countries?
Terrorists and criminals which currently happen to be mainly Muslim are useful tools for the communist establishment who just have to sit on their hands and feign incompetence and fail to deal with the problem to do their destructive work with deniable complicity.
But the left remains completely in charge. When the Muslim criminals stop being useful to them, they will discard them just as they discarded the working class when they stopped being useful and just as they will also discard the LGBTs, the feminists etc. once they stop being useful.
When jihadis are no longer useful, the communists will brutally suppress Muslims: indeed, in China, they already are.
Socialism murdered 100 million people in Europe in the 20th century; jihadis kill in their thousands at most. The scale of brutality is incomparable.
The UK and Sweden have a jihadi immigration problem – and an out of control welfare state. Estonia has neither. They are all in the EU. It’s not a coincidence! Our enemy is the left, not Islam. Focussing on Islam and having interventionist policies is a mistake; we need to focus on Brexit, then on fighting the left with libertarian policies.
But then what do you make of the interim manifesto ? It appears more socialist than libertarian.
With due respect, without an effective Brexit all this is a distraction.
Yes and No, Freddy. Yes, we could do with more bashing away for Brexit, but the Tommy Robinson Saga is really all part of the same thing — being an independent country, independent not only of the European Dictatorship but also free from the Islamic Caliphate which is building around the world. So many people still don’t realise that not only is the EU not a democracy but also that Islam is not that ‘religion of peace’ they are told it is. Freedom from the EU will be of no use if we don’t also have freedom from Islam. Or, as I’ve been saying for a long time: the EU is a battle; Islam is the war.
Hello again, Freddy: I should also have added that we need freedom of both thought and speech and under the European Dictatorship and Islam we shall continue to have neither.
Sonya, that is correct.
But we are not under Islamic rule as yet, even if some sections of our uncivil service act as if we are, while we MOST DEFINITELY ARE UNDER the European Dictatorship.
Hence the ordering of action.
Even if I agreed with your “war vs battle” analogy, some battles need to be won first, don’t they?
Note I am not at war with Islam, but I am at war with sharia law, or other wholly unacceptable (to me) aspects of Islamic life, taking over in Britain and elsewhere.
You may like to know that in the last month, the Indian Supreme Court blocked the introduction of Sharia Courts in India, making a pre-judgment announcement.
This was in response to a plea from a Muslim lady (“Zikra X”) who OPPOSED there being Sharia Courts. We can guess why.
The Indian Supreme Court also criticised the attempt to impose sharia by the back door via arbitration councils which then try to usurp the power of secular courts.
India has an enormous Muslim population of close to 200 million, and growing steadily, while the rest of the population averages a steady 2 children per woman. India’s total population continues to rise, though the rate is slowing, for only two reasons:
– People are living longer
– Muslims are having significantly more kids than non-Muslims
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A small and non-random sample, but I have maybe 50 UK-resident friends who have connections to India, most of them Hindu (but several Christians, Sikhs, a Buddhist, agnostics/atheists and a handful of Indian Muslims) and almost all of them see an Islamic takeover of the UK as being on the cards, and they attribute the “problem” to people from Pakistan, Bangladesh and North or East Africa. About a quarter of them are in UKIP now, plus one who’s wandered across to AMW and another to the Gay Donkey party (DVP). The rest pretty much all vote Conservative….
What Islamic Caliphate building around the world ??
The last lot to try it were / are being bombed out of existence by Russia and Syria.
Yes, indeed, and what happens then? The ‘refugees’ flee to the West, more and more of them, and out of the goodness of our heart (?) we accept them. Poor things! The fighting just seems to be a ruse for the real building of the world Caliphate through immigration. The Middle East is now mainly Muslim due to the destruction of Christian communities, so is Africa. How many Muslims now live in Sweden, Germany, France, Ireland, Australia — and Britain? Many Islamic communities are living in and growing in North America, especially Canada. Little by little, slow and sure.
Sonya, it isn’t a matter of relevant priorities or importance but a matter of Linear Programming.
Time is linear – it progresses along a line.
While some things could be done before they need to be, our resources are limited and are therefore precious and best dedicated to the relatively low-hanging fruit needing immediately needing to be done.
Given a chance, the enemy will get a ReReferendum, and this time they will press for 16 year olds, EU nationals AND illegal immigrants to have a vote too (the last would be in line with what Democrats are pressing for in the USA this very week) so as to make absolutely certain there’s no repetition of the “anomalous result” of 2016.
We must knock this for six, with whatever brutality is called for, within what decency and fair-play permits.
While we are within the EU, a thousand Tommy Robinsons won’t really make a difference.
EUGENDFOR is already being deployed, a full EU Army is on the cards and the fascist Mad Cow from Hamburg has no end of imitators. We’re destined for their (metaphorical) ovens; we’re their J**s – they hate us and want us destroyed, though they can’t quite explain why (the real reason is that they can’t handle the truth).
How far are we away from laws when an idiot police farce comes to cart me away simply for writing the truth about this antidemocratic, autocratic socialist EU project?
Only when freed from the legislative shackles of the EU can we attempt to deal appropriately with the sizeable (and growing every minute) Fifth Column ensconced in Britain.
Until then, we can only howl impotently into the darkness. The complicit police, prosecution service and judiciary, indeed almost the whole civil service and public sector, aided by the MSM especially the evil racist BBC, loony-left SJWs, violent Antifa thugs, are all craven tools of the EU, though most within those groups lack the intellect to recognise the role they are playing.
That cretin of a Vicar’s daughter abetted by Tory wets and traitors like Robbins-the-Smug won’t help one bit but will instead do her best to delay, sabotage and wreck our attempts, knowing that the demographics of time are in their favour.
I apologise for being so savage. As an atheist and physicist with a big gob, who knows he can’t fly when chucked off a high building, I am perfectly aware of priorities.
There’s also the matter of the Overton window. Ignore it at our electoral peril.
I disagree, this about the leadership, direction and soul of the party. UKIP has been off the stage so long that most people found other organisations through which to support Brexit, who can wait for UKIP to get itself sorted out? Raising this issue now has, by creating a new source of internal division and external vitriol, created a huge distraction. It’s the act of raising TRs entry, not the subsequent debate, which is the problem.
Tacitus, you begin your reply to my comment with:
“I disagree”
However, reading the text of your reply, you appear to be in (complete) agreement with me!
And, therefore, in disagreement with sonyaporter.
Occam suggests Tacitus nodded and press the wrong “REPLY” button?
If there’s another explanation, please expand – I thrive on debate, for out of heat sometimes comes light.
“press” —> “pressed”
@Freddy, did you ever publish your article on the mohammed makeup of offenders?
Editorial prudence, alas, ruled it unfit for publication.
That it was 100% factual is no defence, as the recent criminalisation of the Austrian lady confirmed by the ECHR for merely pointing out that it is beyond debate what what Big-M did to little girls (Aisha was NOT the worst case, though she was the youngest) made him a P.
De facto blasphemy laws have been adopted, I fear.
I was hoping to find a recent report indicating the ethnicity of those found guilty of these heinous child gang rapes.
I have noticed that whilst the press are happy to throw around the, not always accurate, moniker of paedophile when the perpetrator is a celebrity or football ‘star’, they are stubbornly averse to applying it in grooming cases involving perpetrators of a particular religion.
When any religion or belief system (I include the “EU Political Experiment” as such a creature) endorses lying or punishes truth-telling, one knows it is to be discarded as worthless.
Here is a website you might find useful
http://www.pmclauth.com/grooming-gang-statistics/gangs-jailed
https://archive.is/qAsdK
I checked (back then) all entries up to 31/5/2018 and found them accurate. When in any doubt, whoever maintains that site apparently plays it safe and leaves them out. I found many that were omitted.
DISCLAIMER
Most Muslims in Britain neither do or condone this sort of stuff. I’m making this statement explicitly only because of the stupidity of our present laws and their enforcers.
Sonya, thank you for your well written comments, with which I fully support.
The comments and conversations it has provoked are equally as fascinating, thanks to Viv and her team once again for providing this valuable platform.
Whilst I support Gerard’s wish to concentrate on dealing with Brexit presently, I was very pleased to see that he joined Tommy on the platform outside The Old Bailey, clearly showing support. Every politician must be able to deal with multiple issues. UKIP should not shy away in any shape or form of highlighting the rise of Islam in the UK.
Listening to and in my opinion supporting what Tommy Robinson has to say on the issue, should be enthusiastically undertaken.
To this regard inviting TR to join UKIP makes sense to me and, in my opinion also to the clear majority of member’s I spoke to, listened to and observed at this years two days of Conference.
But, has that ship sailed ? Has TR moved on ? I think that there is a good chance that TR has moved on from the joining UKIP debate !
As to the question of why he has not been associated with For Britain, may I suggest that this has something to do with Anne Marie not wishing her Party to become the Tommy Robinson Party. Room only for one leader within For Britain ! 🙂
Anne Marie kept an arms length distance from the TR issue whilst he was incarcerated. But I am told that she too was hovering around the Old Bailey TR platform. Interesting 🙂
Does TR need to be a member of a political party ? looks to me like the man is being quite effective casting his own line !
Without an effective Brexit all this is meaningless.
The thing that disturbs me most about this latest Tommy Robinson affair is. How could the establishment be so stupid ? They’ve managed to blow up a trivial non event into something huge. It’s akin being referred to the Attorney General for a speeding ticket in fact It’s worse because it seems that TR didn’t commit an offence.
Are the powers that be a cursing Judge Marson for his spectacular misjudgement ? Or was he just acting on a general instruction to ‘get Yaxley – Lennon’.
It is disturbing to live in a country governed by a pack of halfwits and when you look at the mess that They’ve made of this case and Brexit you have to wonder what else is being screwed up.
Elements of the establishment really are that stupid. And the reason they are seems to be that they believe their own propaganda that “Islam is peaceful” and that “terrorists blaspheme the good name of Allah” etc..
There is even the absurdity of a non-Muslim judge telling a Muslim convict that he will have plenty of time in prison to study the Koran, and to see how peaceful Islam really is! You really, really could not make this up. It is so absurd.
With that mindset in the judiciary and in the police, it is not particularly a surprise that they have completely messed up with Tommy.
Around ten years ago I happened to give a senior police officer a lift. A longish journey, a couple of hours. Well I had already read the Koran by then, and knew about abrogation etc. I gently steered the conversation onto Islam. The amount of politically correct garbage he spouted was a wonder to behold. He was utterly astonished when I started quoting from the Koran. Not sure if I completely red pilled him, maybe pinkish pilled at least.
> The amount of politically correct garbage he spouted was a wonder to behold.
> He was utterly astonished when I started quoting from the Koran
Without knowing the person, anything I say is based on probabilities.
It is an unfortunate human failing to jump to conclusions after inadequate (often, no) research.
The sufferer then sticks to those conclusions through thick and thin, even in the face of substantial or overwhelming evidence that they were mistaken or tricked.
If only they expended even a tenth of the effort they later expend defending their incorrect belief or reasoning upon looking into the matter neutrally before subscribing, they wouldn’t have been taken in.
It is usually uneconomical to educate people about such things. They will cling to their error, demanding levels of ironclad proof from the challenger while they have not a shred of proof for their conclusion.
If pushed to guess, I’d say this disease is even more prevalent among the police, who appear to be selected nowadays for lack of intelligence, inability to seek and process data to arrive at logical conclusions and a willingness to be programmed politically, abandoning common sense. Watch out – the programming nowadays includes a belief that white males are always in the wrong.
Therefore, I greatly doubt your protagonist has been even mildly pink-pilled. After a few days, he’s dismissed everything you said (ascribing it to selective or mis-quoting) and believes you to be a “RACIST”. Of course he won’t have bought a copy and read it cover to cover. Fear, laziness, uninterest in truth.
Because of the inefficiency, I’m probably more brutal than you are when these ignoramuses and idiots are foisted on me. Fools are better at being foolish than most give them credit for.
Hugo got here first. I concur – the establishment frequently is exactly that stupid.
And when caught out, as I’ve caught them out myself, they will expend a great deal of effort in attempting to cover-up, including compounding their lies when they think they can get away with it, “losing” (i.e. destroying) unhelpful evidence, etc. All I will say that the judiciary, on average, is better than the police and CPS, but the bar is extraordinarily low.
I have got, in addition to numerous oral apologies, my official letter expressing deep regret, and, unlike its predecessor, I photographed the latest compensation cheque from H.M. Paymaster General / H.M. Courts & Tribunal Service before I banked it. The matter is still sub judice, and this limits what I can say at present other than that I am the plaintiff.
Perhaps Tommy will get *his* letter and *his* cheque eventually – in terms of national significance, there’s a thousand times more at stake with him than there had been with me. Which is why TPTB have to choose between caving in now and limiting the damage, or concocting something.
You are all missing the point, it is GB who wants TR to join. The objective is obvious, GB wants a successor. GBs biggest problem is there is nobody to replace him – think back to the last ludicrous leadership election contest, a stranger collection of chancers you could not find. If TR joined do you think he’d be happy to be a spokesman for any of those candidates? Of course not, he could only be leader.
Tacitus:
“The objective is obvious, GB wants a successor.”
That does seem a highly likely hypothesis.
My earlier question regarding how many prominent UKIP members are publicly supportive of Tommy Robinson is really a proxy for another question. Which is probably more significant for the future direction of UKIP:
Question: How many prominent members of UKIP are publicly supportive of Gerard Batten, and his anti-Islam rhetoric?
There are precious few! Are most of the prominent members just keeping their heads down, and biding their time for when Batten is gone?
Am I correct in thinking that Batten stated that he would hold the leadership role for a year? And if so we are about half way through it.
One scenario is that no credible successor appears who is anti-Islam. Then a pro-Islam Faragist, or probably pro-Islam Farage himself takes over. And then rapidly undoes all that Batten has achieved. For example the humane religious slaughter policy would be rapidly ditched. Further paroxysms and recriminations would thereby be triggered.
I and most of those UKIP members in this part of Somerset support Gerard batten, and want TR to join UKIP.
Its the residue of the Farage/Crowther cabal still lurking around in the party that don’t want Islam mentioned.
Alan Craig called TR a “Man of God”, high praise from one of the handful of people who seem to have GBs ear.
I’ve heard it all…. He’s not the New Messiah… He’s a very naughty boy!!!
Your post is full of assumptions Tacitus. Any chance of any facts?
I want Gerard Batten to remain leader indefinitely. However, should he wish to stand down, I would have thought David Kurten would be an obvious successor.
David Kurten was and will be an excellent candidate.
Assuming Gerard goes next spring, Tommy still wouldn’t be eligible without the NEC backing a rule change to favour him:
O.5 Eligibility: In accordance with the NEC’s criteria, applicants must have been a member of the party, in good standing continuously for at least two years from June 23 2017.
Ah ! But we could have another vote ! Just like the ‘People’s Vote’ …….
This can easily be changed. It often is, at least 3 times in last 2 years. It was 28 days at one point!
Of course. Provided there is an NEC majority in support of said change…
But Spon… TPTB need to decide. Indecisiveness dooms leadership. ‘Sh*t or get off the pot’ comes to mind.
> it is GB who wants TR to join
Correct
> The objective is obvious, GB wants a successor [and it is TR]
Erroneous.
The forum comments here show UKIP at its “best”.
Carrying on like ferrets in a sack. 😉
OK, several of the known agent provocateurs are “from” other parties – Libdem, AMW’s For Britain – but that’s as it May be.
This is not a criticism. It is our strength. And like with all strengths, also our weakness.
Is Kev really a LibDem ?
I’ve only been honouring him with a reply because I thought he was a Kipper.
Possibly, recently he has praised the intelligence of Vince Cable and Nick Clegg but also Keith Starmer and seems fond of the benign Greens, (cough, splutter). Pretty mixed up kid.
I used to be a Lib Dem. I was an elected Lib Dem councillor in 1999 to 2001 . With 56% of the vote.
Prior to that I was an Independent councillor.
Declared to Freddy when I joined UKIP in 2014/15.
I do admire Cable for his economic experience and statesmanship, and Clegg for his intelligence and charisma. Keir Starmer is no fool either and I do have sympathy with some Green ethics.
I was also a big Tony Benn fan. I like Stella Creasey and Wes Streeting (Labour) too. Even though they are Remainers. Excellent MPs in two areas I’ve lived in recently.
I voted Lib Dem in 2010. Not since.
My choice in the real world for PM would be Boris Johnson, as only the Tories can keep Corbyn out, who would be a nightmare.
I thought he’d admitted to being a member of the Greens in a previous post. He was complaining that UKIP wouldn’t accept him as a candidate on the grounds that he was a member of the Greens (???!!!)
I said If I WERE a member of the Greens, now, UKIP would not accept me as a candidate.
But it appears that if I were a violent convicted fraudster caught entering the USA on a fake passport I would qualify for free lunch in the Lords and beer after….
Sounds reasonable….
A few words on the Attorney General.
Firstly, Geoffrey Cox is the Conservative MP for Torridge and West Devon.
I wouldn’t trust him on his earnings;
in 2016, the House of Commons Standards Committee—of which he was a member—found that he had committed a serious breach of a House of Commons rule, designed to make transparent an MP’s financial interests, after failing to register £400k of outside earnings (11 payments) for legal work within the permitted 28-day period.
The payments were registered late, variously between two and seven months after the deadline; Cox admitted that he had omitted to prioritize the rule in the midst of an intense political and professional schedule.
When first registering the payments, in September 2015, Cox apologized to the Registrar for his omission, referred himself to the Parliamentary Commissioner, and stepped down from the Committee.
Alistair Graham, the former Chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, criticized the lack of punishment and called for a complete reform, while Martin Bell said the Committee on Standards had a long history of inflicting light punishment, which showed that the House was incapable of regulating itself.
I wouldn’t trust him on housing, especially in the rental sector.
In January 2016, Cox was one of 72 MPs who backed the Conservative Government in voting down an amendment in Parliament on rental homes being “fit for human habitation” who were themselves landlords who derived an income from a property.
The Government argued that the law already provided more effective remedies for tenants to report homes in bad repair to local authorities who then had a statutory duty to inspect them and to take action against the landlord, and that the previous Labour Government had for the same reason rejected the proposal.
Which senior UKIP members have spoken publicly in support of Tommy Robinson?
Gerard Batten and Lord Pearson of course.
Stuart Agnew and David Coburn have done so too.
I cannot think of any others. If you know of any others, please reply with a list of them.
Do you mean Older or What ? If Older , I support him [. Young bright and tough –perfect. ]
Clarification: By “senior” I mean those in a more prominent position in the party. Such as MEPs, Assembly members (Welsh and London assemblies) spokesmen, NEC members, regional chairmen etc.
1. Define “senior”.
2. Define “support”
If you mean hero-worship or unqualified, uncritical adulation, some of us – definitely #MeToo – just don’t have it in our makeup. I agree with much of what drives Tommy, and have twice written open letters to the Judge at the heart of this.
The first of my letters has been the subject of an article here.
The second one may well too – calling the Judge to account for giving Tommy no *BAIL* or time to breathe before being whisked off to jail, while failing in the most elementary way to ensure, long after it would have penetrated even the dimmest intellect that the perps were guilty as hell of the most appalling crimes against vulnerable minors, that they posed a significant flight risk. Seizing UK passports as part of the bail condition was insufficient. Several were dual nationals and had Pakistani passports (or ID cards) which they were free to use…
And one did. He skipped the country before the conclusion of the trial, and is probably laughing at us from Pakistan now, recounting to his mates his probably racially-exacerbated sexual “adventures” while the whole UK law enforcement apparatus was impotent.
Shame on you, Judge Marson. I hold *YOU* in contempt.
But…
I am critical of why the twerp drew attention to the (alleged) prison bag, loudly and simultaneously broadcast, being carried by one of the defendants into court. I would not be surprised if even now defence/appeal counsel is not trying to argue at the Court of Appeal that one or more juror heard this or were influenced by this, and the whole trial is therefore contaminated, and a retrial called for, with the enormous cost that entails, and suffering to the witnesses who would have to re-testify.
Sorry, I don’t do heroes. Nor should you. Grow up, Hugo.
Freddy, apart from your letter writing, have you spoken publicly in support of TR?
If any prominent UKIP members (other than the four who I listed) had spoken publicly in support of TR, no doubt you would have mentioned them in your reply. Can you list any at all? My question is whether any have done so. If they have done, then I did not notice them.
Again. I don’t do heroes.
I have spoken publicly in *qualified* support of TR.
Perhaps his sojourn at Her Majesty’s Pleasure has given him a chance to reflect. The “This defendant’s-carrying-a-prison-bag” broadcast comment was monumental folly. He’d been warned about filming/broadcasting in the vicinity of a Court a year earlier. He should have checked out the law properly for himself. Asking some clueless PC “is it OK to film here?” is like a mouse asking the cat where he should locate his mousehole. Incredible naivete.
While you’re on the line – interrogation goes two ways, Hugo. How many members does “For Britain” have at present? I’ve had quite a few FB members approach me to rejoin UKIP (Jeff Wyatt, the former Deputy Leader, was but one of them), equalled by the number of DVP members defecting to us.
Silly splitting the vote under FPTP like this if after a year no progress has been made. We agree on 80% of stuff. Enough with the one-upmanship. We’re supposed to be cleverer than the Socialists (ask Syed Kamall MEP) with their 42 different flavours of lefty-loony, correct?
Freddy, I do not have global membership figures. However locally in my area the number of active members is heading towards being comparable to the number of UKIP active members. Most of these members were never involved in politics before.
I agree – we should avoid splitting the vote if possible. For the local elections next year in my area the splitting should be avoidable, in my opinion. For the next scheduled general election in 2022 – this is so far away that it is impossible to predict what the circumstances will be then.
Personally, I would much prefer to see a UKIP councillor than a LibLabCon councillor on our council.
“He should have checked out the law properly for himself.” He DID check out the law properly for himself.
As he said in his statement read out outside court, he paid for a top City law firm to train him on the law around contempt of court. Hence he didn’t do anything in his livestream that could have prejudiced the case. Hence Judge Marson and the CPS prosecutor agreed on the Tuesday after he had been jailed that there had been no risk of prejudice. Hence the judge last Tuesday was forced to refer the case to the Attorney General instead of finding him guilty. There is no case to answer. Judge Marson’s own words in the trial transcript confirm that.
All that asking the policeman whether it was OK to film as long as he wasn’t standing on the court steps was just for show. He knew precisely what the contempt of court laws allow and disallow. Evidently much better than Judge Marson did.
As with Sky News’ lies copied-and-pasted from his interview with them, the Establishment thought they were taking Tommy for a fool. Instead he has shown them to be fools.
The indentation bug has bitten, so I cannot reply to Keith directly.
Keith wrote:
“Hence Judge Marson and the CPS prosecutor agreed on the Tuesday after he had been jailed that there had been no risk of prejudice”
An independent citation, if you please, of the exact words. Thanks.
I happen to have attended in person, and sat through both sessions of, the appeal on Wednesday July 18, 2018 at the Royal Courts of Justice (the Court of Appeal, sitting in court room 4, as my notes recall). The bench comprised the Lord Chief Justice Burnett and an almost wholly silent Mrs Justice McGowan and a wholly silent Mr Justice Turner.
A research assistant of Gerard was also present, a UKIP invitee of mine turned up at lunch and Gerard attended at the end of the session.
If there had been a judicial admission by Marson of zero risk of prejudice, and therefore only a technical contempt (usually dealt with by a small fine, a short spell to cool one’s heels in the custody unit or just a ticking off), wouldn’t the Court of Appeal have ended the matter there, rather than calling for a re-trial?
They’d have wanted to limit the damage already done and get a line drawn under the whole thing.
Here there isn’t a prosecution per se, so it wasn’t the CPS calling for another trial; here we had a single person acting as Prosecutor, Judge, Jury & Executioner, Marson, and it would continue rather like that in a retrial.
I suggest what has actually been conceded that no significant prejudice *ACTUALLY* occurred (and so no retrial was needed), but the prison-bag comment was obviously *POTENTIALLY* prejudicial had it come to the attention, directly in person or through the live broadcast or second-hand as a result of that broadcast, of even a single member of the jury.
In the same way that it a collision isn’t a necessary ingredient in a conviction for DWDCOA or even for Dangerous Driving.
But IANAL, and, with respect, I think nor are you.
The fat lady hasn’t sung yet. Let’s reserve judgement until we see their judgment. I’m willing to wager they won’t send him back for more porridge. But I’m almost as certain he won’t be exonerated either, and we may well hear more about “my” “prison bag”.
– – –
Hammering Marson & Co. for letting the perps be out on court bail during the trial despite them being dual nationals, rather than having them on remand, while having TR slung straight inside without bail or further due process, is worthy of effort, IMO.
Freddy, here is a PDF of Tommy’s statement:
http://dfla.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/391403703-Tommy-Robinson-s-witness-statement.pdf
Point 18 says, “I would like to state clearly that in the transcript from the original trial the judge discussed my video with Mr Wright QC, prosecution counsel. Having reviewed the content of my video Mr Wright stated in court: ‘There is nothing they could have seen that could in any way
prejudice them against the defendants’. Judge Marson agreed on the record.”
As Politco concludes here, there is therefore no case to answer. In the comments below the Politico video David Pennington who was in the rape trial on the Tuesday confirms the CPS’s and Judge Marson’s words.
Replying to Keith’s comment of October 29, 2018 at 12:50 pm:
Thanks!
“Most pec’lar,” as Dickens could have put it. I’ve read casual (i.e. not paid for) opinions from QCs that the “prison bags” shout and broadcast comprised potential prejudice, and witnessing what defence counsel routinely get up to (I’m an occasional attendee at the South Thanet electoral fraud trial, in progress until Christmas at Southwark Crown Court), can’t believe they wouldn’t try to squeeze something out of it. They may still do so, whatever the judge, and the other side, think. IANAL.
Now, and contrary to press speculation, the judgment in Canterbury did not preclude Tommy from doing anything he was otherwise entitled to do during the 18 month period of the suspension. I wonder if Marson knew that, or wrongly thought that Canterbury’s leading judge, Heather Norton, had prohibited TR from doing certain things near a court.
It could have – but it didn’t. It did contain a warning but that was definitely not a prohibition (I have the judgment before me as I write). What it did contain was a suspension of sentence, which meant any (relevant?) wrongdoing within the 18 months would trigger the 3 month sentence having to be served.
So, off the cuff – *if* no there was no contempt in Derby, then that 3 month sentence from Canterbury remained suspended and was not to be served.
Then TR would be due an apology/exoneration and (compulsorily?) **MONETARY COMPENSATION** in respect of the 9 weeks (of the combined 3+10 months sentence) that he did actually serve. It would be unprecedented for the award not to be granted, and I think the process is nearly automatic and the amount formulaic.
But then it was nearly unprecedented – I think another case was dug out, but only one – in getting on for a century for a civil contempt to trigger more than a spell in the holding cells and/or a fine. Whatever TR did in Leeds was far less than he did in Canterbury.
BTW I’ve had no response from Marson to either of my letters. The first was about who, if anyone, in government communicated with the Leeds Crown Court during the critical 3 hours or so. I was referred to the judicial press office who did nothing.
My second letter – about why remand, or if legally feasible “voluntary” surrender of the foreign travel document as a condition of bail, was not used in respect of at least one of the scumbags with dual nationality (one fled back to Pakistan) even long after it was evident that they was going to be found guilty – merits an article here and elsewhere.
It just isn’t right.
And “they” simply must be scared, and therefore plotting heaven-knows-what.
For “contempt in Derby” please read “contempt in Leeds”. There’s unrelated games afoot in Derby and I multitask poorly, being a mere male.
Hugo.
Freddy is talking perfect sense.
You are with AMW / For Britain as are quite a few commentators on these pages and I don’t understand , if AMWs support is so good, why doesn’t she have a web site like this one?
The same goes for all the Tommy Robinson supporters. Why don’t you set up your own website?
The answer of course is that it’s not about politics , it’s about MONEY.
The whole TR / Sargon / PJW / Rebel / Katie Hopkins/ Alex Jones / Dankula stuff is about making MONEY.
For them.
Don’t be suckered.
Kevin, I think you and me might be on the same wavelength here. I have obviously not done a great deal of in-depth research into this myself, but what I have found so far seems to suggest that true ‘good-meaning’ folks may be being financially exploited by ‘heroes’ who are being themselves financially supported by billionaires with their own agendas to push.
Some further questions: why has Alex Jones been completely vilified and removed from all well-known social media platforms, but not Paul Joseph Watson?
Why do current and ex Shillman Fellows like Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins criticise and speak out against Islam, yet say nothing about atrocities supposedly being carried out by Israel?
I note today that a shooting has taken place in the USA, and PJW has been very quick to paint this as an anti-Semitic terrorist attack.
I will quote once again an analogy I have used before which I learned elsewhere: if you want to fix a football match, you need to control both sides in order to get the result you want.
Divide and rule, by having the masses fighting each other, they fail to see that they have a common enemy they should be fighting instead.
We are all being played for fools.
Your remark about fixing football matches, i.e. one needs to control both sides, rings a bell. I’m getting the impression that we’re indeed in a fixed match where both sides are being controlled by outside interests so that we fight each other rather than turn on the hidden enemy pulling our strings.
@Stuart (indent limit reached)
I don’t think it is valid to use terms like “supposedly” to come to a conclusion such as “we are all being played for fools”, I still cling to the old fashioned notion of evidence etc.
We will always have the infiltration problem, but if I wanted to slip in such a person, I wouldn’t pick a far right, football hooligan, thug (add as many extra slurs as you wish), that most find objectionable, due to constant MSM attacks in my opinion,
So who is the common enemy and why is Tommy wrong in what he is saying?
You’re the one that should grow up.
To: Alan Hill.
Since your comment in this same article was:
> I hope for his sake that Tommy does not join UKIP
> because the party is a ‘black hole’ … thoroughly
> infiltrated by Tory retreats … [so he should not]
> shackle himself to the UKIP cripple.
your own affiliation is pretty clear to see.
To give some scale – The DemVetParty and ForBritain each has about as many activists in total in the UK as UKIP has in just one single heartland branch.
BTW Hugo Jenks and I have an off-forum friendship – I’ve helped him on two or three projects – and he’s quite capable of defending himself if he felt the need.
Your little knowledge is, therefore,+ a dangerous thing.
So, don’t be so cheeky, Alan. You, and other agent provocateurs from rival parties, are basically here on sufferance. 🙂
UKIPDaily, while independent of the UKIP hierarchy, *is* run by UKIP members and officers in order to further UKIP’s aims, and to guide or criticise it when called for by means of informed debate.
It’s not here for you to run your mouth – where’s your AMW / For Britain forums where UKIP supporters are free to post, let alone do so with only the lightest (if any) moderation? A bit hypocritical, isn’t that?
Are we fair game because we’re open and willing to debate in the open? Shame.
As to “thoroughly infilitrated by Tory retreats” – it’s a wild exaggeration. Further, within the last year, we’ve rid ourselves of several higher-ups whose allegiance was, IMO, as much with the Cons than with us. Gerard has been on to them for years, as have I. They’re history and if they try to get back they’re in for a nastier surprise than they can imagine.
Personally, though, if I was forced to make a choice, I’d choose a party that wasn’t infiltrated by left-wingers like Marxists, Labour, BNP – and UKIP isn’t.
Food
for
thought
?
Hello Alan,
Is it correct that you are not a UKIP member and instead follow AMW and FB ?
It appears that Alan has run orf and is stalking me via his alter-ego, chuckle.
This sort of conduct is why we keep getting people who left UKIP for ‘For Britain’, rightly aggrieved at being abused a year ago by some at the top of UKIP, now returning.to the fold.
Check
https://independencedaily.co.uk/catherine-blaiklock-talks-to-delingpole/
;–)
I may be wrong but this is what appears to be happening in Tommy’s case. A transcript of the most recent proceedings which resulted in him being jailed has been obtained by him and his team and the following is part of what he read out in the street last Tuesday outside the Old Bailey. In the transcript is transpires that counsel has said to the Judge that nothing that Tommy said or did would have been prejudicial to the trial involving the grooming gangs. The judge agrees with this – so where is his guilt ? Tommy is then jailed. I suspect that the case has now been sent to the AG in order that this ‘mistake’ can be rectified, the case dropped and Tommy walks free. The media will be briefed (or ordered) to make very little or no comment and the subject will wither on the vine. View the video of Tommy’s Tuesday speech and he places great emphasis on the above. If I’m wrong, I apologise in advance
Roger… “prison bag”.
Freddy… Judge Marson and the CPS prosecutor agreed on the Tuesday after Tommy had been jailed, having watched his livestream, that there was no risk of prejudice. They saw the “prison bag” comment you’re making so much out of.
I like much of what Tommy Robinson says. I really like his Oxford Union speech but he is also very naïve and dangerous to UKIP, An example… this whole business about videoing at Court could have totally screwed up the cases against the defendants. The reason that the judge had banned reporting was because the defendants were being tried individually and he did not want the jury of a later defendant being influenced by the press reports of an earlier hearing. Just imagine if his actions had the following cases kicked out of court as a result ? At the end of the day Tommy is toxic and anyway he works better outside of a political party.
Well said.
Well said if you ignore the fact that Tommy only said what was already in the public domain, by the BBC no less, only did what others had done and were doing without any criticism or penalty, and was careful to make sure that this was the case.
Sorry Jake but people who disregard the experiences of these young girls in return for prejudices against Tommy are toxic to me and many others. Tommy (and Peter McLoughlan, Paul Golding, Jayda Fransen et al- shock horror ) along with Gerard Batten and Lord Pearson are the reverse to me,a breath of fresh air.
Jim I am in agreement with much of what Tommy R says and UKIP is the only party which warns of creeping radical Islam. It would be wrong to suggest that just because a UKIP member does not want TR in the Party they disregard the experiences of these young women.
What I do not agree with is his reckless breach of reporting restrictions putting a serious crimal court case in jeopardy at huge cost to police/court time, public purse and importantly putting the victims through more trauma.
Tommy is absolutely right in the cause he fights for but he is divisive, reckless and toxic and as Stephen says, he works better outside of a political party. The establishment must be rolling over laughing at UKIP shooting itself in the foot at the most crucial stage of Brexit.
I will happily give support to his personal movement/pressure group and even donate.
Jim R, re your other comment –
Thanks.
But I assure you that this (in the age of fluid, if not gaseous, gender) grandma doesn’t need assistance with sucking ovoids.
I made no mistake.
Being trolled here by non-kippers claiming to be kippers is one thing, and seeing UKIP attacked, but when it’s multi-avatar socks… I just might bite back. Once in a blue moon, that is.
I have the street address too, confirmed with the ER. Google, plus many friends in the shires, accomplishes a lot.
:–)
“I know that” would have covered it, but I am saying no more to keep your dossier on me down to reasonable dimensions. 😉
INDENT LIMIT
Jim R wrote:
> I am saying no more to keep your dossier on me down to reasonable dimensions 😉
(chuckle)
Alas, you are not a multi-avatar troll using sock puppets, so I’m afraid my dossier on you is impossible to shorten any further.
(Negative sizes being infeasible).
Hello Stephen,
You get your information from unreliable sources.
No one is imprisoned for what “could have happened” unless the Judge is acting unlawfully.
Just to confirm, his conviction was quashed.
His conviction is not quashed !
The CANTERBURY conviction remains in place.
I missed the above post, but I am getting so bored of reading your posts now. However yet another, yes another assumption not based on fact. No doubt hearsay yet again, what you’ve heard someone else say, so its got to be true. Fortunately it isn’t.
“This whole business about videoing at Court could have totally screwed up the cases against the defendants”. No it could not have. Tommy paid for training at a top City law firm about contempt of court. Nothing he said or did in his livestream risked prejudice. Judge Marson and the CPS prosecutor agreed this on the following Tuesday, having finally watched the livestream. Their words are in the court transcript. He read them out in his statement after his case was referred to the Attorney General.
-“Even his employer, Ezra Levant of the Rebel Media …”
Correction, former employer.
Here are the ‘big questions’ as I see it:
1) Has Tommy Robinson applied for UKIP membership?
2) Does he intend to apply?
3) If his application is successful and he does become a member, what are his intentions for the party?
4) If he wanted to ally with a political party that shares his ‘anti-Islam’ views, why has he not applied to join his mate Anne-Marie Waters’ For Britain instead?
Something smells fishy about this whole situation, and something definitely feels ‘odd’.
He knows the rules regarding membership application, that ex-BNP and ex-EDL members are not allowed to join UKIP. We know that the chairman can make special dispensation according to the party rules. So if he really wants to join, he should submit an application, and then let matters take their course.
On this whole issue, it appears that UKIP members are very divided. So my next question is, was that the intention all along? Tommy Robinson only has to suggest that he wants to join the party, and the party is imploding in on itself despite no forthcoming membership application.
Our government is betraying Brexit under our noses while we debate and tear ourselves apart over the issue of Tommy being allowed to join the party.
This all feels like outside influences are trying to damage our party and its credibility, all while chess pieces are being moved into place ahead of a general election.
And before anyone accuses me of being a ‘Tommy-basher’, yes, I have read his book “Enemy Of The State”, and I have watched numerous videos of his, and I do agree with a lot of the things that he does campaign and speak about. But I do urge people to look a bit more into the ‘hidden background’, and start looking up on Rebel Media, Ezra Levant, and Robert Shillman as well as the testimony of Caolan Robertson and Lucy Brown.
There is far more to this than is immediately obvious. Please don’t let us all be played for fools. Lets stop focusing on pixels, join the dots and see the bigger picture.
Exactly
I’m guessing that it’s a Jewish conspiracy.
The sarcasm, perfectly evident to me, in the above comment will not be conveyed when the hack from the Mirror decides to use it is to deflect from the Jew-Hatred that is at epidemic level within Labour.
Well done for giving them the nod.
They hadn’t even thought of it.
I will add that those that often reject the factual and proven dangers of extreme Islamists also often believe in Jewish conspiracies.
I follow the facts.
My criteria when employing is Young, Bright and Tough. Either sex. all they need is guidance and education
One of the problems with letting TR into UKIP and thereby excluding other ex BNP or EDL members is I doubt it would be legal and could open UKIP up to legal action. However, my main worry is that UKIP will lose its identity and become the Tommy Robinson Party – a movement not a Political party. Its a tricky one.
@Pauline If TR is allowed to join the Party then the champagne will be broken open in Conservative Head Office, the Labour Party, the BBC, Antifa and a whole host of anti -UKIP organisations. They will be rolling over in merriment and mirth, they will hardly be able to contain their luck – UKIP will finally have shot itself in the foot.
If our actions are controlled by fear of what our enemies will say, we should pack up now.
We are not Them so everything we do is ridiculed and attacked.
They were not laughing after we helped win the EU Referendum.
We had a Hallelujah Conference in Westminster a couple of years ago. We had an audience of UKIP members of every creed, colour and religion possible.
Personally, I witnessed our diverse membership greeting each other with true warmth for each other.
After watching black, brown and white unite, middle class infiltrators stood up and shouted “Racist scum” at us.
That one instance proved to me that no matter how good and honest we are, the enemy will never be satisfied.
So I stopped trying to satisfy them.
I suggest you do to.
> If our actions are controlled by fear of what our enemies will say, we should pack up now.
Correct.
But also correct is:
If we act disregarding the likely consequences of our actions given the present position of the Overton window (of acceptable public discourse), we should pack up now.
A middle-ground approach is better.
Bryan, your logical fallacy for the day is: FALSE DILEMMA aka FALSE DICHOTOMY
Sadly we are currently polling 4%-5% in a poll of polls. (23rd Oct).
How low will we go if TR joins ?
Bryan ////If our actions are controlled by fear of what our enemies will say, we should pack up now.///
Can’t speak for other Kipper branches but our little band of activists fear not what our opposition say about us in public debate but the effect of what the public think of us after listening to what is said. After all we are not a pressure group but a political party and we are in the business of winning votes. How we are perceived by the electorate is important in this process and thus we have to endeavour to get our arguments across using tact.
I don’t want to swing wildly like a half-crazed boxer exhausting himself. i want to land some effective punches on our opposition resulting in great numbers feeling it is now safe to come out and say ‘Yeah! I agree with that’.
We are up against a determined enemy and we have to box clever against them.
Ukip has been hobbling around on it’s stumps for over 2 years since Nigel Farage shot off both feet just after the referendum “my political ambitions have been achieved” in the middle of a Tory party leadership stitch up.
Gerard has done a great job so far in trying to get the party back on it’s feet, and furthering this by proposing a bold and yes perhaps risky move but that does not mean that Ukip becomes merely an anti-Islamic party, just something else that has to be faced in the near future.
You don’t want it, ok so what is the alternative plan because I don’t see any.
We do have an interim manifesto that was released at the Confernence that is quite a good start to promoting the Party. I want UKIP to focus on Brexit right up to next March as well as Education,Education, Education, Immigration, Freedom of Speech (which can be debated without mentioning TR), Defence, Narrowing the rich poor divide, British jobs for British people, more training undertaken by companies rather than the state, traffic congestion, house building on the green belt…….
Yes I agree with you. Our most pressing problem is Brexit and the Establishment trying to overturn it using every dirty trick in the book. UKIP needs to concentrate on fighting back.
Imagine TR standing as the UKIP PPC in Rotherham or similar in the next General Election.
He’s not a member
Edit:
Imagine if TR was a member and stood as the UKIP PPC in Rotherham or similar in the next General Election.
We’d find out his popularity with no loss to us.
Rotherham re-elected Labour councillors, often with large majorities…
When you have actually met loads of those who will vote Labour admitting it’s because:
* their grandpa, father etc. always voted Labour
* Labour pays them benefits while the Tories etc. (and UKIP’s worse) ungenerously refuses to print money, because they “hate poor people”
* they belong to certain racial or religious groups and Labour’s “immigration” (sic) policy has been the more, the merrier
etc.
one loses faith in human intelligence.
Did you miss the previous motivational speaking memo ?
The one with Be Positive written at the top.
http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/ge15/UKIP-second.htm
Bryan, can’t reply to you because of what I assume is a forum limit on nesting or indentation.
> http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/ge15/UKIP-second.htm
I made a map of this for 2015, and for our third places too. I’m only too aware of this.
In GE2015, we got a smashing 30.2% in Rotherham. In GE2017 – even though the appalling scale of the scandal had only been fully exposed during the previous two years – we got only 8.7% in Rotherham, 5.2% less than I’d got for UKIP in leafy Chingford & Woodford Green (Tory stronghold (IDS) plus Labour London creeping in from the south).
We should have won the seat.
Rotherham’s LE2016 was ordered by Eric Pickles to be an all-seats one, rather than staggered thirds.
We should have swept in there. But instead, Labour – the disgusting, complicit Labour Party – increased its vote share by 7%, while we dropped 6%,
The tide was against us.
> We’d find out his popularity with no loss to us.
The “no loss to us” is debatable. I don’t have certainties about this issue.
That Tommy is brave is not in question, btw.
Bryan We may also get a risk free insight into the cost of admitting TR to UKIP by polling the views of the national network of UKIP Branch Officers. They are the ones who hold UKIP together, they are the ones who know their members and supporters, they are the ones who trudge the streets, organise stalls and give their time freely.
Where will the next generations of UKIP activists come from Jake ?
We’ve already had one case of branch skullduggery against TR and his supporters.
Surrey, I believe, had a meeting of 10 people and voted 4 x No TR versus 1 x Yes TR by a show of hands.
This was transmitted as the branch being 90% against TR.
The 5 abstainers could have been Yes TR but were too shy to go against the chairman.
It could be 60% Yes v 40% No in a secret ballot.
I don’t want anti-TR branch chairmen massaging the result in their favour.
Again, even IF he was admitted to membership, an NEC backed rule change would be required:
S.5 No former member of a Party or organisation on the proscribed list shall be permitted to apply to stand as a UKIP candidate; such information shall automatically lead to authority to stand being revoked and the matter will be referred to the Disciplinary Committee.
Damn !!
Foiled again.
No one on the history of earth has ever managed to change a rule. Any rule. Ever.
Sarc.
I think the ‘Legal Eagles’ knew the Tommy affair is a political ‘stitch up’ and could be damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. So chose the most sensible option available to them, i.e. kick it back to the politicians who caused this unholy mess.
I agree. But at some stage they have to make a decision because of the stress to him and his family. I doubt anything like this has happened before.
> have to make a decision because of the stress to him and his family
! ! !
They “have” to do nothing. The Pharisees at the top of LibLabCon and the Civil Service loathe TR for more than one reason. They’d love him to be stressed.
Their idiotic handling of the underlying issue and then of TR has made him into very influential figure, and I’ve no doubt whatsoever enough of “them” would like him dead.
In his shoes, I’d take many precautions. I hope he does. He certainly knows this.
If you read that due to depression TR has committed suicide, or was the victim of an accident, don’t believe a word of it.
Occam’s Razor suggests it will be murder.
WIth a Police Disservice so thoroughly infiltrated by Common Purpose and leftist propaganda at its highest levels (starting with the Dick at the top), you can be sure that there’s no protective surveillance.
“Lessons, however, will have been learned.”
He’s surrounded by paid BNP, EDL and Neo-Nazi thugs. He should be OK until he meets the AG.
VERY WELL SAID, SONYA PORTER ! AT LAST, A BALANCED ACCOUNT OF TOMMY ROBINSON AND HIS STORY.
It’s time it’s decided whether to let TR into UKIP or not and take the consequences whatever they may be.
The TR issue / obsession is a complete waste of time and diverts us all from more serious political debate.
It’s not in any members’ power to decide this. As Spon pointed out many times it’s down to Gerard and Kirsten to decide.
Get it over and done with. This is worse than Mrs May dancing round her handbag over Brexit.
Has this really not been sorted yet.A majority decision by Monday or your all out of a job,
I agree, the single and most over riding issue that should be concerning UKIP at the present time should be leaving the European Union, preferably under a ‘no deal arrangement where we trade under WTO rules, take back control of our own sovereignty, the making of our own laws in our own parliaments, able to control our own borders, and er………..also holding our inept prime minister to account. Anything else at this critical of all times, is a total distraction.
MR BAVERSTOCK.
I am ashamed for you. Give yourself a sharp slap and kindly refrain from associating the treacherous T May with a handbag.
The handbag is, IMO, an honourable piece of equipment and very much in the domain of the late Margaret Thatcher. Indeed, I am given to understand that she used hers to great effect on a number of occasions. Bit like me with my trusty rolling pin.
Going back to May – now if you’d said she was dancing around in tarty shoes and a short skirt she really doesn’t have the legs for……!
Regards.
I bet you have xxx
Sadly, May’s pins are the best part of May…
Freddy You are of course referring to her rolling pins!
The best part of May is the end of May.
If he isn’t then he is easily pleased. Her legs are shapeless
Regards.
Brenda Rattle wrote:
> If [Freddy] isn’t then he is easily pleased. Her legs are shapeless
No, Freddy isn’t easily pleased.
And yes, her legs are shapeless.
Notwithstanding, they are her best asset.
Think of her other ones… brains? Wit? Courage? Integrity? Truthfulness?
:–)
Actually, it’s Kirstan, with an A, and the NEC – although Gerard, as an NEC member gets one vote.
Kevin Baverstock, no Tommy didn’t “nearly got 20 rapists sprung free with a mistrial”. As the judge and CPS prosecutor said on the Tuesday after Tommy had been jailed, having finally watched Tommy’s livestream,. they agreed that what he said and did caused no risk of prejudice.
He had taken training from a top City law firm and everything he said and did was within the law. The words of the CPS and Judge Marson agreeing that there was no risk of prejudice are in the trial transcript. Tommy read it out in his statement after the case was referred to the Attorney General.
Maybe you should inform yourself better of the facts of the case Kevin, before you start to dismiss others who are better informed than you are as “knuckle-draggers”.
The picture of him with soldiers will have sent cold shudders up the spines of their Officers, who are always wary of them anway, of the civil servants and tiny politicians who also stay as far away as possibl. Contrary to popular belief, the army runs by permission of its men.Officers and suchlike are there to help.
Without doubt, the bravest man in Britain.
Unafraid to fight all the forces of Islam and the fully corrupt British Government.
Only Lord Pearson unafraid to support him.
When will he receive his deserved Knighthood.
You are taking this way way too far. Brave, come off it. Time to return to reality I think. Our servicemen fighting in foreign lands and police officers on the streets of Britain are far more braver, and are deserving of more recognition. Dear oh dear………….
When a Victoria Cross winner goes into battle, he does so with a rifle in his hands and his mates by his side.
When Tommy gets sent to prison on another trumped up charge, he goes in alone and unarmed. He knows he will be kept in solitary confinement, starved and tortured, as he was in HMP Onley. He knows he may well only emerge in a box. Before last Tuesday’s court appearance when everyone expected him to be sent back to prison, he even made a video saying that he would never commit suicide and doesn’t take drugs, in case they try to fake his death as they did that of David Kelly (allegedly).
Yet he keeps on speaking out. As he explained to his seven year old son, if his sacrifice stops just one little girl being raped, it will have been worth it. Yes, he is the bravest man in Britain.
Tortured in prison, in this country, what are you talking about. Another one who has no idea. Dear oh dear
The amount of Tommyrot I read on here is laughable. Talk of ‘knighthoods’ ‘ VCs’ ‘bravery’ ‘soldiers’ and other guff.
The idiot nearly got 20 rapists sprung free with a mistrial in his avaricious (successful) attempt to trouser click-money and donations from suckers who blindly follow him .
However, UKIP may as well decide which way it wants to go with this and get on with it so everyone can take sides and move on.
If UKIP is handed over to the knuckle-draggers, it’s extinct by Christmas.
Yes, tortured in prison, in this country.
Tommy was first moved from HMP Hull where he was relatively save to HMP Onley, the Category C prison with the highest proportion of Muslim prisoners in the country (30%). He was put in a ground floor cell opposite the prison mosque. The Muslims spat and threw excrement through the window, so he had to close it, and that was during the summer heatwave.
Since he could not eat the food for fear of Muslim kitchen staff putting ground glass in it, he had to buy his own. But because the judge had incorrectly classed him as a criminal (contempt of court is a civil offence) he only had £10 to spend a week, of which he spent £5 phoning his wife. With the remaining £5 he survived on a tin of tuna and a piece of fruit a day. That’s why he was 40lbs lighter when he came out after ten weeks
He repeatedly complained to the Governor and asked to be allowed to work to get more money to buy food (he showed photos of the complaint forms) but was ignored. He has already said he is suing the Governor of HMP Onley.
Have you really not heard any of this? If so, it is you who have no idea Colin. Time to stop relying on the MSM and educate yourself about what is going on. Tommy’s Facebook page is the place to start. You can see his video evidence of how Sky News literally made up quotes that he never said.
Soldiers and police officers, when they go out to fight, tend to do so in numbers.
Tommy is an army of one. He is up against the entire fricking ESTABLISHMENT of this country alone! He was expecting to go back to Onley and possibly lose his life for OUR freedoms!
Don’t you get this? Do you have the guts to stand up for something you passionately believe is right Hussey? Well do you?
It is apparent to me that you do not know ANYTHING about service life whether it be in the armed services or the police, in which case you should not make the type of comments that you have. Total ignorance. Just continue to live in your cosseted dream world with no idea of reality. Get a grip……..
In a debate you have to offer your reasons that a person is wrong and the reasons you are correct.
Bellowing out “You’re wrong” with nothing to back up your argument really isn’t good enough.
Here’s point number 1 (more to follow if req.) that I would like you to actually address rather than just offering another ad hominem attack.
TR is fighting Islamic extremism. The prison kitchen at HMP Olney is controlled by Islamic extremists.
The Islamic extremists have told TR that his food will be tampered with be it poison, drugs or broken glass.
Colin, how does a prisoner eat if he cannot eat food produced in the prison kitchen ?
Wouldn’t you think that the UKIP Comms team would learn something from Tommy Robinson, that to present your arguments and case powerfully, clearly, by video, is one of the best ways to get a message out? Where are our latest videos on Brexit, HS2, Crime, the scandal of the profligate quangos, our abysmal underfunded military and border police, the evils of halal slaughter…and so on. As far as I’m aware, HQ struggles to produce a leaflet.
Hi Russell, as I’ve said, Fararge the defector is going around UK with his buddies continuing to slate UKIP, Gerard,and Members(thats me) on a non political stage. Many many of us have been holding stalls etc (some like ours in Bath with revolting devastating actions against us, but we still do it.) let Faratge gob off, as long as it keeps him away from me that’can only be positive. Us Members, with Gerard’s full backing are doing the Brexit thing. Media (the false) wouldn’t/won’t touch us sooooo. We will continue. But whilst our children are being raped by mostly Followers of Islam, I will continue to support a political party, not the ex Brexit only one. Tommy and us followers will win, Gerard isn’t blind to that hence his support. We are capable of doing more than one thing at once – Mr Hookem and OUR military – thanks to Tommy (again) for hi lighting this which has kick started us on the Military front. The quicker we get more patriotic support for our country the better.
Bryan,
As per usual you are making up things up. I speak with experience of certain things that I have mentioned. I have not served a prison sentence, but I have been a prison officer if that counts which I think it does. It is all too easy to say this and that is controlled by various factions in prisons and that the police arrest persons without any evidence as you seem to believe, but I would suggest that like everything you say, you have made this statement and others having heard someone else repeat it, not having first hand experience or evidence of it yourself. This is called ‘hearsay evidence’ in law, and therefore not worth a light. Would not be accepted in court or anywhere else. This is why dismiss more or less everything you come out with. It is laughable, except it isn’t funny.
Were you a good prison officer ?
Enjoyed your work and helped protect the inmates under your supervision.
I’m sure it’s not too difficult to accidently leave one inmate in a cell and turn a blind eye as half a dozen other inmates pile in and knock his teeth out.
Maybe things like that never happened on your shifts and I’m the first to tell you. It happened to TR.
I totally expect prison staff to protect themselves first. As the prison service is being privatised and underfunded, it must be a nightmare worrying if enough staff are available to help if they are being attacked.
I’ve no idea how long ago you were a prison officer but I reckon being either a prisoner or prison officer is worse these days.
Unless you’re in a big gang controlling drug supply and enforcing fear to control the rest of the inmates.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prison-violence-self-injury-uk-highest-level-record-inmates-figures-hmp-liverpool-nottingham-a8177286.html
Bryan, Again you are making assumptions not based on fact. Yet again your argument is based on hearsay evidence, in other words what somebody else has told you, or what you have read. It is obvious to most who read these posts that you know so little as to what really goes on in prison and the criminal justice system as a whole. Yes, some prisons were ‘privatised’ as you put it, but recently some of those have been returned to the prison service. The prisoners might actually peel some potatoes and carrots, serve the food up at meal times and do the washing up etc, but the meals are prepared by specialised prison officers and paid staff staff, and what the prisoners do is heavily supervised. Honestly, do you REALLY believe that prisoners who have no qualifications in catering etc would be allowed to decide menu content, the amounts produced, and actually prepare the meals, meat based, vegetarian or otherwise. If you do, you’re living in cloud cuckoo land. Also, prisoners are not accidentally locked within other prisoners cells, so as to allow beatings etc. Prison life has to be strictly controlled, otherwise all hell would break loose. In my time as a prison officer life was much worse for both the prisoner and the staff, with slopping out in potties rather than toilets in cells, with perhaps two or three prisoners to a cell, with very little exercise, and no chance of working.
Colin,
Once again you type much but say little.
The treatment of TR at the hands of the Common Purpose Home Office, via the corrupt judiciary, is worthy of any dictatorship criticised at the UN for human rights abuses.
TR has written a statement regarding his stay at HMP Olney after transfer from.Hull, I believe, after his illegal conviction on political grounds.
I repeat the witness statement of the actual victim. The witness statement that is written by an expert stating how and where the victim’s human rights were not protected.
If that is hearsay, as you say, everything you have ever read and every quote you’ve repeated is worth nothing. It’s all hearsay.
The reason you believe you are correct is that you’re an ex-prison officer. No date offered but obviously it was worse and tougher and harder when you did it, compared to now. It always is with blowhards.
This is where your ‘argument’ is lost.
What you say is only hearsay. You were not at either HMP Hull or HMP Olney during TR’s illegal imprisonment. You were not near TR when threats were shouted regarding the serving of tampered food. You do not know the inmates who are preparing and serving.
So the victim’s statement is wrong and you, despite being nowhere near HMP.Olney are correct.
Now that’s laughable.
Russell, Well said and one that I fully agree with. Also one of few sensible posts on this thread. Have you been invited onto the top table yet?
Ah Bryan, at last you have written something sensible here, and that’s the bit about Common Purpose. Yes those who have voluntarily subjected themselves to this politically correct training scheme, have infiltrated our public services at the very highest level. However we are back to square one again with the comment about what happens within prison kitchens. I have already mentioned it once but will do so again for your benefit. Prisoners DO NOT decide upon meal content, DO NOT prepare them. They peel potatoes and carrots and serve the meals up under very strict supervision. Another thing, it is of no consequence of when and where I served. The problem is that will not accept that there might people out here who know just a little bit more than you. That’s the last I am going to say on this subject. As for keiths comment about me relying on the MSM, I have no time whatsoever for the mainstream media. They misrepresent everything about Brexit and UKIP, because it doesn’t suit their narrative.
Colin, if you don’t rely on the MSM, why did you have no idea about what Tommy was subjected to in Onley Prison?
UN Convention against Torture Article 1: “Torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.”
The treatment Tommy says he suffered in HMP Onley certainly fits that definition: consent and acquiescence by a public official in inflicting severe mental suffering.
Very good summary.
One thing that does not get enough coverage, imo, is that the rapes themselves are racial. The rape gangs specifically pick on girls who are not muslim. In fact (someone correct me if I’m wrong – I can’t find it on the net after a quick search) didn’t one set of rapists or perhaps a single rapist get their sentence increased because it was racially motivated?
Oh, but I’ve just remembered … only white people can be racist.
Geoff, it is religion based rather than strictly racial. Although it is coincidentally the case that in the UK non-Muslims are predominantly white.
In Nigeria black Muslim men abduct and rape black Christian girls. They are not being racist.
In the UK Hindu and Sikh girls have also been targeted. Their communities seem to be more proactive in protecting their girls than is the white community.
We need to avoid confusion between race and religion.
Muslims can be white-skinned. Islam itself is not racist, they welcome all converts, of whatever race, and they target all “kaffirs” ie those who are not Muslim, whether they be of European, Asian, African or any other racial grouping. We must not talk about “Asian” gangs because some of their victims are Asian, it is a slur on all non-Muslim Asians, say Sikhs, who are also amongst their victims, to be tarred with the same brush.
Tommy Robinson’s great achievement is to have singled out the Islamic underpinning of the activities of these gangs. Under Islamic rules, women are in in case inferior to men, and non-Muslim women are the dregs, “easy meat” for Muslim men. It is explained in great detail in a book “Easy Meat”, by Patrick McCloughlin.
The conflict provoked by Islamic gangs must not be allowed to degenerate into “white vs coloured”, which is what say the BNP would like. It is not a conflict of one race against another. It is a conflict of value systems, and ideologies. For instance we value religious freedom, the freedom to change your religion if you wish. Under Islamic sharia law the penalty for leaving Islam is death. In 8 countries today that is the law of the land, it is a capital offence; and in most Islamic majority countries it is in any case a criminal offence.
“…..which is what say the BNP would like…..” That’s just rubbish and you should know better. The BNP were reporting on Muslim rape gangs before anyone else had the guts to, and much good it did them.
Enquiring minds would like to know if there is there a reason why you, “jazz606”, and “Alan Hill” share not only an identical looking gravatar but also an identically addressed gravatar?
Amateurs! ;D
Sockpuppets! Russel’s favourite subject 😉
The racist paedophile rape gang leaders are also part of a dangerous network of drug importers.
They are moving heroin from Afghanistan through Pakistan and Turkey, ending up in the veins of Britons suffering from mental imbalance or societal let down.
Heroin is part of Jihadist’s war against our country and our people.
With regards to Tommy and his wife and children being held hostage by the LibLabCon and Law Society on behalf of the evil Establishment, it once again shows how they cannot tolerate any threat to their aims of killing off the working class.
Think about it.
The police farce are being removed from urban streets allowing young murderers to patrol areas with knives and guns.
Lack of decent schooling, housing and well paid employment opportunities have led to an increase in depression, imprisonment and suicides.
Young urban kids now have to run the gauntlet of death squads roaming their streets armed with knives or heroin.
Where do struggling Britons find role models to speak up for them ?
And when they do find one, the State uses all it’s might and corruption to crush their hero.
To prove how corrupt they and their msm puppets are, they glorify his political imprisonment and hope Tommy becomes another David Kelly. Not death in the woods but death in an HM prison.
Tommy must have incredibly intelligent supporters offering advice because I cannot believe one man can be attacked so often but every time, like a Weeble he not just wobbles up, he rises like a lion with an ever bigger pride willing to join him.
We need Tommy and he needs us. We’re too apathetic, busy, lazy, working or fearful of repercussions to get involved, so we need to push him on to ever bigger audiences to increase the pressure on the lying and corrupt NUJ, Law Society and Parliament.
We have funded the start of a movement.
A movement that through Tommy speaks for us all.
A movement that is sick to death of media outlets demonising the working class fighting for their communities, culture and heritage.
A movement that will fight Fascist union and political leaders treating us as the new Jews.
Shockingly we had union and Labour council funded agitators outside the Old Bailey cahating “Nazi scum” at Jewish speakers supporting TR.
All protected by City of London Police. At that point the police should have either arrested them or walked away. Let Tommy’s Jewish supporters deal with the evil union Fascists.
2 thousand Tommies versus 2 dozen Fascists is the perfect odds to me.
Tommy now has his own media outlets via Canada after being closed down in the UK. That’s proper Fascism.
Tommy has the funds to bring proceedings against the daily libelling of us by State provocateurs masquerading as journalists.
The Sun and Times are on the attack to protect Sky. Daily lies to ostracise Tommy just the same as the Nazis closed down Jewish businesses. The State’s enforcers already closed Tommy’s businesses so what’s next, a number tattooed on all Tommy’s supporters and a ride to a prison full of Jihadists.
The State will try to ruin anyone threatening their undeserved wealth and privilege.
The UK economy is not to be shared equally amongst all Britons.
If any LibLabCon rats, especially the “I’m alright Jacks” voting for them are reading this, the tide is turning.
The LibLabCon are weaponising foreigners against us as proven by the tens of thousands of Europeans and their EU Blueshirts on the streets chanting insults at their tolerant hosts.
Times are changing. We need to pull our finger out and either support our movement by turning up or donating.
As an afterthought look at the dribbling of the msm regarding a Saudi journalist being killed in Istanbul. Top story…….woe is me…..hand wringing……etc etc.
A British journalist sent to prison as a political prisoner and threatened with death is not just ignored but is demonised and they encourage their readership to hate and attack him.
My next donation is for SKY News. Get those corrupt State propagandists in the own dock.
Bryan,
You speak for me.
I wish I was so eloquent.
You forgot to mention though that the Deadly Islamic Forces are being deliberately imported into Britain, in their millions, by Teresa May and the British Traitors in Government.
/////Deadly Islamic Forces are being deliberately imported into Britain, in their millions, by Teresa May and the British Traitors in Government.////
Rubbish
Theresa May is totally in thrall to Islam.
Have a look at this and reflect on how, under her reign as Home Secretary, the number of Sharia Courts in our country proliferated until many Muslims living here believe they are living in a Muslim country.
Perhaps that is Mrs May’s ultimate desire. It certainly seems like it.
Sharia courts have no legal powers in this country.
Kevin Baverstock wrote:
> Sharia courts have no legal powers in this country.
In that they are like arbitration which is optional but once you opt in, their rulings *are* binding.
So, why should any sane person submit herself to the sharia court system?
Answer:
Family and peer pressure, the fear of being shunned, of being called an apostate (with the theoretically terminal penalties applying to them), of being accused of going to secular authorities and so bringing Islam into disrepute, etc.
Dont’ underestimate this problem.
Now, India is a country which has almost 200 million Muslims in it, numbers growing much faster than the rest of the population, and the government has recently rejected calls for implementation of sharia law:
https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-centre-rejects-aimplb-proposal-to-open-sharia-courts-across-country-2635186
The Indian Government “strongly rejected proposal by Muslims bodies to open Sharia courts across the country. Reacting to the controversy, [it] made it clear that [it] is against it and called it legally untenable..
“Debate is unnecessary. It’s against the Constitution. All India Muslim Personal Law Board has no power to set up courts. Those supporting it know it’s legally untenable. There’s nothing but politics behind it”.
Earlier it was reported, that … the highest decision making body on Muslim affairs, is planning to open Darul-Qaza (Shariat courts) in all districts of the country to resolves issues in line with Islamic laws… We plan to open one such court in all districts of the country. The objective of Darul-Qaza is to resolve matters in light of Shariat laws instead of going to other courts,” senior member AIMPLB, Zafaryab Zilani, told PTI.”
“Rubbish”
Nope.
Oi !!
Oo you calling eloquent?
I hope for his sake that Tommy does not join UKIP because the party is a ‘black hole’ riven by dessent and thoroughly infiltrated by Tory retreats and God knows who else. Tommy Robinson is now a big enough brand to start his own movement rather than shackle himself to the UKIP cripple.
I’m having a little bet with myself that you won’t publish this.
@Alan Hill,
I’m starting to agree.
At the same time, Gerard Batten and Lord Pearson were quick to offer support to TR and his supporters after last week’s human rights fiasco imposed at the Old Bailey.
Any Tories reading this should know that the Attorney General is a Conservative MP.
Tommy Robinson’s life is in the hands of an Establishment crook dressed in blue.
Did you win or did you lose . . .?
But if Tommy were to join UKIP then he would have a ready-made ‘movement’, the Party which achieved the Referendum, at his fingertips, ready to go. It takes a lot of organising to start a new political party, and a long period of time which we don’t have if we are going to achieve that Brexit we’ve fought for over long years. And don’t slam Gerard Batten — he’s picked the Party up, dusted it down and got it going again. He’s our ‘rock’ and we have to build on what he is doing.
No, he would not. I don’t believe the majority of UKIP would follow him . Still, I agree it’s up to TPTB to decide yay or nay to his membership. Don’t suppose the major sponsors fancy it much though.
On the bright side, it would make the evening news.
Lose some members, pick up more members; lose one lot of sponsors and pick up another lot… If the members and the public are shown that the Government and TPTB have been lying and what TR is really like and that he has been fighting for his country and against the Globalists, then we shall gain a huge number of new members.
But I agree — whether Tommy Robinson joins UKIP — which he wants to do — or not MUST be decided very soon. It would have been more democratic if we had been able to put it to the members’ vote, but we do not have the time. We have no time.
Memo to our Leader and Chairwoman: It must be done now.
Agreed. Stop messing about.
It would certainly liven things up. Tommy Robinson vs the UKIP establishment. A show worth watching.
I don’t think it would end well for either side though.
Spot on sonya. Tommy in charge of UKIP Grooming Gang army., Mike i/c fish &Navy, Henry Bolton I/c army defence,Flyer i/c RAF, and others ..Each army to charge £10 extra to belongto it . But communal Head Office Staff, Shop org. Leaflet suggestions, PR Centre.GB steadying hand as leader. Reece Jones for Internet army, etc
All members of LmL and others to begiven associate/patron status and yhe use of HO again.
What could possibly go wrong.
Well I lost my bet so well done UKIP Daily.
I recently rejoined UKIP having previously left the party in 2004 during the 2004 Kilroy Silk era when UKIP made a breakthrough in the European Elections increasing from 3 to 12 MEPs.
Kilroy Silk was was almost entirely responsible for this; he re energised the party and reached parts of the electorate that hitherto been out of bounds to UKIP even putting Farage in the shade.
Following on this success KS thought he would like to be chairman or leader and he’d have got my vote, he was just what we needed. However the Tory Retread jobsworths who IMHO run UKIP to this day were having none of it and Kilroy subsequently left UKIP. This was a huge loss and I was so disgusted that I left too.
Recently I was persuaded to rejoin and help set up a constituency association in the Henley Constituency because (amazingly) there are no active UKIP constituency associations in Oxfordshire although there are approximately 360 members in the county. I soon discovered that the party is still being very badly run by the same type of people who were running it previously and following a debacle where our county organiser (and I use the term ‘organiser’ very loosely) torpedoed an attempt to set up the microcosm of a constituency association I resigned once more.
As far as the Tommy Robinson issue is concerned I think he should stay clear of UKIP because it won’t do him or his cause any good I think it’s fair to say that UKIP needs Tommy a lot more than Tommy needs UKIP. Champagne lunches with lord Pearson at the House of Lords notwithstanding.
There is no reason to suspect that Viv & Co.would not publish your comments. The moderators are very tolerant of criticism of what is after all a Libertarian party according to it’s constitution. Exceeding the 400 word limit….well……
@Alan. That would resolve the issue nicely. Let Tommy start his own brand/party. I will throw in £20 right away.
I really think that would be best for everyone. And I’m sure he would be very successful. I’d join him.
He might have Ukip on his proscribed organisations list.