Since last June, when we voted for Brexit, many have speculated that the work of UKIP is over, it is obsolete and it will fade into obscurity. Theresa May amongst others, seems to love the idea that UKIP is now irrelevant and to be consigned to the history books and I wish it were true, I wish we could pat ourselves on the back and put our feet up. The reality is, that after the Brexit referendum, absolutely nothing has happened, just hot air and platitudes by Theresa May, while endless court cases try to derail Brexit. Can’t you just sense an enormous upcoming stitch up? A recent article by James Delingpole in Breitbart is a good read, it really highlights the extent of the battle against globalisation that we still face if we want our country back.
I am confident that eventually we will leave the European Union, even if it does get very messy along the way, but let’s assume we’ve already left: would UKIPs work be over? Unfortunately, I still think that UKIP would have many battles ahead of it, there is little point in leaving the European Union unless we can control the influence of the United Nations upon our country, difficult as were a permanent member. The United Nations was founded in 1945 with the stated objective of ending wars (where have we heard that one before?), an objective in which it has been entirely unsuccessful. It’s always the case isn’t it, that the totalitarian nightmare that is being built around us, so we’re told, is always for our own good.
In 1959, the John Birch society started a ‘get out of the United Nations’ campaign on the basis that its real purpose was to establish a one world government: something that I have heard suggested many times. I’ve always considered it entirely possible that as the European Union implodes, this was away part of the globalist agenda, it was a prototype designed to be superseded by the United Nations. Even Charles de Gaulle criticised the United Nations (he called it: Le Machin) as he didn’t think it would help maintain world peace, he’s since been proved right. Whatever the truth the UN certainly seems to have become a useful tool of the globalists as proved by Obama recently as he used it against Israel. Author Jonah Goldberg in article in the National Review, accuses the United Nations of behaving like a ‘Globalist God State.’
The voting system at the United Nations, allows one country one vote. It has been argued that given there are a larger number of countries in the developing world, it has given them the ability to gang up on the west, favour their own interests and even be openly hostile towards us. According to an old article from 1999 by David Littman in the Middle East Forum “Islamism Grows Stronger at the United Nations,” the Islamic world for some time now has grown very adept at using the United Nations Court of Human Rights to pursue Islamic agendas. Since that article was published, I would say it has been proved to be correct, there is currently mounting evidence that Saudi money has been supporting our globalist politicians and their endeavours. Between the European Court of Human Rights and the United Nations Court of Human Rights, their influence has made it virtually impossible for Britain and Europe to stop or even moderate the flow of illegal immigrants into our countries.
The United Nations it would be seen is being used as a bridgehead for the invasion of our country, as is the European Union. Our country is becoming dangerously overcrowded, racial tensions are rising rapidly and we have to worry about being blown up, stabbed or shot in our public places, the real effect of globalisation upon us and it will get worse. As I wrote in a previous article, ‘Surviving the human tsunami,’ our relations with the Third World need to be carefully managed, populations there are out of control and expected to increase by another three billion in just over thirty years. We cannot carry the weight of the world on our shoulders, reality will have to set in eventually. My thoughts on this were confirmed in a recent article on Zerohedge: ‘As We Enter 2017, Keep The Big Picture In Mind.’ According to this article, much of this coming explosive third world population growth will come at a time when the world’s oil resources are starting to dwindle dramatically. That the world is heading for serious trouble, strife and famine there can be no doubt.
The future of the human race will certainly be one of winners and losers and we need to decide now whether we wish to be winners or losers, whether we wish to face the coming times of trouble cohesively as a nation or as stateless outcasts wandering aimlessly as did the Jews. If you look at the strongest proponents of globalisation, you’ll notice that they are all extremely wealthy people, people that we’ve come to call The Elite, people that look after themselves very well. This leads me to believe, that the real reason for globalisation and organisations like the United Nations and the European Union are to protect The Elite, having nothing to do with the altruism that they espouse. I don’t blame these people for doing what they do, we all have the right to fight to survive and that includes us.
To give our country away as the world faces some extremely difficult times would be to condemn our children to a life of something resembling the Third World but by then probably a lot worse. Our children will live in a very polarised society, poorly paid with little job security, in an overcrowded, overpopulated country and becoming increasingly violent as scarcity and hunger spark of race wars. The bleeding heart liberal lefties, that have been brainwashed or naively choose to believe that we’re all going to live as one big happy family in this world, with their God looking over them, are in for a rude awakening.
If we want our country back and we would be wise to, then we must support UKIP. As James Delingpole says in the article that I mention above:
“we’ve won some important battles against the globalists, but that doesn’t mean we will win the war. The globalists, being the ruthless people they are will now redouble their efforts.”
The work of UKIP, far from being over is only just beginning and must make its voice heard and its presence felt again in the new year.
I would like to see a UK version of this from UKIP:
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf
Of course UKIP first needs to transform itself into a credible opposition party but such a proclamation could be part of that process.
On a side note Nigel Farage seems to have become extremely toxic from what I have read recently; we need to keep our respect for him but not link the future UKIP to him. Nevertheless UKIP can never have universal appeal; the quest for such would be misguided and detrimental to bold policies which could ensure a majority.
David,
Why do you insist on calling Nigel Farage ‘extremely toxic’ when he is simply telling the truth, Suzanne Evans and Carswell started saying that about him and I really think it is out of order, how dare they, who do they think they are? And talking of Carswell where is he. is he dead?
Well said DD. In what way is Nigel ‘toxic’ please explain. I have noticed that if anything Nigel is extremely careful and doesn’t want to get involved with anything but the fight against the Globalist elite, which is fair enough because without him there would have been no Brexit, and without Brexit Trump may not have triumphed, and we have given Europe some backbone too, and Nigel wants to continue his mission to do that. So he is not involving himself at all in the other pressing problem of the Islamisation of the West or the UK from what I’ve seen and heard/read. If you have evidence for your statement, David, please give it so we can agree or disagree.
Well said DD. In what way is Nigel ‘toxic’ please explain. I have noticed that if anything Nigel is extremely careful and doesn’t want to get involved with anything but the fight against the Globalist elite, which is fair enough because without him there would have been no Brexit, and without Brexit Trump may not have triumphed, and we have given Europe some backbone too, and Nigel wants to continue his mission to do that. So he is not involving himself at all in the other pressing problem of the Islamisation of the West or the UK from what I’ve seen and heard/read. If you have evidence for your statement, David, please give it so we can agree or disagree.
Just my impression from various comments I see. I would also question his availability now that he is involved elsewhere. He did a great job for us but left behind a party which has been in disarray for too long. The truth of what he said and continues to say is beyond question but the media will continue to attack him at every opportunity.
David,
It seems strange to me that you attack Nigel Farage in such a way by calling him ‘extremely toxic’ in one breath then say he did a great job for us. However, I do agree with you that he left behind a party that started to fall apart when he eventually left.
Unfortunately, despite us trying to mend the divisions and promote our cause it does not appear to be having much impact IMO, we are basically being ignored and because of Nigel’s notoriety he is the only one being sought after by the press.
It is turning into a slippery slope of oblivion I am afraid.
Donald- Nigel has left to fight this battle on a different front and I’m sure he’ll be very effective.
UKIP is all the United Kingdom has at the moment to stop it sliding into oblivion. It’s about time the leadership recognised this responsibility and provided the same forceful leadership that Nigel did, it’s not a job for the faint-hearted.
David, what are you reading? Who wrote it? What is their agenda? Are you allowing yourself to be misled by enemedia conjecture and lies?
Far from being ‘extremely toxic’ (what does that mean anyway?) Nigel Farage is the Man of 2016, the peacetime heir to Churchill and the hero who has saved our country from further ruin in the EU.
The only people who come out with the ‘toxic’ gibberish are themseves our highly toxic enemies, working against everything UKIP loves, stands for, and is inspired by – and that very definitely includes Nigel.
I don’t listen to or read the opinions of the enemy within anymore: they are always the same whining, self-serving, sanctimonious, love-everyone-else-in-the-world-even-if-they-want-to-kill-you-but-hate-the-British, perverted twerps. I’ve heard their message repeated ad nauseam for half a century and it’s as empty and rotten as ever. Even now the tide has turned, the thick bozos don’t realise it and keep singing the same old loopy, loony, lefty song to each other like echo chambers.
Panmelia, I am extremely sceptical of what I read in the media (aka the propaganda wing of the enemy) but I’m sure that others are not. UKIP needs new members to be able to operate effectively and I don’t think the way that Nigel is portrayed is helpful to that need.
What is the point of being in the UN when every little tin pot country and dictatorship and banana republic and islamic hellhole can have a vote and influence matters? They’re not worthy to do this.
I wish that Donald Trump would ask the UN to kindly remove themselves to another building in another country (don’t care where) and use the existing building as a meeting place for representatives of civilised nations, ie largely the Anglosphere, with other advanced democratic countries admitted provided they agreed to use English (this might exclude the French) as the world language for discussions and speeches (no more tower of babel with billions spent on translators/translated documents).
These countries would have similar aims: to promote the welfare and happiness of their own people in their own lands (no globalisation or immigration from the 3rd world) and the organisation would be a talking shop to iron out any difficulties among themselves that would arise.
It goes without saying that no islamic countries would be admitted to this group. They and the other 3rd world countries would have to sort themselves out with no aid whatever from the civilised countries except fair trade of goods. Without trillions in foreign aid being paid out to corrupt political and religious dictators, they could perhaps choose better leaders and stand on their own two feet for a change.
It’s time the First World halted its self-destructive guilt trip and stopped the process of its hard-won civilisations being dragged down to Third World level
Let’s just wait a while and see what Trump’s policy towards then turns out to be. I am absolutely in support of killing off the UN and all its factions. De-funding it would be a good start.
It’s the old story of “teach a man to fish…”, not provide him with a free food supply on demand.
The best thing that has happened since the referendum is not in the UK at all, but in the US.
The election of Trump, due to be inaugurated on 20th January, will give the world a practical demonstration of what a world outside of the all too cosy Metropolitan Elite (UK parliament, the two US Houses, the EU, the justice and administration systems of all the foregoing, the entire MSM, the banks, the multinationals… the list goes on.)
This will increasingly assist us.
Now is not the time to flinch. We have the Dutch and then the French voting in the early part of the year. Whatever happens, we will see change there.
The movement of the real ‘public sphere’ (yes it actually takes a hoary old Marxist like Habermas to rail against refeudalization of power!), will become unstoppable.
We must resist the ‘voice of command’ (another contribution from entirely the wrong side, Marcuse!) which creates the ‘one-dimensional citizen’.
I have no shame in quoting these people. If anyone wants to know why, I suggest they examine the words of The Siphonaptera by Jonathan Swift:
To which we may maul the next two lines thusly:
Yes, Trump is a breath of fresh air and he is influencing matters long before he’s been sworn in. Ford have decided to cancel a proposed hybrid/electrical car plant in Mexico and establish it in Michigan instead. This is because Trump threatens sky-high tariffs for importing goods made abroad when they could have been made in America. So it seems that businesses can be forced to show the patriotism they should have been showing in the first place if their pockets are in question.
I love the use of language in Trump’s First 100 days Contract with the American Voter (see link above in David’s comment). It says he’s going to ‘drain the swamp of Washington’ and tells voters ‘you can send your kid [to the school of your choice]’.
You can still hear Donald’s voice from when he was on the stump!
The brexit vote .due to Nigel Farage ukip was very high profile in the brexit vote outcome .because of that an important link was established that voters will not forget .
More work has to done to enlarge the number of council seats that ukip hold .if this can be done on a gradual basis main election seats will follow in general elections.
Ukip needs to enlarge their funds so more key leafleting can be established .so a priority to enlarge the kitty and a drive to secure more ukip members .and votes will come.in council and general elections .
Exactly this Stuart, Council elections May, UKIP need to target them carefully especially the ones that are part of the trial where there have been suspected irregularities=mass fraud to you and me.
No doubt at all that we’ve still a long way to go. Changing the manufactured perception that we are a single issue party, full of “ists and phobes”, that is split into waring factions and who have now completed their work, is just the start. The Cumbria and local May elections are essential, we have to show progress or we’ll be written off.
From my reading of the situation, money is very tight at HQ, who historically have failed to understand that many branches work with small pools of activists that simply doesn’t allow us to use the same tactics as the Tories and Labour, with their big numbers of volunteers and heavy purses. It’s hard to convert members into activists and takes brave people go out on the streets representing UKIP. We know how the old parties work but can’t compete. What we do need is access to low cost electoral materials, the top team to plug a limited number of key UKIP policies and complete unity from Paul’s “cabinet”, who seem to be doing well so far.
It’s also essential to get over the message that Mrs May is doing a Cameron, pretending she will negotiate a highly beneficial deal before implementing full Brexit. She does not want the sort of escape we voted for, has no plans for proper border control and is fully committed to globalisation. Most Tories are still Remainers.
Icini, even if money is tight we can still get our message out there for practically nothing via social media. Every UKIP tweet could be giving a link to a Utube video from a spokesperson detailing UKIP policy. I think one of the main problems is that as yet do we know what policy on anything is? We need detail not generalization. That needs to be sorted out as fast as possible, and could be also be done on line by emailing to Branch Chairs so that branches could discuss and, it would be nice to think, approve or disapprove and return to Policy Maker (who he or she?) so that a majority of members approved of policy that was put forward in our name. Very simple actually! Let’s do it! ( Some hope!). All of that would cost just one person tech savvy to set it up and co-ordinate.
The trouble seems to be that UKIP is only slowly creeping into the 21st century – although this could be happening and I have been left off the list – but if I have been, which according to Panmelia I have, how many others have?
You say it is hard to convert members into activists, but these days, while it is good to have boots on,the ground, a great deal more can be done online, and if UKIP haven’t got the hang of anything else they have got the hang of blocking comments! Neil Hamilton’s Utube Christmas message was generalizations about the sunlit uplands of Brexit, but I was unable to comment and ask for UKIP’s agricultural policy fr Welsh farmers. How useful it may have been had I been able to (if they have one). Then it is out there for all to see, and there are some of us who can’t physically do much, but can do a lot online – as this wonderful facility of UKIP Daily does.
The UN is indeed the public face of the enemy and must be dealt with. Think what good could be done with the (our) money they squander.
However we must focus on the immediate issue of the EU first. Maybe Trump will turn out to be our ally against the UN and all its factions in the meantime.
UKIP definitely has lots of WORKS to do!
I am not impressed that it is doing them; or, has even started doing them in the right directions!
What are these oustandings?
1. It needs to improve clarifications about its objectives making them attractive and sell them to all voters.
2. It needs to counter the public(-majority) perception/misperception that it is a single-issue(anti-immigration and all immigrants) protest party.
3. It needs to optimise the standards of internal management and administration – starting with our Constitution – which must newly accommodate and respect independent internal auditors as management tools; then, evolution of organigrams for its Head Office and Branches.
4. It needs to design job descriptions for all staff – employed and volunteers.
5. It needs to improve superintendence/supervision to ensure essential and desirable compliances.
6. In order to enhance essential growths, it needs allow tested and members currently within branches who have tested and proven competencies at multi-faceted projects and allied changes management to develop political constituency sections and ward units out of existing branches to counter current suspect stagnation and complacencies.
Unless and until it effects all above with some more, it will not win MP seats; and, more Councillor seats in London.
It is unfortunate that elected and appointed members have still not initiated and implemented these.
What exactly is UKIP NEC for, and, what are the cost-benefits to us of their continuing existence?
Which of Leader Paul Nuttall’s current team are square pegs in round holes?
Branch meetings do not impress me as effective fora for these pertinent optimisation intercourses.
Enough for now.
Please comment.
Indeed there is much to do but first UKIP must solve its immediate problems or it will not be around to do the job.
I’m sure that most of us know what those internal problems are but are they being faced up to and dealt with?
Seton,
I am afraid that most of the points you are making are complete gobbledgook!
There are only two points I can make any sense of and may possibly agree with you on, they are: 1) We are not a one issue party.
2) How do you know that people working for UKIP do not have job descriptions? and it is ridiculous to suggest that volunteers need one, unless they are completely thick.
I think you may need to go away and come up with some more coherent and sensible points, just a suggestion on my part.
I think that post came from a random cryptographic word generator…
Sussex man,
Yes, that could be why it makes absolutely no sense what’s ever! But there have been several of these under this person’s name, I am not sure he understands how English has to be written. It would be better if he did not post anything at all, however, it could be like one of the other threads where it is all written in some sort of code!
Donald
It is essential for paid staff and volunteers to have job descriptions, otherwise you will have different persons doing the same thing too differently.
I know that not all persons working for UKIP have job descriptions because when I was elected Membership Secretary in/for a branch; one of the first things I requested was the job description, after several requests, I was emailed that UKIP does not have one, and that I could use the Branch Secretary’s job description.
A very high proportion of The London Public see UKIP as a single-issue party, which explains why we are not doing well in elections London!
I had very recently suggested that constituencies and wards be allowed to “grow” out of branches to maximise membership and votes; and had proposed my own Ponders End Ward in Enfield for a “Pilot Project”.
Seton,
Thank you for your reply, I have asked you questions in the past and you have not replied. Anyway, in answer to your proposals, I would have thought that being in the role of membership secretary the function of which is really self evident. I myself am in that role and have not felt the need to ask for a job description on how to perform it, perhaps if there was one I may be able to increase the membership, but I do not see how.
What do you mean by ‘grow’ can you expand on this concept, is it a bit like ‘blue sky thinking’ or ‘pushing the envelope’? to me it is ponderous. And what is stopping you initiating your ‘Pilot Project’ in Ponders End?
Roles can be self-evident but means different things to different people – job descriptions support corporate consistency, overviews and guides for supervision and optimisations.
Grow to me means “increase”.
What “is” stopping me initiating a PILOT PROJECT are:-
a, finding out what others think of/about my idea;
b, conforming to party rules to avoid being seen as
starting another party – considering that I will
most certainly introduce some new strategies,
policies and practices.
c, I prefer to work within UKIP – United Kingdom
Independence Party although I have got a website
http://www.ukiphome.me.uk on stand-by(UKIPHOME is United
Kingdom Improvements Policies HOME).
d, Intercourses about initiating and development of
such “growth” matters during monthly two-hour
branch meetings are inappropriate for me.
OK Seton, well the best of luck with that.
Seton, I have ever heard of a job description being requested or provided for a VOLUNTARY UNPAID role. The whole purpose of a job description is to guide or instruct a paid employee in the carrying out of his/her duties and to hold that employee to account if they fail to do so.
Conversely, the employee is entitled to wave his/her job description in the faces of the employers if they try to demand extra duties or work not specified in the JD. Of course, the latter very rarely works, because employers have a sneaky habit of putting in vague clauses that require ‘flexibility’ in performing unspecified tasks ‘as and when needed’. That’s my experience anyway.
As for UKIP branch secretaries and membership secretaries (I perform a combined role), if the person appointed at the last AGM is regarded as not doing a good enough job, the members are entitled to vote in another volunteer for the role at the next AGM, or even sooner if extreme circumstances require it.
As an unpaid volunteer, I do my job to the best of my ability, but if someone tried to impose a job description on me, they’d end up chewing it!
Thank you for your contribution.
I’ve never employed anyone with a detailed job description being available to both employer and prospective employee. Of course voluntary positions are different but surely there are basic expectations and necessities of the post? A job description would help them understand those and could include what support from head office or wherever is available. It doesn’t have to be something to beat them over the head with.
Typo “without”.
UKIP’s work will never be done, even if we finally gain power we are going to have to modify every thing that has gone before.
Correct.