Rage Against the Forces Switching off the Lights of Freedom!
It’s only two weeks before we celebrate the EU Referendum vote which we won, for Brexit, for Freedom, on June 23rd, 2016. But when we cast our minds back to that day and compare it to where we are now – yes, weeping is indicated.
I however want to weep not because I am grieving, but because I am filled with rage: rage because we Brexiteers have been driven to this shambles by the enemies, the traitors, within.
From the Gina Millers, the Project-Fear-Doom-Mongers in the Establishment, from the ‘wreckers-in-ermine’ in the House of Lords, from the leaders and MPs in the Establishment Parties, from the Remoaners in our metropolitan MSM, from the civil serpents in Whitehall and the foreign money ‘interests’ which have successfully infiltrated even the allegedly impartial Electoral Commission, down to the incessant screechings in social media of ‘millenials’ who bewail their ‘lost future’ – all have worked to secure our oh-so-glorious future inside the EU!
To be fair, a huge amount of blame needs also be put upon the shoulders of Brexiteers and indeed UKIP – I’ll come back to this later.
Anyone who has read the reports on the Brexit negotiations cannot have failed to notice that every single time our government negotiators have made a half-way acceptable proposal, the answer from Brussels was a resounding ‘Njet’. It doesn’t matter what the proposal was – from borders to fishing to security to trade: ‘unacceptable’ was the answer. That M Barnier is on record saying that the EU won’t negotiate with us seems to have completely passed by our Government and the commentariat. Well, one might say that we knew this already … but still, our government and the ‘loyal’ opposition are faffing around as if there are still important and ever-so-difficult items to work out.
We’ve always suspected that this is a con – and by God, we were right. See this article by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, the leading article in this morning’s Telegraph – the headline says it all:
Weep for Brexit: the British dash for independence has failed
His assessment rings true:
“Brexiteers, bring out your black suits of mourning. Grieve with private dignity. The quixotic bid for British independence has failed.There will be no return to full sovereign and democratic self-rule in March 2019, or after the transition, or as far as the political eye can see. Britain will be bound and hemmed until the latent contradictions of such a colonial settlement cause a volcanic national uprising, as they surely must.
The Westminster class is edging crablike towards a double embrace of the EU single market and the customs union, the full EU package but without a veto in the European Council, or Euro-MPs with heft in the dominant blocs of Strasbourg, or judges on the European Court (ECJ) to lean against top-down “Napoleonic” jurisprudence. Both of our great parties are resiling from core manifesto pledges.”
I cannot, in all honesty, find fault with his assessment. Haven’t we read acres of print, seen hordes of pixels about how ‘valiant’ Brexiteers in the Tory Party have been fighting – from reports of Mr David Davis (see the latest here or here or here – but it’s too little too late. He and Mr Liam Fox have been undermined by the arch-Remainers in their own Departments who have kept leaking ‘plans’ to the media, as have faceless “Brussels negotiators”. That super-project-fear ‘leak’ of Britain facing a ‘Brexit Armageddon’ over the weekend is just the latest example. Did our ‘sovereign Parlamentarians’ who scrabble for Brexit-wrecking glory rather than represent the will of their voters even talk about this in yesterday’s Prime Minister’s Question? Did we hear even the faintest rumble of discontent from the Remoaners that such leaks are not the ‘done thing’ during negotiations? Did we heck!
Let me quote once more from Ambrose Evans-Pritchards’ article:
“Those within Britain who have pushed so hard for an emasculated vassal Brexit may find that it is a Pyrrhic victory. It is hard to imagine a more certain way to destroy British relations with Europe than to subject this island to foreign and authoritarian rule, and to try to do so on a permanent footing. Can the Lords not see this? Can the Soubry-Umunna axis in the Commons not see the historical and democratic absurdity of such an arrangement? Is Parliament willing to forgo its ancient prerogatives so lightly for a mess of economic potage, essentially to avoid a short-term shock of no lasting importance in the sweep of time and the life of a nation?”
I’d answer that they can see this but they don’t care – their EU potage is more important than the will of us, the people. They firmly believe that, come another election, they, the Remainers, will win. Are they wrong?
Well, when I look at what happened to the grassroots Brexit Alliance, I’m afraid they may be correct. We only have to look at the crashing of the UKIP votes in by-elections, the 2017 GE and this year’s local elections. After Farage left on the very next day after the Referendum win – just like the PM Cameron – he left UKIP in a shambles. The unedifying elections for a leader to follow him are not forgotten. If the voters thought that it was all done and dusted, then so did many Kippers who left the Party, thinking that they, just as UKIP, were no longer needed.
But there’s sadly more. There are the defeated leadership candidates of last year who left and founded their own parties, taking many good Kippers with them. Their ‘top issue’ wasn’t Brexit, nor even UKIP, but islam and direct democracy. Yes, these are important issues but, as I’ve pointed out again and again – these issues cannot be addressed successfully as long as we are in the EU, under the boot of Brussels and the ECJ.
If the remainers can paint pictures of ‘Armageddon’, then what about the vision of Brussels’ security forces in the form of EUROGENDFOR stamping out protests here on our streets? It can’t happen? I wouldn’t be so certain … Or what about ‘free movement’? The EAW?
In addition, I’m afraid that we Kippers have now become defeatist ourselves. I hate to say this, but thanks to the splinter groups I mentioned above the by-election next Thursday will hand the victory to the establishment candidate – no surprise – with the UKIP vote split three-ways. Gerard Batten keeps reminding us and voters that we got the referendum only because UKIP was a valid electoral threat to the establishment. No longer. And because we are not, the establishment feels free to ride roughshod over us.
Then there’s this depressing note from the London Regional Chair:
“I have been instructed to cancel my planned UKIP “Referendum 2nd Birthday Party” outside Parliament on Saturday 23rd June. Apparently, a large, co-ordinated cross-party Remoaner March is expected in Central London on the same day, and there will thus be opportunities for mischief by the press in reporting relative attendance levels at the two. We’ll arrange something less public for that special day.”
That, dear friends, is the reality. What chance other demos when the anti-Brexit forces, with the help of government, can mount successful counter demos …
And to finish with yet another Armageddon image: we are in a war – a war with the EU. Had the Nazi sympathisers in WWII the same freedom to undermine our resistance to Hitler Germany, with arguments that we’re too feeble to stand alone, that winning the war ‘cannot be done’, that it would be too costly – we would indeed speak German now. But if we let the traitors in our midst go on their merry way, I’m sure our children will have to learn that language …
As for me: I weep – raging, not grieving.
Vivian, sod the regional chair, we are coming from Christchurch UKIP on the 23rd with in 9 seater minivan!
Shouldn’t UKIP be broadcasting these sorts of messages? Watch the first video and reach for the bucket, is Soros behind this? What insanity has gripped the UN? This is terrifying: http://www.snouts-in-the-trough.com/archives/21621/comment-page-1#comment-373124
Russell, I entirely agree with you. Chilling.
Having just read a snippet in the news about the Hungarian Foreign Minister’s stance on the UN’s Global Compact and its potential for damage to Europe, I came here straight away to see if there was any further news or information on this.
I am aware of the UN’s ‘Sustainable Development’, but have never heard ’till now about the Global Compact – as I suspect, worryingly, will be the case for the majority of people in the country.
Donald Trump has apparently rejected any inclusion in this for the USA on the grounds that it will threaten sovereignty etc. Our government, however, with unfailing predictability, clearly does not see fit to inform the electorate about this and prefers to keep us in the dark and according to a junior minister, allegedly, we remain signed up to it!!!!
I think that UKIP must get this and other similar threats out in the public domain. Why it isn’t already confounds me.
Thank you for the link, I did open it and got the gist – but then really didn’t have the stomach to watch in it’s entirety I’m afraid. After a few bars of that music though, I can appreciate the need to have a bucket to hand – a very large one!
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+lorry+driver+in+calais&&view=detail&mid=46CF79D23E7866A0544646CF79D23E7866A05446&&FORM=VRDGAR
Ahhh, these are the keen young people on their way to save our economy, that George Osborne keeps on about in the Evening Standard.
No, that’s Theresa May’s lot.
Here’s Osborne’s:
http://oi67.tinypic.com/2upz2fr.jpg
Very interesting Newkipper, thank you.
I haven’t the opportunity to read all the comments. So I hope I am not being repetative. But I did see the one proposing calling for an outing of patriots or traitors.
Can we have a punchy well worded Pamphlet to hammer home the point?
Can UKIP and all the other Alternative Parties get there heads together?
Can we organise we organise the biggest march ever seen in this country?
Can we put Pamphlets and Leaflets through every door in the country?
Can we produce Badges and Stickers for everyone to use?
Can we make avery big noise everywhere?
The answer is YES if there is a will.
Yes if people can get behind a common cause.
Yes if we can stop being so b****y egotistical about Parties.
It is not the size of the army it is their determination morale and spirit that creates victory.
Well said Kim!
Sounds like a helluva plan!
DD hope you no longer are at that ‘bakery’
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/968128/london-news-stabbing-rotherhithe-knife-crime-police
I suggested the following to UKIP in order to try and get some interest and perhaps some better wording: but nil response!
NEVER
IN THE HISTORY OF BRITISH POLITICS
HAS THE BRITISH POPULATION
BEEN SUBJECTED TO
SUCH TOTAL CONTEMPT, DECEIT AND SO MANY LIES,
ALL IN FAVOUR OF THE EU
AS THEY HAVE
BY THE CONSERVATIVE, LABOUR AND LIBERAL/LIB DEM PARTIES BETWEEN 1973 AND 2018
Yes Jeremy, that is just how I feel. The challenge is with reference to this thought provoking article, to harness that anger. I passionately believe that the LibLabCon alliance should be swept away and a new start made in British politics.
It is such a daunting plan! All I can say is that if all the ‘others’ can get together to inform the public we could get people out of the mind-set of voting for these traitors or at least break them up. I say that last possibility because there are undoubtedly good people within those parties who could then express more common sense and patriotic views.
I keep banging on about Pamphlets and Leaflets because I just cannot see any other way to bypass the corrupted media. UKIP will not do it on their own!
UKIP London is now preparing to fight against a scurrilous attempt to land us with BRINO:
BRexit
In
Name
Only
I know what is the only thing that will scare the Tories into getting rid of the deceitful, incompetent, Remainer-surrounded hag, and that is the prospect that her treason and wilful thwarting of the people’s decision will lead to the installation of the Ancient Mariner (the greybeard loon with glittering eye, who stoppest one in three) in Number Ten.
Doubling down with UKIP – we’ve more nerve than you do.
David Davies is no saviour. I increasingly associate him with Potemkin**.
As to Bo-Jo, he’s driven by ambition and self-interest, and cannot be relied on. It is speculated he had two speeches written, one for Leave and the other for Remain, and he produced the one he assessed as being more likely to deliver him the PM-hood.
** If that reference is too obscure, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
Freddy you are so right about David Davies – I began to think a while ago he could well have been another plant. If not, he has been told to put Party before Country.
David Davis! David Davis!
I think you/we have every right to be angry, however…
“Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger…anger leads to hate…hate leads to suffering.” – Yoda from Star Wars
Yes, I know, its a quote from a film, but it rings true on so many levels.
Why does the world seem so ‘bad’, so negative? We are all being tricked into feeling we ‘live in fear’, which then leads us to feel angry, and by the time we start feeling hatred, well, there is just so much negative energy around it is no wonder we all start to suffer.
How can we beat this? With positive energy! One thing I remember I used to like about Steven Woolfe, was how calm he could remain even when faced with astonishing levels of vitriol – I remember watching some televised debate from Birmingham University in the build up to the 2015 election. Left-leaning members of the audience were getting all het-up and agitated, yet Mr Woolfe would answer their questions calmly and collectedly, without rising to their baiting.
The left love to get all angry and heated, that’s what they thrive on. They feed on hatred, that negative energy. Same goes for the globalists and the establishment elite. They want us living in fear, so they can feast on that energy, as well as manipulate and coerce us into following their agenda.
Don’t get me wrong, a little bit of anger does us the world of good, when it gets the blood and adrenaline pumping. But lets get positive, channel that energy positively, and that spreads much quicker than negative energy does.
Laugh at your adversaries, rather than try to fight them. Counter their arguments rationally and calmly, rather than trying to shout louder than they are. The noisy liars will soon shut up when the cold hard truth is delivered to them tellingly.
That’s my view anyway.
I love this article! I think we are going to have to fight all over again! Its sad but we haven’t got time for that, we need to get angry and organised and get on with it!,
The only consolation that appears remotely credible is the near-certainty that the mess of the EU and Euro is utterly untenable and will
collapse. In an odd way, it may be that UK will ultimately be saved by the actions of the highly motivated anti-Brussels movements in Italy and East Europe, but perhaps particularly Italy.
But as we saw with the old USSR, a tyranny can have a shelf-life far longer than logic might suggest, so we just have to watch and wait.
Frankly the only way out, given the EU’s position, is to declare the original joining to have been illegal, to declare UDI and go WTO rules initially. Just watch the EU and their member nations scramble for a trade deal favourable to us when they realise they are the big losers with the massive balance of payments they will have, especially if we slap a massive import duty on German cars!
Some truth in that Brian but the establishment (think Mandelson, if you can bear to) are determined to see it continue because it pays their wages and all sorts of ‘benefits’. We could win if we could learn how to COMMUNICATE with the public. But right now, UKIP struggles to even communicate with its own members. Anyone with a small brain must be able to see that a good weekly update to members is a simple starting point, it follows then that the UKIP brain is even smaller if its not being done. It’s not hard, just borrow bits off Brexit Central, Leave.EU, Leave Means Leave etc if nothing comes to mind – what do our MEPs do all day???
Oh no, Freddy will jump on me now for missing out an apostrophe in an online chat!
I agree with your point about the EU balance of payments, Brian. I have pointed out repeatedly before that since 1973 UK trade with the EEC/EU has currently cost us well over £1 trillion. This is the current value of the deficit in our total balance of trade with them. In addition, in 2014 the cost of being in the EU was estimated by Tim Congdon to be £185 billion/annum. We exported £228 billion of goods and services to the EU and imported £285 billion from the EU a trade deficit of about £60 billion. So in 2014 alone it cost our economy about £20 billion more to be in the EU and trade with the EU than the whole of our exports in goods and services to the EU. Conversely, from 1973 to 2014 our balance of trade with the rest of the world was a surplus of £245 billion.
You can all work these figures out for yourself using the University of Illinois web site to correct the earlier figures to their current equivalents and adding them up. Unfortunately, I cannot get ANYONE in UKIP to use them as evidence!
“Frankly the only way out”
This was UKIP’s policy, illegally in, just repeal the 1972 European Communities Act and all added extras, no payments to EU. They will come running to negotiate.
I keep reading here that when Farage left UKIP became a shambles. I was a member at thst time involved in election forum in Poole. UKIP was always a shambles but the force of NFs personality kept the lid on it and disguised it. In the referendum, Farage had to set up his own campaign team and work with Leave. EU and Gtassroots Out to win the vote. As a member of Dorset Out campaign, we were entirely self-propelled. I don’t remember any material support frrom HQ, only from EFFD and Wiliam Dartmouth.
I sincerely hope you all with Gerard’s leadership can erase the clownish shambles before and after Farage, but it would seem a tall order.
All our efforts locally are trashed if the party centrally has no voice. Gerard is trying but where is the ‘shadow cabinet’? We still look like a one man band, not a team, and THAT is a vital image.
Mike Hookem has been quite vocal, but your point still stands Russell,
agree there should be 4 or 5 of them firing away.
Farage never left UKIP; he’s still a UKIP MEP.
Farage may as well have left UKIP – he doesn’t really seem to do much lately to promote the party at all or its policies.
Stuart, the upside of that is that it has given Gerard Batten some space to sort some of the mess out.
At least Gerard can now see what is what and who is a help within UKIP. If Nigel Farage had been around straight after the booting of the Bolton, it would have made it harder for Gerard to find his feet.
But yes Nigel Farage needs to be back into the fray in some capacity. He still has popularity with a wide section of the public.
Could I suggest that there is one major issue which applies equally to the Conservative, Labour and Liberal/Lib Dem parties. That is that all three parties have deliberately and consistently lied to the UK public for 45 years about their real intentions for being in the EU which was, and still is, to destroy the UK as a democratic, sovereign and free nation and make the UK a vassal state of the EU. This was the aim whatever the political and financial cost to the UK taxpayers and householders. The frightening thing is that despite thousands of new MP’s being voted in to parliament over that 45 year period NOT ONE has spoken out about it. I suggest a leafleting campaign pushing this fact should hopefully make all three parties un-electable.
That would certainly be a start but surely there have been some stray voices, Bill Cash for example?
Bill Cash and Jacob R-M are two Tory MP’s (amongst others) who have publicly confirmed that they are in favour of the UK leaving the EU. However, I think it took the referendum result for them and others to become more publicly in favour of UK independence. What I am saying is that NOT ONE Conservative, Labour or Liberal/Lib Dem mp or ex-MP has to my knowledge publicly exposed the grand lie about their, and the other, parties policy regarding their ultimate aim to make the UK a vassal state of the EU, even after they are no longer in parliament! Never, in any of the Queen’s speeches on the opening of parliament has She ever said that UK independence was going to be demolished, that the defence of Her realm was going to be sub-contracted to foreign i.e. EU control etc,. etc. If you were a Lib/Lab/Con MP would you be proud to represent a party that was deliberately deceiving the public and has been for over 45 years?
Couldn’t agree more. Though I’m now convinced it started much further back than 73. Suggest Suez was a watershed when yanks wouldn’t support, let alone heaven knows how many communists and gender benders found their way into politics post war.
Patriots vs Traitors imho. Just hope GB and co start saying it well before any hustings start. VEtDp
Alan, it did start much earlier, in fact about 50 years ago. Macmillan apparently was allegedly persuaded by Monnet that the UK should be part of a United States of Europe. At the time he decided that the British public should not be made aware of this aim. The details are in Booker and North’s book “The Great Deception” which describes the whole deceitful saga and is a must read for every voter. I am sorry that I do not have it to hand at the moment to quote the actual passage about Macmillan.
Ted Heath got his Charlemagne (“Coudenhove-Kalergi”) Prize in 1963, in respect of preparatory work earlier.
Actually its to destroy England
Yep.
We’ve beaten most of those blighters’ forebears, in one war or another, over the past 800 years.
This is their revenge.
Did we ever think this would be easy?! It was of course an historic mistake for Nigel to quit when he did, will we ever really know why? I don’t believe any of the reasons given. But we are where we are. The EU (and Soros?) have seemingly ‘bought’ quite a lot of our politicians, most of our media and even some of our own MEPs. The treachery of our ruling classes and media is breathtaking. The BBC of course, is one of the worst offenders – but what have we done about it? Nothing.
We have a huge opportunity if we raise merry hell with the 17.4 million leavers and we have a role model on how to do it: Alternative fur Deutschland who have 90 seats in the Bundestag, and a gun to Merkel’s head. They are professional, organised and disciplined unlike UKIP which makes Dad’s Army look competent.
As many people know, I have been pleading with UKIP for a long time to drag itself away from its 1950’s campaigning ‘techniques’. 90% of Kippers agree with me that the website has been atrocious for years and that we MUST do a weekly mailout by email to members (it costs nothing but commonsense). We should have been running petitions for YEARS by now and have perfected the art of email harvesting. Trying to win elections with squiffy little leaflets clearly doesn’t work but we keep doing it; we need bold, interesting, colourful, punchy newspapers, ready for any by-election that gets called and our newspapers should cut right through the MSM lies and destroy more than a few pro-Brussels MPs. But UKIP HQ doesn’t ‘get it’. The stunningly obvious, cheap, simple things never get done.
In fairness, I was asked to compose another of my newspapers (the last ones hit the target hard!!) but the plans for distribution were the usual UKIP muddle, I could see them ending up in a skip, as some newspapers have before.
Finally, why does Paul Joseph Watson have a million YouTube subscribers to our 10,000? It’s either conspiracy or cockup. Either way, we need a better HQ!
Viv – but one error.
Our biggest enemies were, and still are, within.
They rely on the inability of most members’ inability to comprehend the degree of the betrayal.
I must be very angry too, else that couldn’t have slipped through. Correct is:
“Viv – but one error.
Our biggest enemies were, and still are, within.
They rely on the inability of most members to comprehend the degree of the betrayal.”
Perhaps you could enlighten us then so that we may all emend our errors of comprehension!
Hasn’t Dr Tomaz Slivnik already done so in these very comments?
Dear Frederica
I have found Mr Vachha very sarcastic and, in some ways, flippant. I never respond to him as I find it more interesting to watch paint dry.
Kind regards.
Like many here I suspect, my rage at being cheated out of our very hard won, democratically mandated clean Brexit is a very English, quiet rage, but one which will never stop burning. The main question now is, how do we go forward and regain momentum towards regaining our freedom ? Clearly more battles must be won before the whole war is finally completed, having regained our national sovereignty.
Like many workers for Brexit my age, 67, does not favour a long term campaign, if that is what is now needed. So who can tell us how we can convince those in the younger demographics that their best future is outside the EU ? Their leftist brainwashing through our faulty, so called educational factories does not make that an easy process.
I will not be popular for what I write below. But it’s the truth as I see it, and I can’t do other than tell the truth. My anger about Brexit not happening was spent long ago. Ever since I realized it wasn’t going to happen.
As someone who had never believed in Political Party membership back in the day, I haven’t got the same unshakeable loyalty that you long term Kippers have.
I watched with incredulity the well documented UKIP chaos that followed the referendum result. I watched with anger as the Remainers were allowed to muster all their forces, unhindered. I never believed in Theresa May and was surprised so many did.
I saw Brexit rapidly unraveling, and was surprised so many others didn’t.
For a long while I hoped that others could see what I did, and would take charge of the Party they had worked so hard for. But I hadn’t realized that UKIP Members had what I saw, and still see as a fatal flaw. Loyalty.
As Brexit unraveled, there was always a siren voice promising to ‘return if Brexit didn’t happen’. So Kippers sat back, still hanging on every word of that siren voice and his trusty lieutenants.
I watched as that siren voice steered the good ship UKIP ever more firmly onto the rocks. All the while promising to return.
It was cleverly done, and many good people were destroyed in the doing. Many patriotic people who had believed were let down, very cleverly, bit by bit. But they still believed that siren voice. Why would they not?
Now a very good man is leading a Party that is still fatally flawed by it’s connections. And I believe that should UKIP show signs of becoming successful again it will be quietly steered back onto the rocks. Because I don’t believe it is possible to detach UKIP from that siren voice.
Surely we have all known that actually Brexit wouldn’t really ever happen for a long time now.
“If Brexit doesn’t happen, I’ll be back”.
It wasn’t Henry Bolton that caused me, and I believe many others to leave UKIP. It was the man behind Bolton.
He will always be there in the background, quietly wrecking any progress. I supported the setting up of a rival Party because at least it will sink or swim on it’s own terms.
Even someone as splendid as Gerard can’t fight who he cannot through decency acknowledge is the enemy I believe is within.
Spot on Dee. Farage is almost an addiction for many UKIP members. In all honesty I can’t help but pity them now. I know, I know many will say that if it wasn’t for Farage etc, etc but in this day and age things change very rapidly. Farage is history and Islam is the future if we don’t do something about it. And I agree with you UKIP is not the party to do anything about it because they are stuck in a rut with an egotistical malevolent force sticking the knife in.
I agree about the siren voice. Indeed, I wrote an article on its snobbish destructive effect.
Gerard Batten is well aware of the what and the who. Weaning people off the siren voice is a process that needs managing. The siren’s chief henchmen are gone, for example. It is not lack of decency that prevents Gerard from naming him but awareness of the politics and that the ground needs preparing. Gerard and the siren have barely spoken for years despite being MEPs together. Gerard does know. He wants to bring people with him over time not alienate unecessarily. The siren no longer control the party. He really doesn’t.
Dear Friend (s) Thank you, i’m glad that many people ‘get it’ and i’m not beyond the pale! I love you all. We all fight for our beloved country.
Gerard is doing all the right things, it’s true. I do admire him enormously. I’m glad he knows. I’d be surprised if he didn’t.
The problem he faces is that to the General Public who don’t look too deeply into things, Nigel is still, as he has been clever enough to cement into the public mind, Mr. Brexit. Which works for UKIP on the surface, but not in achieving our goal, which isn’t his. There are still people who hang on his every LBC pronouncement – such a clever move, that.
I can’t see how Gerard is going to sort it, and given the almost impossible odds, I admire him even more for trying.
I have to agree with you over our “siren.” I had found it hard to believe that someone who worked so hard to get the leave vote was a fraud from the word go, but the scales fell from my eyes when he stepped down in a big fanfare 2 years ago, and ever since everything he’s done was to undermine our cause. ( I was outraged when his friend Banks wrote round urging us to go Tory). In more charitable moments I allow the possibility that he was being threatened . Whatever. But he is past history now, time to forget him completely. UKIP can and must succeed very nicely without him.
Sfunny but I ran into a guy called David Noakes who warned about Common Purpose about 12 years ago who told me NF was really on the side of the EU.
If we don’t win , our future will be Islamist rule with totalitarian powers.
Indeed; the worship of Farage has to stop. His actions after the referendum result were unacceptable and only suggest to me that he might well have been a plant.
At risk of having a load of eggs thrown at me by the above people, I’m afraid I have to combat your ‘siren’ comments! The plain truth is that we stood to lose the Referendum through the deliberate fumbling of the Vote Leave crowd trying to throw the Referendum. We would not have won without his cris-crossing the country for the last 2-3 weeks taking the message to the shires when he realised Vote Leave weren’t going to do it. Nobody else has stood up time after time in the EU chamber socking it to them all and calling them out for all their devious ways FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS! He even managed to get the British politicians frightened of facing him on TV, because Nigel has a gift at getting to the very heart of the matter and refusing to allow our gratuitous politicians to get away with their obfuscations. He is the very one who called the EU to account, time and time again and he is the very one who got us our Referendum in the first place!
That said, like you all, I was shocked when he stood down after we won, but I am sure it was due to a mixture of severe exhaustion, fear for his family, an impending divorce and constant back-pain. Yes, it would appear that he has moved on and we have stumbled around trying to find someone else fit to lead our party. I am thrilled that Gerard has taken up the challenge and is fast becoming perhaps the best Leader we have ever had, simply because he remembers to keep us all informed by letting us know what is going on and frequently coming back to the grassroots to check we are still onboard with the plans and to let us know what we need to be doing.
We needed a hard-hitter, not afraid to tell Frau Merkel and Francois Hollande where to get off, someone who is a confident speaker telling the EU exactly what we would like to think we would say were we there! Nigel has paved the way, and now we have the excellent, coherent leadership of Gerard Batten to take the fight further.
I often wished Nigel would call out the government on the march of Is lam across our country, I suspect he hasn’t said that much because he didn’t want the MSM to get him side-tracked into the ‘racist’ swamp when he needed to be clear that his goal was always to get us OUT of the EU. Once that is achieved, we must be free to set our own immigration standards once more, which must include putting a stop to the Islamic takeover and shipping undesirables out. But make no mistake, the KEY is to get properly OUT of the EU, we can’t do anything without that shackle removed.
Francesca I too will admit I still admire Farage even though I think he attracted snakes around him and dropped Ukip like a hot brick after the Referendum. As you were too polite to say, he worked his arse off, at considerable personal cost, and his speeches in the European Parliament and elsewhere are legendary. “Who are you?”
I met him again only last week in Cumbria at a Q&A session and the thing that struck me as extraordinary was here was a classic 80’s city boy (as was I), unashamedly praising Thatcherism and it’s achievements, being cheered to the rafters by people who were once a very solid labour vote.
Yet he clearly doesn’t see eye to eye with Gerard.
I really don’t know what to think but he’s very southern and very city, and I don’t mean that rudely. But it does make him very detached from the harsh realities of life in Burnley or similar.
I wonder if it’s as simple as having been cocooned by EU money for 20 years. Last time I got off a commuter train from stepney east (as was), it was like stepping into Bangladesh. And that was a while ago. He certainly travels and I know he’s a Powell admirer but I wonder if he’s ever done a mosque in Halifax. I rather doubt it.
I don’t want to throw eggs!, and agree with so much of what what you say. But what was unforgiveable, cancelled out all his marvellous work in one stroke, , and removed all his future credibility , was: resigning, he came on TV and trumpeted “Job done.” I could see straightaway that this was dangerous rubbish, but it gave the signal to brexiteers everywhere to pack up and go home. OK Farage like everyone else was burnt-out, but he is not stupid. He knew the campaign was definitely not over as there is no quick fix; and I can only conclude that either he was threatened or had an agenda. Or expressed himself in a way that could be misinterpreted (unlikely). All past history you might think, but I bet mischief is afoot re the leadership election next year. Who can we trust?
PS Mischief also expected at next NEC election too?
your comment is sound sense
JackT, how can a founder member of UKIP have been a plant?
Stalking horse.
Talking as someone who misses the point.
You can not “plant” someone into an organisation that does not exist. And it makes no sense to found a party, work for years towards the objective, achieve a great success and then for you to claim that all along that person was seeking to achieve the opposite.
What are you really seeking to achive?
I agree with Alan, Nigel Farage’s story evolved, but it was unlikely he was a plant initially.
I guess high profile people like Nigel Farage are subject to being approached in a variety of ways.
There could be a flotilla of reasons he left UKIP after the referendum result.
He has always prioritised achieving Brexit and immigration control over other causes which either disagrees with or he felt might hinder UKIP being supported more widely.
This has nothing to do with Nigel.
Freddy, this discussion was started by Dee who said
“It wasn’t Henry Bolton that caused me, and I believe many others to leave UKIP. It was the man behind Bolton.” ie Nigel Farage several responses confirmed Dee was talking about Nigel.
However your comment of “This has nothing to do with Nigel.” perhaps was not aimed at me ?
Am puzzled now Freddy, what have I misunderstood ?
The current danger to UKIP – which is existential – has nothing to do with Nigel.
This particular thread of comment/discussion is, well, old hat.
Though its intentions were different – sorry, Dee – it serves to confuse or distract readers, and make it harder for them to see what’s actually going on RIGHT NOW.
Would you think it a good idea for those directly (whether by design, incompetence, bad luck, I’ll refrain from saying) responsible for the ruinous state we got into (and from which GB and core team near-miraculously saved us) be given a SECOND CHANCE to return, worm their way back into power, and finish the job?
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— Irrelevant Background —
The Bolton fiasco ended in January, six weeks before the EGM, once the majority on the NEC became motivated to have him removed.
Once the Markle/N__ro King etc. comments leaked, I declared, and then wrote to the NEC, that – politically-speaking – Bolton was a dead duck and he had to go immediately, or be removed. For this I was attacked non-stop by his “inside” backers.
Only when they realised their machinations could not succeed and that he was finished did they switch sides – purely as a matter of expediency – so resulting in a (deceptive) unanimous vote at the NEC.
I tried to arrange for that EGM to be held in London – which, for reasons too complex to go into here and relating to past unpaid bill(s), would have saved UKIP a large amount in room hire – but this was vetoed.
Support for Bolton was much higher in the Midlands, where it was held.
In London, it would have been a bloodbath, and the outcome would have been not 63-37 but 80-20.
But all that, as said, is old hat, and has nothing to do about the fresh attempt to drag UKIP back to the bad old ways.
Freddy, thanks for spending the time to explain your point on this.
I remember adding up the cost of that Birmingham affair and it was a huge bill not only in terms of staff hours, venue costs but say on average £50 to £80 each person spent on attendance adding on to that the time in man-woman hours expended on the debacle. It adds up to a huge bill.
For that, and all else HB did, I despise Henry Bolton and all those who remain associated with him.
I know he was just the head and that the body is still buried under the skin of UKIP.
Here you are saying that the NEC and vital parts of UKIP leadership are still compromised.
I’m always taken aback by the size of anti-Gerard Batten commentary-sentiment on here.
Sorry to have pushed you towards specifying what is going on.
If there needs to be a UKIP party purge it should be done now.
Thanks Freddy for castings some light on this. The more you say on this the better for all I think.
Good article Viv. I do have some hope though for Brexit and the end of the EU as we know it. I know some want to separate the two topics of Islam and Brexit but I actually think in the long run Islam will destroy the EU as more and more countries will adopt anti-EU measures in order to tackle Islam with a more muscular approach. The people of Europe will demand it.
With regard to UKIP as a party I don’t think the prospects are good. I really like Gerard Batten and it’s a shame he didn’t take over from Farage as soon as Farage left but I think if David Kurten, one of UKIP’s big hitters, has a poor showing in Lewisham which I suspect he will then the writing will be on the wall. It’s a shame because I like David Kurten as well.
Human nature hasn’t noticeably changed for millennia, whatever lefties may claim or want.
And any good student of history will confirm that we have the makings of a war here. History is littered with examples.
Due to the build-up of pressure with almost no relief, physics too suggests the outcome will be dramatic.
Agreed. Gad Saad, the professor of evolutionary psychology, did a video about a year or so ago saying more or less the same thing. He said at some point evolution will kick in and those that feel they are being threatened by mass immigration and Islam will fight back. The fight back is making use of the democratic process at the moment via For Britain but it may well get physical if democracy fails.
The trouble is any rebellion will be up against the EU gendarmerie and army, with their totalitarian powers, and the EAW to make awkward people disappear. Thanks to our wonderful PM who loves these things.
We need to court the ordinary guys in our military. Given that they have been shat on by government it should not be too difficult. They would be useful allies, especially the veterans who have been so badly treated.
Unfortunately they do not have the numbers to mount a successful coup (my experience elsewhere would suggest that 5 or 6 times their number is probably necessary). Now I wonder how and why that came about Mr. Cameron?
I am beyond sickened but not surprised, i never believed for a minute that the Tories were anything but disgusting con artists. They have always been the biggest hurdle against leaving EU. More fool anyone who voted for them or believed them.
Events dear girl, events! UKIP will come back because UKIP is still needed, the job is not yet done. The voters don’t see it yet, but they are beginning to, and they will soon, esp when the May government caves in on all fronts pretending that it was all too difficult. We will be ready because we must be ready to catch that tide of voter disillusionment. Much of the dross has left UKIP – we are left with a higher percentage of clear-sighted determined people than before. We must ram our message home without doubts, without prevarication, with total conviction. Faint heart never won fair voter! Our time will come again very soon.
“UKIP will come back …” That was my hope in joining. The other parties generally seem useless except at blogging. Hopefully GB will “drain the swamp”.
GB can’t do it alone, and he is being undermined non-stop.
Freddy. Us plebs in the regions need to know who by.
Agreed.
The extent of the betrayal has been worse than I originally feared. I read comments in various places in which people think leavers will somehow spontaneously rise up but that is very improbable. People in work with kids at school and rent or mortgages to pay will have limited appetite for direct action (whatever that might mean). As immigration continues to alter demographics, as each year sees a new generation of miseducated young people, as the state’s clamp down on dissent deepens with thought control through policing
hate crime' and
Islamophobia’, as technology is increasingly controlled by the state and complicit tech giants like Facebook, Twitter and Google, so anger and rage will dissipate into despair and apathy.Resistance has to be politically organised, lead and directed, and I don’t see anyone other than UKIP for doing that. That’s why I am still in UKIP (just) despite the cabal that nearly destroyed the party.
It looks increasingly that UKIP will have to play a long game and aim for a Rhodesia style UDI from the EU. In effect, we have to start again all the while hoping Italy or some other crisis causes the EU to implode.
For Britain’s approach of putting Islam top of their agenda is not working and obscures that only if we are fully out of the EU can Islam and other issues be properly tackled (so far as they can be tackled at all now). Nigel and Bolton calling AMW’s supporters within UKIP nazis or neo-nazis created the conditions for AMW to leave and take more than a few members with her. That process began with Etheridge’s article in the DT last summer. Now we have For Britain and UKIP competing in the Lewisham East by-election. Perhaps, in a year or two, it will dawn on former kippers that division will take us nowhere, that we must each swallow hard and let go of past disappointment and resentments,a nd come together again over getting out of the EU. That done, and only then, can we revert to Monty Python style People’s Front of Judea versus the Judean People’s Front.
As the UK/EU deepens its Soviet style control of the population there is one glimmer of hope, one reason to suppose that there is some hope for politically organised resistance. People do value autonomy and do not like being told what to think. Thus, according to a Harvard Business Review, it is quiet, private rebellion by individuals against top down imposed orthodoxy that has caused diversity programmes to fail in the US. We should have faith for now that the UK too has enough citizens who still believe (feel deeply) in individual autonomy and that the UK will be the next Czechoslovakia, its citizens just waiting for the chance to throw off the EUSSR’s yoke. It will be a long, painful struggle but the spirit of resistance must not die.
Just like Britain has its traitors and enemies within, so does UKIP. When I first joined UKIP, it was not seen as a threat by the establishment. UKIP conferences were friendly affairs, full of decent, like minded, articulate, reasonable people, who believed in small government, low taxes and wanted out of the corrupt Euro soviet run by communists and gangsters. In time, as UKIP became an electoral threat and became seen by losers and charlatans as an easy route to elected office. It became infiltrated by all manners of leftists, careerists, chancers and saboteurs (I knew this was going to happen, because it is always systematically made to happen by the establishment to any opposition party that becomes a credible threat, and said the same to Nigel). When I read the first few lines of your article, I thought the article was going to be about those people formerly at the top of UKIP who spent years sabotaging the Party from within. Two former Party Chairmen who spent years doing just that jumped ship when they thought UKIP was dead and their job was finished, and they didn’t want to see their name involved when the Party financially hit the wall; having realized that Gerard miraculously saved the Party from financial ruin, they realized this exit may have been premature and so one may now be trying to return to finish the job. You also have the close-knit pair of leftists, one of whom took credit for writing the Party’s leftist manifesto and the other who is a curmudgeonly MEP who created Red UKIP and spoke of ‘splits’ within the Party when the only split was between himself and the rest of the Party, and who publicly denigrated the Party’s values and its members who espouse them (“libertarians are away with the fairies”). So yes, Henry Bolton and Anne Marie Waters both did huge damage to the Party – the first was probably a saboteur (which we may infer from his career history at the European Commission and membership of the Liberal Democrats), the latter just an opportunist who saw UKIP as an electorally successful party to take over and pursue what interest her, rather than Brexit. But they are not the only ones within UKIP who tried to subvert our purpose. Much more damage from within – both to the Party and to the cause of Brexit – was done by people wearing a hat with the letters Party Chairman written on it.
Indeed. Fortunately, the Colonel and the airline pilot are gone.
?!! Are you, for once, misinformed?
@ The Warrington Club, 7 Bold St, WA1 1DN, 7:30pm today (June 7th).
Together with the rather naive Fantasy PhD.
Rattus norvegicus thought we were going down – but abandoned ship prematurely; we managed to raise the dosh (ten times more than they said it would be) and survive.
Now coming back in order to finish the job, and not a Johann Georg Elser in sight…
Does anyone on here know what this cryptic bulldust means?
Colonel Sanders is believed to be providing the rocket fuel to try to get the pilot to fly his Aston Martin high again, first as one of the 12 apostles, then as Jesus. Only this Jesus is being flown in not for the purpose of resurrection, but to strangle again the patient that’s failed to die as expected.
Sounds that could be on the money.
Sadly, most reading won’t or can’t get it, having insufficient knowledge – or depravity – to work out what’s being going on.
Would it not be fitting for any who took it upon themselves to purport to give an undertaking, for and on behalf of UKIP, and on or about February 17, 2018, to indemnify those responsible for the carnage against the consequences of their past activities within our party, to themselves be held individually and personally liable for the damage done?
There’s something far sharper than wit, and it’s a writ.
Thanks. They are still gone for now no matter they dream of a comeback.
When is the NEC election?
No idea! I never learn anything from these threads. The articles are really useful But it seems like a lot of ‘commenting’ is all being written by the ‘insider’ mob who delight in innuendo and insinuation. I find these types infinitely boring and a real turn off. If you can’t call a spade a spade (for whatever reason), keep off the “I know something that you don’t” rubbish!
I have given up trying to understand what is meant by who the ‘bad guys’ really are. I know the ones that I feel are bad for the party (and always have been so). But what I cant figure out is why they havent been ‘outed’! That is…..denounced , trounced and evicted! What I do know for sure is that if the ‘management’ cant soon find some way of communicating directly with the membership, boredom will very soon set in. Whatever happened to the weekly UKIP news e-mails that I used to get when I first joined the party? Surely it couldn’t cost a lot to set up. There must be someone in the party who is a whizz with IT who could deal with that! For heaven sake lets have some information so those of us who dont have a lot of time (I am my husband’s full time carer) don’t have to try to go ‘mining’ and puzzle solving to try and find out what the buzz is!
Yes, I agree Frederica, name them (please) or don’t comment on them.
The post on the Warrington Club felt like the entrance test for Bletchley
https://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/
Well said Frederica.
Regards.
Good comments by Dr Tomaz Slivnik and Stout Yeoman
UKIP is fortunate to have shaken off a few of its though some remain.
I wish Gerard Batten well in keeping the remaining saboteurs at bay. Splitting is the classic tactic of forces wanting to undermine the UKIP block.
The only way forward is for UKIP to campaign unashamedly on behalf of UKIP, persuading more people to join and more funders to back the party.
UKIP should not waste too much time on policies, it has more than enough to be going on with. Campaigning should be direct and simple.
Message 1 UKIP here to stay, growing again, good leader
Message 2 UKIP the only party that will enable the UK to leave the EU
Message 3 UKIP the only party that will control immigration and borders
Message 3 UKIP the only party supporting free speech and fighting PC politics
Agreeded.
Avoid policies that are more likely to give voters a reason NOT to vote UKIP, such as abandoning the BBC Licence Fee.
Emphasise the future for the UK having left the EU is NOT solely dependent on the “deal” agreed with the EU.
Concentrate on the benefits arising from having left the EU, such as our ability to re-embrace the Commonwealth with twice as many countries and four times the population as the EU; AND with the “Commonwealth Advantage” for trade.
And so on.
UKIP has to run a positive campaign as you say “concentrate on the benefits”
Plus your point that the focus should not just be about the deal with the EU is very good.
The media have been plugging away that its all about the EU deal excluding discussion on other agreements.
Australia made it clear they would talk trade WHEN the UK has left.
Who cancelled the march ? Some faceless nameless person of no consequence ? Have we all secretly welcomed the cancellation.?
Do you mean the march in Westminster on Saturday for Tommy? As far as I know, it is still on. Just checked Geert Wilders’ Twitter and he says he will be there! But he wrote it yesterday, has it been called off today?
You are at cross-purposes.
t g spokes was referring to a proposed June 23 celebration outside Parliament, which he mischaracterised as a “March”.
I believe the June 9 Westminster March for Tommy Robinson is “on”. But while we’ve supported these events several times in the last month, it’s now the last weekend before the Lewisham East By-election and we have to press on there.
If Gerard is right about a snap election in the autumn, I suggest Ukip needs to talk in terms of Patriots and Traitots, to expose the reality of their normal libconlab choices.
But they won’t.
It was contributors to Ukip daily who opened my eyes to Common Purpose, Kalergi Plan and Cultural Marxism, and everyone has a mobile phone, but none of our Party leaders have lifted their eyes above everyday issues to push policies that expose the overall direction of the normal choices.
I’ve suggested it to GB with no response. To DK who did respond but thought it too much for the electorate. I’ve suggested to AMW but she prefers to focus on Islam impacts (translates to Submission), I’ve suggested it here in the hope that other contributors would get behind the idea, and I even met Farage last weekend who thought it was too far in front of the current political debate that he’s likes to stay “just ahead” of.
Only this morning I read a comment here describing AMW followers as racists and fascists. Good grief, what does the writer think the “respectable” Parties are?
I suggest they are dominated by traitors, who through Common Purpose, have brainwashed the electorate to the point where they will vote for their own destruction, without even recognising it.
Unless Ukip finds the necessary to point that out. (IMHO)
Alan, cultural Marxism at work today is an observable, verifiable fact.
And “Common Purpose” not only has a current website – duly sugar-coated – but a list of its (pre-2010?) graduates has been leaked and published long ago. Now, they are very, very careful to keep this quiet.
One should be reluctant, though, to bring in the likes of Coudenhove-Kalergi.
Soros is quite possibly a subscriber to it – or is simply so filled with hate and psychopathy that he wants to bring about the demise of a vibrant engine for the betterment of humanity, instead dragging us back into the medieval era – but to get the *average* voter to digest this in a soundbite-dominated world is not practical.
Bring in C-K, the shutters will go up with the average voter – who may then also dismiss that which is verifiable.
Meanwhile, population replacement accelerates.
I analysed my own family tree (reaching out as far as 3rd cousins, going back one generation and forward two generations with respect to me), on my dad’s and my mum’s side.
The average number of kids per adult female family member is LESS THAN ONE, i.e., each generation is less than half the size of its predecessor.
Marginally over two (2.03?) is the steady rate.
But, then, they didn’t have someone instructing them for a minbar to be fruitful and exponeniate (rather than merely propagate), whether to dominate the world or for any other reason.
I suspect had they, they’d have also had the brains and decency to pay no heed to such irresponsibility on our overpopulated planet.
Thing is Freddy, CK Plan is far easier to understand than common purpose. Someone ever wrote a song about it years ago, “what we need is a great big melting pot, big enough….for all the world and all it’s got, keep it turning for 100 years or more, turn out coffee coloured people by the score”.
My point is, the issue Ukip is not getting over is that what is happening is deliberate.
David K replied to the email you forwarded and has doubts about the veracity of the CK plan, but then commented that a lot of references have “disappeared down the memory hole”. He also said the CK prize doesn’t exist.
Well it did 4 years ago when I read about it. And so did NEC Fiona who I met subsequently and remembers the same as I.
As PS. The siren I met last week told me he has a lot of time for DK but obviously cannot stand GB who he’s known for about 25 years. Is that a hint.
Strictly speaking, the Coudenhove-Kalergi prize doesn’t exist, because it’s a misnomer. The correct name of it is ‘The Charlemagne Prize’. This year’s recipient (there’s never any publicity about it) is Emmanuel Macron.
And there Ian is my problem because only a few years ago, the CK prize existed, was won by people from Churchill to Blair , and has recently been renamed as charlamain. As yanks say, go figure. And pls let me know
You’re mainly right, Ian.
They are different. The Coudenhove-Kalergi Prize is a mock prize awarded (by whoever chooses to make the claim) to those who’ve done the most *damage* to Europe in the preceding year. Naturally, Merkel is stated as being a recent (2010, maybe again later) “winner”:
http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=20058.0
The Charlemagne Prize is a real one, awarded (by an identified committee) to whoever did most for the unification of Europe, which in modern terms means subservience to an unelected, bureaucratic, greedy, unaccountable, antidemocratic kleptocracy called the EU.
The EU whose originator was, in effect, Grand Unifier Herr Adolf Hitler.
Should it therefore be any surprise that the EU’s insane population replacement policy has become the greatest threat to the physical safety of European Jewry, who are fleeing in increasing numbers to the safety of Israel and the Americas? The acorn didn’t fall far from the oak.
The Charlemagne’s first recipient (1950) was Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi, hence the confusion between the mock and the real prize.
And, for an obvious reason, often the winners of the real one also become or have been the “winners” of the mock prize. The qualifiers are essentially the same.
While early winners included genuine good guys, things started going bad in 1963 when the Charlemagne Prize got awarded to our probable-paedophile (ref. conclusions of Operation Conifer), Ted Heath.
In 1992 lefty Jacques Delors got it. Seven years later, it reached the gutter when it was awarded to the War Criminal Tony Bliar.
Since then, Charlemagne recipients have included “The Euro” (2002), Juncker (2006), Merkel (2008), Tusk (2010), Van Rompuy (2014) and Schulz (2015).
Verhofstadt and Draghi (whose predecessor as head of the European Bank already got it) are Charlemagne Works-in-Progress.
What a toxic Rogues Gallery…
Hello Alan
Although the Prize in question is, correctly, known as the Charlemagne Prize for Services to Europe, you are not wrong in thinking of it as the Coudenhove Kalergi Prize. It is commonly referred to by this name simply because the first recipient was the man called Coudenhove Kalergi.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne_Prize
Hope the link, above, will prove useful and of interest to you. It does, incidentally, list the names of all prizewinners since its inception.
Kind regards.
Viv, I share your rage; hopefully the rest of the 17m who voted for out, and a few more whose eyes have been opened, feel the same.
Somehow we have to turn that rage into a threat which May and her government cannot ignore.
You’ve got it in one, Viv.
To the barricades, Kippers. It’s time to block the Remoaners and go for their jugular.
Wrong side of the barricades, Alan…
Thanks Viv for your accurate, realistic if depressing article.
That same Telegraph article was the first I reas this morning a couple or so hours ago.
Your comment “, but thanks to the splinter groups I mentioned above the by-election next Thursday will hand the victory to the establishment candidate – no surprise – with the UKIP vote split three-ways.”
Very true, and there is a constant beating of the drum by a crew of contributors on UKIP Daily supporting that situation of a split vote.
Gerard Batten fortunately is a quality, decent leader for UKIP and I give up on the flow of comments on here slagging him off. His support for TR being one example, where a troop of anti-Batten comment mongers attacked him on here. Gerard Batten’s recent red alert email makes good sense.
UKIP is the only up and running widely known vehicle for rallying electoral resistance to the multi-million soros-uk government backed Remain initiative “Best for Britain” and of course we cannot mention the name of the founder of “Best for Britain” as that is probably against current laws.
With regard to your final paragraph “we are in a war – a war with the EU” and the traitors within it will require a resistance style struggle as the traitors you mention are the majority in Westminster, the civil service and local government. There need to be assistance from outside the UK to help this struggle. UKIP needs external allies.
> UKIP needs external allies
Yes. We have a surfeit of internal foes.
Thanks Freddy, the infernal foes need naming,
though understand why Dr Tomaz Slivnik was reluctant.
Nigel Farage must be asked to talk with his mate Donald Trump and to ask him to put out some UKIP supporting Twitter comments.
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