Suppose you’re standing waist-deep in the sea. Waves come crashing at you, and they push you about. But your feet are anchored firmly to the ground, so you can easily keep your balance. While the waves might shake you about a bit, they can’t knock you off your spot. But you’re standing at an intersection where two wave fronts, coming together from two different directions, collide. Out of the blue, two peaks just happen to arrive from both directions at the exact same time. They combine into one big wave front right where you are standing, catching you by surprise. The big, powerful combined wave knocks you down. You lose your footing. The current is strong, and the sea takes you into deeper water. You trash about, but the water just keeps moving you on and on. After about a hundred yards, you spot another shallow spot, you plant your feet back on the ground and you stand up firmly back up again, but in a different location.
There are many waves on the surface of the sea. You can see the small ones, the ones where the successive peaks are perhaps a few metres, or a few tens of metres, apart (the distance between two successive peaks is called the length of the wave, or the wavelength, and how often a peak passes you by is called the wave’s frequency). But the water surface is also bobbing up and down with waves of much greater wavelength. But these greater wavelength waves don’t affect you. You cannot even see them. You don’t even know that they’re there, because they make the water level vary too gradually for you to be able to detect this variation. Can you imagine being able to detect a wave with a wavelength of 100km?
Just like waves on the water, electricity and magnetism (electromagnetic phenomena) can also be understood as electromagnetic waves. The best understanding we have today of electromagnetic phenomena is as electromagnetic field being composed of small packets called photons. In fact, all the smallest building blocks of matter, not just photons, are to the best of our knowledge best understood as small localized wave packets. What is a “localized wave packet”?
Here are two waves:

Here is a particle:
And here is a localized wave packet:
If you look at it from afar, a localized wave packet looks just like a particle:
But if you look at it from close up, say at length scales similar or smaller than the wavelength of the wave packet, the wave packet looks just like a wave:
So electromagnetic waves are in many ways similar to water waves, but there are some differences too. For example, the energy of a photon is always a fixed multiple of its frequency, which isn’t necessarily always the case for the water waves we discussed earlier. So photons of higher frequency (i.e. shorter wavelength) electromagnetic radiation are more energetic than photons of lower frequency (i.e. longer wavelength) radiation.
Particles – charged particles, that is, like protons and electrons in your body – are affected by electromagnetic waves just like you, swimming in the sea, are affected by the water waves. And these electromagnetic waves arrive at these particles in these wave packets we’ve explained are called photons. Atoms are about 0.03 to 0.3 nanometres in diameter and so they are affected by photons of electromagnetic waves of wavelengths similar in size to them. The electromagnetic waves which are similar in size to an atom are X-rays, whose wavelength vary between 0.01 and 10 nanometres (and whose frequencies thus are between 30PHz to 30EHz (that’s 30 peta-Hertz to 30 exa-Hertz).
Shorter electromagnetic waves (i.e. higher frequency electromagnetic waves) also affect an atom. Sometimes, X-ray photons can even knock out a charged particle from where it is so it stands up again somewhere else, just as water waves of wavelength similar in size to you can knock you from where you are standing. But even these X-ray photons are really not energetic enough most of the time to kick out anything heavier than an electron. When this happens, when electromagnetic radiation knocks out an electron in one of the atoms, forming one of the molecules, in your body, from its place, that atom, and that molecule, become ionized. They become positively charged, because they’ve just become one electron short. This is why such electromagnetic waves (a.k.a. electromagnetic “radiation”), is called ionizing radiation: because it can ionize. And ionizing molecules in your body is potentially harmful to your health: ionized molecules are reactive, and can form new chemical bonds where they aren’t supposed to.
But in order for electromagnetic waves to be capable of being ionizing, they must be short enough in wavelength to be “seen” by an electron, and energetic enough to be able to knock out the electron from where it is standing with its “feet” firmly on the ground. X-rays are the kind of electromagnetic radiation which can do this. But photons of much longer wavelengths, are not even seen by the electrons, and other particles, in your body, just like you don’t see the very long waves on the surface of the sea, nor are they energetic enough to be able to move them out of their place. But they can shake them about a bit, which macroscopicaly is observed as heating.
As an aside, even a wave with a 25,000 kilometre wavelength would jiggle you about, albeit very slowly and by a very small amount. The analogous effect of long wavelength electromagnetic waves on your body is that they also jiggle things about a little bit – which jiggling is observed as slight warming. Yes – compared to an ionization event, the thermal effect of long waves really is that small.
Just above X-rays in wavelength (or below, in frequency) is ultra-violet light, with photon wavelengths of 10 nanometres to 400 nanometres. At its shortest wavelength, it is, compared to an atom, roughly the same size as a water wave about 45 metres long is relative to you. You can still see it, it still affects you. At the longest wavelength of UV, that would be at the extreme end of UVA, the photons are, in size relative to an atom, like a 1.8km water wave is in size compared to you. A wave of that length is something you probably wouldn’t be able to see at all, unless you really tried. Just above UV light is visible light, with wavelengths of about 400 nanometres (blue light) to 800 nanometres (red light). And just above visible light, is infrared. Photons of infrared light (a.k.a. infrared “radiation” – just as visible light is visible “radiation”, I suppose) have wavelengths between 800 nanometres and 1 millimeter. Beyond infrared, and partially overlapping it, is Terahertz “radiation” (photons with wavelengths of 30 micro meters to 3 millimetres), then come millmetre waves (1 millimetre to 10 millemetre wavelengths), and then come microwaves and radio waves.
The radio waves can encompass anything from 1 millimetre to 100 kilometres in wavelength. You may have noticed that some of these ranges are overlapping, and that’s because these names are largely arbitrary, and historical. It derives from the historical applications of electromagnetic waves, as they arose. The only electromagnetic waves which are not named arbitrarily are the waves of visible light; infrared is then whatever is of (just) above red (visible) light in wavelength, ultraviolet is whatever is (just) below blue (visible) light in wavelength, and the rest of the names are just arbitrary. So infrared, instead of being defined as having wavelength from 800 nm to 1mm, could just as easily have been defined as 800 nm to 0.1mm, or 800nm to 10mm, for example.
As we progress up in wavelength and down in frequency, from X-rays, to UV, to visible light, to infrared, to Terahertz, to millimetre waves, to microwaves and radiowaves, the corresponding “radiation” becomes less and less energetic, less and less ionizing and less and less dangerous.
It is self-evident that an electromagnetic wave with a 100 kilometre wavelength is not “visible” to a bound electron; in fact, a 100 kilometre water wave would not even be visible to you, and you are much bigger than an electron. But even a photon with a wavelength of 5 millimetres looks, to an atom, just like a water wave with a 25,000 kilometre wavelength would look to you, if such a water wave were possible – 25,000km is about 4 times the radius of the Earth. Not only would such a wave have no chance of knocking you off your feet, you would stand no chance of seeing it with your naked eye, no matter how hard you tried.
And this finally brings us to the fifth generation of mobile telephony, or, “5G”, as it’s called. 5G uses a 60GHz carrier wave, which is an electromagnetic wave with the said 5 millimetre wavelength. It is just above infrared light in wavelength. Indeed, it is so close to the infrared range it might as well have been included in the definition of infrared, and it even behaves similarly in many ways. Just like your infrared TV controller, and rather less like 2.4GHz or 5GHz WiFi, it depends on line of sight visibility in order to be able to transmit information. A 5G tower uses a 100W transmitter, which is typically placed on a mast, say, 10 metres up in the air. A 5G handset might use a 2W transmitter. What these transmitters are, effectively, is 100W and 2W infrared light bulbs.
You are already exposed to infrared radiation of much greater intensity if you are using an infrared electric heater (say like this one). This one generates 1.2kW of output power, 600x as much as a 5G mobile handset, and 12x as much as a 5G mobile mast. But while a mobile phone mast is typically hundreds of metres away from you, I don’t think you’d want to place an infrared heater hundreds of meters away from yourself to keep yourself warm. And the light (“radiation”) infrared heaters emit is more energetic and of higher frequency than that emitted by 5G masts, and is thus more likely to be dangerous to you than 5G masts are. The same is true of an infrared stove (like this one, which in fact emits even more “radiation” – 2kW). The “radiation” emitted by a 100W red light bulb in fact uses higher energy and higher frequency photons still, which are even more “dangerous”, and a 100W white light bulb emits “radiation” (a.k.a. “light”) which is of higher energy and higher frequency still, and thus even more “dangerous”.
Note: we’re not saying an IR heater, or a light bulb, is dangerous – unless you stay too close to it, or touch it directly, in which case, its heat might burn you – all we’re saying is that they are more dangerous than a 5G tower is, which is therefore less dangerous than they are. It can, of course, cause you heat damage, just like a microwave oven can, but no more, and in fact less, and in the same way as, a white light bulb can.
Some might retort, yes, but there will be a lot of these 5G towers installed. Yes, that’s true. But there are already many emitters of much more energetic electromagnetic radiation of much shorter wavelength (and hence more potentially dangerous) installed all around us, with much greater density and in much greater numbers. They are called “street lights”. They are also called “light bulbs” in your house.
60GHz “radiation” is already all around us. It is used in airport security scanners, it is already used by the mobile phone industry for mobile backhaul (i.e. it allows existing mobile phone towers to relay data back to their servers wirelessly), and it is also in WiFi. The IEEE 802.11ad WiFi standard uses the 60GHz frequency band, though it is not as widely used as IEEE 802.11n, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11g, IEEE 802.11a, or IEEE 802.11ac, because, with its more infrared-like properties, it requires line of sight visibility to transmit data and it doesn’t travel through walls. You should be aware that all heaters transmit at wavelengths different from their wavelength of peak emission; so, an infrared heater will also already be transmitting some of its neighbouring wavelengths like 60GHz.
Can electromagnetic radiation cause harm to your health? Yes. Ionising radiation can damage molecules in your body, which can cause all kinds of diseases, including cancer. Non-ionising radiation, if it is of high enough intensity, can burn you (even a 100W light bulb will burn you, if you touch it for long enough). But those who suggest that because X-rays can cause cancer, the health effects of 5G need to be investigated, are saying that because a tsunami can knock your house down, we need to investigate if the wavelets created on a bowl of soup by light breeze can knock your house down. This self-evidently cannot happen, and to suggest otherwise just shows your ignorance and exposes you as a Luddite whom anyone with the slightest bit of basic common sense will mock as a fruitcake and a loony. If you are concerned about the effects of a 100W 5G tower a hundred metres away, you should be much, much, much more concerned about using a 100W white light bulb in your living room. The photons emitted by such a light bulb are much more likely to cause you damage, and it is also much nearer to you than the mobile phone mast is.
There certainly are risks arising from 5G equipment, particularly if it’s manufactured by the Chinese Communist Party (a.k.a. Huawei). But the risk is that of the Chinese government spying on you, not of its “radiation” causing harm to your health.
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[Ed. Note: The images were created by Dr Tomasz Slivnik who gave us permission to use them in the text.]
This is interesting if a little out of date:
Thanks. My interest was piqued when she promised to present examples of non-thermal biological effects of mobile telephony and proceeded to deliver her presentation in a very polished and professional manner.
However, I was disappointed, because none of the effects she describes that are real seem to be non-thermal. As for the effect on bees, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_collapse_disorder#Electromagnetic_radiation. This rather debunks her claim. She is quoting one study which was not replicated (indeed, other studies produced the opposite result), and doing this does amount to “junk science” (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devra_Davis#Controversies). Let’s say that putting a DECT phone straight in a bee hive drives bees away (again, other studies have found that it does not; and even in the study she quotes, some in the control group also abandoned their hives)? Is it the electromagnetic waves? Is it the smell? Is it its appearance? Is it acoustic noise (e.g. annoying buzz at a frequency the bees don’t like)? Would sticking a bright light bulb straight into a hive drive bees away?
As for the other effects, they all appear to be either anecdotal (e.g. she gives an example of only one patient exhibiting breast cancer), or, they have a thermal explanation.
Like I said, electromagnetic (EM) waves affect you in two ways: the ionizing frequencies can ionize an atom, and all frequencies will warm you up a bit. All ionization events – each caused by a single photon – always cause damage, which may or may not be material and it may or may not last. As for thermal effects, stick your hand on a 2kW infrared stove, and the heat WILL, of course, damage you. I am not saying that heat can never damage you, I’m saying the small amount of heat involved in the examples we were discussing will not. The process by which warming *can* damage you is by raising your body temperature above 41oC at which temperature proteins in your body start to denature (cook). Unlike ionization, this is a very, very slow process and requires a lot of photons, a lot of energy, and (relatively speaking) a lot of time, giving your body the time to react to the heating. We have evolved to live on a planet where daily temperatures are not constant, but vary widely, so our body has evolved to able to thermoregulate: to cool itself when it’s heated, and to warm itself when …
… it’s cooled, to keep the core body temperature roughly constant.
This thermoregulation is not instantaneous, and your body can only take so much heat away in unit time, but nor is the heating of your body from a heat source instantaneous. However, if you overdo it and overheat your body too quickly, you can overwhelm it. But unless you expose yourself to so much heat over such a short amount of time that the body cannot keep itself cool, the heating will cause you no damage at all – zero – not a little damage, but none. Your body is able to thermoregulate, at least to a degree, in a localized manner – blood vessels can dilate and constrict in only parts of your body, not necessarily in your whole body simultaneously. You can have a 2kW infrared stove on in your kitchen and you can stay in your kitchen all day long and it won’t cook you. But if you put your hand right onto it, even very briefly, it will. Stay in a sauna 24/7 for a week, and it will cook you. But can a 100W heat source 10 metres up in the air damage you? No. How about a small 2W source like a mobile handset, can it cause you thermal damage or slowly cook you? Well, yes, if you work really hard at it, as it happens, but it requires putting it really really close to yourself, as in, in immediate contact with that part of the body that you want to damage. Even then, it won’t denature the proteins in not your entire body, it does not have enough energy to do that – but in a few small, very concentrated spots on your body, it can be made to slowly cook a few cells in your body. And if you do this repeatedly every day, it won’t be good for you, in the same way that sticking your hand on your stove every day isn’t good for you, or scraping off the same small patch of your skin on your body every day isn’t good for you. Any of these things can have nasty consequences, including cancer, in the long run.
So how do you cause thermal damage to yourself with a 2W mobile phone handset (5G, 4G, 3G, 2G or 1G – it doesn’t matter)?
From a distance, every source of EM waves looks like a point source – for the same reason that a wave packet looks like a particle from far away. Radiation emitted from a point source propagates at a fixed speed, so a fixed amount of time after being emitted, it is all spread over the surface of a sphere of a given radius (we will ignore the potential directionality of a source for this rule-of-thumb analysis, and assume that the source emits the same amount of energy in all directions). The surface area of a sphere is proportional to the square of its radius, and so at a given distance from the source, the radiation is spread over an area proportional to the square of that distance and so the amount of radiation per unit area is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source. So what’s a safe distance from a point source? Since we have evolved to live on a planet which the Sun irradiates with 1kW of electromagnetic energy per m^2, and we can survive outdoors pretty much 24/7 despite the Sun shining, one would think that a good rule of thumb would be that a distance from a heat source where the source gives us 1kW/m^2 of heat energy should be safe. For a 2kW source, this works out to be 40cm, for a 100W source, 9cm, and for a 2W source, 1cm. You can stay 40cm from your 2kW infrared stove indefinitely and your body will be able to thermoregulate and it won’t cook you; or 9cm from a 100W light bulb; or 1cm from a 2W mobile handset. Maybe this is where the 1cm number quoted by mobile phone manufacturers as a safe distance of a mobile handset from your body comes from. Note that at a 10x smaller distance, you will get 100x the heating per unit area, so at a distance of 1mm, you will potentially get 100x too much heating, concentrated on a very small spot on your body – whichever spot is touching your mobile handset’s antenna – and that spot won’t be happy. With your handset pressed right onto your skull, the distance will be even smaller, and the heating of a few small areas will be even greater.
Now once you get really close to a source of EM waves (like a mobile phone antenna), i.e. so close it no longer looks like a point source, other effects also come into play which make matters worse. Radiation may no longer be evenly distributed across a sphere surrounding the source, there may be hotspots where there is even more radiation per unit area, and cool spots, where there is less. The hotspots will get even more concentrated heating than otherwise.
So, if your mission is to demonstrate that mobile telephony is harmful, instead of trying to locate women who carry their mobile handset squeezed between their boobs all day long (who really does that?) to tell their story, I have an even better idea for you. Find out where on your handset the antenna is located, wrap the handset up in aluminium foil all over, except to leave the antenna exposed. Even better, create a funnel at the point of the exposed antenna and then narrow it at the exit point. Then stick that narrow point of the funnel to your head and wear it like that all day. That will concentrate all the electromagnetic waves on a very small part of your body, and should really fry you well.
So, yes, it is probably not a good idea to keep a source of EM waves pressed right into your body all day long, rather than keeping your handset separated by a distance of at least 1cm from your body at all times. The mobile handset is not special; the same applies to any point source of heat. The danger is from potentially cooking (a part of) yourself and ONLY from that – Devra Davis has not provided any evidence that there are any non-thermal biological effects, despite claiming otherwise. I would certainly agree that carrying a mobile phone in your pocket, or next to your breast, or stuck glued to your ear, especially for extended periods of time, is not a good idea. It will slowly cook (a small part of) you. Incidentally, keeping your handset right next to your ear will not just potentially damage you thermally; the acoustic energy from the speaker will also be unnecessarily concentrated on a small area and could damage your hearing. I always use my mobile phone hands free, and not next to my ear. Usually on my desk …
… about 30cm or more away from myself. But using it next to your ear, so long as it’s at least 1cm away from it, should be (thermally) safe. I’m not sure that it is acoustically safe, however. Testicles incidentally are notoriously sensitive to temperature changes, which is why overusing a jacuzzi or using the wrong underwear can also lower your sperm count, and getting into freezing cold water can cause them to retract.
If I tell you that striking your palm with a slight tap with a rubber mallet is perfectly safe, and you put a sharp nail between the mallet and your hand before striking it (the mechanical concentration of the small amount of mechanical force on an even smaller amount of surface area being the equivalent of concentrating EM thermal energy on a small amount of surface area) to prove me wrong, does that make me wrong, or does it make you stupid?
A 100W mobile tower is not capable of damaging you, through ionization, thermally, or otherwise, unless you climb up its pole and press your ear right onto its transmit antenna – and then it will not cause any radiation damage or cancer, but it will burn you. A 2W mobile handset (actually I gather it is 1W) will not normally thermally damage you either, but it is capable of so doing, if you do something which I would suggest is at least moderately foolish. These handsets were not designed to be stored all day long in your bra, or in your pocket, or right next to your ear, or indeed anywhere else immediately adjacent to your body, and the manufacturer’s instructions do tell you to keep them 1cm away from your body (perhaps they should just make them 2cm thicker – 1cm on all sides – like the old analog handsets, which had their antenna located so that it could never get too close to your body, used to be, and they were also too bulky to fit in your pocket or in your bra – but I suspect Apple won’t do that). A 2W light bulb will damage your eyes, if you shine it straight into your eyeball 24/7. A nail will damage you if you stick it in your eye. A stove will burn you if you put your hand on it. Even just looking directly at the …
… Sun – the natural source of EM radiation in our environment – will damage your eye sight. Why do you think you have to use very dark sunglasses when observing a solar eclipse? It pays to learn to understand what everyday items do and how they work, and to use common sense when using them. Because some people don’t, doesn’t mean that the products are unsafe and that everyone else should be denied the possibility of using them. Ultimately, there is no way to design a product to be foolproof in protecting you from your own misuse of it, as fools are so ingenious in finding unforseeable ways of using products incorrectly. Having said that, I do think that Apple in particular does focus too much on the appearance, rather than function, of their products. I can’t deny that putting the phone in your pocket or even sticking it next to your ear isn’t a natural thing to do, but it still isn’t a good idea and the manufacturer’s manual does give you enough information to know this.
It should be clear that mobile phone towers cannot have a detrimental thermal effect. The adverse thermal effect can only come from your handset and even then, only if used incorrectly. Also, the frequency of transmission is largely immaterial – the 2.4GHz frequency of 4G or the 60GHz frequency of 5G. While the body is slightly more transparent to 2.4GHz than it is to 60GHz and a higher proportion of 60GHz waves are therefore absorbed, the difference, at least when it comes to the “safe distance” calculation above, is small. As we’ve seen, because of the inverse square law, a 2W transmitter is safe to use at 1cm and a 2kW one at 40cm, so the slightly higher absorption rate of one frequency over the other might mean that the safe distance is a little greater in one case than in the other. So perhaps keep your 60GHz handset 2cm away from your head instead of 1cm, and you will not overheat.
Thank you Dr Tomaz. – Very well explained for a ‘grunt’ like me. – Pity you were not on the staff of the schools that I attended !
Wow I struggled to read all of the article but conclude it to be sufficient to allay my fears for now. The only concern for me is allowing the Communist Party anywhere near out telecom industry.
Thank you Tomaz.
This it seems to me is just the debate that is needed. But please please do not slip into castigation, and we are all guilty of that. “to suggest otherwise just shows your ignorance and exposes you as a Luddite whom anyone with the slightest bit of basic common sense will mock as a fruitcake and a loony.”
My take on this is caution. We clearly do not know enough to go rolling out en masse 5G. Just to demonstrate my concerns of human arrogance some may remember that only two years ago a new human organ was discovered right under our noses, ‘Interstitium’.
My understanding of science, very little I add, is that it is fundamentally based on empirical evidence. Hypothesis or theory has its place and we will also remember that only eight years ago the 1960s a theory of the existence of an elementary particle, was confirmed. That of the Higgs boson. But not all theories are confirmed. In the end for that which we cannot prove the fall back position has to be based on our experience and observations.
I will not insult your knowledge by citing the many, many pieces of empirical evidence that tells us there is a lot more to learn about EMFs and there effects on health. Indeed quantum mechanics generally is possibly still in its infancy. That would lead me to believe it is rather foolish to make such sweeping policies. My hat is off to the Swiss for putting the subject on hold until more is known and testing taken a lot more seriously that it is now.
Then we come to the other subjects that revolve about 5G.
The simple one first. China we know is run by power hungry, and backward, totalitarian group. It is not the Chinese people and never was. It is the ideology, and in the case of China it is the ‘command and control’ nonsense of ‘socialism’; a word incidentally that I believe has been hijacked. Why are we having this ‘Chinese Problem’ because of big corporations and TPTB.
That leads on to the more complex ‘other problem’. Do we want to be individually independent? Do we want privacy and ownership? For those two questions alone 5G must, at the moment, must be resisted. Will we give up our freedoms for convenience do we really know what we are letting ourselves in for with the ‘internet of things’. Alexa are you asking me a question?
There were a number of other criticisms I have on your piece which I felt overall was an excellent article to debate.
There are certainly concerns by many regarding health effects and our knowledge is rarely perfect. However there is much more concern regarding the ability of government to spy on us and even disable such as “smart” cars to exert control.
As ever, government is not to be trusted, particular when supporting the agenda of the globalists.
Thank you Dr Tomaz Slivnik for your eloquently written and informative article and the excellent images created by you.
I would like to agree with you, but then we would both be wrong !!
The universe is a complex phenomena, and to try and understand how it works using simple reductionist theory is a long road to nowhere as its “facts” are based on small scale localised ( Similar to Lockdown, which should be called lockup!!) experiments to test theory.
A good example is that according to the Laws of Aerodynamics, Bumble Bees cannot fly. This true when there is sufficient Microwave radiation that is applied to bee colonies, it is not immediate but the decline of Bee populations did not happen overnight.
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The idea that according to the laws of aerodynamics, bumblebees cannot fly is another old wives tale, as is the story that bee colonies are dying because of microwaves, I’m afraid. There are people who are building drones which have wings that flap rapidly, like an insect or a hummingbird, and they used existing aerodynamics theory to make their engineering designs.
When you next see a bumble bee with a little propellor , you’ll know youre in trouble.
Interesting piece by Dr Tomaz Slivnik, which could have just have easily have come from a 5G company or the government.
He makes the mistake of thinking he knows enough about the subject to not investigate any further.
That is exceptionally risky and dangerous and playing fast and loose the lives of millions of people in the UK and worldwide.
Those who have concerns about 5G and the possible harmful effects are already aware of the “it’s not anything to worry about” missives of people who think they know best.
The are numerous mobile phone experts, scientists and medical professionals who, being aware of the points Dr Tomaz Slivnik have made, are not convinced at all of his assumption that there is nothing to worry about.
Already a group of doctors and scientists have written to the EU asking them to pause the 5G roll out.
Switzerland have paused because of health safety concerns. And some of these health safety concerns Dr Tomaz Slivnik appears to have skated over or not mentioned at.
I am not saying a lot of what Dr Tomaz Slivnik is not right, what he has done is not looked at the issue in as wide enough and in depth enough way to be able to come to any cast iron conconclusions.
Those of us who have concerns say that we want extensive long term 24/7 analysis of the short, medium and long term effects of exposure to 5G radiation waves. Even he will have to admit this has not been done.
The testing approved by Ofcom has been inadequate as has the testing approved by Public Health England, who have a statutory duty to safeguard the health of the people of this nation.
There have been many well put views on the concerns about 5G radiation and there are a number of social media groups on the subject.
The government is trying to shut these down and is now using the military as the MOD are now acting as thought enforcers to ban any ” conspiracy or sham “views on 5G which don’t match the government’s 5G roll out strategy. So if the government does not want discussion and debate on this subject, we should be concerned.
One of the people who lectures on mobile technology and particularly the concerns about 5G , is Dr. Devra Davis, who used to be a USA Presidential Adviser. She has a video as below which gives some information about the truth about mobile phones and wireless radiation:
https://youtu.be/BwyDCHf5iCY
Anthony Webber
“There are numerous experts, scientists and medical professionals who, being aware of the points … has made, are not convinced at all of his assumption that there is nothing to worry about. Already a group of doctors and scientists have written to the EU asking them to pause CO2 emissions. The whole world has decreased CO2 emissions because of health safety concerns. And some of these health safety concerns … appears to have skated over or not mentioned at.” Etc.
Everything you have written could have been written by a climate change alarmist, even that 16 year old Swedish schoolgirl herself, if you just swap “carbon” for “5G”, without having to know, or understand, anything. It is equally valid (or not) and equally informed (or not). It demands the cessation of the use of a very useful technology on the basis of – what exactly? That we must worry, that we must be careful, that we must follow the precautionary principle, that we mustn’t play fast and loose with people’s lives, that we mustn’t make assumptions, that we must have health and safety concerns.
Anybody can say all this way about anything – without knowing anything about anything, and without having any valid cause.
You accuse me of thinking I know more about the subject than I do. What do you know about what I know about the subject and how much I have investigated it? The answer is: nothing. I have explained the scientific and factual position in sufficient detail for an informed lay reader to able to follow and understand it and make up their own mind about it. I have not stated *everything* I know about the subject matter.
What do *you* know about the subject matter? You haven’t advanced a single verifiable factual argument, you haven’t presented a single bit of science or fact to support your claims, you haven’t shown any evidence that you understand anything. You merely scaremonger, cast aspersions, appeal to authority (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/cgi-bin/uy/webpages.cgi?/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Authority) and accuse people of ignorance – while showing only ignorance yourself.
State some actual facts and arguments. State a single bit of verifiable information. Why should anyone care about your opinion or believe you know or understand anything about this?
Or admit you actually neither know nor understand anything about the subject matter in question.
My concern is not your basic physics bits of which if I ever knew I have now forgotten, but the secondary effects.
I was an army Radio and Radar Mech and following that R&D at GEC and was involved With research with a huge American Weapons firm.As everyone knows radion waves are carriers for all sorts of other frequencies like Audio for radios Cleaning like say ordinary ultra-sonic baths etc. And there was research involving so called death rays and all the rest of it. And a friend somehow managed to drill a hole ( Simultaneously cauterising it ) through his hand, working on a big .transmitter.
Personally, I’m seriously wary of electricity in all manifestations. I remember testing a faulty 500 Amp DC fiuse, but accept they’re OK. But your article has not actually convinced me. There is too much unanswered for me.
But interesting just the same, but I still like the joke about Smart meters and 5G . as I find both pretty pointless.But that’s me an antique.
But my main dislike osthis stuff is the stultifying effects on the brain in all ways.
Very well said Anthony!
“Studies conducted in humans and animals revealed that mmWaves caused changes in the body manifested in structural alterations in the skin and internal organ, qualitative and quantitative changes of the blood and bone marrow composition and changes in the conditioned reflex activity, tissue respiration, activity of enzymes participating in the processes of tissue respiration and nucleic metabolism. The degree of unfavourable effect of mmWaves depended on the duration of the radiation and individual characteristics of the organism…”
Take a look at this very revealing article with the original documents this paragraph is from.
https://smombiegate.org/declassified-5g-document-released-before-anti-5g-campaigners-were-a-problem/
Interesting, informative and nicely explained though the sentence about loonies and fruitcakes detracted from the otherwise calm and measured journey. Most people are wary of new technology that is often rushed through with insufficient testing. They see 5G and associate it with (unshielded ) microwave ovens which can cause deep skin burns and cataracts even if the cancer risk might be unproven and something of an urban myth.
Thank you. Now perhaps you could give me some advice. Should I go back to using candles?
JF
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Careful.