Viv is ill so there’s no “BREXIT BETRAYAL” column today. She’ll be back tomorrow.
In March 2013 I upgraded from the Conservatives, a party I had campaigned for since boyhood, to a party led by an inspirational man described by Prof. David Starkey in lectures up and down the country as the most significant politician since Henry VIII and by Ken Clarke MP, although not exactly a fan of Nigel Farage, as the most successful politician since WW2.
My wife and I were greatly touched by the welcome I received by the Chesham & Amersham Committee Members. We knew we faced an uphill battle in a Constituency so dominated by Conservatives that even with the local environment facing ruin due to hundreds of unwanted additional dwellings and HS2, voters have continued voting for donkeys wearing blue ribbons – as further proven by the crass state of Bucks’ roads and, incredulously, District Councillors wasting hundreds of thousands of pounds challenging the proposed arrangements for Bucks County Council becoming a unitary, by a Central Government of their own Party.
Even by the 2016 Referendum, there was concern about the UKIP brand locally, and so we didn’t use UKIP publicity, concentrating on the Vote Leave branded materials instead.
Following Nigel’s departure, UKIP has had Leaders who have proved themselves totally unfit for office, and unable to perceive what the majority of voters they needed to win over would make of their messages and actions. The current leader appeared to start well, rescuing a situation which would have meant the demise of UKIP, but then he has sadly further poisoned the UKIP brand by allowing himself to be distracted, just as cameth the Brexit hour – by the fundamentalist Muslim issue and against the advice of the Party Chairmen he himself anointed, the NEC, and others, he appointed Tommy Robinson as his adviser – a man under current party rules precluded from membership of the party: a farcical scenario beyond imagination. You might have seen that this source of great knowledge recently made headlines with a wild idea that there is no terrorism in Czechoslovakia because there are no Muslims there – in spite of their last census recording 3,500 and estimates of up to 20,000. Some expert I don’t think!
The recent Newport West by-election was never going to be easy. The correct analysis, which the UKIP hierarchy failed to deduce, was that basically, both Labour and the Conservatives lost about 8% of their share due to the anger of MP’s welching on their 2017 GE manifestos’ and personal address promises to implement Brexit with/without a Deal on 29th March. Out of respect to an MP who obviously had a personal following, many Labour supporters, disapproving of the current Labour Party’s shenanigans, either stayed at home or voted Labour anyway not wanting the death of a locally popular sitting MP to alter their political representation.
However that having been said, Neil Hamilton, the UKIP candidate, spent all of the BBC interview not giving CONfraudulent and Labour MP’s a good bashing in front of MSM and the nation as a whole, for failing to action Brexit with/without a Deal by 29th March, but having to deflect all the TR stuff – so no wonder the CONfraudulent’s vote didn’t collapse further than it did. I attended the last UKIP Conference, and had hoped that less emphasis was going to be placed on these issues, but fearing the worst from what I’ve since seen, even before this interview, I didn’t even bother this time applying to be a UKIP MEP candidate.
On Sunday, Gerard Batten tweeted that he would be on the Andrew Marr show discussing the local elections and Brexit, but once again the same happened – including having to defend his incredulous appointment of recently joined TR supporter Carl Benjamin also known as Sargon of Akkad, as one of UKIP’s MEP candidates. Asked about Mr Benjamin’s vile comment to the Labour MP Jess Phillips that he “wouldn’t even rape her”, which Andrew Marr rightly pointed out would in most political parties lead to expulsion, GB thought it was satire.
I’m sure the majority of Brexiteers don’t share Mr Batten’s warped sense of humour or values, and so I do not see UKIP progressing under his leadership. In fact, in spite of both Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin apparently each having close on a million Facebook followers (before the former was banned) I note that UKIP membership has increased from about 17K to 29K – only 75% of its peak of 40K between the 2014 Euro Elections & 2016 Referendum. Yet after only a few days, The Brexit Party has over double UKIP’s current membership – which could collapse at a £4/month notice!
Richard Tice, The Brexit Party Chairman and co-founder of Leave Means Leave, announced at the Birmingham Rally that he had only resigned as a Conservative Party Member “yesterday [Saturday] morning“, so following hot on his heels I formally resigned as Secretary and from the Chesham & Amersham Committee on Sunday evening; my UKIP membership having already lapsed a fortnight ago, at the start of this month.
You know how when you’ve done something a bit drastic, even though well thought through you then get a niggling doubt? So, I then watched ITV interviewing GB, but saw yet again the interviewer make mince-meat of Gerard Batten who didn’t even attempt to steer the interview, and then whinged afterward while the interviewer laughed in his face. As Enoch Powell said: “Complaining about the media is about as pointless as a shipwrecked sailor complaining that the sea is wet, after he’s fallen into it.” Three out of three hopeless interviews dominated by a self-inflicted TR own goal shows that UKIP is now seen as the BNP/EDL in blazers and so will be going nowhere; absolutely confirming my decisions.
The Brexit Party Birmingham Rally was upbeat and gave our fraudulently elected lying DIS-Honourable MP’s the whipping they rightly deserve. I urge all genuine Brexiteers to see the light and once again unite around Nigel Farage and The Brexit Party.
I am closing this comments thread because it has descended into unmitigated personal attacks on the author with precious little debate of the arguments he brought forth.
I find this very disappointing!
Whether David likes it or not Islam will be the number one issue in this country post-Brexit. France still has soldiers on the street since the Bataclan attack and soldiers posted outside every synagogue and Jewish school. That’s not just a disgrace for France but for Europe as a whole. The Islamic influence has already radically changed our country. Given what’s happened in the Birmingham schools lately it’s only a matter of time before our second biggest city will be a no-go zone for the LGBT community and then Jews. Labour will eventually split along religious grounds, you’ll have Islamic Labour and non-Islamic Labour. You could claim stage one is almost complete. Marginalise and then exclude Jews from the party. We are only a couple of General Elections away of having no Jews in Labour. If David can’t see the direction of travel then that’s his problem. I’ve always felt Islam was a greater evil than the EU. Yes being a member of the EU is demeaning and shameful but Islam is a civilisation destroying force.
When will someone bang Nigel Farage’s and Gerard Batten’s heads together? Their
alpha-male posturing and mutual mud-slinging is the last thing the 17.4m Leave
voters need right now. We don’t want their bone-headed behaviour splitting the
Brexit vote in any election. Whatever happened to Country before Party? We need
them both in Brussels and Westminster.
Absolutely essential for all UKIPpers to read and absorb this. In his recent speech in the EU parliament, the TQC one (“Traitors, Quislings, Collaborators” – brilliant!) Gerard Batten seemed to say that in any election UKIP wouldn’t enter any agreements with any other party or organisation but that UKIP candidates would be in every constituency and ward. THIS IS MADNESS AND HE MUST BE STOPPED FROM IMPLEMENTING THIS!!! Putting a UKIP candidate up against another Brexiteering candidate would (and this isn’t rocket science) split the Brexit vote and probably let in a Europhile candidate. Any intention to ignore this warning would only be to enter into a destructive “mine is bigger than yours”, “mine is the best Brexit party” contest that might prove that UKIP got more votes than the other Brexiteer candidate (or didn’t) but would utterly balls up the Brexit vote and Brexit movement. If after cooperative discussions UKIP decided to hold back in favour of another candidate, they would gain HUUUGE kudos from publicly stating “UKIP supports so-and-so” and pitching in to campaign for them – as UKIP but standing aside in the National Good. This has more to do with personal positions of Batten v Farage than the National good and blows a hole through the UKIP mantra of Country before Party. To fail to co-operate with other Brexiteers would be putting Party before Country. This doesn’t matter so much in the EU elections due to PA but if there are just enough Brexit votes for 1 MEP but they are split between two candidates, then neither get elected and we get a Remainer instead.
It’s the old old story. I wish to save the country while being non-controversial. Farage does not really want to touch any issue but Brexit and nor does the author of this article.
The Conservative party is unconservative – it has become the party of ‘Anywhere’ people and technocratic management, ie acultural and globalist. The Brexit party could reconstitute it as the party of ‘Somewhere’ people – nationalist and therefore with something to be conservative about, though I doubt it’ll be taking a forthright line about cultural matters. So it might pull in a lot of support and then find it too has little direction.
UKIP is a Somewhere party as well – but somewhere ugly. I think it was justified in making for this working-class ground, addressing the problems of multiculturalism as best as it can, where they are most acute (though the official post TR was given was a blunder.) As Farage has decided, this is never going to be a mass vote-winner, and in any case neither are the problems politically solvable, nor has the working class hit existential rock bottom yet (as TR put it, “No one gives a shit about our country, our history or our culture. As long as they’re watching Eastenders and going down the pub – no one gives a shit”).
So, should those two divide the Somewheres between them, you would have the old Labour / Tory situation reproduced – 2 parties representing the interests of different constituencies within the nation, 2 kinds of economy, region, class, culture.
Who is left to populate other parties? The supporters of internationalism / managerialism, ie the people who would like to have politics just go away forever or to be just a dumb-show, can get behind some decorative candidate who makes passionately bland noises. The Media party.
This leaves, as the 4th party the factional identitarians and anti-Westerners, who will be constantly falling out with each other. I think David Lammy’s collarless islamic-style shirt is a sign of what’s coming.
Batten’s lack of prep for the “not even rape” issue was also a bad blunder. He could have turned this onto a discussion of hate speech, & the speech=violence tactic that’s increasingly often used. Carl was making a kind of logical point with his offending comment during a discussion about these issues (IIRC), which is something a clever person could get across by pointing out the odd-sounding use of the word ‘even’.
For me this is a very poor article. Time and the word limit on comments deters me from adding at length to the many criticisms already ably expressed.
So I will just mention three things that don’t surprise me:
1. Sadly David, it sounds as though you remain at heart a Tory. So it’s hardly a surprise therefore that you should be attracted to Nigel’s flimsy new Tory Brexit party. It’s obvious why.
2. You apparently consider the ‘fundamentalist Muslim issue’ to be a ‘poison’ and a ‘distraction’ for UKIP. If we called it the ‘horrific gang rape of young children for decades in this country’, as Tommy Robinson does, would that help to focus your attention?
3. I wonder whether you are aware that approximately three-quarters of the organisations on the latest Home Office List of Terrorist Organisations have the word ‘Islamic’ in their titles. Perhaps not, because I suspect that there aren’t many Mosques in Chesham and Amersham. But don’t worry, after all, Nigel has said that he doesn’t think Islam will be mentioned much in The Brexit Party.
I could touch on the current appalling attack on free speech in this country, and the disgraceful persecution of Tommy Robinson, a brave and honourable man. There is also the arguable assertion that, looking around the world, wherever you find Islam you will find conflict. But I will leave those for another day.
HK,
Thanks for your input, in my book farage is a born again tory as this author david is a tory through & through.
As I have said in prior post’s farage unfurled his true colours with his Pearl Harbour type rant against Batten / Party membership.
I was at the EGM meeting on the 17th Feb when we gave bolton the hard word and as I have said before came away feeling elated knowing Gerard Batten had the leadership.
To my mind bolton was a farage conduit giving farage access for future party input.
Looks like THE ENEMY is raiding….
What a horror show: a choice between a mendacious Tory party that is conservative in name only, A Marxist who thinks Venezuela is some socialist utopia and a bunch of self-indulgent, petty bickerers who are going to do their best to fragment any alternative vote to get us out of the EU gulag, apparently because of some individual called Tommy Robinson.
IT IS WITH SOME DISTRESS THAT I CONTINUE WITH INDEPENDENCE DAILY ! If you wish to be the mouth of Nigel Farage, please say so, otherwise at least try to stay on script with Independence from the EU. You must be pleasing the Remainers with your wish to set Farage’s outfit against UKIP. By the way, Nigel himself left UKIP, with the rules of UKIP still intact, but with feet of clay decided to split the Brexit vote by yet another Independence Party !
Are there no limits to his name calling ? You know, when verbal ‘slander’ is made against another Party, it is general to take it that the noise comes from one who has little to offer the voters. This is bad enough, but when the attack is made against a Party with the same goal as yourself, we have to dip into the possibility of a case of mental difficulty ! Then again, although I used to regard Nigel highly, he does seem to have become obsessed with self importance, which is a damned shame !
The opinions in my article are mine – though admittedly widely held. Whose mouth piece are you?
This article seems to have been written by some sanctimonious Tory, which is, no doubt, why the author is supporting The Brexit Party.
Agreed.
It might help if you actually read the article yourself before coming up with such drivel: referring to the Conservatives within the article as CONfraudulents doesn’t really fit your theory, does it.
There’s more to being a social conservative than just screaming about Brexit, such as protecting our traditional cultural values by dealing with the Islam question, which you, like Farage, are clearly too afraid of doing. I wonder where all you Brexit Party supporters intend to go once Brexit is either won or lost. Join the fake Conservative Party perhaps? That way you’ll be able to continue surrendering to Islam and Cultural Marxist degeneracy with a clear conscience.
” Following Nigel’s departure,UKIP has had leaders who have proved themselves totally unfit for office”
Well, Yes, do you mean, Diane James, Paul Nuttall , and Mr Blazer himself Henry Bolton .
All now helping Nigel to get his message out to the gullible.
“Even by the 2016 Referendum, there was concern about the UKIP brand locally, and so we didn’t use UKIP publicity, concentrating on the Vote Leave branded materials instead.”
Yes, the Tory Vote Leave put more effort into smearing UKIP than fighting to win the Referendum; the reason for that is that the Tory party has no ethos other than a determination to keep competitors out. Their lack of patriotism would have prevented most decent people from associating with them. Meacock belonged to a party which imported unassimilable aliens at the same rate as Tony Blair: that is how crap they were and are. I have nothing but contempt for people who have associated with the Tories.
If you knew what you were talking about, you’d know that ANY party cannot control immigration from EU countries – so your attempted history lesson is pointless.
David, please calm down and stop trashing people on this website. This is supposed to be about independence. UKIP were and are the leaders in that whether you like it or not.
Well said Richard.
Contrary to your contention that UKIP is ahead on independence, according to polls the Brexit Party is already ahead of UKIP – quite some feat given the relative ages of the two political parties. I’m not trashing people as you say, but reserve the right to defend myself. Those in glass houses . . .
Granted, while we remain a member of the EU there is little we can do with regards to immigration from EU countries, thanks to ‘free movement of people’.
However what I believe forthurst may be refering to is the high levels of non-EU immigration, which increased rapidly during Labour’s turn in Government from 2007 to 2010, and did not significantly reduce after the Tories took over, despite all their ‘promises’.
The Tories failed to put an end to what is essentially ‘free movement of people’ from such delightful places as Pakistan and Somalia, amongst others.
EU immigration has always been a smokescreen to deflect away from the real issue.
Well at least we agree on the need to control immigration for the good of previous generations of migrants as much as anything else. Where we part company is in the manner of communication and the suitability of certain personnel . . . I think communication should be to win over the majority of the public by starting where they are, whereas inadequate thought has been given to how your average voter will react in spite of any of experience trying to get this basic point considered.
And if you had read properly what forthurst had written , you would understand that he or she was referring to immigration, apparently in general, but with a slant towards non EU immigration and by the terms used, particularly those belonging to the RoP.
This immigration is/was 100% within the competance of the UK Government which did not/still does not do, anything substantial to control. The history lesson is valid.
My advice would be to not use words out of context such as ‘incredulously’ before accusing someone else of ignorance (of the four freedoms of the single market).
It is relevant for UKIP to consider removing its very politically discriminatory membership criteria.
They may have suited UKIP’s purposes in the past, but as a party which should be fighting for individual freedom and free speech, they are simply incompatible with those ideals.
There are a number of patriotic” organisations, some of which UKIP has been in competition with.
If someone has been involved with any other organisation, the only criteria should be conduct and behaviour, including being personally and politically rude and offensive on and off line.
in respect of the UKIP EU candidate who apparently made an offensive rape comment, if true, then this person should be removed from the candidate’s list forthwith.
“in respect of the UKIP EU candidate who apparently made an offensive rape comment, if true, then this person should be removed from the candidate’s list forthwith.” Agreed – the truth of the comment is not in dispute as you’ll see if you’d watched Gerard Batten’s interview with Andrew Marr – see BBC iplayer.
And you are arguing for the likes of NAZI BNP because……….
Au contraire! (see I don’t dislike Europe, only the EU!) I’m not at all arguing FOR the likes of National Socialists (Nazi/BNP). I’ve said that just as cameth the Brexit hour, the current Leader has presented an open goal to MSM by appointing TR which means they can come across as giving UKIP equal and fair air-time, but stifle the Brexit message by concentrating on the TR and associated personnel issue, as I illustrated. The leader is reaping what he’s sown, just as many predicted.
You mentioned glasshouses in your prior post then by the same token just what has Tommy Robinson done wrong ? keeping in mind let those without sin cast…………
It is not all about you – I was responding to Anthony Webber.
If any of us allowed our actions to be dictated by the controlled mainstream media we’d never get anywhere, but that is what you are suggesting. At that rate, we may as well all join the Lib-Lab-Con for the sake of the media respectability which you seek.
It is also undoubtedly true that the “Tommy Robinson ” appointment has been both a PR blunder and exceptionally divisive.
UKIP simply did not need that.
It has put UKIP constantly on the defensive when Brexit needed to be focussed on
There are many people who could advise UKIP on a variety of issues and these are opportunities which need to be taken.
The more logical thing to do in respect of the “TR” appointment was to either not make it at all, or to make him one of a member of a committee of advisors ( there are plenty around on this subject area).
It upset a lot of members and gave the establishment media an another opportunity to knock UKIP yet again.
Very much an avoidable own goal.
Thank you for agreeing with my view re TR.
I repeat, just what has he done so wrong as to deserve the treatment he is getting from the establishment ?
and others.
I truly acknowledge that there was only ever one without sin, but currently there does seem to be a multitude
of NON sinners especially where Tommy Robinson is concerned.
Pandering to the fears perpetuated by the mainstream media and perpetuating them yourself, when its reckoned that now around 60% do not fall for their lies, is in what way clever or truthfull?
Look at the facts of the recent Bye-election. The Labour vote held sufficiently for the reasons stated in my main article, but UKIP should have been getting at least 20% of the vote from disaffected Conservatives, given with the DUP they had an absolute majority to implement their Brexit promise if all of their MP’s had faithfully tried to implement their Brexit promise. The Conservative polls started their collapse after the 29th March was missed. The reason people didn’t vote for UKIP is because of the own-goal TR distraction, which, as also proven by the disastrous TV interviews, is why UKIP is seen by most as the EDL/BNP in blazers. And, by the way, quoting bits of the Koran out of context is as silly as saying that the Bible says women should wear hats in church and mustn’t cut their hair short (however you define that)! I’d have rather heard quotes from the Conservative Manifesto with challenges as to why these promises have been breached.
Some pretty good comments here.
Anyone can see that UKIP and the Brexit party standing against each other is not good news.
True leadership means reaching out and offering a UKIP-Brexit party coalition for the EU elections.
A number of people on the party lists would have to be sacrificed but would they not want to do so for Brexit and their country?
As for the Brexit party, the most presentable candidate is in fact Richard Tice.
If he were the leader ,instead of Nigel Farage, I suspect their progress would be much better.
Nigel Farage has a limited following amongst the voting public, a fact confirmed by him never becoming elected as an MP, but UKIP having two others who were elected under the UKIP banner.
The Leave campaign needs new faces to take the public’s imagination.
In respect of Gerard Batten, who has achieved so much, he needs to accept he is not very media friendly or indeed a crowd gatherer. He should either work with a co-leader who does fit that role or move sideways into a supporting category, which he has always been good at.
AW,
You mean sort of follow the lab/lib/con nose holding form of coalition, the very form of alliance that has brought these Isles to the odious state we see them in today.
If Gerard Batten MEP says there is going to be no coalitions that is good enough for me.
A great many of the very people that are saying the route UKIP MUST take have in the main been supporting / voting lab/lib/con up until of late.
Re: My last comment – apologies, my RSS feed still says UKIP Daily…. however, I thought this site was about all pulling for Brexit, not one party sniping at another!
There are several reasons why Nigel Farage created the Brexit party… I’m hoping the primary ones are NOT (a) so he could lead it AND/OR (b) to destroy UKIP.
It _should_ be to enable us to leave the EU…. which won’t happen unless all leaver parties compromise regarding splitting the vote.
If you’d heard Nigel’s speech at the last UKIP Conference dinner, you’d have heard him advising not to be associated with TR et al, but sadly his and others (such as the Chairman’s & NEC) identical advice was ignored. But UKIP is where it is.
Surprised to see a recruiting article for the Brexit party in UKIP Daily! What’s going on?
UKIP Daily ceased some time ago. Independence Daily is independent of all parties and so is prepared to consider views for and against any political party.
Having served with both Nigel and Gerard on the nec, and door-knocked for both, I’m waiting to see who’s on the FULL set of candidates for both parties before making up my mind.
Luckily, Sargon isn’t standing in the SE…
Yes the candidate list should be interesting. Expect Nigel’s ex MEP mates who can’t get in the Tory party to feature. I also suspect more than a few prospective MEPs are secretly hoping for a longer ride on the eu gravy train or maybe a quick and lucrative redundancy package?
And when the Brexit Party falls apart where will their MEPs go? Independent? Tory? The ex-UKIP MEPs have form on this.
They get paid for the full 5 years if Brexit is called. So about a £1.5 million tax free payoff.
Is that correct? Wow no wonder there is such a rush to jump on nigel’s bandwagon or should that be gravy train.
Interesting, no wonder there is a clamour to get those places on the EU Gravy Train!
If you’ve got no chance getting elected as a Tory candidate, stand as a ‘The Brexit Party’ candidate instead!
‘Financial enrichment’. That’s all this is about sadly. The European Elections are otherwise irrelevant to much of the British Public. After five years, how many people can name who their current MEP is?
“Luckily, Sargon isn’t standing in the SE…” says it all! Don’t you get it?! The fact he’s standing at all, esp. following his foul rape comment taints the whole party just as TR’s appointment – technically to the Leader and so not a UKIP appointment as such – does: end of. Wake up and smell the coffee!
A lot of people have woken up, thats why we recognise the stink of your cheap ersatz, acorn fake coffee.
Ha, David! Just look at the comments to your self-justifying diatribe? People see what is going on. I am so sorry you feel you need to leave UKIP. The party has had a bumpy ride since Nigel stepped down as leader. A year ago it was almost gone…. But, it has the brand and the people to compete where it needs to: locally and nationally.
I don’t see a problem with Nigel and some of his following being elected as MEPs. The more Brexiteers there are the better. But, it’s just a pressure group, not a political party. Not really.
Gerard Batten is the leader UKIP always needed. He sees beyond Brexit. He has guts. He tells it like it is. He knows it was a risk taking on Tommy. When he did so, I thought “Oh, no!” So looked him up on YouTube. He has been totally misrepresented. He is the kind of hard working, working class man this country needs. The way he has been vilified and stitched up is awful. That is not to condone all his tactics…. but, someone like him demands respect. And, frankly, anyone who speaks like you have done, is just plain wrong…. that has consequences, as Nigel will find out.
All UKIP MEPs signed a charter that their seat belonged to UKIP (yes, pen and ink means something). Not a single one of them has done what they pledged to do. How can you trust any of them? That speaks volumes.
To try to bad mouth UKIP in the way you have is a very bad thing to have done… to try to slurp a party that agrees with you on so much as BNP/EDL in blazers is simply not true… that is why Tommy is not a member! Nuff said!
Well said. People should do their own research into Tommy instead of repeating slurs about him. What the Establishment have been doing to this man and his family is absolutely shocking. I hope he does become a UKIP member.
“Tommy is not a member”. No, he’s more than a member: he’s been formally appointed as the Leader’s adviser!
Sorry David, that is rubbish. You don’t have to be a member to be an advisor, so what you say does not make sense. Please go to YouTube and type in Tommy Robinson. Watch the video of the US / Canadian interviewer they had to hold in Austria or somewhere like that. The press and all and sundry are tearing into this poor man, but, thankfully, he is more than up to the fight.
Personally, I don’t think it will be the best idea for him to be a member. Not because he is far-right or anything crazy like that, just he is severely tainted through an awfully biased media….
Please, David, you need to calm down about this. You’ve obviously got an axe to grind, and it is very regrettable that you chose to air it on here. Especially, as a previous, recent article was appealing for UKIP and the Brexit party not to fight….
I didn’t say you have to be a member to be an adviser. But you’re surely not going to try to dispute that being a political Party Leader’s adviser is more high profile than being a rank and file member; esp. given it was announced – clearly with the hope – forlorn so far – that the significant tranche of the 1 million social media followers expected to join UKIP would outnumber those who would leave.
Tommy Robinson is NOT a member of UKIP. Nigel Farage’s own rules mean that Tommy is not allowed to become a member. Tommy does not hold any ‘official’ position within the party. Mr Batten chose to appoint him as an unofficial ‘personal’ advisor, informally of course.
Sorry, but you are just parroting the incorrect mainstream media ‘narrative’.
And this comes to you from someone who finds Tommy Robinson’s involvement with UKIP questionable. But I do object to untruths being passed off as facts.
As a UKIP activist I have been on the end of harassment and physical attacks from left-wing agitators. Headlines like the one above add fuel onto the fire and in my opinion are inflammatory and dangerous, as well as smearing the ordinary decent people who support the party.
I’m not in favour of Batten’s association with TR, and I think it was a mistake as it just gives the media a bigger stick to attack us with (though they weren’t exactly friendly earlier), but I am very grateful to him for saving the party, and though Brexit is the priority there are major issues we are highlighting like Free Speech which other parties are not addressing.
As for Nigel, I am extremely disappointed. I was on the UKIP bus with him during the referendum campaign, I’ve supported him in local campaigning, I’ve been to his rallies. I used to idolise him, listening to every speech and watching every video. But according to him I am now an extremist, along with the thousands of other decent UKIP members.
It hurts to see MEPs including Nigel who I supported and even nominated for leadership leave the party, retaining seats despite signing an agreement that they would relinquish them, and kicking us on the way out when they had plenty of opportunity to run for leader and to help change the direction of the party.
Nigel in particular would have walked any leadership election, but he chose to stand by while the party nearly went under and only started speaking up when Gerard managed to save it. I get the impressions that Nigel wanted the party to fold so he could sweep up all the activists for his new vehicle which doesn’t have a pesky NEC or other democratic structures to hold him to account.
Brexit Party supporters adopting the tactics of the media and the left to smear UKIP and its members will not make them switch to the Brexit Party, it’ll have the opposite effect.
Pesky NEC? Spot on!
And I note the latest MEP defectors weren’t at the top of UKIP’s lists because of alleged failure to comply with the MEPs charter they all signed up to ?
Quite right, Steve. Well said. Thank you for a very balanced and controlled reply. To be honest, UKIP needed to get rid of the ex-Tory faction. I don’t think Gerard has done that deliberately, but, in my view it’s a positive in the long run.
The My Big Ego Party is not a Party, has no Members and no Policies. In fact when asked what Policies Mr Big Fat Ego himself would be putting into place he replied the ones like Ukip has. Duh?! I don’t think so – Would you adopt things you hold in total contempt, including the people who have democratically put into place? No need to answer, it’s a no brainier.So whilst The Big Fat Ego Party (that’s not a Party remember) careers along grabbing at money from anyone who has a lot, mainly ex Cons, Ukip are continuing doing what they’ve been doing for 26 years, standing up for democracy where the EU has none, sovereignty, freedom, our own laws, our ability to trade on our own terms and conditions our proud patriotic values. We’ve been there from day one, we are still there, our staunch British values and the need to self govern has not wavered. All exactly what LEAVERS voted for. With Mr Farage and his friends, for a few weeks only, lording it about looking down on real Patriotic people who just want independence.careers around hoping out of all hope this will make him a Peer. If it wasn’t so serious we would all be falling about thinking we’d just inhaled laughing gas. Ukip are here for YOU.
Are we not in danger of allowing the quest for perfection to trump the quest for improvement? Gerard has my vote as one of the extremely few politicians that come across as wholly honest and trustworthy. He is the one that the membership themselves suggested to step up to revive the flagging corpse of the party that HB had run into the ground, and in that he has succeeded. The reason he had to rescue UKIP in the first place is that Nigel had abandoned the party. It therefore ill befits Nigel (and others) to now sling mud. OK, Gerard isn’t perfect, nor is any politician, but he is UKIP leader and he is reviving UKIP’s fortunes, and he is right that militant Islam is a problem – oh, and he has put UKIP squarely back on the Brexit playing field. Let’s see how much substance Nigel’s new party can muster on the ground before we start infighting. The task is to secure Brexit (in case anyone has forgotten) and to do that we may have to cooperate. Please leave the infighting until Brexit is won.
Agree 100%
The reason Farage’s new party will do much better than UKIP in forthcoming EU and GE elections, is not just because Farage is a master publicist and unbeatable public speaker, it is because potential voters have no reason NOT to vote for him. For example, if a Leaver is considering voting for Gerard, they might easily be put off by one or other of our policies or controversial associations. But that same Leaver will never be put off voting for Nigel, for the simple reason that The Brexit Party has no policies or controversial associations. So there is nothing for anyone to object to. Whereas Gerard goes into interviews on the defensive, there is nothing that Nigel needs to defend, because there is simply nothing there. There are no policies on immigration or defence or healthcare or education, so there is nothing “not to like”.
It’s very clever really, when you think about it.
The Brexit Party isn’t t ready for a general election. There are no campaigners, no policies and no candidates. All of which take years to build.UKIP are already selecting their MPs for the GE in 2022.
As far as Nigel is concerned, he has always been divisive and there are many people now joining UKIP who wouldn’t join when He was leader. On top of all this UKIP and Farage were always smeared, ‘tainted’ and accused of racism. Now that the media rather like Nigel. Ecause he can help them destroy UKIP, he gets a huge amount of media attention.
I see Nigel’s Movement as giving a home to disaffected Tories who want to give their party a bloody nose. Once we have left the EU and a new Brexiteer leader is in place they will return to the fold. Anunziata Rees Mogg knows this. As do many other Tories and celebrities who are joining him. All they see is survival of the Tory party and U!IP must be crushed. If the ordinary voter fails to see this then we are doomed. Thankfully UKIP membership is growing fast, so I suspect yet again, it doesn’t matter the propaganda, the voter will do what is best for the country.
“Once we have left the EU .. ” Anjela I hope you are right on this but I believe Frau May has other ideas.
It may be ‘very clever’ but, lets be honest, there is nothing disreputable about it.
He is saying, for the purpose of these EU elections ‘If you want real Brexit vote TBP’.
( He has said that they will develop policies after the Euros for future Westminster elections.)
For myself I wish he would just add in ‘ and we stand vociferously for Proportional Representation to elect the Commons and also local authorities to finally demolish the FPTP ‘Rotten Boroughs’ system ‘ .
Two great policies should be enough for now : if PR is delivered that is the time for all parties, old and new, to set out their detailed stalls and invite votes from supporters of those policies, each and every one of those votes thus having equal weight ~ unlike now.
Hearing PR and a losers vote all the time is like groundhog day.
We want out of the common market.
Stay focussed.
Oh dear Mr Meacock. Not you too?
The political party system is the “revolution against the English constitution” because it (the party system) centralises power and prevents the dispersal of power. If you read my article on http://www.cravenfreedom.com you wil see that ALL party poltiicians are traitors, in spite of their promise when elected to support the Crownans its heris an succssors, becuase they remove form the Monrch the prerogative to appoint Ministers of the Crown. So we get Ministers appointed from t elottery we call “eelctions” and the charlatans who join th egame.The party system cancels the Act fo Settlement which separated the Commons from the government. .
If yuou fall for Niglel Farage and any other party hack, you are not as clever as you make out.
He seems rather deceitfull to me
What a load of drivel from people who benefited from the hard work and financial support of UKIP.
Most of these people got their seat on the proviso that if they left UKIP they would hand their seat back to UKIP.
Narcissism and sour grapes runs riot.
Nigel Farage did his best top destroy UKIP internally by planting Henry Bolton, a Progressive “ex Military” man. Bolton was removed so Nigel is now making a full frontal assault to break UKIP. As the EP Elections are PR it matters little. However if Nigel forms the new Conservative Party and they stand in places for Westminster Seats against UKIP candidates then that will be sufficient to convince me that Nigel has simply gone native. The lack of any clarity of how Brexit would be achieved by the Brexit Party is classic. I would not trust Nigel to tell me the time. I have been involved with UKIP since Dr Alan Sked’s days so have some knowledge of how UKIP manifestly dropped their opportunity after the excellent South West Conference so many years ago when Neil Hamilton came on the scene. No MPs in Westminster says it all. Nigel is an eloquent speaker and an appalling manager who will not delegate as he needs to control everything himself.
Turns out Has-been Henry is running – guess what? – a Brexit party! https://www.our-nation.uk/
A look at the constitution suggests at least 50% is a direct crib from UKIP – and some poor proofreading:
“Members of other political parties may become ordinary member the Party. They may not However, this Constitution does not prevent such persons becoming members of, supporting or donating to the Party.”
“14.3 The Party Chairman (or in his absence, his designated deputy) shall be entitled to, (subject to the approval of the National Board and the Party Leader) refuse to admit any person to membership without reservation. Brief reasons will be given for any such refusal where it is deemed appropriate.” (Looks similar to 4.2.2 for example)
As I have stated many times before ,there are no UKIP MPS in Parliament because the supporters are spread too thinly across the country .Even with UKIP`s highest polling it cannot obtain seats . The reason the three main parties get their seats is because of the concentration of their supporters in different areas .
In the coming EU elections if the current polling remains the same, UKIP/The Brexit party will receive around 12% of the vote resulting in halving the number of MEPS . Remainers will take that as a win for them .
We have already seen in the last General Election that voters have no appetite for fringe parties and revert back to the norm . Tories will be particularly vulnerable in the South to the Liberals ,as they always have been , as supporters jump ship to them because they cannot bring themselves to vote Labour .
“… he “wouldn’t even rape her”, which Andrew Marr rightly pointed out would in most political parties lead to expulsion,”
Expulsion?!
For those who struggle with humour, here’s the man himself to explain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZF6chDuInA
With regards Tommy Robinson I have a question. What motivation do some people have for opposing him in his valuable work, exposing and bringing to public attention the raping of children on an industrial scale. Why do they think denigrating him is more important than paedophilia. Why do they want to have it all swept under the carpet?
Good question re TR and I too wonder how ukip has ever attracted people who cannot deal with the stuff he draws attention to, notably why the Authorities are silent.
Mind you, if the answer is Common Purpose, I don’t understand why it isn’t a ukip priority to expose that. Or cultural Marxism while they’re at it.
But something else that doesn’t get much attention is radicalisation of previously decent, friendly people of pakistani heritage, which I have witnessed first hand, having spent 25 years living in the South East, working or playing cricket alongside for years. Tommy too, having grown up amongsuch people who changed as they got older.
Still, that can wait My election posters have arrived as has my postal vote. KBO’ing etc.
Hope Viv feeling better soon.
Alan in Cape Town SA they had people from Malaya that had been brought in by the Dutch starting from 1654 They were Muslim. Everyone got on just fine. Then during the ‘transformation’ a terrorist attack on one of our churches occurred. It was people from their community. They’d been radicalised.
Not radiculiased .. they just went to the normal, mainstream islamic teachings of the next stage…
“Why do they want to have it all swept under the carpet?” Perhaps they rightfully feel complicit in some way for their (lack of) immigration policy and failure to deal with the issue for years. Also there have been paedos in high places, perhaps more widespread than those publicised and no reason to believe such practices are not continuing.
Because we don’t believe nasty things like that can happen and we’d rather not make a fuss and more importantly because, he’s not ‘one of us ‘ is he.!
Absolutely BRILLIANT video, thanks.
As to tr and gb – the fear mongers pander to the msn ignoring the fact that the majority are now wise to the msn lies.
Siding with tr…. one of the best ever moves, since the majority of working class, let alone others, know we have serious problems with islam and previously the only one talking about it was ober feuhrer nazi nick griffin and his evil lying followers.
To those that moan that gb has little charisma… HITLER has lots of charisma.
Gerrard has SINCERITY/TRUTH.
It was a behind the scenes talk rather than the heavily and selectively edited interview the ITV viewers would have seen, no doubt largely about TR. I found it pretty interesting and think it is a good idea for Ukip to film the entire proceedings so every is seen in context and arguments are allowed to be formed fully rather than cut off mid sentence.
Whilst he has made a rod for his back with the TR appointment that politically may not have been a good move, GB’s honesty, sincerity and sense of fair play come across loud and clear and I think people will respect that.
I don’t think the full talk here was a disaster – indeed I got the feeling the interviewer was listening and warming to him somewhat by the end, amazed by his unpolitician-like candour.
I agree that GB made a huge error in allying himself with TR at this time, although the threat from the growth in the followers of Islam needs to be addressed before we are overwhelmed. Obviously it cannot be addressed whilst we remain in the EU so our leaving must be the primary objective for now.
As for Farage I simply don’t trust him and his insulting of decent UKIP members is both unwarranted and wholly unacceptable.
Re Stuart’s comment that GB got his TIMING wrong, when exactly IS the right time for honesty about a serious problem attacking our nation?
As for Farage, I agree. He is uber-autocratic but has always been of very poor judgement. A very poor combination. A grandstander extraordinaire, true, but little more. I know his true views about the Islamist threat is exactly the same as GB’s so he is a hypocrite. Unlike the honest Gerard, he chooses to play the “safe” politically-correct , “respectable” line and throw Establishment-style insults like “islamophobe” at GB. Despicable.
Articles by “Tories in Exile” – like the one today likening UKIP to the BNP are insulting and untrue. The BNP is inspired by continental fascism and it is an outrageous insult to members like me who believe in traditional Britain and its values to call UKIP such a thing.
Truth and honesty is ALWAYS RESPECTABLE in my book. UKIP and GB in particular is the only party offering that.
Unfortunately, and as expected, the timing has led to criticism at a time when we need to focus on our exit from the EU as the primary task. Of course urgency is needed but it should not be allowed to frustrate our exit from the EU, without which we are not free to act as we should.
NF has an ex BNP member on his staff.
-“Yet after only a few days, The Brexit Party has over double UKIP’s current membership”
How does one become a ‘member’ of The Brexit Party then? On their website there is only the option to become a ‘registered supporter’ (at a cost of £25 I must add!). What does one get for this £25 a year cost? Do ‘registered supporters’ get to be nominated as election candidates? Do they get to attend regular branch meetings?
Sorry, but this all looks like a money-making racket to me.
Lets face it, Nigel got a referendum on the table and we are all grateful for that but he did not win the referendum. It was Vote Leave that won the referendum with the key people in that movement being desperate to keep Nigel out of the way because they knew he was toxic to many voters.
If the Brexit Party’s biggest coup to date is to recruit the sister of Rees Mogg then there is clearly much work to do if it is to achieve what Nigel describes as an ‘earthquake’.
Stuart is right, at the beginning of The Brexit Party, people only had to register support, at no cost, so how many of those interested people are now classed as “full supporters”. As for NF, I idolised him, but then came to realise that he thought UKIP was HIS party, and the members were only there as cash cows, we must remember that the leaders we had after he walked away, and GB taking over, were mostly his nominees, so why did he put these people forward, and recommend the membership to vote for them? I will leave you to make your own minds up about that.
Classing supporters as members was a trick the Marmite Millionaire used with the Referendum Party.
Thats the way it looks to me also. No manifesto or statement of values etc., but plenty of choice ie join as a supporter and send money, or just send money. All their events seem to be ticket only which even the supporters have to pay over and above their annual ‘subscription’.
And this from their website Events page “We are the only party fighting to save Brexit. Really Nigel?
Nigel is now taking credit for starting the Brexit party, when in fact it was Blaiklock, who I would imagine is rather annoyed to find her freedom of speech immediately curtailed and virtually booted out of ‘her’ party.
It looks to me also as if Nigel and the elites are forming a new type of party without members to hold them back (or hold them to account or internal elections) but are quite happy to take their labour and money.
I think I’ll stick with the ‘louts and thugs’ in UKIP.
ps. For anyone intending joining the Brexit party, note that they did not have the foresight to reserve ‘thebrexitparty.com’ or perhaps even ‘.co.uk.’ so I think you can look out for legal spoofs appearing.
Catherine made very clear to me that web domains and twitter accounts were not top priority – we’ll get them when we need them – funnily, within days of the question being asked a holding page had appeared ?
Talking of the ‘louts and thugs’ in UKIP . . . I see the greens have had 150 people nicked for protests.
That’s exactly what it is. Pay your money and pretend you belong to something. A very clever ruse which would be fine if they had co-operated with UKIP. When Nigel moves on to something else what happens then?