‘Fishy Tales’ we’ve heard while No Deal looms
In a few hours we’ll know if it’s No Deal or the final Brexit betrayal. While we wait, I’ll ‘entertain’ you with some fishy tales which saw the light of day in an astonishing instance of ‘must give the other side a say’. The DT yesterday afternoon had reports on fishing and France in the DT, articles which even six months ago wouldn’t have seen the light of day.
Let’s look first though on a report about wails of dismay by Remain Tories in regard to the news that the RN was preparing for patrolling our maritime areas after a No Deal Brexit.
It started with a BC interview of Lord Patten and Tobias Ellwood MP, reported in the DT. The BC gave them air time to howl over the leaked news that the Royal Navy was preparing to protect UK fishermen against French incursions. We recall that there were some such incidents in the past which weren’t precisely peaceful. Patten and Ellwood denounced BJ of being a horrible ‘English Nationalist’, of being “on a “runaway train of English exceptionalism” in thinking the country would prosper under no deal.” (paywalled link).
Not only were the comments (over 2,000 this morning) unanimously scathing about Patten’s and Ellwood’s remarks, many of them pointed out that Patten was a former EU Commissioner and gets his nice pension, tax-free, from the EU.
And for once these Tory Remainers were put in place – or rather; stuffed – in the same article, by Admiral Lord Alan West, a retired First Sea Lord. I suspect he was picked by the BC because he became a Labour politician after he retired. They must have hoped for more wails. However, this isn’t how it turned out. The DT quotes him verbatim, and it’s well worth reading:
“Lord West said: “It is absolutely appropriate that the Royal Navy should protect our waters if the position is that we are a sovereign state and our Government has said we don’t want other nations there. It is absolutely appropriate for the navy to do as it is told by the Government. There are complications in that you can push vessels aside, you can cut their fishing tackle but boarding these foreign ships, they’ll need to pass probably a little thing through Parliament to give authority to board and get on them. There is no doubt if you are a fisherman who has fished for years there – they are, as our fishermen are, quite stormy people – and you get a bit of a punch-up and you might need some marines and things.” (paywalled link)
Methinks this former First Sea Lord knows a bit more about these things than the wailing Remain Tories. He actually knows ‘things’ on the ground – or should that be ‘things on the water’? – thus his points carry far more weight than what the Pattens and Ellwoods and other Remain politicians might say in these last hours before No Deal Brexit. They, and those the Sunday TV shows will inevitably wheel out, ought to be asked why they’d rather submit to a foreign power than support our country.
Here’s the other fishy tale to entertain us while we wait. It’s a report – by the DT’s Paris correspondent, no less. We know that Macron wants ‘his substantial slice’ of the fish cake and won’t budge. We know that Brussels believes that a No Deal will bring our country to its knees and will force us back to their negotiating table, begging for crumbs, crying out to be let back under the mighty Brussels boot.
So what do French fishermen cry about? Are they defiant in the face of being patrolled by the RN? Are they preparing for naval battles in the Channel? Oh yes they are – but not with us and the RN! This is the headline:
“France gears up for war with European neighbours if locked out of British waters by no deal Brexit – Dutch and German trawlers are thought to be eyeing up French waters already” (paywalled link)
That is, you’d agree, quite a turn-up for the books! We’re told that the small boats of French fishermen catch 70% of their EU quota in our waters and one might therefore expect their anger being directed against our fishermen, but no:
“With no deal in sight, Olivier Le Prêtre, head of the Hauts-de-France fishing council […] said he feared the French would be overrun by European rivals if the UK cut them out of theirs. “If it was only French fishermen in French waters, then no-deal might be ok but we have the Belgians, the Dutch to contend with […]. If they all end up in French waters, there is a risk of overfishing and in a few months we’ll annihilate stocks.” (paywalled link)
He and other French fishery spokesmen are quite clear on who the baddies are:
“The Dutch [M Le Prêtre] claimed were the villains of the piece. “This is a nation that is exterminating fish. They have bought up the European fleet, they fish to excess. We all know full well that if we exterminate the fish they won’t come back ever again,” (paywalled link)
He’s supported by another regional Fishery representative, M Rogoff who comes out with the warnings of punch-ups, also pointing the finger at the Dutch being the fishing villains:
“They practice what I would call a scorched-earth policy: when there is nothing left, they look elsewhere. We saw it with electric fishing. That cannot sit with our fishermen who fish locally and don’t look elsewhere when nothing’s left,” (paywalled link)
Oh dear. Of course, when our fishermen complained about this it went unheard and unreported in the MSM. Also of course our ‘green’ NGOs have been conspicuously silent about preserving our maritime environment. Forests of Wind Turbines are more ‘green’ than preserving fish stocks. Here’s more from M Rogoff:
“At the moment they fish all over the Channel, in French and English waters,” he said. But with the advent of Brexit, and no fishing deal in sight, he fears “a build-up of these giants on the French side because the English won’t let them in anymore. They have trawlers that are 30 to 40 metres long, much bigger than French boats so it creates rivalry. It will be explosive. It’ll end in a punch-up between Europeans and that’s unbearable. A political choice has to be made and it’s urgent,” (paywalled link)
Ah – but these concerns are no concerns for Macron who, for the sake of punishing us has fabricated the Brexit outcome he prefers: No Deal. There were protests by French fishermen about which we heard nothing:
“Fishermen protested in Fécamp this week with NGOs against the presence of eight massive, mainly Dutch-owned trawlers currently fishing 26 miles off the coast .[…] The boats can catch 200 tons of fish in one night – the annual catch of four small French fishing boats.” (paywalled link)
There’s more fishy stuff, demonstrating a quite remarkable ‘unity’ on fishing amongst EU member states who, for the sake of their own ‘industries’ prefer to avoid any compromise and go along with the Paris-Brussels-Berlin axis of punishing us for voting to leave:
“Mr Rogoff said that the French government was keeping quiet about the brewing row for now so as not to rock the boat during Brexit talks. “There is strong lobbying by the Dutch towards France, which doesn’t want to fall out with their ‘allies’ over Brexit,” (paywalled link)
It gets even better, or rather, worse, if you’re a French fisherman who is being sold down the drain by his President while said President postures about his ‘concern’ for his fishermen. This is what M Rogoff told the DT next:
“The Dutch fleet relocated to Britain some time ago as we have see lots of big Dutch-owned seine boats with UK flags in recent years.Now they have started operating boats with German flags, the likes of which have not been seen in the Channel since the Second World War” (paywalled link)
Clearly that can’t be true because neither the BC nor RemainCentral reported this! On this deadline Sunday, we learn that, thanks to Brussels intransigence, it’s not our small fishermen who’ll be the French targets but the big trawlers, owned by Dutch and other fishery conglomerates.
It looks as if the RN will indeed be needed to ‘keep the peace’. I also suspect that the remarks dropped into the discourse by Admiral Lord Alan West were a hint of things to come when he mentioned ‘marines and things’. There’s one chink of light but it remains to be seen if this will help small fishing boats, British or French, to fish in peace after Brexit, in our or in French waters:
“This week, the UK told European Commission negotiators that after Brexit, fishing boats must be majority British owned to benefit from the larger catch in UK waters.” (paywalled link)
Might a No Deal Brexit lead to a better maritime environment, to saving fish stocks, something our ‘greens’ surely must support? That would be another turn-up for the books! Perhaps our ‘green’-obsessed NGOs and BJ might think about that rather than obsess about wind farms and such, for once?
And finally, RemainCentral has published an ‘analysis’ in which the author seems uncertain about whom to blame most, but Macron is slowly emerging as the villain of this piece, allegedly telling his EU colleagues to ‘keep pushing and the British will fold’. Over here, Cabinet and Whitehall know that a deal has now become impossible:
“Most [ministers] are expecting a call today to say that there is no point going on with the talks. The prognosis is not good. “We are totally stuck,” a Downing Street source said. Whitehall officials say the chance of a deal is now “just 20%”.” (link, paywalled)
‘20%’ – well, if today isn’t the time to finally walk away, when is it? When there’s only a ‘1% chance’ left? I hope we’ll be spared having to chew our fingernails up to our elbows while we wait and wait and wait for this announcement!
KBO!
Oh the irony of the situation after all the English fishermen [people] have suffered. Back at you to our ” dear friends and neighbours” HO HO HO !!
Doris has killed the Tory party, he only needed to walk away to become a saint, now hes a joke and the eu know that
It was good to read everything that has been going on today Viv and Debbie (save’s me bothering with the gutter press I don’t buy rags either). You must have been pretty angry today Viv to forgo your day off. I heard the talks were going to continue and what I said (to myself) was definitely unprintable. My “con”servative MP, like most others I believe, just likes posing for pictures with the diminishing number of businesses just about keeping their heads above water and thinks everything in the garden is rosy. #*#*#*#*#*#. (Insert your own expletives).
4.22 p.m. Beeb news. Talks extended.
No I didn’t watch or listen, just googled.
Where is everyone? So few comments.
I wasn’t expecting Viv to write today so I didn’t look. Totally admire the way you battle on Viv.
My own view is one of cynical resignation but we’ll see…. Even with No Deal there will still be the Security Treaty.
The sad fact of the matter is that we have an utterly dreadful prime minister heading up an equally dreadful government who quite simply do not believe in democracy, and nor do they believe in upholding and protecting our precious civil liberties and freedoms. One just cannot believe any of the hot air that emanates from his mouth, and has demonstrated time and again that he has absolutely no backbone whatsoever. We shouldn’t be surprised about the latest of a whole series of climbdowns as he is a serial offender. I knew somehow that he would climb down and agree to extensions of the talks because his speech the other day about the Sunday Brexit deadline was so theatrical in nature that it was unbelievable. The Conservative Party is so damn weak that it will not hold this fool to account for his actions, so the electorate will have to ensure that from next May his weasel like government hits the buffers at the ballot box instead.
Johnson was given an 80 seat majority in Dec 2019 to crush the persistent treachery of Parliament and to deal with the machinations of the EU.
What is this scoundrel up to?
Gifted his majority, by wasting it with vacillating on Brexit and embracing Green Loon policies while jumping on the EPR bandwagon at the dictation of his leman, Mr Johnson makes one wonder if Eton’s time is over.
JF
How long is that ‘extra mile’ BJ and the EU are now going to go? How long is this going to take? They’re still ‘talking’, according to BJ and vdLeyen.
This is insufferable – and it’s ironic that the people Frosty now has to negotiate with are a sidekick of vdLeyen, a Ms Riso, rather than Barnier. Will she pull out concessions from us, at the last second?
It’s well past time for BJ and Frosty to pull the plug – our patience is at an end. To say it rudely: sh*t or get off the can!
Precisely Viv!!!
1 – Anti-common market Cummings has been got rid of.
2 – More concessions to brussels allowing foreigners to work and dictate goings on in Northern Ireland
3 – Talks in a ditch will end at the end of June, err July err . . . could go into next year 2023!
4 – No mention at all of the surrender treaty aka WA or one way divorce settlement
5 – Don’t forget 130 thousand million to common market coffers for nothing. (Bruce Forsythe voice) Higher, Higher!
I’m sure there are other things under the radar. Such as fishing. Allowing plunders any pct of NSea for any period of time is not what is reqd. Take it all fishing rights back to what it was before 1970 i.e. ‘British’ waters on 1 Jan 21,
Then you overseas pirates can negotiate from scratch. If we are still talking to the headmistress in brussels on how to dress up British concessions, then there is time to negotiate new from scratch fishing ‘deals’.
” 130 thousand million to Common Market coffers”, and let us never forget the £ 23 thousand million which England has spent subsidising EU member states’ shortfall on contributions to NATO. NEVER MENTIONED.
I don’t expect you to go the extra mile Mr Blond, I expect you to die (in a ditch.)
Get on with it you worthless plonker.
🙂 Very good!
“Sh*t or get off the can”. That’s s new one. Can I add it to my repertoire?
Of course – be my guest!
You are right Viv. GET OFF THE CAN. Trouble is the SH*T he might still do is a BRINO.
“When there’s only a ‘1% chance’ left?”
Time itself will take care of the chances reducing to this figure and beyond.
All that needs to happen is for Frostie to have his mobile charged and switched on, and any call that doesn’t say “the fish is all yours, you have the right to decide on how to support your own industries and your legal system is supreme, do you want to talk about purely trade matters” can be immediately terminated.
Just needs a little backbone, (oh shoot)
Jim R. Spot on, that. In fact, thinking about it, that the EU will not talk about trade, points to the fact that their economies can not survive without the protectionism of their ‘level playing field’.
WOW Viv. War between France, Holland and Belgium. When did that last happen?
We British are really wicked aren’t we causing these things with Brexit.
Perhaps I should have said we English not British. S,N.P. have had their wrists slapped. Scotland would have to join the Euro to get back into E.U.
Once – at Waterloo.
When Napoleon was beaten in 1814 and abdicated, in the ensuing Vienna peace negotiations, Holland, i.e. the Dutch, took the Flemish-speaking part of Belgium. Until 1814 all of them had been occupied by the French.
Then Napoleon came roaring back in 1815. By that time the Dutch and their Belgian contingents were allies, providing troops for Wellington’s Army.
So the Belgian and Dutch fought the French once, even though the historically correct, nitpicking answer would have to be ‘never’ because Belgium was only created in 1830, and in WWI and WWII they were allied with the French, fighting on the same side.
Dontcha love history!
Thanks Viv. I knew you would know the answer to that question.
I suppose I can understand the French still ‘idolising’ Napoleon and for that matter Joan of Arc. Different Nations are bound to have different perspectives.
Surely that is the whole point though. Europe is made up of many different NATIONS. Different languages, cultures, histories and attitudes.
The E.U. Superstate Project must be fundamentally flawed. The sooner it breaks down the better I.M.O.
Meanwhile why the hell are we still tied to it.
Very interesting to read about the Dutch supertrawlers being the common enemy. Wasn’t there a Spanish monster too seen in the Solent last year? All the divide and rule tactics so far have only been aimed at the French and British small fishermen. Sounds like they ought to mobilise against the real common enemy.
No deal seemed like an impossible dream at the start of this dreadful year so I will keep, like the old Chinese proverb goes, hoping for sun but expecting rain (looking gloomily out of the window.)
As Viv would say: KBO!