In a learned and lawyerly article for the DT, the Vice President of ‘Lawyers for Britain’, Clive Thorne, offers his opinion which ought to be food for thought for the Remainer MPS in the HoC. His article, with the title “The new Brexit bill is more a political than legal issue” (paywalled link), gently blows those ‘legal’ arguments out of the water.
It’s astonishing that so many Remain Tories, subdued and silent until now, are suddenly finding their Remain voice again, as if they’ve woken up out of their Covid slumber. They are given ample space in the MSM to tell us all how awful, how dangerous, this proposed Bill is – Ms May, unsurprisingly, well to the fore. They would do well to get their heads round Clive Thorne’s arguments.
After recapitulating what the WA implies, Mr Thorne makes some points which are of extreme importance in the arguments about International Law being breached, as stated by Brussels and our Remainers:
“The government has rightly indicated that the protocol purports to achieve the irreconcilable: protecting the EU Single Market and the trading integrity of the Irish Republic whilst also giving Northern Ireland unfettered access to markets in Great Britain. In any event, the EU is not a state and the court has no jurisdiction in disputes between it and a non-member nation state.
The arrangement was concluded with strong pressure by the Irish Republic, which arguably failed to recognize that there is a fundamental distinction between its position as an EU member state which has subsumed its trading rights within the EU and the United Kingdom which is now, in the words of Lord Frost, “a sovereign state, free to set its own laws”.
Trading laws and policy largely fall outside the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, so there is no obligation to treat the Irish Republic other than as an EU member state.” (paywalled link)
This is a first indication that the arguments about the Good Friday Agreement and by implication about a ‘breach of International Law’ are so much dust thrown up by the vested interests of Remain here and the EU over there. There’s more:
“Against that background, the British Government has indicated its intention to amend the Withdrawal Agreement to address the state aid issue so that EU rules only apply in Northern Ireland, to reform the requirement that Northern Irish businesses must complete export declarations when they send goods to Great Britain and to reform the procedure for exporting goods from Great Britain to Northern Ireland. It is also introducing an Internal Market Bill to ensure goods from Northern Ireland continue to have unfettered access to the UK.” (paywalled link)
Mr Thorne then addresses that outcry about the legality of the Bill, by referring to Parliamentary Sovereignty and by presenting precedents, according to lawyerly customs:
“The question therefore is whether the proposed action is lawful. The position under domestic law is plain, and stems from the long-established doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty which has frequently been summarized that Parliament can make laws covering anything, that no Parliament can bind a future Parliament and in practice most importantly that a valid Act of Parliament cannot be questioned by the court .
Exceptions to this doctrine included the European Communities Act 1972, which provided for the supremacy of EU law. That legislation was however repealed by section 1 of the 2018 Act. Other exceptions include the Human Rights legislation though it is hard to see the relevance of that in relation to trade practice and policy.
The highest courts in the United Kingdom and in Commonwealth countries including New Zealand have approved the above concepts of parliamentary sovereignty. Jurists of the highest calibre including Lord Bingham and Lord Reid have approved the doctrine in their judgments. A prime example is Lord Reid giving the advice of the majority in the Privy Council in 1967 in the well-known Rhodesian independence case of Madzimbamuto v Lardner-Burke.” (paywalled link)
Having written that, he comes to the main, the important point, referring to ‘Section 38 of the 2020 Act’ – this was inserted by Sir Bill Cash who knew very well what he was doing. Sir John Redwood wrote in his Diary a few days ago that it was the insertion of that section which allowed him to vote for the WA:
“However, the position of the government in this case is strengthened by section 38 of the 2020 Act which expressly asserts the sovereignty of Parliament. This section specifically enables Parliament to introduce legislation to amend the Withdrawal Agreement.
It is therefore highly unlikely that another attempt, for example by Gina Miller in the Supreme Court, to prevent a change in the Withdrawal Agreement would succeed. The government should nevertheless be prepared for such an attempt.” (paywalled link)
Indeed so – but that and other litigation might in the end turn out to be futile, writes Mr Thorne:
“There remains the possibility of litigation in the International Court of Justice in the Hague to enforce the Withdrawal Agreement in its original form as an international treaty under the Vienna Convention, but is that really likely? The result after a number of years might be a declaration against the United Kingdom but in practice that would have limited effect and events inevitably will have moved on.” (paywalled link)
Clive Thorne concludes his article thus:
“Ultimately, this is a matter of politics with a Prime Minister backed by an 80 seat majority and with a general election over 4 years away will be able to pass the required legislation despite the strictures of his predecessor. He will no doubt have in mind the words of a former member of Parliament for South Down, a Northern Irish constituency, who memorably stated that “whatever the true interest of our country calls for is always possible. We have nothing to fear but our own doubts.” (paywalled link)
I concur, but Johnson, who is still regarding himself as some sort of Churchill successor, would also do well to remember the words of another PM from the 19th century who knew a thing or two about fear. It’s the First Duke of Wellington, who said:
‘The people of England must be governed by persons who are not afraid.’
Someone ought to tell Johnson – perhaps he might even shake off his Covid fear …
Human rights legislation. Designed first to signal virtue, secondly to add bureaucratic burden to Brit Industry and even ties down DIY, as for rules about materials and chemicals’s, and misuse, it’s astonishing we are not in Beirut
Defence,. SUPRESSION of report on English White Girl Grooming Report ( Now a long standing and bitter cover up ). And EVERY form of corruption..The Justice ( Non punishment system )
Iam glad someone mentioned The Defence Union ( Another Piece of HagMay trickery ). OUT ! right now.!
Surely the overarching fear and terror for the EU is a successful Brexit Britain being a beacon for others to follow to seek that same success outside tariff/regulatory Fortress Europe because such an event will mark the end of Empire for the EU. All Barnier and Brussels efforts are to frustrate that success. They realise this pre-emptive legislation removes a tactic they were relying on for that purpose and are very upset. Barnier’s personal ambition is to become an EU president but perhaps not one of an EU experiencing its own demise arising from a successful Brexit Britain. They have to stop that success and will seek any means, their future depends on it
Excellent article. Thank you. I like it.
I wish to reciprocate to my friend Pauline, so both thanks Pauline for her enthusiastic approval(s) and Viv for yet another in a long long line of brilliant forensic exposure articles
Clive Thorne is giving a hostage to fortune if he believes that the judicial activists on the bench of the UK Supreme Court will not strike down Boris Johnson’s bill, that aims to override some parts of the Withdrawal Treaty that limit Britain’s independence. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. And lawyers can usually find a way.
I doubt if Ursula von der Leyen & Theresa May would agree with Clive Thorne that “the EU is not a state”. As far as they are concerned the EU certainly is a state, and Britain’s attempt to secede from the EU is against the spirit, if not the letter, of EU law. (The Treaty of Rome in 1957 enjoined all parts of the project for European federation , including the Court of Justice, to work “towards the ever closer union of the European peoples”).
Not sure what you are getting at here Ralph you write “as far as they are concerned the EU is a state ”
They may consider that and try to con us ignorant supplicants that they are, but I am just reading here in answer to my query to Google
” is the EU a member state of the United Nations?”
The reply is
” the European Union (EU) has had permanent observer status at he United Nations (UN) since 1974 and has had enhanced participation rights since 2011. The EU itself does not have voting rights but it is represented alongside its 27 members, one of which, France is a permanent member of the Security Council”
To my way of thinking reference the Treaty of Rome may say Ever Closer Union, but that gives no indication that involves a straight line or gradual approach to statehood. I have often heard they have expressed a wish to proceed to this Nirvana of closer union even become some sort of Federal State of Europe, but until that can become fact they have to jump through a series of hoops, one of which is a defence Union, but there is at least one biggy remaining and that is full Fiscal Union .and to my knowledge that hasn’t happened yet and if Germany continues to have its way it won’t
I would also guess there is a rule, maybe unwritten that a treaty isn’t a treaty until all is agreed as in EU folklore, so I would suggest ” an assembly of nations cannot be regarded or practice as a legal state until all elements of the composition of a state agreed and in actuality”
The EU is pretending to be a state and some of its parts are already functioning as a state, but this should not mean it is a state, so the Supreme Court should throw any action out, The ECJ should but surely wouldn’t.t as while not part of the EU strangely most of their judgements seem to go the EU way.
However superseding all this must be that we are home and dry with clause 38 ( which I’ve never heard of before) and on top of that there is the bad faith element of the WA purpose being to agree an FTA which is not happening due to the EU trying to impose an agreement which is anything but free.
Anyway Ralph I haven’t got the comments to hand, but I seem to remember when you first raised the subject; that there were elements in the WA that meant whatever the end result deal or no deal we would still be in an In Name Only situation, unless the government followed some advice that involved parliament .
Have’nt they followed your advice?
Thanks Roger Turner. The full Fiscal Union thingy does look like being a problem for the EU doesn’t it. I wonder I wonder what is going to happen there.
They know they are in the wrong, they won’t U turn , they’ll just double down on the threats and take it to the wire. And go to No Deal by in their eyes accident and our intransigence..
They’ll probably sue us for £39 billion they will forfeit after all they will be responsible for not completing the contract, it is obvious they have had no intention of operating a “friendly” FTA perhaps not wanting to agree one at all, whatever they haven’t completed the contract, in fact I would suggest the WA is null and void.
Be interested to see what Ralph thinks, I may completely have the wrong end of the stick, airing my thoughts well above my pay grade.
Just so intent on not letting the b@rstewards get away with mayhem and murder for once in their ill gotten careers.
Well Roger, I hope that Boris repeals the Withdrawal Treaty & Political Declaration altogether, and any other agreement reached with the EU while Mrs May was Prime Minister, because her aim was to override the 23rd June 2016 Referendum result……… By the way, I believe that it’s the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) that isn’t part of the EU, the Court of Justice (ECJ) definitely is.
In his first paragraph here Clive Thorne says : “In any event, the EU is not a state and the court has no jurisdiction in disputes between it and a non-member nation state.” The court he is referring to is not named here, is it the Court of Justice of the EU?
Who really cares what Theresa May says about anything quite frankly. She was thoroughly discredited as a prime minister, and a complete waste of space. She should have retired from politics altogether last year, and her constituency association should have selected somebody else.
It was Enoch Powell, the South Down MP who said “whatever the true interest of our country calls for is always possible. We have nothing to fear but our own doubts.” Just fills a gap in the above most interesting article.
And may I say, Enoch Powell was a lovely person to talk to and now with our streets splattered with English blood, thoroughly vindicated in his prediction of our future
I got my name wrong it should read
Mike Durrans
Its these mobiles ?
Typing blind?