At the UK government Press Conference on Sunday, when asked about the influence of 5G in the spread of the coronavirus, the Medical Officer of Health, Stephen Powis, dodged the question.
His response was effectively that he was “outraged” and “disgusted” by this view that 5G could be a factor, that it was “fake news,” and it was “utter rubbish.” These views were echoed by government Minister Michael Gove who said the concerns were “dangerous nonsense.”
Is that level of response that the public can expect from a person at the top of the fight to defeat this virus? Where are the scientific and medical facts to back up his claim that this concern is “nonsense.”
This is particularly so as Stephen Powis admitted that they did not know enough about the immune system in relation to this virus, so how can he dismiss a serious concern which is based on the immune system being weakened by it?
Many people will be outraged that both he and Michael Gove failed to answer the question and that they have given the nation no reasons as to why 5G cannot influence the spread of COVID-19. They should be able to produce some full independent scientific analyses of the health effects of 5G, but this appears to somewhat lacking. How could there be, when what testing has been sporadic, short, and very much focussed on what the mobile phone companies themselves claim.
Public Health England has a statutory duty to safeguard public health in respect of Electro-Magnetic Frequencies (radiation). All they appear to have done is to measure the rates of EMF from up to fifteen test sites in the country. They claim that the levels of radiation emission were low and were, therefore, relatively safe, but that is all they seem to have done. There has been no study on the medium to long term health effects on people of the radiation emitted from the 5G antennae. If such work has been done, the public are entitled to see it. If this has not been done, then they should not have permitted the rolling out of 5G across the nation on what can only be described as flimsy research.
This is at best inadequate and at worst grossly irresponsible, potentially risking the health of an entire nation.
Many years ago, I was a Board Member of the then States owned Guernsey Telecoms. I remember the concerns expressed by some when we rolled out GSM, but back then, I felt more assured that safety concerns were not being ignored.
Now we have a different situation. Most telecom companies are global corporations, where profit is the primary motivator. Vast amounts of money are involved with this project, billions and billions across the globe. We now have a different situation, where almost simultaneously, most of the world is preparing to introduce 5G.
The facts are these: of the top fifteen countries for COVID-19 deaths, they all have 5G, or partially so, or are extensively testing it in a number of areas. This testing does not appear to cover whether 5G can disable the immune systems of humans.
Of the areas in the UK, the level of deaths is primarily in areas where there is 5G. Indeed this applies to a large number of hospitals.
In Switzerland, they have paused the rollout of 5G due to health concerns.
The reality is that 5G is being rolled out in most countries in the world without adequately testing its safety. There is an element of speculation at work.
Many of the countries which have 5G, the contracts have gone to Huawei, the Chinese mobile provider. The UK government has come under a lot of criticism from many, including its own ranks, American President Donald Trump, and many others, for risking national security by having such a contract with Huawei.
In this case, there is a potential security risk if 5G can render so many people more open to diseases because their immune systems could be compromised by using it.
Other terrible weapons such as nuclear and biological are rendered almost obsolete by this new ability to attack the immune system of people so easily.
The medical authorities in the UK seem to be not acting with care, consideration, or caution when it comes to the nation’s potential health risks with the rollout of 5G.
There have always been health concerns since the introduction of mobile phones, and even with the pre-5G mobiles, people are advised not to use them for too long and to not sleep within three feet of them. There are different levels of 5G, but essentially it is so very much more potent than what we currently have. Any searching on the issue of 5G will reveal that the power is intense.
The concern about 5G is because the thousands of masts emit radiation waves, which are said to be harmful to the body’s immune system and weaken it against attack. This is not that difficult to comprehend, bearing in mind that Naval sonar is said to kill many whales and dolphins. They can be seriously disturbed by it, as far as 25 miles away. There are many other examples of precautions from the effects of X-rays in hospitals, for example, for pregnant women.
The reality is that the COVID-19 crisis has all happened at the same time as numerous countries have rolled out 5G. It may turn out to be nothing to do with 5G, and it is just a coincidence that the coronavirus came along a few weeks after 5G outs. But we need to know.
With COVID-19, the vulnerable are most at risk, because they already have weakened immune systems. If the government is serious about defeating COVID-19, then it must immediately suspend any further use of the masts. This might mean breaking any contract with Huawei.
Have the UK government the courage to do that?
As the government have insisted that the nation has been put into lockdown to contain and defeat COVID-19, then they surely can calm a lot of fears by acting without delay on 5G concerns. If numerous businesses can be shut down, then why not the 5G transmissions?
Now is the time for the government to bring in a precautionary measure with 5G and ban its use until further notice. It is time to adopt a Switzerland type stance. They cannot dismiss 5G worries as “nonsense,” with no justification.
Anything other than the government policies are generally dismissed or called “fake news,” which is hardly helpful when the nation is struggling to find the best answers to fighting the virus.
If pausing 5G plays a significant part in defeating this threat, then it will be a lot less costly an option than continuing to shut the economy down. The nation can manage without 5G, so the government must carry out a full assessment and trial of the effects on the immune system of 5G before any use of it is permitted.
This government has asked the nation to undertake massive sacrifices; he least they can do is to take sensible precautions and stop the use of 5G.
What if it is actually true that 5G is a major contributory factor in the spread of COVID-19?
To dismiss such concerns as “nonsense,” as the UK Medical Director did, smacks of a man who is terrified that possibility would show that much of his medical advice was misguided. The phrase “he protests too much” is one that springs to mind.
Let us remember that there have been countless times when government medical advisors have got it wrong. It is not unusual to misunderstand the causes and transmissions of diseases.
There is an urgent need for there to be scrutiny of the COVID-19 policies of the authorities, rather than everyone being left in their bunkers in isolation while the generals carry on regardless of the consequences of their actions.
“Naval sonar is said to kill many whales and dolphins.”
Sonar is a sound wave. It does not feature on the electromagnetic spectrum.
“the effects of X-rays in hospitals, for example, for pregnant women. “
X rays have a wavelength of nanometres, are highly penetrative and carry a lot of energy. Millimeter radio waves are blocked by e.g. foliage. And skin. I’ve walked through the output of a Lightning radar (cm wavelength) and all it did was feel warm on a frosty morning. I can’t imagine a mast emitting very low amounts of mm wavelength radio waves will be detectable.
“The reality is that the COVID-19 crisis has all happened at the same time as numerous countries have rolled out 5G. It may turn out to be nothing to do with 5G, and it is just a coincidence that the coronavirus came along a few weeks after 5G outs. But we need to know.”
Post hoc ergo propter hoc is frowned on as scientific reasoning. Let me give you an example. 5G is rolled out. CV19 appears shortly afterwards. Chinese engineers installed the 5G system. They brought the virus with them from China. Is this true? I don’t know, but it’s more likely than abandoning physics.
“With COVID-19, the vulnerable are most at risk, because they already have weakened immune systems. If the government is serious about defeating COVID-19, then it must immediately suspend any further use of the masts. “
There must be a name for this sort of error. Is it non sequitur? The leap from CV19 to 5G is made on the assumption that the two are connected with nothing but an assertion to connect them.
I do not wish to be impolite, but I’ve seen this sort of thing all my life: new technology, new fears, then people get used to it and we go on to something else. There could be some sort of health hazard from sub-millimetre radiation, but it’s not an ionising hazard so it’s very unlikely. To compromise I suggest that all users of the technology be preceded by a man carrying a red flag. The Chinese will like that.
Anyone who is still not reassured should ask Greta Thunberg. No doubt she can see the frequencies involved. Or study the clouds. 5G is apparently changing cloud formations to make long roll shapes. And my carrots haven’t germinated…
JF
Mister Paul 5a advised “Whatever China supplies ANYWHERE, ANYTIME should be viewed as a Trojan Horse”
Is Chinese tea safe? Is it being used to spread the virus like 5G transmissions from Huawei?
Should we stop drinking it and stick to Indian and Ceylon tea?
Barry, if it isn’t safe I’m in trouble. There’s a black fermented tea from the Lincang region in China which is made into bricks hard enough to stun an Old Etonian. It was used by travellers to get them across the Himalayas.
I drink it every day, black as sin, smooth as a Kardashian’s decolletage.
JF
I get fed up with people who won’t tolerate any discussion or examination of things they regard as “conspiracy theories” or “fake ” news. Some things labelled conspiracy theories contain truths which need examining, but according to these people it must be shoved under the carpet and never talked about.
There are gullible people everywhere.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/07/how-false-claims-about-5g-health-risks-spread-into-the-mainstream
Whatever one believes it must be important that other people’s opinions are respected. To call show intolerance to legitimate questions is surely a mark of guilt. Not only guilt of an inability to deal with the stress of a difficult question whether that is because of a ‘bad day at the office’, matrimonial problems, or even an upset stomach, but also guilt of being found out as not knowing ones subject well enough to answer an honest question. Then there is the guilt of trying to hide something that should be have been researched properly but wasn’t. Then there is the guilt of trying to hide something that is illegal or counter to one’s remit or knowingly harmful to others.
I would suggest that Michael Gove and Professor Powis both fall into one or more of these categories and immediately discredit themselves of being worthy of their positions in front of those reporters. Yet another example of unearned respect.
This sort of behaviour will just not do in the 21st century.
Also I am sorry to say that same peculiar and perverse behaviour is present here, where name calling, sneering and smearing is not helpful to any civilised debate. Perhaps all the learned people who have had the courage to speak out about EMFs are also ‘just stupid!’
I’m not a tech informed person, but I do take note of what I have seen. – Many years ago I was with a techy mate close to the Daventry masts, which might not even exist today, and my mate took out of his car a strip-light tube without fittings, and held it up. – The darned thing lit up in his hand, and he explained to me about the radio wave power emitted from the Daventry masts ! ….. My mobile service supplier replaced my old mobile with a Huawei with a whole lot of services that I will probably never use, but then I tend to use my land line anyway !
What is really worrying is that they are using the lockdown to put up 5G masts whilst people are under house arrest! How can this be called ‘essential’ work!
Also any videos on Youtube are being banned if they mention a link between ‘Covid-19’ and 5G. If anyone wants to watch David Icke’s videos that have been removed (I have just seen them and they are excellent!) including the latest London Real one, they are on his website at http://www.davidicke.com
It’s fact free fake news like this which makes Independence Daily looks stupid.
This belongs on David Icke’s swivel eyed loon site, not here.
Fact free?
Swiss pause roll out of 5G
https://www.ft.com/content/848c5b44-4d7a-11ea-95a0-43d18ec715f5
Mike as I see it 5G is just new infrastructure which will make new things possible, create new jobs and improve our lives. it is useful having this discussion here. I personally think this push to link the CCP virus to 5G gives the likes of YouTube the excuse to ban all 5G videos including the ones aimed at trying to stop Huawei (Communist China) controlling/having access to the UK 5G network.
As an electrical engineer I’ve had my brain subjected to all kinds of electric and magnetic fields, some wavy some not all my working life and I can assure you that unlike most people I’m completely normal!
Whatever China supplies ANYWHERE, ANYTIME should be viewed as a Trojan Horse……..until proven otherwise.
Personally If I don’t trust a Chinese face-mask ( MANY of which have been proven to be USELESS and returned by many countries) why should I trust the Chinese with a product which MANY PEOPLE WORLDWIDE have grave doubts about for the future of the world?
M.S. Open your mind and allow other opinions – however bizzare YOU find them…….they eventually proved that the world wasn’t flat, I THINK?
We need to governed by facts not rumour. I too was an electrical engineer. We are all subjected to radiation from the sun, the stars, past nuclear weapon tests, radioactive gases leaking from the ground, fluorescent lights, TVs, the HV distribution system, broadcast radio and TV signals, even the electrical wiring in our homes.
The miniscule radiation associated with mobile phones is trivial compared with our universal background radiation .
I see the author of this piece is not a technical person but a politician, ergo one can only assume this drivel is put about to gain fame and notoriety.
Those non-technical people who decades ago raised fears about the links of serious illnesses with blue asbestos, high voltage cable lines, vacination of American and British soldiers in Iraq and some industrial particles to name but a few were igonorantly classed as rumour mongers too.
Is 5G so desperately needed that we cannot undertake further testing to ensure of its safety?
But there are still people about still believe the Earth to be flat.
It’s a religion/belief system that requires no proof to the deranged followers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_flat_Earth_societies
I do have concerns but I think it highly unlikely that people’s fears regarding 5G affecting their health are justified although I haven’t gone into it. However I do know that in experiments to see if people’s brains were affected by a mobile phone signal a number of people were tested (one at a time) to see if they could tell (as many of them claimed they would be able to) whether the mobile phone signal that was passing through the screened room they were sitting in as well as their head was on or off. Not one of them could. (My daughter, who is a psychologist, conducted the tests.)
My concern is what they are planning to do with it. For example, are we to find ourselves in driverless cars which at some point could lock you in and take you to the citizen’s happiness and wellbeing centre against your will to ensure your personal safety because it heard you speak unkindly about the dear leader?
The very fact that they seem hell-bent on involving the CCP in 5G to my mind immediately makes me wonder what else they’d be using the capabilities for. With regards to Huawei, just to be clear, a socialist/communist, who is also an open boarders globalist, is left wing. If one of these charming people who, in addition to all of this, also loves his country (is a nationalist) he is right wing. Like Mussolini and good old Adolf. Remember them? Command economy, all companies directly controlled by the state.
Anyone who thinks doing business with Huawei because it’s ‘just another company’ is all fine and dandy hasn’t been paying attention.
The Fourth Reich with Chinese characteristics.
On the other hand 5 G could make flying cars possible. To see how this might be necessary just imagine controlling rush-hour traffic in the sky with people piloting their own cars! (Obviously we’d first need to do away with grotty little Gretta and her climate crap to make that idea fly).
Thanks for the excellent article. I am relieved that the dangers of 5G are beginning to be more widely discussed. Personally I don’t even use wifi in my house – I use ethernet all the time, and speak on my landline when I can – and I will be using anti-EMF paints/curtains/window film to EMF-proof the house I am moving to. We have to take responsibility for protecting ourselves and our families, as the government is only interested in a mad dash to a ‘smart’ future.
What concerns me is the level of discussion being held within bonafide engineers and telecommunications experts who are not being consulted by governments. It seems there is a trade deal to be had at any cost and yet again Government thinks only of money rather than the wider consequences of bringing in untested equipment from a communist country.
The fact that we have been slow to create our own systems is due to the sclerotic bureaucracy and distasteful snobbery towards private entrepreneurs who have probably done far more research. We all understand that any really innovative technology worries most people, but the depth of the concern is surely a barometer for government to take stock and listen.
I am in agreement with everything in this article and its comments.
This is a big big big subject and it is perhaps unfair to expect any sort of response from obscenely ignorant Politics.
However I would like to make a few examples to show the real proble m
Electro magnetic radiation is a spread of frequencies which includes light waves , sunlight, microwaves, frequency drilling, radio waves, Innra-red, 1,2,3,4,and 5G, and X Rays, Radiant Heat, . To name a few.
In the 1950 s I remember the manufacturing and design of waveguidery. I never looked for its usefulness. Odd looking stuff.
Not only can these themselves be risky and deadly. Our modern society seems to promote conformity and mob ( follower) thinking of consensus. Unintended consequences and ridiculous outcomes are therefore everywhere. and the concealment of the unhelpful as a result.to be desired.
Throughout history , probably since Ozymandayos (?) Committees are the answer ( or Forums ar whatever ) for gathering information. and recommendations and making obvious calculations. Their usefulness ends there of course.[ just like Indian Chiefs sitting aroun smoking in a teepee.] but they sometimes. prevent the more obvious mistakes. But please never give power.( Authority )
Lessons to be learned. Well there are allsorts, Never trust an executive committee ( PHE ) Big Business is a Socialist slogan.It is only really bad because it learns lots of bad ideas on its growth to BIG…Politics is by its nature a school .and forcing chamber for bad ideas .
Electro magnetic radiation is as important as CO2 and a bloody sight more .dangerous.
Swiss cancel roll-out of 5G. Very sensible. The Swiss may be secretive about their banking industry but the Swiss openly engage and consult with their people on all important issues. Whereas the British elites have sought to dumb down the people the Swiss seem to engage in informing their people of all the available facts and then actually trust their people to make the right decisions (Direct democracy).
I think it is just a coincidence as overall mortality rates are well within normal bands still. People are dying of Covid19 rather than flu or at least medics are recording it as such. The compromised immune systems largely belong to those of the very aged or with serious comorbidities as expected. The nulmers of young or with no UHC who have died or become seriously ill is not yet exceptional when compared to flu.
I do strongly agree that 5G rollout is premature and far too little attention has been paid to the quite legitimate health concerns. I personally still use an old skool landline instead of DECT Cordless phones and always use a headset when on a call on a mobile. WiFi is so convenient however I have succumbed to using it in the house. No ill effects so far but when 5G comes out I will be very wary. I have also refused all offers to install a smart meter.
MWT I too resolutely resist smart meters and only use a landline phone.
Now I don’t know how relevant this is; I’m not a “techie; ” but I received a new smart hub from BT introducing fibre broadband. I put it aside and didn’t bother to install it as my existing hub works fine. But I read somewhere that the rollout of 5G needs “lots of fibre.” Are BT simply offering a better faster service, or would we be facilitating the 5G rollout by complying and succumbing to pressure to have fibre broadband?
If it’s just a Hub 3.0 install away. It’s better coverage wise. As you still have copper wire (ADSL) that’s all it will use which is plenty for most people’s use. They can’t force you to use fibre if you don’t want it but fibre itself is fine as it is not wireless so not 5G which is WiFi. 5G is for your mobile devices outside the house. Danger is when they switch off wired broadband so the only option is 5G.
MWT many thanks
4 or 5 weeks ago I made a flippant joke on these pages about C19 being caused by Smart meters and 5G.
Now look what I did.
MWT. I also, have refused a smart meter. After reading various reports that (for me) debunked the myths that are fed to the public about their efficacy I took fright! In fact I am in process of switching supplier away from NPower (after being a customer for ten years) because they refused to allow me to adopt any of their fixed term tariffs after mine ended on 31st March unless I agreed to have a smart meter. The provider I am moving to makes no such stipulation and is cheaper into the bargain!
Now this business of 5G makes me wonder whether I shouldn’t go back to switching off my wireless router when I am not actually using it!!! I do have data on my mobile for “keeping in touch” use. Technology is fine but it seems to be more of a threat than a friend to mankind these days.
Excellent article Anthony which highlights the concerns of many of us. One might consider the health / survival of the population at large is not a prime objective of a government in hock to the globalists.
I n hock to the globalists you say .i wonder how in hock to the Chinese we actually are.
Could there be any secret treaties or accords which actually bind us rather than just being great mates willing to roll over and have our tummies tickled and have our guts painlessly eviscerated at the same time.
it is very evident we know loads to our disadvantage about them , but we seem singularly unwilling to call them out.
WHY oh why /