Abraham Lincoln
With the Brexit deadline approaching and no agreement in sight between Britain and the EU the likelihood of an abrupt end to negotiations and a so called ‘no-deal’ Brexit on October 31st seems more than likely.
But what happens after that ?
That the Brexit debate has polarised Britain into two tribes irrespective of party political allegiances is undeniable but the desire to Leave or Remain is not geographically uniform. We are not politically homogeneous. It is undeniable for example that Northern Ireland, Scotland and Gibraltar emphatically declared their desire to Remain in the EU.
The United Kingdom as a whole has indicated a clear desire to Leave through the unchallenged legitimacy of the ballot box. The mandate given by the people to Parliament must be followed through.
All very simple? Not at all. We should remember that for the wasted years post-Referendum, the failure of Parliament to deliver the result, whether by design or incompetence, has bolstered the resolve of political factions like the Scottish Nationalists who will continue to demand recognition of their own special arguments regardless.
It is of no benefit to Leavers pooh-poohing the perceived legitimacy of a large minority of Scots to be regarded as ‘ independent of Westminster but governed by the EU’ on the basis that ‘we are all in the UK’ because it is simply a fact that many Scots vehemently disagree with the Leave majority and disregard anything else.
Consider also the realpolitik regarding the relationship between the Republic of Ireland and NI and the fragile Good Friday Agreement which has near-universal consensus and is vital to peace on the island of Ireland.
Traditional rules of the game regarding the brutality of FPTP politics have been permanently disrupted by the Brexit debate. Never before in British history has the result of an election, be it advisory or not, been so cynically ignored by a sitting Parliament. We can all cite statistics and that both major parties promised in the 2017 election to deliver Brexit without delays, but who foresaw that the unintended consequence of this was to encourage every protest group and ambitious MPs of dubious loyalties to come to the conclusion that consensus politics has had it day and that it is those who shout loudest get the last word? That is a perverse disruption to British democracy and to our sense of fair play and must never be allowed to prevail.
Brexit has acted as an unwelcome catalyst, raising spectres thought to be, if not exorcised, then at least under control but today quite deluded anti-Semitic, anti-Islamic and anti-democratic tropes are attracting more and more attention and airtime.
Extreme nationalism disguised as patriotism and extreme Marxism in the guise of diversity and progress have all combined in a witches’ brew to befuddle the gullible and pollute this most tolerant of democratic nations. Beware always mischief from state actors who do not have Britain’s best interests at heart!
Worrying numbers of our people are becoming stressed and frightened by what might be their lot in the near future. Friendships and relationships are being smashed on the unyielding anvil of Brexit. Our youth are being exploited by sinister groups, such as Extinction Rebellion, who with contrived, politically motivated and twisted logic, link Brexit and parliamentary democracy with impending ecological disaster. Unable or unwilling to tackle such nonsense head on and scared of ‘optics’ and scared of social media commentators, broadcasters and personalities, our paralysed administration lets them bring parts of our capital to a grinding halt.
That is the situation today. But what about tomorrow? What do we do tomorrow when victory comes?
A similar situation faced Abraham Lincoln after the surrender of the South in the American Civil War. The South was defeated decisively, its infrastructure utterly destroyed and its slave–dependent economy in tatters. With that came, in many Southerners’ minds, dismay that their way of life was gone forever. Lincoln understood the terrifying prospect of a permanently divided nation and after recognising that nothing like this situation had ever been experienced before, grasped the situation and acted decisively.
In what was to be his final speech before being assassinated Lincoln used, six times, the phrase “proper practical relation” to describe what needed to be done. The argument over whether the rebellious states were in or out of the Union was “a pernicious abstraction,” he argued – convincingly.
On November 1st we shall be out of the EU, and further parliamentary dialogue must be curtailed. For that is ‘pernicious abstraction’ defined. That Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar have a different idea as to what Leave means does not legitimise special measures that threaten the United Kingdom as a whole.
We must engage with the 16.8 million who did not vote Leave, or we will not just be inviting trouble, we will collectively be guilty of failure. Without unifying, or at the very least seeking an accommodation with our fellow Britons, we are hardly well placed to maintain a healthy but independent relationship with our friends in Europe in the immediate future.
The Remainers might take a long time to understand that the status quo is going to change, but change it will. The Leavers have a duty not to gloat.
For Britain to make something out of our long fought for emancipation from the EU and to make economic and social progress out of this un-edifying period of conflict, we have to make compromises and accommodations for those who might feel disappointed and defeated now but who must be brought back into the fold in the very near future as part of a great and United Kingdom.
We remain a community of people with individual ideas, cultures and ambitions who stick together for the common good and gaze with ever growing confidence into a bright new future for all.
That will be our real prize, when victory comes.
I think there is terror around the world among any who live off a state. In other words, those in power or position of any kind. and get to spend taxes.. All of whom understand that this is undeserved, and could stop. Singapore and Hong Kong both terrify them and they fear Brexit for this reason above all.
Almost everybody of wealth or position lives off taxes or low level corruption in some form,( Revolving door or nepotism or old school tie. Thing is, it’s possbly as good a practical system as any. )
Excellent Mr. Bav. I do wonder how many of the remain voters either believed the lies (e.g. Cameron’s “Leaflet of Lies”) and browbeaten, or were simply too busy (or idle) to delve into the facts about the EU and its clear direction. Education is required on many fronts but one cannot communicate to those with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed. Nevertheless there must surely be some who regret their remain vote in the light of better knowledge.
Thank you Mr Bav. I’m glad you are so confident of 31/10. I agree that Boris will be toast if he doesn’t pull it off. I am probably NOT a compromising person. Have been accused in past of seeing things in black and white – but do see your point about the Scots.
Boris has to pull it off. It has to be so called no deal. Any ‘Agreement’ would be BRINO. And he seems confident he does not need the Brexit Party. So how on earth is he going to do it?
A closer analogy would be Henry VIII leaving the Roman Catholic church.
There will be no friendly relations with the EUSSR when we leave.
They will continue to harass and sabotage us after we leave.
They can’t afford a successful UK after we leave or more countries will be tempted to follow.
There will be Quislings/MSM in the UK trying to make “Project Fear” a reality (and trumpeting “told You so!”).
Stories and lies will be invented.
They will never rest until they get us back in (at vast financial penalty.)
Interesting read here:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_European_Union
Who on earth believes that we will actually leave on October 31st? 450 remainer MPs will thwart this one way or another. Boris thinks that he will win a majority in the next election because 78% of leave voters think that a failure to leave will not be his fault. If he gets back in then we will leave with a Brexit In Name Only (BRINCO). We will need another campaign over the next five years to start this process all over again. Get Ready!
“Compromise” is a word that will be repeatedly invoked to suck us back in even though we have (probably partially, leaving our military and chunks of our civilian security operations behind in EU Defence Union) “left”. I for one would gladly compromise with fair-minded patriots, but “compromise” with out-and-out globalists, especially British ones, will be a one-way ticket back in.
There will be no abrogation of authority to the EU regarding control of the military or the security services with a no-deal Brexit. Do not believe in Project Fear or all you read in the press. Once we are out we are out. But of course we will still co-operate, as we have always done, even before joining the EC with allies such as France and Germany
In fact the EU and, lets be realistic, they are still our NATO allies, rely very heavily on UK defences and expenditure as hardly any EU country invests as much as we do.
That gives us hefty negotiating power after October 31st, the day we leave the EU.
Keep your chin up Jim ! We are going to win !
In the House last week the PM was asked whether, if we leave without a deal on 31 st October, there
would be any adverse effect on any UK-European defence collaboration especially in the fields of
procurement, manufacturing, and wider operations? He replied that we are proceeding with huge
collaborations across the front with our European friends and he had no reason to believe that any
of them would be interrupted.
“European friends ” or our traditional enemy across the Channel? Boris needs to open his mind and consider what the behaviour of the EU means. Giving up our armed forces to them is madness; we must pray for mutiny.
Can there be such a thing as extreme patriotism. Am I guilty by supporting UKIP or by being willing to join the army? or am i guilty by not being a lefty.?
Here’s how I see it.
Patriotism is not a dirty word. You can be a patriot by being a member of most political parties that support our right to self-determination through the ballot box. Parties, and I cite the Lib/Dems that propose ignoring the 2016 vote had better take a period of self -reflection, for a few years , once annihilated in the polls (probably later this year) if they have a hope of gaining any influence in politics through the 2020’s. No party can duck the authority of the ballot box.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong in being of the left or of the right so long as your policies fall broadly within the parameters of reason that can be debated within Parliament and consensus reached enabling efficient government. The disruption we have now does not fall into those parameters and is in my view, illegitimate. Bercow’s interference is illegitimate, the Tory rebels and party-swappers are illegitimate, having dodged the voting intent of their constituents.
The Scots we have to be careful about. IF the SNP achieve a landslide in the next election then I’m afraid we will have to allow them another Independence Referendum. If they win, they must go, and if they lose, they must never be allowed to interfere with the legitimacy of a UK totally independent of Europe. They are to be considered, but are not a special case. But if they do not score very well at the next election, the Government must use its powers to stop further seditionary troublemakers interfering with the will of the people of the UK as a whole.
That is why we need a hard Brexit and a strong majority for the next Brexit government
As a Scot, let me tell you how we relate to the EU up here. There is no great love for the EU, more an understandable detestation of Westminster. At the next election I’ll be standing as an independent on the platform “Yes to Independence; Screw the EU”, offering an option to the ca. 25% of SNP voters who are EU-sceptic.
Independence won’t come anyway, largely due to the SNP’s patent and growing incompetence. The latest example: Glasgow’s Provost (a bit like Lord Mayor), Eva Bolander, also an SNP councillor, has felt it necessary to apologise after claiming 8K in expenses on shopping, including 23 pairs of shoes and 751 quid for haircuts !
Despite their strident calls for a 2nd referendum, the very last thing the SNP leadership wants is one; a bit like Corbyn and Co.
Scotland voted 38% to Leave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#Scotland
More support for you than you think.
The English feel the same about Westminster.. Can we join.
Fair comment Mr Bav.
Two things. Referring to your comment about the Good Friday agreement having “near universal consensus”, I feel this is an exaggeration. I believe many Unionists feel rail roaded.
Secondly, whilst your analogy with the American Civil War is a good one, we are today still trying to defeat those who want to defeat the democratic will of The People, and these opponents are amongst the 16.8 million on the losing side. These people, with the Speaker of the House no less, leading them, are in open rebellion against the majority. This man TODAY is openly conspiring with a foreign ruler. This is Treason under the 1848 Treason Felony Act is it not. TODAY the priority should be asking The Sargent At Arms of the House of Commons Mr Chris Rust to arrest this man.
One thing at a time Mr Bav.
Morning Jeff !
Thanks for your comments.
The actual referendum stats were telling . The result was a majority (71.1%) in favour in NI. A simultaneous referendum held in the Republic of Ireland produced an even larger majority (94.4%) in favour.
Yes there will be people who will be upset, but the Good Friday Agreement has resulted in successfully ( a few exceptions ) halting the Troubles. I doubt if there are many who would return to the pre GFA days. Whatever we think of Blair, this was a success.
Whoa betide any politician who threatens that mandate.
I think we are very close to defeating those who want to defeat the democratic will of the people and agree entirely with you that the Speaker is a disgrace to both his position and guilty of conspiring with Brussels . He is not however committing a crime. Annoying though that is. The 1848 Act remains on the statute books specifically to protect the Crown.
Once there is a new government with a serious majority I am pretty sure measures will be taken both to check the abuse of Speakers powers and the nonsense that is the Fixed Term Parliament Act. In the meantime we’ll just have to be happy that Bercow leaves on Brexit Day.
And there will be a Brexit Day on 1st November, as both the Tory Party and BoJo know they are finished otherwise and all hell will break loose on the streets if our will is defied.
K