A symbol of western civilisation: no longer worth fighting for, after 9/11?
Twenty years today the unthinkable happened: a terrorist attack on the Twin Towers in New York. After twenty years, with the images burned into the memories of those who were adults at that time, it’s worthwhile to look back at words and interpretations of the opinion makers at that time. These, unlike those images, have had long-lasting and more dire results than the retaliatory military actions against Afghanistan.
The ignominious flight from that country by the end of last month is not an endpoint. However, we ought never to forget that the current US President wanted to abuse this date, 9/11, for a ‘photo op’, a press conference, to show the world that the USA and their president had drawn a line under what his PR spinners had called the ‘forever war’. He wanted to commemorate 9/11 by announcing that all Americans and all her allies had left Afghanistan simply in order to make himself look good. Well, it didn’t work out as planned, did it. I wonder what the opinion makers will say in twenty year’s time when they look back on today, on the after-effects of the withdrawal.
However, looking back on 9/11 2001, one can discern the early shoots leading to today’s woke climate. The dust, the ruins hadn’t even settled before we already heard the first self-accusations, the questions of ‘what have we done to deserve this’ – the ‘we’ being all of us in the Western, non-islamic world. It seemed inconceivable to acknowledge that yes, certain segments of the world’s population did indeed hate us and still do.
I suggest, looking back, that many of the ensuing actions, even the military ones, were hugely influenced by this desire not to be hated. Already, when the second war on Iraq kicked off the following year, the official aim declared by the Allies was to remove dictators and establish western-style democracies rather than just fight islamic terrorism.
The first green shoots of that pernicious growth, ‘human rights’ as re-defined by ‘progressive’, socialist ideologues, started to grow. But still we were told at the time, by none other than the then President of the USA, that the fight wasn’t against peaceful islam but only against bad ‘islamists’ who had perverted their religion.
This harmful definition is still with us. The results can be seen to the present day in our towns and cities. I don’t need to mention the scandal of grooming gangs which weren’t tackled by the police thanks to the seeds of ‘not all muslims’, ‘human rights’ and ‘diversity’ and ‘community cohesion’ …
We can draw a straight line from 9/11 and the ensuing claim by our political leaders, to ‘build western democracies’, to the changes in our society. Take the other attempts to ‘westernise’ islamic states, from toppling the Libyan dictator Gaddhafi to the ‘Arab Spring’ which was officially aimed at getting rid of ‘strong men’ in the Near East. These attempts culminated in the ‘refugee crisis’, in Madame Merkel’s ‘all are welcome’ in 2015. We are still living with those after-effects.
Moreover, the ensuing waves of ‘poor refugees’, fleeing not for political but for economic reasons from sub-saharan Africa was now no longer stopped by that Libyan ‘strong man’. This was fuel to the UN declaration which in essence declared that migration for economic reasons is ‘a human right’.
Now sanctioned by the UN, this ongoing migration to our shores is still with us as the daily reports document only too well, shown in the numbers of ‘refugees’, i.e. illegal migrants, being shepherded to our shores. This is a result of 9/11, it is a result of the actions taken 20 years ago.
There is one other result the seeds of which grew in the soil ploughed by the fall of the Twin Towers: the destruction of our society. The most far-reaching twin effects are, one, the attempts of ‘making us safe’ in the wake of the various terrorist acts and two, the creeping, growing destruction of Free Speech – in the name of ‘human rights’ which always seem to apply to others, not to us.
Surely, after twenty years, we can ask why it is that the ‘human rights’ of grooming gang criminals are to be observed but not those of their victims. Surely we can ask why terrorists known to the security services are permitted to live amongst us but aren’t deported. Surely we can ask if police time is in fact being wasted on investigating ‘hate speech’, often based on utterances in antisocial media.
Surely we ought to be able to ask why it is that one community is seemingly untouchable, why no feminist dares to mention the way women are treated in the religion which we mustn’t name. Surely we ought to be permitted to ask why it is that ‘the authorities’ still haven’t come to grips with child marriage, with school girls raised here being flown across the globe, undergoing forced marriage so that their ‘husband’ can gain entry into our country. Surely we ought ask aloud why all the latest wokery about ‘slavery’, even unto the toppling of our statues, is so blatantly disregarding the ‘history of slavery’ in the Arab countries where slavery is still ongoing.
The seeds for the self-destruction of our Western Society were sown in the dust of the Twin Towers 20 years ago. But even today, the ‘great and good’ are indulging in finding ‘lessons’ which “we” should have learned and didn’t. The same cultural and political elites who started to look to the ‘guilt’ created by our Western Society are again proclaiming that somehow “we” are at fault, today as much as we were twenty years ago.
No, I say! The only fault, the only guilt I find is that we, the despised peasants, have let ourselves be bamboozled by those ‘progressive’, ‘human rights’ ideologues in politics and media; that we didn’t dare to ask questions about the one culprit, the one community where those thoughts of terrorism grew and still bear bloody fruit – for twenty long years.
This is the actual ‘forever war’: the war of our civilisation, attacked on all sides by left-wing ideologies, by non-christian religious fanaticism, by ‘human rights’ proponents who disregard our own human rights and who are now strangling us by hate speech legislation and, worse, by the two-decades long brainwashing of our children.
That’s what we should remember on this day. It’s surely still worth defending, still worth fighting for!
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I am sir Bryan., as bold as a lion.
” Take that and take that and take that ”
There you are, You’re part of the empire now.. Up to that line on the desert on this map of mine.You can’t say fairer than that..Hurrah
TG Spokes……Sir Bryan, who’s he when he’s at home? Whoever he is gets three mentions in your post, so he must be important to you. Lord,love-a-duck, I don’t know…
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” oh you mean the grand slam of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghan, Oh yes I’ve always been a winner “.
TG Spokes……….and well done for not blaming this country’s ills upon UKIP today as you have done on previous days.
You make a great case for executing all those who practice the deviant Islamic religion. Let the Holy Wars commence!
Off topic sorry. The Daily Sceptic is particularly good today. In case anyone does not get it automatically.
Sorry. I meant BLACKROCK. https://odysee.com/@MarkCollett:6/20210701—BlackRock—the-Concentration-of-Wealth:9
The head of the serpent was and remains Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Saddam,, Assad and Gadaffi were doing good jobs and should have been left alone.
Some countries need a strong man to run them.
Yes. Mainly I agree with you Viv, wholeheartily.
One bit of virtue signally that makes me furious is the idea that ‘we’ have the right to impose our ‘western style democracies’ on other nations.
Obviously we don’t and it is hardly surprising if other nations find more subtle means to impose their ways on us.
“The seeds for the self-destruction of our Western Society were sown in the dust of the Twin Towers 20 years ago.”
Much further back than that, Viv. In my lifetime I’ve heard and seen “Gott mit uns” in some quarter and, equally, the motto under which the British army went to war in 1914: For God, King and Country. Before that, the Crusades?
Each and every one of those calls to action are based on the idea of “I’m right, you are wrong.” IMHO THAT is the seed of our destruction.
Islam was the enemy, still is the enemy and will continue to be the enemy whilst there is a significant presence of its followers in our country. Wherever there are Muslims in a non Muslim country they cause trouble. Even in a solidly Muslim country they fight amongst their various factions.
True enough Jack they fight among themselves. E.g. Iraq. No excuse for us to interfere, or the US.
And apparently the US didn’t fully succeed in their real aim – to grab the oil.
“The religion which we mustn’t name…………..”
Well! leave me out of the collective ‘we’, I call them out with my limited knowledge of the whole cacophony of their infamy and time and time again I have referred to a Sunday night BBC radio program “file on 4” some years ago but shortly after the Rotherham exposure, where the reporter investigated what life was like amongst the Muslim female population in that area.
She found the bestiality being meted out to the underage “sex slave girls” was only an extension of ‘normality’ in ‘some Muslim homes’ of course all Muslim women are regarded as second class citizens, divorce laws are slanted, arranged marriages and overseas weddings are normal and ostralisation of women and girls who step outside the bonds of Muslim law and custom is endemic..
However, the reporter also itemised other ‘near normal’ among some practices, where young girls in a family appeared to be fair game for abuse from other male family members including fathers, brothers, cousins, uncles and perhaps friends of those here mentioned, sort of ‘distant relatives ‘ I suppose.
Oh! and I must mention the odd “doing away with altogether” An advance form of ostralisation?
Of course the above doesn’t apply to the whole Muslim community, I’m sure there are many who believe they practice a “religion of peace” and while it preaches practices, laws and customs maybe inimical to the country they have favoured with their settlement (diversity and good for the economy and such) they can even tut tut a little at the actions overt terrorists and gangsters in their midst, but they make little or no effort to eradicate them from society.
………..and at the end of the day are fully prepared to take advantage of the “advancement” of their ideology.
Please note.
These are the views of a man from the boundary, I have little knowledge or understanding of the Quran or other Islamic book teachings, but I am sure there are experts who can put chapter and verse to some of my points.
Again Viv I am enthralled by your brilliant summation of cause and effect of 9/11, I watched on live television a sight engraved on my memory of an aircraft flying into the second tower, appearing to be absorbed and not re-appearing.
I immediately felt “now the gloves are off” and that we were as much affected as America and that agreed with Our country standing “all square” with the USA and that we should support them in any retaliatory way they devised.
Not sure it was the elimination of Gadaffi and Sadam Hussain, but surely some sort of overt “early ” action/gesture had to be made and it couldn’t have happened to more suited people, pity Islam subsequently played it as their whole Empire was to be eliminated.
Roger Turner. I wholeheartedly agree with your comments about Islam in BRITAIN. I want ALL Islamic practices totally eradicated from my country. And no more of ‘those people’ let in.
But you must admit Muslim countries have the same right to object to Western countries imposing their values on Islamic countries.
Incidentally. A.M.W., Tommy Robinson and Gerard Batten were right and it was tragic that their words and deeds were used by Ukip’s enemies to discredit the party.
“…the ensuing actions, even the military ones, were hugely influenced by this desire not to be hated…” Ironically they made us more hated than ever, didn’t they !
I’m not so sure this desire motivated the politicians and their cronies. More like, they dressed up their real self -interested reasons with spin that they thought would appeal to voters; indeed it did appeal to the more naive leftie woke voters.
But the rest of us of us saw these lies and spin.
And the spin continues mary. Boris rushing to congratulate Biden on his presidency because of the special relationship and today’s threatened, sickmaking guff from Chequers.
The so called ‘special relationship’ only existed in the minds of certain politicians including our present not so great leader. The Americans have never done this country any favours, its as well to remember this. They entered both WW1 and WW2 late in the day and only did so because in the latter case they were attacked by a member of the Axis powers. We need to treat the USA the same as any other foreign country with a degree of scepticism.
“I wonder what the opinion makers will say in twenty year’s time when they look back on today.”
Well unless enough people wake up there will be no opinion makers in twenty years time; the residual world population will be chipped sheep living in poverty.
Just look at that manic Dan Andrews’ Victoria where you cannot even remove your mask outdoors to have a drink, and where they are saying don’t talk to your friends, or Berejiklian’s Queensland where they are building concentration, sorry, quarantine camps for the untermensch.
Either they are jumping at their own shadows, in utter ignorance, or they are fully aware that there is no threat to the vast majority of people – and are criminally ignoring cheap and proven prophilactics for the vulnerable and curative treatments if you do become seriously ill – and they are revelling in their power and jumping the gun, giving away the plans for us all in this new world order.
Interesting and perceptive read Viv.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for s/he is known and carries his/her banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his/her sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; s/he speaks in accents familiar to his/her victims, and s/he wears their face and their arguments, s/he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men (and women). S/He rots the soul of a nation, s/he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, s/he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
As in ancient Rome it is fruitless looking to the political, religious, academic and corporate establishment to find the courage to remedy the issue at hand it is the people themselves that need to find some collective courage to reject the establishment as currently constituted.
Quite so.
Thank you for a rational analysis and part untangling of the web of deceit. Certainly for me, it is a truly daunting task trying to get my head around the events over the last twenty years. Recalibrating one’s understanding seems to be an ongoing and accelerating activity.
Now the biggest and most unbelievable conspiracy theory is that the Government, the judiciary and police, the medical industry and the education industry is in any way aligned to truth or the needs and thinking of common people.
I found this talk by Robert F Kennedy Jnr. Interesting. I couldn’t find it on his own site http://www.childrenshealthdefence.org but you can see it on this link.
https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/5578-world-vaccination-michael-matt-on-the-kennedy-connection
Now I am actually coming around to the theory that the destruction of the Twin Towers could have been orchestrated by the Military Industrial Complex.
Especially as there is clearly a complete disregard for society and human life as shown with the policies imposed on people around the world with the present Plandemic.
I would respectfully suggest that all those theories about ‘what really happened’ on 9/11 and ‘who are the real culprits’ are a very nice exercise in deflecting people from mentioning that huge elephant in the room. After all, why mention islam and islamic terrorists and actually think about how to fight that ideology when one can waste time on talking about ‘real’ conspiracies created by some ‘complex’, some ultra-secret service and all that jazz.
Let’s not forget that by following those rumours we blow up such ‘complexes’ so that they look to be invincible, like something we mere plebs can do nothing about. How much time and effort has been wasted on those ‘theories’.
Oh – perhaps we should ask in whose interest it is to keep such ‘theories’ alive, on the web and in the meejah … perhaps those who would we rather not mention said huge elephant in the corner?
My own view is that it’s a question of “Choose your elephant” – is it the religion “whose name we dare not speak”, or the globalist Cabal whose existence must be denied (yet which my money says will be shown to be behind almost everything from 9/11 and other false flags to the unending global policy of unrestricted immigration, especially of those of incompatible religious belief? Maybe we should consider that the Islamists themselves are simply pawns in the great game now rapidly unfolding. Who is the real enemy here?
Agreed Jim. In my opinion everything is linked – from 9/11 (which I believe was a ‘false flag’ operation) to unrestricted immigration to the EU to our current scamdemic. The end aim is the destruction of all national sovereignty and installation of Agenda 21 and the ‘great reset’ which would enslave humanity. This is the ‘big picture’ and they have been working on it for years.
Fred Bloggs. My money is on United Nations Agenda 21 too.
I wouldn’t subscribe to the idea that 9/11 was a put up job but I think we have seen enough to explain Blair rushing to follow the U.S. into Iraq etc.
Just another grander version of “divide and rule”
But there must be some sort of nudge unit somewhere making and firing the bullets or are you saying it is all chaos theory? And everybody jumps on to the nearest passing bus.
I think they used to sum it up “all going to hell on a handcart” perhaps that was pre buses
Not Chaos theory no Roger. I’m sure the U.N. has a very good nudge unit.
If you want to find the ‘nudge unit’ you just need to look into who ultimately controls all the money e.g. Brackrock, Vanguard, The World Bank and who are the major shareholders in them.