As promised, we’ll turn our beady eyes on Brexit this morning, on the round of talks just ended. Before we do, let’s look at what else ‘Our MSM’ are up to. It’s always interesting to see what they’re talking about and telling us – and what not. Looking at today’s front pages of the online papers, ‘Muzzle Friday’ didn’t happen. The Guardian has one report of happy mask wearers from small towns like Devizes and that’s it. What must occupy our national gossiping today is Harry&Meghan and the alleged miscarriage of justice in the murder trial of policeman Andrew Harper where there’s talk about witnesses having been coerced.
There were a few articles about the Brexit talks which ended on Thursday. We read that ‘Our MIchel’ was as intransigent as ever and as the deadline for the talks to finish by the end of this month has now slipped, David Frost has made a concession to Brussels: ‘talks’ will go on in some form or other until the end of September (paywalled link).
That is a concession to Barnier who has insisted since March that the time was too short, that nothing could be achieved by the deadlines set by Johnson and that “we” must go on until October when the EU mighties have to give their approval to whatever Frost and Barnier have agreed. Then it’ll go to the EU Parliament which has to ratify the whole thing and where a certain Verhofstadt is lurking.
However, given the usual pronouncements by ‘Our Michel’ – who is starting to look a bit podgy, btw – namely that the UK’s current position was ‘completely unacceptable’, I beg to doubt if these talks will end in joy:
“UK officials said the talks would not progress until the EU accepted that it was negotiating with an independent nation which would not allow other countries to dictate terms over its fishing waters or future policies on issues such as workers’ rights and goods standards. But Mr Barnier warned that the “time for answers is quickly running out”, adding: “By its current refusal to commit to the condition of open and fair competition, and to a balanced agreement on fisheries, the UK makes a trade agreement at this point unlikely. This week, again the UK did not show a willingness to break the deadlock. But the EU cannot accept and will not accept the bill for the UK’s political choices.” (paywalled link)
As usual, Barnier needs three sentences where Mr Frost needs one. As usual, Barnier castigates us for not accepting his dictums. Interestingly, the outcry from Barnier, that the UK wants to ban ‘all EU fishing vessels’ from our waters, has been shown to be, well, a bit generous with the truth. Barnier reportedly said:
“On fisheries, the UK is effectively asking for a near total exclusion of EU fishing vessels from UK waters. That is simply unacceptable. … Any agreement cannot lead to the partial destruction of the EU fishing industry.” (link)
Of course, the EU having destroyed the British fishing fleet, it’s totally unreasonable to expect the EU to agree to the rebuilding of that fleet – of course it is! Here’s the refutation, in nice diplomatic language:
“Shortly after Barnier made this claim, the senior UK official involved in the talks effectively claimed the EU’s chief negotiator was mistaken. Yes, the UK would take back control of its own fishing grounds, but “that doesn’t necessarily require the exclusion of EU trawlers from our waters. What it means is an agreed basis in which we have the right to control access to that zone.” (link)
Barnier – mistaken? Surely not! There’s more ‘diplomat-speak’ on the role of the ECJ. I hope David Frost and our negotiators are not going to take this at face value:
“Brussels appears to have acknowledged that direct ECJ jurisdiction is a hurdle too high for Frost’s team. “They have indicated flexibility” said the UK official, “they’ve heard and understood that point of concern to us.” The British position is for future EU-UK dispute arbitration to follow existing international precedents.” (link)
Old cynic that I am, this reads to me like junk news. ‘Hearing and understanding’ and ‘indicating flexibility’ doesn’t mean Barnier will concede a millimetre. The past four years surely will have taught this to the Frost team.
And finally – put your cup or mug down and sit on your hands before you read this! ‘Our team’ is now hoping for “Mutti”, i.e. Ms Merkel, to intervene. Yes, really:
“A senior UK source close to the negotiations said Mrs Merkel’s reputation as a dealmaker on the European stage could be key to end the impasse. “It is definitely possible now with the (EU budget) wrapped up that member states will become more engaged in this process in Brussels and get them moving forwards politically,” the source said. The German presidency, obviously, should pay more attention to what’s going on, which I think has got to be helpful. Michel Barnier, in the final phase, hopefully ought to have some political guidance,” the source added.” (paywalled link)
RemainCentral has trustingly copied their report from the DT, quoting that same ‘senior source’, using the same words, adding only their interpretation:
“Downing Street officials are hoping that after next month Mrs Merkel will prioritise finding agreement on a trade, fishing and security treaty that would come into force next year after the end of the Brexit transitional period on December 31.” (link, paywalled)
Dear Lord – are they seriously thinking Ms Merkel will tell Barnier what to do? Hasn’t the summit just past, on the extraordinary EU ‘Corona Fund’, shown that, when it comes to the crunch, Merkel and Macron will let the minnows play at looking tough and then twist all arms to get the result they’ve agreed to beforehand? And yon MS Merkel is now supposed to give independent ‘guidance’ to Barnier? Really?
The very odd thing is that the Brussels correspondents of those two papers seem to have missed the remarks made by a German diplomat in Brussels on Friday. The Guardian (yes, sorry, but occasionally one has to do the needful and delve into those pages) reports:
“Angela Merkel’s government has called for more realism from the UK in the ongoing trade and security talks, after the EU capitals were given a “sobering” update by Michel Barnier following the recent round of Brexit negotiations. After a presentation by the EU’s chief negotiator to ambassadors from the 27 member states on Friday, a spokesman for the German government, which holds the rolling EU presidency, said the bloc was ready to move negotiations quickly forward but “expressed the need for more realism in London”. (link)
That’s a bit of a downer for Downing Street! And: ‘more realism in London’ – now who has been using such words before? Stand up, ‘Our Michel’! This should be a ‘sobering update’ for Mr Frost and his team. Ms Merkel won’t be an unbiased arbitrator, she’ll do what she always does: twist arms while working hand-in-hand with that wannabe Napoleon – who of course has only the very best intentions towards Great Britain.
I think our friends at facts4eu were spot on in their assessment of the talks three weeks ago when they wrote:
“Our read of David Frost’s statement is as follows: – “This is an utter waste of time. I’m going through the motions for appearance’s sake, but we’ll can this charade as soon as we’ve got the optics right and can show the world what impossible people we’re dealing with.” (link)
These negotiations are now increasingly looking like paper-shuffling exercises, of ‘going through the motions’. The next round will apparently be taking place ‘on paper’, because ‘work must be seen to be done’ while ‘Our Michel’ is going on holidays until the middle of August. I hope you’ve also noticed that ‘Downing Street hopes’ Ms Merkel will intervene ‘after next month’ – next month is holiday month in the EU and thus nobody is around to make decisions until September. That’s how urgent this is for Barnier and Brussels!
Meanwhile, our lot under the guidance of Michael Gove is preparing for a no-deal end to the transition period as the proliferation of new and re-written guideline papers from the government attest.
Let’s conclude with this snippet about what happened yesterday on Mask Friday:
“Shopping centres across the country said that compliance levels had generally been high, but there were numerous reports of people browsing the aisles without a mask.” (paywalled link)
So no riots then, no calls for police officers to fine shoppers, no signs of civic disobedience. I hear that many people simply did their extended weekend shop on Thursday. How this will affect ‘footfall’ in the High Street and the much wished-for economic recovery remains to be seen.
The ‘next big thing’ in the ongoing CV-19 bungleathon will apparently be advice to wear gloves. Well, we’re only 5 months away from Christmas, so winter is coming. When it’s cold outside, I wear gloves without the government telling me to – what will you do? As for me – I shall buy fashion gloves, online, naturally.
Meanwhile, I shall wait with bated breath for the forthcoming scientific debate about gloves, about how useful they are or aren’t, and especially if we must wear those surgical ones to ‘Protect Our NHS’ by not catching that virus.
KBO!
Mask Maverick update: Had to take mother (yet again) to get her hearing aids sorted out to a town where the shopping centre was full of masked zombies. A security guard followed me and asked if I had a mask so I just ad libbed that i was with my mother who is deaf (no lie!) and needed to see my lips. He went away satisfied. Bought some diesel (wore gloves for that!) and went in the shop cum post office to pay. No masks on the staff and no questions or edge at all. Every day I hate Blobjo that little bit more.
“A security guard followed me and asked if I had a mask” Blasted cheek. No wonder the shopping centres are dying, and few but but masked zombies go there. If shoppers kowtow to this humiliation , it will be their fault that we forcibly become guinea pigs for a very dangerous vaccine. It’s to teach us obedience and test how far we’re prepared to be pushed around; but why should we meekly obey our enemies ?
It also makes it easier for our enemies to flush out us non conformists and literally starve us into submission.
‘Blobjo’! The ‘wobbly man’ budgie toy? Rather apt.
Encouraging news. The unions have told civil servants not to go back to work as the Fat Manipulator demands. Thank goodness they at least are trying to ‘control the virus’. Health and safety must always be our first consideration right? Remain in your homes be responsible right? Masks are brilliant but safer not to go out right?
Ralph are you now saying that if we have an Australian style WTO, the nasties that you highlighted in Bori’s Withdrawal Agreement will no longer be applicable.
Because if you are not, then my original point made the other day is still valid i.e. that I understood some Senior Conservatives had taken up the matter with the PM/Negotiators with a view to having the WA amended, in my opinion this MUST be done before 31sr December 2020
Roger, our Parliament passed the Withdrawal Agreement & Political Declaration into law, so legally our Government is bound by them. The WA&PD withdrew Britain from membership of the EU to make Britain into a colony of the EU.
This was wanted as much by Whitehall & Westminster as by Brussels. The whole purpose of the Article 50 process was to crush the rebellion of 23rd June 2016 through fraud, and no doubt if necessary in future, by force.
As far as I can see the only way we can get a genuine Brexit now is by throwing all the results of the years of Article 50 negotiations onto a bonfire, including the Withdrawal Treaty. That could be done by our Parliament passing an Enabling Act, or an Act of Supremacy that declares all laws, regulations, directives and other legal instruments from the EU to be null & void in the UK.
Or as Lindsay Gatward said in a comment, defiance of the Withdrawal Treaty (and consequently of the EU) might be enough. If Boris Johnson refuses to obey the WT or the EU Court of Justice what can Brussels do? Send the Luftwaffe against us?
Roger, the Withdrawal Treaty cannot be amended, before the 31st December or any other date, because the EU will not agree to its amendment.
We will be an independent sovereign country on 1/1/21; surely compliance with the WA could easily be avoided in the same way we can withdraw from any treaty? What are they going to do? Declare war on us?
Let us hope that the Treason and Sedition Law is restored properly to disallow any control over us by a foreign entity. However, as I have said many times, we must work with our friends in Europe to bring about the destruction of the EU.
THE COMBINED INTELLIGENCE OF I.D. READERS WOULD BE HELPFUL !
On our Brexit, and the restart of the UK as a sovereign Nation. – Why would we need a connect to the EU’s Courts and Laws ?
Why would we NEED the EU’s guidance upon ‘standards’ for food and whatnot ? – Our own standards seem OK, or better !
Why do we tolerate the demands from Barmy ? – Is this a case of Britain being over polite ?
Doesn’t Mrs Merkel have EU seniority over Barmy, now that Germany has the lead of the EU ? ….. Eighty years ago, Germany told France what to do, and France did it ! – I only mention this because the French like to have, and to hold precedent on everything ! – It’s a bit like the EU having our fish for half a century, but they didn’t before then, or is that ‘an unwelcome precedent’ ? ….. I’m not French you see, and there’s the problem !
MWT How about
Up yours Michel go to Hereford, Hertfordshire and Hampshire
Hopefully Viv, you and facts4eu are right.
It seems to me that the MSM are still under the ILLUSION that only A DEAL is a good outcome.
Brexit:
Haven’t heard much about an extension to the transition period recently (except from the Scots). Despite the EU’s insistence that there’s not enough time to reach an agreement, if an agreement is to be reached at all, it will only come at the last minute.
Has Downing Street finally realised that if the transition period is extended again and again, we’ll NEVER reach an agreement? And that suits Barmier fine, doesn’t it?
Debbie, you can see what is going to happen here. Johnson was initially talking about the end of June, then the end of July and now its the end of September and possibly October as a deadline to negotiate a trade deal. Then it will be announced that they have agreed a framework, but will need a little bit more time to dot the i’s and cross the t’s, and before you know the transition period will be extended beyond the 31st December 2020 and well into 2021. Also what worries me is that this week he has been saying he won’t back down over fishing, but the customs union gets no mention at all. I am sure that there will be a watered down fudge on this issue, and we true Brexiteers will need to be on the ball, ready to hold Johnson to account on this all important issue. I sincerely hope that by this stage Nigel Farage will have got The Brexit Party back into gear, as I fear it will be needed.
There will be a lot of people, me included (and probably you too, Colin), who will be very unhappy if he fudges Brexit.
It’s beginning to look as if the only difference between Johnson and May is that he thinks he is a more convincing liar and will get away with a fudge un-noticed. For me Brexit is all that his political career, and hopefully his useless party, is hanging on, he has failed on everything else. The ditch may be a lot closer than he thinks,
How can we ”ready to hold Johnson to account”? A genuine question. What can we, as mere spectators, do at this point?
Unless we want to go on and on with the two-party, musical chair system of elective dictatorship forever, Farage’s party or something like it will be essential. What happens to Brexit is, of course, vital but are we going to allow two paries, one neoMarxist and the other proto Fascist take us forward post Brexit?
Tony Woodcock. Peter Hitchens says we had the chance to break this stranglehold in 2010, a time when it was thought the Tories could never get elected again. He tried to destroy the Tory party by constantly asking, quite correctly, why voters kept supporting a useless unconservative unprincipled party that constantly duped and despised them, and kicked them around like a dog. My thoughts exactly. He maintained they must be totally destroyed before a worthwhile conservative party could hope to succeed. By keeping the Tories alive voters have dug their own grave. I hope its not too late for a remedy.
Ah well! I suppose I need to say it once again……until it sinks in?
We need to support those Parties that are dedicated to ridding ourselves of the ‘Tory’ and ‘Labour’ political misfits ……….and without a total and complete coalition of those who support more right wing policies ………there is not a hope in Hell of EVER achieving that goal.
I repeat………and will do so until it comes about…….
Nigel Farage, Gerard Batten, Duncan Smith, David Davies, Richard Tice…..these and likeminded men in whom I for one would place my trust……..these are the ONLY people who could take the reins if they had sufficient support.
We are now witnessing the stupidity of putting Bumbling, Mumbling, Billy-Bunter Boris in charge.
He still hasn’t even acquired the ability to string two or three cogent meaningful sentences together without spluttering and dodging and backtracking……..but this of course is his ‘device’ , his M.O. and it is not only getting more and more tedious, but illustrates his thought process to boot……….butterflying.
Well, the country chose this prattling idiot to lead them…….Ha! What a joke!
Now we are paying for that insane choice………..and it ain’t over yet!!!!!! Not by a long chalk!
Our shops and showrooms here in Britain are full of goods for sale from countries all over the world outside the European Union. Those countries do not have any Free Trade Agreements with the EU, they trade with it under WTO rules. Why can’t we?
An FTA with the EU is only necessary if you want to turn Brexit into a Brexit In Name Only (a BRINO) which will be a necessary condition for an FTA with the EU.
Quite, Ralph. As most of our readers know, the EU only refuses us a Free Trade Agreement because it wants to keep us under its thumb. Are our politicians really so stupid that they don’t realise that?
Debbie, as far as I know South Africa, Chile, Japan, the USA, Brazil and all the other countries selling their products inside the EU don’t have FTA’s with the EU. They trade under the GATT agreements of the WTO.
The EU is very bad at reaching FTA’s with anybody. The last time I looked, the only country they were close a trade agreement with was Canada, and those talks had been going on for ten years. So the only reason for these Transition Period negotiations towards an FTA is to delay Brexit and get a BRINO, on both sides of the table.
If Whitehall & Westminster had wanted Brexit they could have been out of the EU before 2017. They knew that Article 50’s purpose was to stop countries escaping from the EU. And in Britain’s case it has been very successful.
“Article 50’s purpose was to stop countries escaping from the EU” Gerard Batten was saying this till he was blue in the face, and advertised his book about it The Road to Freedom, . but nobody much paid any attention. Now everyone will learn the hard way, that he was right..
Never let it be forgotten that Boris might possibly have been able to scupper the Benn Bill but appears to have chosen not to.
Gloucester Area.
As you may already be aware BLM demonstrations took place a few weeks back in Glos & Lydney. On the back of that one charity that I know of have taken upon itself to campaign on behalf of BLM along with the usual post modernist / Marxist dogma. I don’t know why as the stated aims of this orgainsiation is to support young people who are facing some very difficult times; whether it be a disruptive home life, caring for a family. My daughter recently highlighted this post on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=583196382335250&ref=watch_permalink
Their are other videos but one thing to bare in mind is that these members of staff come in to close contact with young kids – many of them with all sorts of issues. They are in effect old fashioned social workers. The video and the content had a massiver effect on my daughter hence the reasaon for highlighting this. May I suggest you listen to the contents of the whole video which is aimed at young people.
Thanks
Dan
The link is broken or the page removed, perhaps more likely, so we don’t really know what it’s about.
No I just cut and pasted it myself —
CV19 bungleathon.
“Avoid all colds, wear Marigolds!”
“In Frost we trust, with Boris we go bust”
Knew I should’ve gone into advertising.