It’s the morning after and the morning before: yesterday saw the crushing defeat of Ms May’s WA in Parliament. For my sins I watched the whole thing, from the start with the theatrics of the attorney General Geoffrey Cox to the end with Mr Corbyn’s statement that he would call for a Vote of no Confidence today, and today we’ll watch the No Confidence debate and vote.
Observing the HoC in full flow and watching how a debate and the ensuing voting is done in the HoC always makes me proud of our parliamentary traditions. That alone is reason enough to leave the EU and never go back – you just have to watch how debating and voting is done there to see that the EU is not and never can be a democracy!
Today’s papers are full of the result. Frankly, I did not think the vote would be so crushing, especially not when tweets by political correspondents were floating about about rumours that there would be many Tory abstainers.
Today the No-Confidence Vote will be debated in the House and voted on. The general opinion is (see e.g. here) that Ms May will survive that because even the Tory Brexiteers and the DUP will support her, so calling it an ‘attempted power grab by opportunist Corbyn’ is perhaps a bit over-the-top.
Let’s start with Sir John Redwood’s comments, who writes in his Diary today:
“The predictable and large defeat of the PM’s main policy is unprecedented in my time in the Commons. I have seen governments forced into climb downs on unpopular policies, but never seen a PM put so much effort into defending a policy which united a large element of her own party with all the forces of opposition. It is difficult to fathom why she carried on with it. She knew the DUP would oppose, so that was the end of her majority.”
He very charitably suggests that:
“Maybe she decided she needed to show both the UK and the EU that the best Agreement on offer from the EU was completely unacceptable to Parliament and a clear majority of the people Parliament represents.”
and concludes:
“Either way, exiting without a dreadful deal is the right course to follow. The PM was correct to stress No Deal is better than a bad deal. Parliament has just rightly decided that was a very bad deal. Indeed it wasn’t a deal at all. It was a very expensive invitation to more prolonged talks about a possible deal.” (my bold)
The MSM here are now in full ‘blame-the-Leavers’ mode. Look at this significant video of an angry Ch4 reporter interviewing Jacob Rees-Mogg in The Express, where JRM makes a point which the whole Remain clique, from MPs to hacks to Blair’s “People’s Vote” supporters always happen to overlook:
“Jacob Rees-Mogg pointed out that a no-deal Brexit “cannot challenge the law” passed by Parliament, of leaving without a deal if a no deal was agreed. […] “Parliament passed with an overwhelming majority the Article 50 act to begin a two year process. It passed the withdrawal act, both of these in the knowledge that if no deal was agreed we would leave without a deal. An indicative vote cannot challenge the law which was passed by Parliament. The Government should respect the law,” (my bold).
Expect the Remainers to overlook this simple fact, and expect the MSM, the BBC first and foremost, to hone in, in their interviews of ‘the people’, on those who want a 2nd Referendum because everybody ‘has the right to change their minds’ – to give you a taste. watch the video in this report, with the misleading headline of ‘Leave voters condemning May’ while giving more air time to Remainers than Leavers.
The observations of the professional observers/commentators on yesterday’s result are interesting if predictable, e.g.
“What a waste of time that was. Five long, weary days of debate that absolutely everyone – including, surely, Theresa May herself – knew from the start would end in crushing defeat. In fact, they didn’t just know it five days ago; they knew it five weeks ago, when, for no good reason, the Prime Minister decided to delay it.”(Source)
In the end, they are neither here nor there, nor is it useful to tell those ‘professionals’ that they ought to’ve listened to us, out here, rather than swan around in their Westminster bubble. The few remarks which did catch my eyes are worth keeping in mind when pondering what Ms May will do next:
“The one thing Theresa May cannot say is “nothing has changed”.Her Withdrawal Agreement was beaten on Tuesday night in the Commons by 432 votes to 202, the biggest defeat since at least the 1920s. Ruin for the Prime Minister’s plan has in fact been predictable since the summer of last year: the stream of resignations from the Government ought to have been a clue. But Mrs May has a record of misreading the situation. She misread the voters in the 2017 election; she misread the EU; she misread her Cabinet at the Chequers summit; and it’s obvious that she has dramatically misread Parliament.” (Source),
Allison Pearson in the DT writes:
“How the hell did we get here? Two and a half years ago, the country spoke. But it turned out there was one thing beyond the public’s influence. Their own elected representatives. Can a Parliament be in contempt of the people? Yes, and every wretched, wearisome drawn-out debate, denial and deceit that led up to the historic Common’s vote on Theresa May’s deal on Tuesday night has proved it. […[ The PM and Parliament have spent more than two years not listening to the people, and that’s why we find ourselves in this godawful mess.”
Contempt was not only shown by Parliament to us the people, but by the Tory grandees to the Tory Brexiteers. Asa Bennett in the DT observes that the Tory grandees must’ve known full well that defeat was on the cards as they brushed off the concerns of ERG members. It’s unclear what they will now do with Ms May. That she has lost even her loyal supporters in the Parliamentary Party is shown by this incident:
“Even senior Tories like Sir Graham Brady marched through the No lobby. If the Tory backbenchers’ tribune, the man who oversaw Mrs May’s successful confidence vote, wants to defeat the deal, that shows how badly she has misjudged the mood of her party colleagues.”
I agree that, to crown it all, Ms May has also disastrously misjudged the mood of the EU, from M Juncker down to M Barnier and his negotiators.
Of course, what we here and what the EU want to know is – what will happen next? Brussels and the continental MSM are baffled and puzzled. I’ll address this in another article later today.
How many of us can put their hand over their heart and say with all honesty ,that even with a fair choice on the paper , they would then trust The Powers That Be to give a proper , R2, with no fiddling , no scamming and no dishonesty , My view .? it would go down in history as the carve up to end all carve ups.
Why all the fuss about leaving the EU with no deal on WTO terms?
Since 1973 the UK balance of trade with the EEC/EU on EU terms to 2017 is a deficit of over £1.639 trillion.
Since 1973 the UK balance of trade on WTO terms with the rest of the world to 2017 is a surplus of £477 billion.
BRING ON LEAVING THE EU WTO TERMS!
From the BBC News website:
-“Lib Dem leader Sir Vince Cable said 48% of the population who voted to remain in the EU had been “totally disregarded” by the government and Mrs May had an “unwillingness to listen”.”
Mr Cable, what about the 52% majority of people who voted to Leave the EU, are they not being totally disregarded also?
I agree that Mrs May has been unwilling to listen, but the same complaint could be levelled at any number of ‘Remainers’, not just Mr Cable.
The whole point of democracy is that when it comes to a decision like this, some people are going to be happy, and some are going to be unhappy. Of course, we should not completely disregard the views of the opposing side. But then again we should not veer away from the democratic decision that was made, simply to ‘appease’ the losing minority. Because if you start pandering to the minority, then democracy breaks down, and the majority start to get very annoyed…
At the last general election, I did not vote for either the Tories or Labour, I don’t expect the result to be altered or overruled, just to keep me happy because my vote (for UKIP) was “disregarded”. If the EU referendum had gone the other way, I wouldn’t have liked it of course, but I would have accepted it.
That’s how democracy works Mr Cable, some you win, some you lose.
I have a cunning plan …
Looking at (legal) ways to protest that are effective, I noted this today in the Telegraph…
/////The amount invested in Premium Bonds had risen to £79bn by the end of 2018, up from £65bn two years earlier.////
Now assuming all Leavers with Premium Bonds ( lets say £40,000,000,000 worth, or half, decided to withdraw their money on Friday 29th March if we were not to get what we want, it would create the Treasury an almighty headache, to say the very least….
Well done Kevin, you finally said something I can agree with.
Never underestimate the power of the pro EU gravt train. Wouldn’t hurt to do more than expose it though, it being cross-Party and all…..
I too believed that the Tories would abstain in large numbers and was surprised at the scale of May’s defeat. However the confidence vote is a foregone conclusion as no Tory – turkey will vote for Christmas.
All that aside, I wonder if us Brexiteers are not missing something. If there WAS a second referendum, we would likely win it.
Alistair Campbell, when interviewed yesterday and asked the hypothetical question ‘what if you LOST the ‘Peoples’ Vote’ admitted that the jig would finally be up.
Of course it all depends on the question. I have yet to hear from any politician in the Remainer camp suggest the wording. What is crucial, should the second referendum ( let’s call it R2 ) happen, is that there is a so-called ‘binary vote’ . Anything else would likely not deliver a satisfactory and final answer and lead to even more division.
Given the loathing of the Commons to a ‘no-deal’ exit, and the politicians’ inability to compromise on anything, I wouldn’t count on any consensus regarding R2 that would contain a solution that satisfies hard-core Brexiteers.
However….
Given that R1 has already mandated Brexit, perhaps the choice should be should be 1/ WTO Terms 2/ Renegotiation (including Remain)
As a caveat, R2 legislation should have a failsafe, where if LESS than 51% of the electorate turned out to vote, there would be an immediate dissolution of Parliament and a General Election.
We cannot reward abstainers.
Then in the case of a GE –its best man (or woman) wins.
Of course this means pushing back the March 29th deadline, which needs EU approval ( we can only, by law, pull out unilateterally, we can’t postpone )
It’s worth debating. What do you think? Should this be UKIP’s policy?
The Remainers ARE already suggesting the Q and they are saying it should be between ‘Leaving on Mrs May’s Terms’ and Remaining in the EU. I am afraid I cannot recall which Remainers specifically I have heard say this ( apart I think from Vince Cable ) but several do suggest it.
Of course not even the first amounts to Leave.
If WTO Terms was on the ballot ~between that and Mrs May’s ‘deal’ I am pretty sure we could win again.
That’s why I don’t believe they will allow for it to be on the ballot.
What I find worrying is how little anyone can possibly trust even the those MPs who call themselves Brexiteers. There has been a whole list of about turns contradictions and confusing signals put out. My only conclusion is the wriggling and writhing of corrupt self opinionated and self-serving politicians is a sight to behold.
For example Boris Johnson being interviewed last night, demanded that May ditches the ‘backstop’ and takes a fresh approach. He also apparently dismisses the idea of extending Article 50 saying that ‘most of the other terms were fine’.
No they aren’t! I haven’t read the document but have read a number of analysis and to my mind it is far from ‘fine’. This reminds me of a journalist catching Johnson before entering the PESCO talks, Johnson was then Foreign Secretary and was devious and evasive in his response to very simple questions. There are lots of examples. What rotten politicians we produce.
I read elsewhere one correspondent suggested shooting was too good for them.
In summer I have a serious problem with scum in my fishpond, which I am fairly successful in removing with an algae net and chemicals. In a Parliamentary environment chemicals would take too long to work and it would be difficult to sneak a net into the Palace of Westminster, so leaving one alternative which seems too good for them, according to others.
Of course I’m not suggesting going ahead with this, I have a full beard which makes me look suspicious from the get-go.
But a man can dream can’t he?
I hope someone will inform us that the magnificent people ringing the ‘Liberty Bell’ outside Parliament yesterday were UKIPpers ?? !!
On a more sombre note ~I fear that what will happen now is that this Remainerist Parliament will unite and coalesce around what they have convinced themselves is their God Given Duty to legislate to stop WTO terms.
Whether they do this via an extension to Art#50 or a completely new Act of Parliament or both I believe they will do it. They can go through all the stages of a Bill from tabling to enactment in a couple of days when it suits them, and signalling their Virtue at all times very much suits them.
They, like the rest of the Establishment are convulsed into their Groupthink mantra that ‘No deal would be a catastrophe’
And we cannot take comfort either from the spectacular scale of the defeat : most of the Labour et al Noes voters were proclaiming that the ‘Deal’ did not go far enough in the direction of BRINO.
And how do you even begin to explain the 200 odd Tory voters who DID vote for it ?
Mine apparently a ‘leaver’ was convinced by the statements of William Haig and John Major, does that explain it!
I don’t get any UK TV here but France24 seems to be giving time to those that say we should forget the whole thing and remain in the EU. Somehow May must be complicit in this; it’s the only explanation why she went ahead with a vote that she could not win.
No doubt you have seen Antenne Deux bashing Macron. Interesting to watch him lose his temper when confronted by the collective Mayors across the country.
I suppose Brexit, or lack thereof is a gentle diversion. And just like the UKish msm, et maintenant le Bebe de Princesse de Royame Uni.
D’accord mon ami