“Bins or Brexit?” – that was the slogan the establishment parties and the political pundits in the MSM suggested for the Local Elections. Their assumption was of course that locals would go for ‘Bins’ and not treat their local councillors ‘unfairly’. Did it work?
For the Tories, the predicted bloodbath has happened. They have felt the full fury of the voters. The slaughter was worse than Tory grandees predicted: not 400 seats lost, not 800, but 1,300 … “Worst result since 1995” is the verdict of the MSM ‘explainers’. It was clearly ‘Brexit’, not ‘Bins’
Usually in mid-term Local Elections the opposition party is expected to gain votes. This time, Labour also lost. Again, it was ‘Brexit’, not ‘Bins’, and the ‘explainers’ point the finger at Mr Corbyn, blaming his fence-sitting, not committing to a 2nd Referendum.
The jubilation of the LibDems, the apparent ‘big winners’ is misguided. They gained not because the whole country suddenly decided they actually wanted to Remain but because local voters wanted to send a message to LabCon. So yet again, it was ‘Brexit’, not ‘Bins’.
Their win is overshadowed by the extraordinary success of Independents. These candidates were indeed elected because of ‘Bins’, and the best of luck to them. Another ‘winner’ were the Greens, but they lost control of the Brighton council where they’ve reigned for 5 years. Experience is a great teacher …
Sir John Redwood sums it up nicely and dispassionately in his Diary:
“The Council elections were not a second referendum on Brexit, as the Brexit party did not stand, and as the switchers away from Labour and Conservative were both Leave and Remain supporters. There was a mood to vote for anyone who was not a candidate for Labour or the Conservatives in quite a few cases. Independents did well, without expressing a particular viewpoint on the EU referendum.”
Neither TBP nor the ChUK-TIGs stood on Thursday, so a non-partisan observer would have thought that UKIP could hoover up all those disaffected Tory and Labour votes. Not only did that not happen, UKIP lost more seats than Labour. That needs some explaining from the UKIP leadership.
For a good general survey which is not paywalled, go here. It provides the background to the inevitable claims of Party ‘Grandees’, MSM pundits and loudmouths to ‘get on’ with the PM’s BRINO, a.k.a. WA.
Some are now predicting a stitch-up deal between May and Corbyn because both are frightened by the spectre of losing the EP elections on Thursday 23rd May. One solution which has suddenly sunk below the horizon of all those pundits is the cry for a GE. Odd, that, isn’t it …!
The PM is happily polishing her image as the ‘Great Brexit Deliverer” by telling the Tory Spring Conference in Wales yesterday that the election results gave both the Conservatives and Labour a simple message: “to get on” with Brexit.
You couldn’t make it up: she drives the once proud ship “Tory Party” onto the rocks, her sailors are jumping ship, and her message still is ‘full steam ahead’ … what is the matter with that woman?
She and her advisers see Corbyn as the only solution:
“Mr Corbyn hinted that a cross-party Brexit deal is in the offing as he said there was now a “huge impetus” on every MP to “get a deal done…Parliament has to resolve this issue”. Downing Street has said it wants its Brexit talks with Labour to be wrapped up by the middle of next week, leading to speculation that Mrs May is about to cave in to Mr Corbyn’s insistence on a customs union.” (paywalled link)
For “Downing Street” read: Sir Mark Sedwill and Whitehell. See also:
“Mrs May and Mr Corbyn each acknowledged a disappointing night and suggested that the answer was to deal with Brexit. Talks between the two parties could come to a head next week, with the prime minister giving the Commons an update if they have not concluded.” (link, paywalled).
I contend that none of the establishment party bigwigs in the HoC actually understand what Thursday’s vote means. They still cling to the pitiful excuse that voters don’t like it when their party is ‘divided’:
“A leading Tory leadership candidate warned last night that the party was seen as a “divided team” that “cannot unite a divided nation” after its worst local election results in a generation.” (link, paywalled)
They believe that the LibDems were right – they weren’t divided, after all, but remain the staunch Remainers they’ve been all along – and that the only solution now is to let Parliament decide:
“Jeremy Corbyn has been urged against using the local elections as an excuse for a Brexit deal with the government. After the party lost dozens of seats, far short of the party’s hopes to make gains in the triple figures, the Labour leader and John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, both said that the Brexit debate needed to be settled. Mr Corbyn said the results meant there was a “huge impetus on every MP”, whether they backed Leave or Remain, “that an arrangement has to be made, a deal has to be done and parliament has to resolve this issue. I think that is very, very clear.” (link, paywalled)
The Tories again threaten us with the spectre of a Lab/SNP coalition. Their solution, like Corbyn’s, is to get the PM’s WA ‘deal’ over the line, with the Labour ‘extra’ of staying in the Customs Union. For a great example of a delusional interpretation, here’s Mr Matt Hancock, the NHS Minister:
“The only way to interpret the results for the Conservative Party, he says, is that the voters want it to avoid veering to the right. “The clear evidence is that both main parties are getting the message that they need to deliver Brexit but also that voters don’t want extremes, they want the centre. […] Voters want people who are going to deliver the things they care about.” (link, paywalled)
Were the messages on the spoiled ballots not sufficiently clear, like ‘Brexit Now’? In contrast, Jacob Rees-Mogg has penned a long and quite philosophical article for the (paywalled) DT:
“Most obviously, Brexit needs to happen in a true form. The vassal state that apparently the Government and the Opposition have agreed, including a Customs Union and high alignment, is not the answer. This will simply ossify the failure that has just been punished in the local elections. The Tory party needs to be the Brexit party and to win back all those who are planning to support Nigel Farage and my sister, Annunziata Rees-Mogg, at the European elections. To do so will show the path to a clean Brexit.” (paywalled link)
He must know, mustn’t he, that this is at best a pious, fond wish. If achieving ‘a clean Brexit’ is the aim, then surely supporting the PM cannot be the solution, can it, Mr Rees-Mogg? His analysis of Parliament is however spot on, and lovingly expressed:
“This is not to deny that the current House of Commons has set its face against leaving the European Union properly and wants to remain at least semi-attached, but Parliament against the people cannot work for long. Voters will not tolerate such a state of affairs. Anything that is agreed by a Parliament more addled that the one James I dissolved in 1614 will not be the final word on the relationship between the UK and the EU. There is a fundamental constitutional principle, that one Parliament cannot bind its successors. The British people cannot be bound in permanent servitude to the EU. This is the basis of the sovereignty of Parliament which may legislate on any matter under its control, regardless of previous legislation or purported international treaties. A stitch-up by Remainers will not and must not be the last word. (paywalled link)
Elegantly said – but what are you, what is your ERG going to do about it, Mr Rees-Mogg?
Obviously, they all still do not take our verdict seriously. We knew this election would be regarded as a verdict on the PM. The low turnout in constituencies where there was no Brexit alternative shows this, as does the unprecedented number of spoiled ballots: 39,000.
The message on those ballots was clear. A pundit wrote that, had there been a ‘none of the above’ on those papers, NOTA would have won handsomely. And still the MPs march blithely on towards BRINO …
A big thank-you to all of you who stood and campaigned. Now onwards to the EP elections – if they take place. They may well be the last chance for us to tell our deluded ‘leaders’ in government and Parliament that it’s Brexit or else.
Meanwhile let’s keep an eye on the puppetmasters in Whitehell, and let’s keep telling the deluded MPs of all colours that they are on borrowed time. Our verdict on Thursday was their last warning.
KBO!
Let me save UKIP leadership the trouble of explaining, as it can all be explained with two words: Tommy and Robinson.
Rees-Mogg is a false prophet: the basis of Parliamentary sovereignty indeed is that one Parliament cannot bind its successors, but what this Parliament is trying to do is terminate the sovereignty of not just the Parliament but of the UK and make the EU sovereign over the UK. If an international treaty is signed which surrenders sovereignty and has no exit clause, a later Parliament cannot unilaterally repeal it: this is the basis of international law, and of the concept of surrendering national sovereignty.
A stitch-up by Remainers may well not be the last word, but it will be the last word spoken in peace. Thereafter, the only way back to independence will be a War of Independence. Against the whole of the EU.
Indeed a very interesting video by Tommy – but having watched it, I have the situation in context – and my point is and the remains, regrettably, that most voters WON’T have watched it, and the sheeple will follow the media headlines, and then not vote for us – as we saw in the locals. Tommy having principles on Islam is fine, but MY concern is getting moderate middle-of-the-road people to vote for us as the party of Brexit, and currently, that’s NOT going to happen.
However wrongly, the media coverage Tommy & co. are generating is KILLING our election chances, and after 25 years work for the cause, sorry if my being disappointed by that disappoints you. ?
Quite right. The MSM and poltical establishment could not have wished in their wildest dreams to be handed such a cudgel with which to slur UKIP and the Leave cause in general. Utter madness.
So we in UKIP should morph into some media courting fourth conservative party ?
Nigel, with the help of the MSM, could achieve the destruction of UKIP something that he could not do with Bolton,
or even trying his very best to get a vote of no confidence in Gerard Batten.
The reason people think Question Time was biased in favour of Nigel as a guest was because the Representation of the People Act required them by law to give us airtime. Anything, however feel-good or principled that stops Joe Average and family voting for us, and thus getting MEPs, and thus airtime, MUST be sidelined.
Reading the comments has been a depressing experience for me. What happened to loyalty to our Leader?
Perhaps it might be worth remembering that there is an epidemic of Rape Gangs targeting, trafficking and torturing young mainly white girls, happening country-wide and ignored by everyone – except, to his credit, our Leader. Tommy Robinson has for a long time, in the teeth of opposition from the Cultural Marxists who infest our Media and Politicians, been trying to highlight this appalling state of affairs, he knows a lot about the subject which presumably is why Gerard brought him in as advisor. He may be controversial but only as much as he is because of MSM lies. The problem needs tackling, Brexit notwithstanding.
I have listened to Carl Benjamin debating with the public as he tours towns as a prospective MEP (all on u tube) he is impressive, patient and reasonable.and also young – I am proud that he is standing for UKIP and also standing up for freedom of speech, and glad that he hasn’t succumbed to the witch hunt launched by the permanently offended brigade. It would be nice if he had support from all UKIP members.
Nigel Farage has disparaged, insulted and sneered at UKIP and Gerard Batten from his privileged position on LBC and MSM in general – he has handed them the ammunition and they have fired the guns. He was doing this for a reason, which we now know was his new Brexit Party adventure – obviously long planned and I believe his hoped for stepping stone to further ambition. The friendly fire was more devastating because in many public eyes Nigel is still the knight in shining armour. Nigel didn’t need to do this, because UKIP and the Brexit Party could have complimented each in the upcoming EU – one a home for disaffected Tories, the other a home for the abandoned working class. But Nigel, typically wants it all.
I believe that UKIP has a great future as the voice of the working class, given the right Leader, which is probably why Tommy wanted to join it. But a Party needs loyal members, and whether UKIP has enough of those, willing to back this Leader who I think understands that, no matter how we fare on the 23rd, or whether it will continue the blame game in difficult times remains to be seen.
Diedre Some of us have been trudging the streets 20 and more years to win Brexit. Yes, Nigel is not as nice a man as Gerard but he is a winner and that’s what people want and are prepared to vote for. We are in the business of winning votes and Gerard’s product may be genuine product but it is badly wrapped, badly presented and stuck on the shelf whereas Nigels is flying off the shelves.
Jake, If we do get a crack at the EU elections (which I’m not sure of a t m) Nigel will win that – he may even achieve a Tory Party Mark2 and get seat/into Government at the next GE, but UKIP has a real chance of picking up seats in a GE as the voice of the working class, which is currently completely without representation, imho.
I am in no doubt that you wonderful people played your part in achieving a referendum and Brexit (I only took part in the latter) – But UKIP can not and will not ever be able to out-Tory some sort of Tory Party Mark 2 – and our countries unsung heroes, the ordinary man and woman, need the UKIP Gerard is trying to fashion, perhaps because he is that person, an ordinary man.
Any future Leader who doesn’t understand that will kill UKIP for ever, again, imho.
Best wishes.
Deirdre, I`m not arguing with you, but merely pointing out your opening statement which I quote below is very wide and far ranging.
I for one am unaware that it is of “epidemic” proportions and still carrying on.
I am aware of “known” cases including Telford where I believe there is an ongoing investigation, but I would need to see compelling evidence and itemized cases of “still carrying on” and substantiation of “epidemic”, association with “Asian” sources I am not asking for at the moment, I am sure we are also repugnant of it whoever is committing it, particularly where under aged girls (or boys) are involved which is criminal.
“Perhaps it might be worth remembering that there is an epidemic of Rape Gangs targeting, trafficking and torturing young mainly white girls, happening country-wide and ignored by everyone”
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Roger, here is a list of the British towns and cities where grooming gangs have been tried and convicted – quite wide ranging I’d say but obviously not talked about or my statement wouldn’t seem at all controversial.
London, Aylesbury, Banbury, Birmingham, Blackburn, Blackpool, Bradford, Bristol, Burton, Chesham, Derby, Ipswich, Keighley, Leeds, Leicester, Manchester, Middlesbrough, Oldham, Oxford, Peterborough, Preston, Rochdale, Rotherham, Sheffield, Skipton, Slough, Telford.
I don’t know how many girls were affected in each town or city, or how many more towns are yet to be uncovered, but every child wasn’t just ‘groomed’ but threatened, often tortured, humiliated, introduced to drugs and trafficked.
Surely the UK’s shame. I’m proud that UKIP is talking about this in the teeth of opposition from without and within.
Lots of love as ever, Dee x
Dear, Dear, Dee; it`s you thank goodness!
That`s a magnificent answer, towns in alphabetical order and yes I agree on epidemic proportions (two is too many!)
All I can say is I have been sadly unaware of the extent and while this is only a list of cases uncovered and prosecuted I am equally sure there must be more and I wouldn`t be surprised if the shameful conduct is still continuing unabated in those towns you already mention.
I suppose I am the only one who is behind the curve in this knowledge and I think we should have an article in Independence Daily to update us all as to exactly what is (or is not) going on in tackling the problem.
Yeah, love as ever from me Rogerxxx (we go back quite a long way – fancy me not recognizing you as Deidre
Here in Lincs, the conservative candidate in my ward increased his vote to 290 and retained his seat.
Then Labour, and a Independent who I suspected may have been a disgruntled Tory, so I decided to spoil my vote.
I looked at some other wards here; one Independent had been a Tory town mayor not so long back.
And the UKIP candidate who in the 2017 elections we helped and supported, has now won a seat as a conservative.
Here ,we voted over 70% to Leave, IMHO we badly need UKIP to hang on in there.
Over the last two days Sponplague and others have posted links and commented on msm/newspaper reports in a way that suggests that they think that they actually report the truth!!
I find it amazing to think that they would ‘believe what they read in the newspapers’; particularly in relation to UKIP, Tommy Robinson and Carl Benjamin.
Perhaps, after watching the short videos, linked below, regarding unfair criticisms of recent events, apologies could be offered to both the above gentlemen:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XcU_Y4crP4o/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-yewGHQbNFpDrGM0diZOLA
They certainly deserve them.
In respect of the second link, please play ‘To Honour the Dissidents’
The voters dissatisfaction and anger has been clearly demonstrated in the Local Election. If this Parliament, by their own admission, can’t do what has been asked of them then the answer is not a Second Referendum but to Prorogue this Parliament, give us a General Election and give the people the opportunity to elect a Parliament that can! Put that back to the people!
A quick scan and I don’t see the words Tommy, Tommo, Carl Benjamin, Dankula or ‘death cult’ here – all very much a part of why UKIP’s comedy ‘leadership’ have driven the party off a cliff. What is the point of an NEC if the leader ignores their wisdom? There’s probably no way back for UKIP now, it has gone from farce to catastrophe.
I am still waiting for a statement from Gerard about UKIPs local election result disaster. The buck stops with him.
RIH,
May one ask, are you in the UKIP party, if the answer is yes, are you intending to stay?
Yes but not under this catastrophic ‘leadership’.
The Times article is about Sargon. ?
UKIP should have picked up say 10% but instead lost ground. They were polling okay until the Great Farage announced his one man pressure group devoid of distracting policies. His Party wasn’t in the elections, but those voters seem to have stayed at home or spoiled their ballots.
Why didn’t they vote UKIP? Was it because they thought it better to stay home or spoil the ballots or were they put off from voting UKIP by the smears of various new associates and supporters?
Are those who vote UKIP not interested in the political topics that those new associates regard as important or are those voters uncomfortable with the tone of what those associates say, or have the media poisoned UKIP?
Since I resigned from the NEC and as Party Treasurer in January 2018 I’ve watched from a distance, with sadness and anger, the slow and it seems deliberate destruction of UKIP
I played a key role in getting rid of Bolton and promoting Gerard’s leadership, going public in the Daily Telegraph stating that the NEC would welcome him should Bolton be turfed out at the EGM. Gerard is extremely well clued up on the EU and all of its shenanigans. All he had to do was concentrate on Brexit. Instead he allowed a narrative to build that UKIP was anti Islam and supported Tommy Robinson (who rightly or wrongly is politically toxic). This resulted in all media interviews on Brexit & Gerard’s leadership to be framed by these UKIP ‘beliefs’.
UKIP has now reached the point where it can’t deliver electorally. To lose council seats when LabCon are haemorrhaging hundreds (and the Greens, Lib Dems and Independents are gaining hundreds) is the beginning of the end. If UKIP can’t deliver in the face of the betrayal of what it has stood for over the last 30 years i.e. leaving the EU then when will it?
Whether you like Farage or not he was seen as the power behind UKIP and the main reason for its success. I believe had he stayed on as Leader after the referendum then in the face of the calamitous Tory Party & Remainer May UKIP would have been polling in the medium to high 20%’s and Brexit on WTO or an FTA basis would have been delivered by now. So, Farage owes it to Leavers to make sure the Brexit Party delivers. However, I suspect LabCon will agree a BRINO deal so they can cancel the EU elections in order to stop the Brexit Party from achieving a glorious victory (I can’t see UKIP winning that many seats). If that happens and we surrender to the EU then both Farage (in particular) & Batten will have to take responsibility for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Absolutely right John Bickley.
John, I too was at the Birmingham Conference Centre where the imposter Bolton was rightly outed and Batten was installed as the savior of what was plainly a sinking ship – he succeeded in the face of very short odds on his being able to.
Whatever his methods were fair or foul I do know he undertook to increase membership, this last I remember he set out to do by the canvassing of Veterans of whom I believe one of our members had advised there were 16000, as far as I am aware not many of them were forthcoming. I`ve no idea where the Tommy Robinson mob came in nor the uncontrollable media maniacs who followed.
I remember Batten`s first live interview with the MSM where virtually the first words were a greeting on B`s views on Islam, I remember his words were as he drew a piece of paper from his pocket “I thought you were going to ask me this, so I have come prepared” and if I remember he quoted 5 points he said he had examined and taken advice on.
His and UKIP`s attitude to Islam was decided from there on, he was confirmed in permanent Leadership after his 3 months trial period. I cannot see he can now be criticized for embarking on the course he has.
The fact that it hasn`t led to electoral success is another matter, but remember UKIP has been deliberately targeted and destroyed, it hasn`t helped we collectively (with a few honourable exceptions) have just rolled over and taken it, in fact slunk away goodoh.
Somebody has to expose and fight the pernicious spread of the pernicious side of Islam. UKIP must continue the education of the electorate at large – nobody else will.
The UK can’t take on and destroy Islamic extremism whilst still in the EU. It has to have total control of its borders and laws. Batten’s job, as an expert on the EU was to make sure UKIP became the voice of Leave and give voters (the 17.4million who voted Leave) the confidence to back UKIP.
JB,
Many of us myself inclusive went to the EGM on the 17 Feb to give bolton the hard word and I came away from that meeting with a feeling of elation knowing Gerard Batten had taken on the leadership.
To me bolton was a farage conduit allowing farage an opening for future input regarding UKIP.
What brought about the Pearl Harbour type rhetoric attack on GB / membership, unwarranted, underserved, was GBs stance on islamic ideology, followed by the Tommy Robinson personal advisor link, farage could see the future potential.
In reflection farage has been a coxswain type leader steering UKIP along tory lines especially in
regards to PC / Appeasement issues.
UKIP was only meant to have a limited amount of success IMO.
Currently farage is a one party man, in a, one man party, that man being farage.
Gerard Batten saved UKIP and for that he cannot be forgiven.
Fine words, however if UKIP can’t deliver in elections what’s it for?
Anyone sensible is anti Islam. It is not a race, it is an unreformed mediaeval religion which shares none of our values. I will be voting UKIP.
My thoughts exactly. As a local activist for UKIP the EU elections will be the final straw that breaks the camel’s back. My membership renewal will depend on it and I am not the only one
#Wth you there Lisa. Got notification that my membership subs are due next month. Hmmmm; Haaaar
I hear a leadership election is coming soon, and we want to be able to vote in it, unlike with another outfit which doesn’t need such pesky things! ?
If only !
The NEC keep postponing it, presumably on the grounds that there is an election in sight.
Even after the Euros it will be possible to say that a General Election ‘could happen at any time’ so presumably they’ll ask GB to carry on sinking the ship.
It seems that the main item on the Brexiteers agenda is the “split” ……… with several versions on offer from the obviously unattainable No Deal to Mrs May’s WA ….. while the Remainers agenda is simply to ignore the referendum and keep the status quo.
Again i would say that Jacob Rees Mogg is correct in taking what is on offer in Mrs Mays deal and then insists that such colonisation of Britain cannot be justified and therefore must be resisted and eliminated.
Let us not forget that Judas Rees-Mogg has betrayed us and voted for the WA ….!
BJ,
Mr mogg in my view along with his group has been running an attack / defence campaign
against / for may, erring strongly on defence, and right to the wire, then she had to go solo.
Edward Your shared remedy with Mogg is misguided. The Conservative Party is Mogg’s first love not Brexit. We must keep up the pressure to deliver a clean Brexit or it will never happen. In fact far from fighting a second battle to successfully extricate us fully from the EU a second battle may equally result in our full subjugation to the EU.
Totally agree Jake. We need to get out without a BRINO or Con/Lab stitch-up. They’re getting desperate now to avoid the EU elections because they know what’s coming. They will agree anything to “Get something over the line”. Whatever it is it won’t be Brexit.
the eu have it written into the agreement that NO future government can reverse the treaty, its binding untill 31 December 2099,but as all rules change in 2022 we just become a number and as she has already sinded our miliary and there eqioment away we are well and truely stuffed
An exceptional analysis Vivian. Seen from my viewpoint, my only points ( taken from the direction of a ukipper ) are that the rise of the independants is largely due to the mishandling and miscalculation of ukip itself, leading to individuals distancing themselves from ukip , for many reasons,and into becoming independants.
Another piece of the puzzle is Lib Dems rise I blieve is 1/2 remain and1/2 bins ( Round here we call em The Drains and pothole people.at which they do work hard and I commend Them )
And the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle is UKIP ‘s performance. The obvious target is the TR aspect. I do not think that the public generally disagree with Islam. But I believe that it could, and still can, be handled far far better; to gain instead of lose votes. Ibelieve that in the long run those who can do this wisely will get huge benefits.The Islam problem is world wide. and terrifying. Most muslims are people. Those who can solve the problem, solve a world problem. All problems can be solved.
I also wonder if the pure facts of Brexit party being an avowed single issue protest party witha blenk chequeto cause trouble appeals to the British. More than stodgy political parties curing all the countries manifest( o ) ills.
In a hole, stop digging: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-might-rape-mp-jess-phillips-says-ukip-candidate-carl-benjamin-rchlh3m86 ?
He says “any subject can be the subject of a joke” and in so saying misses the point entirely. While technically true, perhaps, it is not politically true. Would it be acceptable, for example, to address an audience that included people who lost children in the Manchester bombing, to make a joke about suicide bombers? No subject tor occasion is off limits apparently. Or would it be an example of the joke teller’s crass insensitivity and narcissism?
“I wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire” works because it implies or acknowledges there are circumstances where the degrading help of pissing on someone might be legitimate or appropriate (namely you were on fire and no other means of dousing the flames was available). The put down is that you do not merit even that. Similarly, to say “I would not even rape you” implies or legitimates the idea that rape could be appropriate in some circumstances. For women, rape is not a funny subject (or “satire” according to Batten) and for a man to continue defending the `joke’ shows blind stupidity and lack of intelligence.
Just as he claims free speech so do those he antagonised – in telling him he what they think of him. As you say, when in a hole….
The most telling point, though, is that UKIP high command are not telling him to shut up.
We can only hope that GB is not telling him to shut up because he is working on his Resignation with Immediate Effect press release ( to those outlets his purist mind is prepared to send press releases to, that is ).
Getting down with the Social Media Kids doesn’t seem to have worked the electoral wonders GB predicted does it ?
The spineless NEC presumably allows him to carry on with more of the same, on the grounds that there’s an election coming soon and any Leader is better than No Leader .
I actually think not, in this case. i think that a UKIP which distanced itself from GB and his adolescent infatuation with a serially convicted criminal and fifth form humour mongers on Twitter would have a somewhat better chance of salvaging something in the Euros than one which keeps a hold of GB.
There is no ‘infatuation’ as you cynically call it, Rhyss, but a bold and courageous decision to address a very real and important issue. It is now official that Christians are the most persecuted religion in the world and that Islamists are practising genocide on an industrial scale GLOBALLLY. You should be grateful that we have a leader who is courageous enough to address this issue and is not a supine apologist for terrorists like our mealy mouthed politicians and Establishment who are complicit in the subsumation and domination of this country by a radical and pernicous idealogy which threatens to destroy us.
Allison Pearson writes in the Daily Telegraph that we have 23,000 terrorists on a watch list and 3,000 who are a very serious danger to society in this country. I will speak to you after the next atrocity, which will probably take place sometime soon!
Tommy Robinson may be a rough diamond, but he puts his life on the line every single day! I am sure the same will never be said of you.
I agree with you Barbara. Kippers on here are far too forgiving of Farage. He dumped you lot in 2016. He then installed that kn*b Bolton whilst calling half the membership BNP types and Nazis. He then tried to organise a vote of no-confidence on Gerard Batten. And only recently again he called the membership racists. He has had the fortunate position of being on LBC almost everyday to promote himself and slag off UKIP with the backing of the MSM and it’s worked. He is a narcissistic self-promoter who saw the mess the Tories have made of things and took his opportunity. Let’s remember that For Britain who are perhaps even more openly anti-Islam that UKIP won councillors with big wins. Unfortunately for UKIP they took all the heat from the left and the MSM. If UKIP didn’t have a leader like Gerard who is prepared to say the truth about Islam then they would have gone after Anne-Marie. UKIP has become the lightning rod for anyone who dare mention Islam and Farage cynically exploited that. In my opinion Farage is a bit of a snake but then that’s politics.
For those that are willing to forgive Farage I urge you to watch the following video and not let your defenses down. Remember Islam isn’t going away anytime soon.
https://youtu.be/ACUlvOFJszE
Thank you Barbara for bringing to my notice an aspect that I and I guess many of the rest of UKIP members, never mind the population at large and that is the Global wide fight against the imposition of Islamic faith and culture and their quest to eliminate the apostate and .particularly Christians.
I believe the reason for the omerta in this country on the subject of all things Islamic stems from the consequences of the 1995 Barcelona Declaration, where in effect the EU (on our behalf) capitulated to the onset of Islam in the guise of some sort of mistaken ambition to incorporate the South Mediterranean area in the EU as equal partners if not actual membership
In effect the baby was thrown out with the bathwater and it is apparently now official policy from top to bottom of government, the MSM and many other official bodies to virtually outlaw adverse or even any criticism of Islam, it is in fact a conspiracy that I am pleased UKIP and Batten has been brave enough to expose.
Somebody`s got to do it – remember Churchill and gird your loins UKIP must be on a mission to educate.
I agree. It is true that getting out of the EU is extremely important, so that we can get proper control over who comes here…but nonetheless Britain does already have Islam and its followers causing great disruption and distress, and cannot be totally ignored. I continue to be puzzled as to why many British seem to suddenly stand up for these immigrants when they are complained about….maybe one day, if the demand is made for all women to climb into burqas and all families forced to convert to islam, they might suddenly realise they should have said something long before. With virtually no proper British defences now, to rely on, we are a very vulnerable country.
Nigel Farage wrote the foreword to Raheem Kassam ‘s book, No Go Zones. How Sharia Law Is Coming To A Neighbour Near You. Take a look on Amazon to read it. He is well aware of the issue but chooses to sweep it under the carpet now.
Barbara You are right of course, but unfortunately we cannot fight on two fronts at once and if we do we most likely will loose on both those fronts. Gerard has naively handed a cudgel to the political and media establishment with which to bash us and I am afraid it is getting worse.
I wouldn’t trust Nigel as far as I could throw him but if he can win us Brexit then who cares if he is a bit of spiv. In contrast, I trust Gerard and think he is far more principled and trustworthy than Nigel but he doesn’t cut the mustard when it comes to selling Brexit to the masses I am afraid.
We are in the business of selling a product (Brexit) and some people are natural communicators and salespersons whilst others are not.
RB,
“Serial convicted criminal” are you really for real, do you belong to the
“Those without sin” cult that seem to be growing in numbers.
These Isles shortly, due to the continuing voting pattern are going to be crying out for people of Tommy Robinson’s calibre.
What does surprise me is the LMF that is coming to the surface from the indigenous peoples of this nation.
Hi Ogga you and your wife mates of mine on the great Birmingham expedition, fond memories!
I`m right with you on this one and LMF for the uninitiated means in service terms “Lack of Moral Fibre” and loyalty tour leader comes top of the book in my terms.
I also agree with one of your other comments I saw you made the other day, about making sure you keep Nigel in front of you in battle situations – I might add all situations!
Just one thought for general consumption, after Nigel resigned the leadership I seem to remember there was a period when in effect Nigel and his pal Aaron offered to .
“take over” UKIP and was repulsed – supposedly by stick in the mud backers who had made outstanding substantial loans to UKIP and were unwilling to convert them to “Gifts”, apparently this resulted in the negative attitude we still appear to have from “central” UKIP
There is a distinct lack of enterprise and initiative in this party and unfortunately I think it stems from LMF at its heart..
On reflection if you think of the plans of Hopeless Henry which was a virtual take over of the party by the leader, which would have been .in effect a take over by Nigel by the back door as Henry was Nigel`s placeman/stooge.
Warm Regards to you both,
But it’s all right for Jess Phillips to laugh about male suicide is it Stout?
https://www.altnewsmedia.net/news/jess-phillips-in-her-own-words/
To be fair, the video clip shows her saying “I was laughing because the idea men need a special opportunity to discuss the issue us frankly laughable”. It could well be Sargon has the wrong end of the stick on this one…
His original Tweet was not a joke. It was a deliberately chosen response to a campaign to censor the internet to make it ‘safe for women’.
He made this comment in this vulgar way because he was already blocked by the MP, and therefore his objections to her policies would never be seen by her. He reasoned that this short statement would cause others to react.
But he used a forbidden phrase that causes fainting and a rush to protect the ladies from imaginary dangers.
We can add that to the ever growing Index Librorum Prohibitorum which lists all the topics and words that are forbidden.
He sinned and must be burned.
(If the question is just whether this is a good way to phrase something if you later decide to run for political office, I think probably not. The media don’t look for context or justification, they would rather smear. However, this is a long battle, which isn’t over yet.)
Well said LL
Yes, indeed! I really despair.
Well, Jake perhaps you are in the wrong party!
Barbara Perhaps I am. My priority since 1992 has been to win Brexit and I will join the ranks of those who are most likely to win Brexit. Parties mean nothing to me – I have no loyalty to parties only to the cause I am fighting and those most capable of winning the battle in hand.
Spon,
This is just to draw your attention to a general comment I’ve made above, relating to you, without directly replying to your post.
Thanks, have replied above.