The jostling and shouting at MP Anna Soubry the other day outside the gates of Parliament has led to much hand wringing and the usual skewering of the truth and the convenient ignoring of the facts.
The men and, I believe, one woman doing the jostling cannot be in any way condoned. They were over the top, rude, arrogant and to a certain extent aggressive. No hands were laid upon Ms Soubry, that must be made crystal clear. She was of course called a variety of names over and over again. Scum, Nazi and traitor were the more often repeated allegations. She was in trouble in that she clearly had no immediate means of escape. She did carry on along the road as best she could and eventually got through Black Rod Gate into the Palace of Westminster.
Various things have emerged from this incident. She has now done the rounds of TV and radio studios and has played the victim, very well and to the fullest extent. Let me be clear: I do not support the actions of these people, they were wrong and have totally lost the argument in my opinion, that argument being that Soubry, a remainer, has long advocated the overturning of the referendum. She has in the past called those who voted to leave Nazis and Far Right and traitors. She is not shy in using language that many could take great offence to. Nigel Farage has for years been subjected to the kind of behaviour Soubry experienced. His family were attacked in a pub whilst they were having Sunday lunch.
Soubry herself said of Farage “He looks like someone who has had a finger stuck up his bottom and enjoys it”. Hardly the language of a temperate lady of the Commons! Her allegation that she had been threatened with anal rape was very wrong on all levels. Being told to stick the EU flag “up your arse” is not in any way a threat of anal rape. The letter by fifty MP`s that followed, to Cressida Dick, the Commissioner of Police in London, demanding action was, to be honest, a total knee-jerk reaction.
Lets also not forget John McDonell, the would be Labour Chancellor of the Exchequer. who can be seen on video in 2012 saying ”I want to be in a situation where no Tory MP can travel anywhere in the country or show their face anywhere in public, without being challenged, without direct action”. Nothing was said about this, no hand wringing or virtue signalling over this little snippet.
Its also very important to note that whilst the press were making so much of this incident and giving over hours of news time to it, a young fourteen year old boy accidentally crashed his moped into a car. The occupants got out and stabbed him to death, the eighth murder this year so far in the Capital. Hardly any mention of this was made, given the salivating of the press and media about an MP who was shouted at.
People all over the country have been shut down, screamed at and verbally abused when trying to make a point in public, myself included in 2017 when standing for parliament in Bradford. Bill Etheridge MEP when he was still in Ukip was supposed to give a speech at Sussex University. He was no platformed by the students union and ended up giving his address in a local park. Last year at Lewisham, in a parliamentary by-election hustings, David Kurten was jostled and hassled and initially refused entry. Anne Marie Waters from the For Britain party was refused entry, full stop. The hustings was cancelled at the last minute – such was the potential for violence outside the venue by the far left. Two years ago at the Tory conference, the far left hung dummies from a bridge with a banner above saying “hang the Tories”.
The Ukip Youth Conference planned for 2017 was cancelled due to real threats via telephone and email to the venue. This is the future youth of the country engaging in politics and they were stopped. A secret venue had to be booked and the attendees informed via text prior to the conference, which was actually cancelled subsequently.
Two other major things have happened since the incident involving Anna Soubry. The first is that James Goddard, one of the more prominent members of the group who shouted at her, has had his facebook page taken down and his paypal account closed. Press have doorstepped his elderly parents: who says there is not an establishment! The Daily Mail have front paged a picture of him with Gerard Batten, leader of Ukip. Mr Batten has made it quite clear that he does not know him and has his “selfie” photo taken with hundreds of people.
The other much more disturbing thing is that there was clearly an undercover police officer within that group surrounding Soubry. Three things point to this:
- The other members of the group who all know each other, do not know this man
- He is seen on video clearly putting something inside the coat pocket of Anna Soubry`s PA
- He is seen on the video to have a police type radio in his pocket
I would go further and say that this man’s dress, deportment and whole aura is wrong. It just does not fit in with the rest of the group. He is far to smartly dressed, well spoken, and stands out from the crowd.
This is a very disturbing development and one that should be looked into by both those groups who intend on demonstrating in this way and by the public at large.
Whatever happened with Anna Soubry the other day, it was unpleasant watching. Street demonstrations like this will never win, they will always be denigrated and slammed by the media and those in the parliamentary bubble. I do undertsnd though the frustrations of people who only have one thing in their armoury and that is their vote.
People in general do not have newspaper columns and tens of minutes on mainstream news media through which to vent their feelings and opinions. They only have the once-every-five-years vote. Their frustrations are real and anger is clearly growing throughout the country. People feel very let down and trodden on, and that the one thing they do have, the vote, has been ignored, skewered and changed beyond all recognistion by an elite of 650 in Westminster.
Unless things change significantly then the jostling and screaming at Anna Soubry will be children’s playground stuff compared to what is to come.
It is virtually impossible to get any letter/comments into MSN as they are all totally biased one way or another. They have short memories as to how we came to be in this position of actually leaving the EU and mud sticks. Even good friends have come out with “you’re not still a member of UKIP are you” following the Tony Robinson debacle as “all UKIP members are racist aren’t they?” and this from someone who is a staunch Labour supporter. I did ask how it felt to be labelled “anti sematic” which shocked her as she says “but you know I am not”. I rest my case. Oh and the idea that there was an undercover police officer present in the incident involving Anna Soubry is not fantastical as many MP’s have bodyguards and this does appear to be a bit contrived.
Sourbelly is in a muslim group working to criminaliee the criticism of islam, traitor indeed
The entire left movement including Labour want to criminalise it for the straightforward reason that they consider muslims all to be Labour supporters or potentially same.
Such is the character of 21st century national politics in the EU Borough of Britain. Although he was a Catholic, Guy Fawkes did have a point..
So I believe is Jacob Ress – Mogg, so we have a job on our hands.
Could it be possible that the ‘attack’ on Soubry was an inside job to sway public opinion. The Police officer would be there to ensure that only the ‘actors’ got onto the stage.
No. Don’t believe that ‘secret policeman’ crap either
UKIP / TR affiliated morons – all well known- much to the embarrassment of the UKIP leadership – 48 hours later yet to condemn them—****** it up for those of us trying to engage in serious politics.
Thats why UKIPs leadership … the whole damned lot of them…. should resign.
All of them
USELESS.
Kevin Baverstock….. would appreciate your definition of , “Serious Politics “,
Rising tide of civil unrest everywhere.
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/the-rising-tide-of-civil-unrest-globally/
The fourteen year old you mention does not have appeared to have ‘accidentally’ hit a car. It would appear the car ‘hit’ him or made the accident happen and this was possibly a planned murder by a drug gang.
A 14 year old who died riding a moped … So a criminal. Underage/ not insured/ etc. But the usual ‘ he was a good boy’ stuff comes out.
He was allegedly a drug dealer. Well, he’s a dead alleged drug dealer now.
None of which deserves an unofficial death sentence. Any action taken against such “criminals” should be by the legal system properly applied. Unfortunately the legal system seems to find other, eg hurty, priorities to concentrate on, leaving the streets lawless in places. Inverted commas applied as you don’t seem to be concerned about innocent until proven guilty by trial.
When I first heard of this, I thought it was a police car that had knocked him off (- a much lauded police action against
drug dealers and not at all dangerous for the person hit (wooly covered bumpers?)).
Then I heard the lad was then knifed. I thought London and likely black gang or black drugs of some sort.
Stereotypes I hear you say? Well yes, all those religion of peace guys advertising Ali’s Snackbar bombing and running down ordinary citizens . . . and more extreme – twin towers.
Just think about it when you are next being treated like a criminal in an airport, trying to get on a plane.
It’s funny how this newsletter is quick to “condemn” people who take their frustrations out on an MP who has, in all honesty, treated the public like dirt. What on earth can you expect? This woman thinks she can do and say what she likes, she thinks she can treat the people of the country like idiots just because they didnt vote the way she wanted them to. You can expect more of the same in the very near future. We’ve all had enough of being polite to these rats, I’m afraid the only thing they understand is the return of same venom in their own faces. They don’t like it up em Mr Mainwaring!
Wasn’t she some sort of T.V presenter at one time ? Very important people these one reported today as having earnings in the £1 million bracket!
she is a traitor and she is behaving like a nazi–she has form on being rude and aggressive–no sympathy for her at all
Anna Soubry is no Nazi and should not be harassed in the street. Those who undertook this action against her,does our side of the argument no good whatsoever. Having said that, she was quite rude about Nigel Farage, and the saying ‘people in glass houses’ springs to mind here. Politics is dirty I am afraid, and those of us who have stood as candidates at elections only know too well what it is like to be threatened and abused, but it goes with the territory. Its not pleasant when it occurs, but it is a fact of life and one has to get on with it.
The actions of these idiots is regrettable and Gerard should publicly denounce them whilst pointing out the hypocrisy of the establishment and media in the selectivity of their moral outrage.
If, as Stephen claims Anna Soubry has called Leavers ‘Nazis’ then a link to this evidence would be appreciated for circulation.
It seems to me that the entire leadership of UKIP , in the vital last days of debate before the ‘Meaningful Vote ‘ have disappeared from the news outlets.
All I read, which is precious little, are gripes about TR / Yellow Vests and other nonsense.
However OUR MEMBERSHIP FEES pay for a press officer and full time staff in Gerard’s office including a full time invisible Chairman.
I’m beginning to think its just a racket.
By the way, we do have 2 elected AMs in London ( one of whom has defected , so lets make that one )
Does anyone know where David Kurten is, what he does or what his views are regarding Brexit?
Just asking…
Kevin, David Kurten produces a very good newsletter which keeps all those who have subscribed up to date with what he is doing and also what is going on. He is the most pro-active UKIP politician at the moment, so please do not have a go at him. What is more he represents our best bet in turning this party around come May, when we finally have a chance to elect a new leader. Without wishing my life away, I just wish May was next month and not 4 months time. Untold damage is being done to UKIP’s reputation at present, at a time when we need to be at our sharpest. My branch has lost 10 members this past month through no fault of our own. It makes my blood boil after all the hard work we have done.
Well, I’ve written to him numerous times and he’s never answered. He’s also blocked me on Twitter, and I don’t know why.
He’s never on TV , radio, or the press, nor it seems at many GLA meetings where his attendance is less than perfect.
In the last 6 times he’s been required to attend, he’s been 3 times.
https://www.london.gov.uk/moderngov/mgAttendance.aspx?UID=1859
He doesn’t contribute on here either ( perhaps Viv / Debbie might correct me if I’m wrong )
So I’ve no time for him.
I’m bored with lazy UKIP elected officials who take the money and run.
We deserve better…. or our money back.
Don’t slam the door on the way out.
Colin Hussey. Is David Kurten’s newsletter available to all UKIP members? My husband and I are both members and have never received it.
You can sign up for his newsletter on his website: https://www.davidkurten.net/
And I’m fed up with all your griping about the griping Keven – you always have the option of joining one of our other 3 absolutely wonderful main political parties! If not, show some support and get out there and fight for Brexit – and don’t dismiss the yellow vests; these brave protesters have been left with nowhere else to go in desperation against an arrogant elite . 10 people have lost their lives in the struggle- one woman has lost an eye and now they have been BANNED.
Demo’s being banned in Athens as Merkel arrives, bans are all part and parcel of living in an e.u state it seems.
1 ballot box
2 soap box
3 Ammo box
the so called “elites” have decide to ignore option 1