The true Leader of the UK – take your pick!
“WTF was that?” I apologise for using strong language, but that was the general reaction on Ms May’s ‘statement’ yesterday evening, right across the political divide.
Speculations about what she would say abounded after she announced yesterday afternoon that she would make a statement. Hopes ran high that she might announce her resignation as PM. Then we heard ‘rumours out of No 10’ that ‘her attitude towards a No Deal had hardened’. Thus, some speculated that she might withdraw her WA.
Well, it was none of the above. First of all, she made the nation wait again. The speech was planned to take place at 8.15 pm – it was roughly 8.45 pm before she appeared. And the whole thing was over within five minutes …
Then she attacked the HoC for not voting for her WA, telling the nation that this abomination was the best deal for Brexit. What she was hoping to achieve with this speech is beyond me. If she or her advisers thought that we will now all email our MPs asking them to be nice to her and vote for the WA then this speech was counterproductive. If you want to watch ‘that speech’ again, here’s a clip.
Speculations about what will happen now are rife – but since it’s for the EU to decide and since we, or indeed the HoC, can do nothing until our Brussels overlords decide later today what to do about Ms May’s letter, they are futile and nothing but hot air. Again.
Should some of you – still – believe that a GE would sort things out, with that nice Mr Corbyn delivered to 10 Downing Street, then I have a warning for you. Mr Corbyn was going to speak with ‘all’ opposition party leaders yesterday afternoon. Ms May pre-empted him by inviting them all for a talk. Mr Corbyn, in a sign of huge political wisdom, walked out of the room when the leader of the TIGs, Mr Chuka Umunna, appeared … a behaviour straight out of playschool but not of a political leader aiming to lead the nation, you will agree.
You also need to know that Ms May was supposed to speak to her own backbenchers, the 1922 Committee. She declined because speaking to the Opposition was apparently far more important.
The contempt the MPs show us, the voters, has often been mentioned. It is obvious to me that Ms May yesterday showed the same contempt to her own MPs and in essence to the opposition MPs as well by blaming the whole House for the dire straits Brexit is in.
Her intransigence is fuelled by her Remain cabinet staff. Nothing could show more clearly that she, like them, are true disciples of the EU, from demanding repeat voting on her WA until the MPs ‘get it right’ to lofty words addressed those those who are powerless to make such decisions.
Telling us that only ‘her deal’ will do, at one minute to midnight, and that it will be the fault of the MPs if it doesn’t happen is a sign of such pigheadedness that it defies belief. A comparison with “Downfall” is trite but sadly apt.
Ms May will have to face the mighty EU leaders later today. They will decide on her plea for an extension to Article 50. Here is the backdrop to Ms May’s humiliation:
“Mr Tusk said that the European Union will grant Theresa May a short extension on the Brexit negotiations but only if the House of Commons backs her Brexit deal in a third ‘meaningful vote’ next week.” (paywalled link)
This is what it means in practice:
“[Ms May] is now pinning her hopes of passing her Brexit deal – and her Premiership – on a third meaningful vote on Tuesday or Wednesday next week. If she fails, as many of her own Cabinet believe she will, Brussels will hold an emergency summit with hours to go before the March 29 deadline and offer either a long extension or a no-deal Brexit. There is growing speculation that either option would spell the end of Mrs May’s time in Downing Street.” (paywalled link)
I don’t know about you, but it makes my blood boil that our PM and by extension Whitehall and the HoC have delivered us into the EU’s clutches to such an extent that we the people have to rely on them if we want to get rid of Ms May!
While it is naive to believe one word Ms May says – words which are probably put in her mouth by Mr Olly Robbins who will accompany her to Brussels today – the following points should be kept in mind. They were made yesterday afternoon to the MSM, by ‘a spokesman’ at 10 Downing Street:
- “The statutory instrument needed to formally delay Brexit until June 30 will be debated over one or two days next week, with votes in the Lords and the Commons.
- Number 10 declined to say if the Cabinet had signed off or been informed of the decision to delay Brexit by three months.
- Number 10 declined to say – under repeated questioning – whether the PM would quit if Britain is forced to stay in the EU for longer than June 30.
- The delay by 3 months will not add any extra to the £39bn bill for leaving the EU as it will form part of the transition period to the end December 2020.” (paywalled link)
It’s an illustration of the mighty minds inside the No 10 bunker ‘at work’, showing the lies which will be fed to us the people so we support Ms May in her last, desperate attempt. To crown it all, a certain Mr William Hague has now created ‘Peak Project Fear’ for Parliament and country:
“Brexit could be overturned by Parliament next week according to a dramatic warning from William Hague, former Foreign Secretary and Conservative Party leader. The House of Commons could do this by voting to revoke the Article 50 EU exit mechanism. If this happens the Government would have to choose between formally revoking the UK’s notification and ignoring a Parliamentary instruction. (link)
There is, of course, one other option: get rid of Ms May, tell the EU where to stick it and fulfil the Law of this country – Leave with “No Deal”. Will some in the Tory Party now find their round dangly objects and do it? Or are they all such craven fools that they prefer the fleshpots of Egypt, ahem, the EU and rather keep us, our whole Nation, in perpetual slavery?
Time will tell …
It’s all happened before and now all happening again:
Please watch & listen to this which is AWESOME by Peter Shore
Brexit 1975 MP Peter Shore attacks Project Fear
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gHIidBgwyTA
Regards,
Brian Cooke UKIP Stroud.
Thank you, Brian –
it’s amazing that the Remainers use the same arguments today which they used 44 years ago. And it’s very odd that today’s Labour politicians have forgotten their Party’s history – or perhaps not: now they also feed from the EU’s troughs.
Britain is in a real crisis now. Whether one is on the Leave side or the Remain side it is clear to the electorate that party divisions are so pronounced that collective decision making and effective government have ground to a halt. Out of the main political parties ( those with MPs in the house ) only the Lib Dems, SNP and DUP have unanimous intent within their ranks regarding Brexit.
Outside of Parliament the factional differences between UKIP and the dormant/nascent Brexit Party mean that if there were to be any general election soon that ‘pure Brexit’ vote would be split between an already small and declining universe.
UKIP’s (official) decision to present itself as a primarily anti-Islam party has catastrophically failed as the vast majority of political ‘faces’, including of course Nigel Farage have fled to the ranks of The Brexit Party, a party which has no members, no infrastructure, no manifesto and no communications strategy. Catherine herself has been (politically rather than physically) assassinated by a well-organised hit team comprised of HnH / The Guardian / Archant newspapers and her political rivals from within our own Brexit ‘community’. The expectation that the alliances of the left would not strike have been proven wrong.
This all means that if there were to be a general election ( I discount EU and Council elections as irrelevant in the current crisis ) there is no grassroots organisation of any value that could compete in any meaningful way with the polished campaigning machines of the Conservatives, LibDems and Labour. Some of our branches are mere shells of what they were even a year ago. Some are defunct.
Forget about either TBP or UKIP winning any seats at all if they compete against each other in any seat. The arithmetic simply does not add up. However to get Nigel ( I assume that if TBP survives it will be Nigel) and Gerard to sit at a table and negotiate makes the Chukka Umanna / Corbyn spat look like a picnic.
But that is what needs to happen. The reality is that a ‘Brexit Coalition’ needs to be seriously considered. I know Gerard has rejected any alliances or deals with any party. I know that Nigel believes his ‘clout and charisma’ will carry with it many votes – despite, and I say this without malice- the fact he has never won a domestic parliamentary seat in 25 years of trying. WE all know, as grassroots members ( of whatever grouping ) , that elections are hard slogs and that messages have to be clear and that numbers and campaigning really matter.
So let’s be frank. UKIP has, at least, an organisation , albeit bruised and public recognition. Nigel has himself, some historic ex UKIP figures and can get on the TV like no other.
To beat the government, and to secure eventual Brexit, there needs to be a universal peacemaker to link the two factions up into a Brexit Alliance. I don’t know who that might be, perhaps some business leader like Richard Tice (?) to knock heads together, pool resources and people and get organised. But there is little time to waste.
Constructive comments please, there is no time to lose.
Kevin
Absolutely right Kevin but will GB listen? I believe that AMW is already receptive to the idea of co-operation. As for NF I believe ego might well prevail over common sense. I have long argued that the Brexit parties need to co-operate but they seem intent of going their separate ways which will hand victory once again to the established parties which have failed us for so long.
Surely so many people have had enough of the shower in government that we can be in with a chance like never before. Some areas of the country would be receptive to an anti Islam candidate but perhaps not UKIP.
I think if the Tory party goes down as I hope it does, the reborn tories Mogg and co may try to crawl up from some other drain using Farage to gain popularity. Then they can start the same old tricks of bamboozling the public with the same old con tricks while they continue to look after the interests of the super-rich. Assuming there’s anything left to salvage and that there’s still any scope for party politics. I hear today that Farage is threatening to split the Tory party. And I’m sure the EU parliament is quaking in its shoes at the thought of another 5 years of Farage !,
M,
My back post show my feelings for mogg / farage from the outset the brexit party is a subsidiary for the ersatz tory party who without doubt are seriously leaking members many
signing up for membership should take this into consideration first.
I am behind Gerard Batten 100 % with friends and allies like farage / AMW you certainly don’t need enemas.
Seems like C Blakelock has been uncovered doing a farage, in regards to UKIP.
Divided we fall … TPTB have got us exactly where they want us. You’re absolutely correct – we really need some messiah to come along and unite the lot of us, including several of the smaller parties. Then we’d have a chance.
But who?
That’s a really good question. We have to be honest and realise that both Nigel and Gerard , despite their skills and experience, which have to be acknowledged , are like Marmite and their supporters are equally partisan. Neither of them can be at the helm. We also do need the smaller parties, including AMW. What do her supporters on this site think to an alliance?
The focus has to be Brexit and not side issues. Don’t give the far-left ammunition. Only after Brexit can factions split if they choose. There is huge historical precedence for this, it’s nothing new.
We have a common enemy.
Divided we fall. The staggering efficiency of the left unites whole parties and media groups alongside organisations like HnH and Momentum despite often quite disparate political standpoints . That coordination leads to them having the upper hand. Believe me, they are winning. We are at Dunkirk.
An ideal candidate for ‘Peacemaker’ would probably need to be a well known face and perhaps not a politician and someone who is charismatic and popular for reasons outside of their politics. I don’t suppose Michael Caine – a keen Brexiteer – fancies the job, but you get the picture.
The essential thing is to have a summit, and the will to talk, which could be as simple as a chinwag in a pub between Nigel Gerard and AMW in Westminster next Friday. That’ll scare the pants off the Tories.
But if we are divided, we could lose our country.
Could Independence Daily offer to act as a mediator? Get all the leaders of the different Brexit movements/parties together and see whether they could form a temporary alliance until Brexit is delivered..
Yes, of course. If we can find a figurehead under whom we could muster all the smaller parties, I’d certainly be happy to contact them.
We need a figurehead who is well known as the face of the group but we also need someone with the necessary organisational ability to manage it. The two rarely go together in my experience.
Well put Kevin. Meanwhile there is a Remain petition going to Parliament which has ,already, gathered almost one million signatures
And where is the Leave side petition to counteract this ? ; well there isn`t one . When you think about it ,it is a wonder we managed to win the referendum when Leave was so disorganised ,as it is now .
The ‘Remain’ petition was launched on 20 August 2018 and runs for six months … err … That’s The Establishment keeping it open – you can still sign it.
The ‘Leave’ petition is https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963 and you can sign it, but as with all Parliamentary petitions, you have to confirm your e-mail address when a message is sent to you. If you don’t receive a confirmation e-mail (as I didn’t) who am I to say The Establishment is putting a spanner in the works?
Just got a reply. Apparently I have already signed this petition. Well, I can try…!
Think the remain petition is very suspicious. Possibly lots of students creating email accounts all day and hackers from around the world. Not to worry i expect the Electoral commission will come down on any irregularities like a ton of bricks…oh hold on..possibly not.
MUN,
It stinks to high heavens.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963 The site is down for maintenance at the moment.
Unfortunately, the remain media are more public than our own
They even have posters on Tubes and buses advertising political events. It was my understanding that political and religious advertising on public transport services was against the law.. Seems the establishment are a bit like the eu and turn a blind eye when it suits them.
I think we also have a Democrats and Veterans party? I quite agree with your comment on working together. There are circa 408 leave constituencies up for the taking, more than enough for a Government coalition in the first term with sufficient MPs from all three..
They must take this one golden opportunity and bury any differences and not compete against each other. Otherwise, they will all fail, let the Liblabcons back in and they will just fade into a failed history. That would be an ultimate betrayal of our people and country
I have just selected a dozen or so small parties out of the Electoral Commission’s list. They might be in a position to co-operate with us. I now have their contact details on a database.
I have also contacted Sir Michael Caine to see if he will champion our cause.
Anyone else have any ideas who might be the messiah?
John Cleese and Liz Hurley. Both Brexiteers
If you get Liz Hurley I’ll be happy to be her personal assistant…..
Done.
Colonel Richard Kemp
Can I suggest Lord Digby Jones.
I completely agree. You put it well. Keep plugging along . Someone at HQ might notice and read. I often wonder if we have the same advisers Paul Nuttall had. Poor sod. It wouldnt surprise me. They must be cheap. They’re probably now bin men.
Constructive. I have been trying to do that for 9 years..They want to be superheroes themselves They cannot listen. There is too much in the way. and they have no idea.They’re babes in arms.
Watch this pretty comprehensive analysis of how we are now stitched up and tell me where it’s wrong . . . long but worth it:
https://youtu.be/IE9gTCuuImc
Brexit Specials – The Money Where You Mouth Is Voting
*paddypower
Withdrawal Agreement 3rd Meaningful Vote to pass (Void if no vote before 30-03-19)
21 Mar 19 00.01 hrs No 1/2 Yes 6/4
21 Mar 19 11.00 hrs No 1/3 Yes 2/1
Will there be a 3rd Meaningful Vote before 30-03-2019?
Yes 2/9 No 11/4
*Ladbrokes
Deal NOT Approved 1/2 Deal Approved 6/4
UK To Leave EU With No Brexit Deal Before 1st April 2019
21 Mar 19 00.01 hrs 3/1
21 Mar 19 11.00 hrs Deal NOT Approved 1/2 Deal Approved 6/4
Please listen to this superb video and forward it to your MP’s ASAP before it’s too late!!!
Tony Benn on the EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQY2CHx4d3U
He puts it perfectly.
Thanks,
Brian Cooke UKIP Stroud
Thank you for posting this Brian, I had never seen it before and I would guess over 90 0/0 of the British population are also ignorant of this vital piece of historical information, he truly shows how dirty and evil the whole operation if not the concept of the EU actually is.
I would also thank you for this edition of YouTube having taken me to a wonderful speech from George Galloway made at one of Nigel,s GO rallies called to muster support for GO to be made the official referendum campaign.
I won,t dwell on the speech except to say kit was the most relevant in expressing reasons why we should leave and exposing again the EVIL of the EU.
I was also interested in the shots of the audience who gave it a standing ovation at the end, I was pleased to see such an obvious cross section of all ages of the public and so obviously couples together, it gives the lie to the charge that grass roots are a divided heedless rabble unrepresentative of true ELITE poseurs I.e. Those who really know what,s good for us; in fact nothing.
Again a very hearty thank you Brian
This speech at the Oxford Union by Peter Shore MP is in my view the greatest one ever made about the EU, it was two days before the 1975 referendum. It was televised live and reinforced my decision to vote NO to the question – Do you think that the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoO6146qM5g
Yes, we the people certainly have ‘had enough’ of MPs’ procrastination and determination to thwart the will of the people which was clearly expressed at the Brexit referendum in 2016.
We demand Brexit NOW – and we are still willing to wait until next Friday, 29 March 2019. But no longer.
I’ll try and keep you updated with info from ‘sources’ as they appear in the papers. Here’s the first one, giving you an idea of what is on the menu:
“European Union leaders are expected to reject Theresa May’s request to extend Brexit up to June 30 and impose a shorter May 22 exit date on Britain instead at today’s EU summit in Brussels.
The shorter extension, which must be approved by all remaining 27 member states, is to avoid any political or legal complications that could be caused by a clash with the European Parliament elections on May 23-26.“Since the UK intends to not hold European Parliament elections”, a senior EU source said, “The EU will reply only in the short term.”The extension will also be made conditional on the House of Commons passing Theresa May’s Brexit deal in a third ‘meaningful vote’ next week.If the deal falls, Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, has said he could hold an emergency summit on Thursday March 28, the day before the March 29 Brexit deadline. That summit is likely to result in a long extension with Britain forced to field MEPs in the European Parliament elections. The Electoral Commission has set an April 11 deadline for the prime minister to say whether or not the UK will hold elections.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/21/brexit-latest-newstheresa-may-appeal-eu-leaders-time-article/
A right pair. Just been caught coming out of a hotel door together.
And Jean Claude wondering if he’s got his underpants back on the right way.
When Israel was in Egypt’s land
(let my people go)
Opressed so hard they could not stanf
(let my people go)
Go down, Moses, way down in Egypt’s land
Tell old Pharaoh,
Let my people go.
Yup – but remember how the Israelites, once they were in the desert, wanted to turn back to the ‘fleshpots of Egypt’. Are our Remainers, from May and the MPs down to the MSM, any better? Are they not selling us out for a bowl of pottage? That bowl reserved exclusively for themselves?
Folkie night tonight. The other song that occurs to me is ‘Parcel of Rogues’, a heartfelt description of the lairds who sold their country to a foreign power for gold.
Google “Imlach parcel of rogues” and see how even after two hundred years those who put self, career and money above country and kin are despised.
“We’re bought and sold, for Soros gold…”
JF
10 out of 10 +1 for neatness!
Watching Theresa May, lie through her teeth and smiling face on TV was gut wrenching. And she is backed in her lies by most MPs and WORST OF ALL a compliant, Brussels loving media, they are the biggest enemy of the people. And what are we doing about it? I’m running more poster truck ‘attacks’ around the country, thanks tom generous donations from very good people but it’s not enough.
To the adjectives describing May (treasonous, lying) must surely be added “insane”.
Boris keeping his powder dry? is another headline, may be a good idea if someone told us when a ‘prime minister’ took the powers of a President and why this high jack of our parliamentary system has been allowed to happen along with the trashing of the British Constitution.
Still voters were warned by two conservatives sometime ago that ‘they’ were going to unleash ‘ chaos’ so no surprise then.
On the subject of ‘voters’ I met one this week who had no idea what the yellow vest protest was about in France and was quite surprised to hear from me that it had been going on for 18 weeks, that’s the level of BBC and the main stream media brainwashing has on the masses,
as you say WTF has happened to the people of this country?
In my opinion there was never going to be a ‘deal’ with the EU.
Because the EU is far too pompous and confident of their own superiority, power and importance. Democracy is not their strong point and they have only one agenda. That agenda comes first, second and third.
The EU has become a fascist Fourth Reich. No other description I can think of suits this entity better.
This post-modern era of Europe is most certainly a step backwards in the history of European social and political development.
How does that basic conclusion of EU character and intent manifest through the political turmoil of our country?
To invest too much respect and give too much credit to our MPs is, I believe, one of the biggest mistakes made in UK politics. The British public have been lazy and negligent. Now we have a majority of MPs who do not love and respect UK Sovereignty, our Sovereignty.
Perhaps the Tony Benns of this country can realise that one cannot destroy sovereignty but can shift its residence.
Sovereignty can be transferred to a place out of the reach of the electorate. It is purely a question of ownership.
There is only one solution to this problem and it is a problem that will not ‘go away’.
The most worrying factor, again, in my opinion, is that many of the UK public have been taken in, or should I say propagandised by the idea that we cannot have and flourish with our own Independence.
I would like to think that the pantomime we have all been subjected to has drawn enough attention to make those deluded people rethink their allegiances, make the apathetic open their eyes to what they are losing, make the corrupt realise that they will be better off working within a free society and make the timorous shout aloud,
“Give us back our Democracy, Now!”
“The British public have been lazy and negligent” This is real heart of the problem. Every generation has to fight to uphold the democracy it does not look after itself. We must drain the Westminster and Whitehall swamp to save our democracy.
Jake Bennett, I agree with you. The only problem is that by the time we have managed to drain the swamp it will be too damned late; the damage will already be done and the wreckers in today’s Parliament will have sloped off in triumph.