It is so predictable: anything anti-Brexit gets the full attention of the MSM, especially if it’s about thwarting Johnson. Anything that puts the EU in a bad light isn’t worth mentioning. Above all, anything that could in any way be interpreted as ‘optimistic’ get’s the ‘it can’t be done’ treatment from ‘experts’.
Let me start with that last item. This is about the parallel trade talks Johnson is planning to hold with the USA and the EU:
“ Johnson is preparing to kickstart trade talks with both the US and EU within weeks of Brexit, it emerged last night. The Prime Minister will set out his vision for the country’s future in a major speech at the start of next month. He is also expected to publish a detailed set of position papers outlining the Government’s priorities for post-Brexit trade.” (link)
And what is wrong with that, one might well ask! Well, according to RemainCentral there’s this, for starters:
“There is concern in Downing Street that, with the EU talks being led by the Cabinet Office and the American talks being run by the Department for International Trade, there is a danger of mixed messages and confusion. […]Downing Street is under pressure from the European Research Group of Tory MPs to give priority to a trade deal with the US. Both Iain Duncan Smith and the faction’s leader, Steve Baker, have publicly urged Mr Johnson to strike a deal before this year’s US presidential elections in November.” (link, paywalled)
“Concern in Downing Street” – oh? We’re not even told this comes from ‘sources’ … but hey, get a swipe at the ERG in, to show that parallel trade talks are obviously of the devil! There’s worse. In an article ‘explaining’ the various concerns to its readers, Remain Central makes these points:
“As Britain takes back control of an independent trade policy for the first time in four decades, some industry leaders and experts have queried the strategy behind quickly launching negotiations with the two of the world’s most formidable negotiating powers. There are questions surrounding Whitehall’s capacity to launch talks with Washington and Brussels, alongside mooted negotiations with Wellington, Canberra and continued discussions with countries who hold trade deals with the EU like Japan and Canada. “Nobody else has ever done this before,” said one seasoned negotiator. “There’s a reason for that.” (link, paywalled)
Note well: it’s ‘some industry leaders and experts’ and a ‘seasoned negotiator’ – we’re not told if this is a government negotiator or an ‘industry’ negotiator. We’re not told which industries these industry leaders represent, we’re not told what these ‘experts’ are expert in. But the message is clear: since nobody has been doing this before, it obviously can’t be done.
It doesn’t occur to all those ‘experts’ that the reason nobody has done this before is that no nation has left the EU before. This is new territory. Instead of being courageous and looking for the best possibilities, those ‘experts’ are setting the tone for a new version of Project Fear: poor little Britain is incapable of doing anything for themselves and ‘we Remainiacs have told you before that Brexit can’t be done’.
The input from the EU also had to be mentioned in that RemainCentral ‘Analysis’. This is important because it shows the obstacles the EU is planning to put into our way:
“EU negotiators are also sanguine about the threat of the US making a ‘better offer’ to the UK. They point out that any trade deal will have to be ratified by the Democrat controlled House of Representative that is far less concerned about getting a quick deal with the UK. The Democrats are worried about the Johnson government’s plan for Northern Ireland. Unless any trade deal with the US satisfies Dublin it is unlikely to be ratified.” (link, paywalled)
How does the EU know that ‘the Democrats’ are worried? No matter … but see the reference to Dublin – and inevitably Dublin is putting their oar in. See this:
“EU chiefs could use the Irish border in a bid to strong-arm Boris Johnson into signing up to close-knit post-Brexit relationship with Brussels, Ireland’s deputy prime minister today hinted.” (link)
We already know that the EU won’t start any trade talks before March at the earliest, thanks to the reports by our friends at facts4eu which we quoted last week. The reason for that, as told to the DT by the EU spokesman Mr Mamer, is deliciously typical:
“Mr Mamer said negotiations will be started “as quickly as we can […] This is not a slowing down or speeding up of the process. This is simply the nature of the institutional process and the consultations that need to take place before the negotiation directives can be formally adopted,” he said.” (paywalled link)
This is the more gentle version of the bureaucrats’ mantra: ‘it can’t be done so therefore it won’t be done’. However, one issue is well on its way to being done: punishment! The Express – who seems to be the only UK paper with a working EU correspondent – reports:
“Brussels is plotting to block UK access to EU markets or impose crippling fines if Boris Johnson breaks the terms of any post-Brexit trade deal, diplomats have warned.” (link)
This ‘judicial’ punishment scheme is well advanced, as the following quotes show. It’s important. given the amendments voted for in the HoL yesterday (see below). Note that the EU puts this in place before trade talks have even started, to make it part of those talks:
“Brussels wants to prevent UK companies becoming more competitive than their EU counterparts by diverging from the bloc’s rulebook. […] Listing plans for a potential ultimatum, the bloc will seek to impose the maximum sanction if the UK “does not pay within one month or pay but still fails to comply after six months”. (link)
Read this as ‘we don’t know what we’re going to punish you for, but punish you we will’. And this is how the EU envisages that scheme:
“An EU source told Express.co.uk Brussels could seek to punish the UK in separate areas for the breach of any terms. This could include the bloc withdrawing market access for the City of London if the Government refuses to honour any future fisheries agreement. The document […] states “parts of any other EU-UK agreement” can be targeted to settle disputes.” (link)
Negotiating in good faith looks different to me, but then, what do I know, I’m only a peasant …! And so to our ‘noble Lords’ … The MSM are crowing that this was the first defeat for Johnson’s government. The underlying hope of our Remain Lords is that this will slow down the ratification of the Bill and thus perhaps even stop us from officially leaving on the 31st of this month. Non-paywalled reports are here and here. There were in fact three amendments the noble Remain Lords voted for. One is this:
“Members of the Lords voted 270 to 229 in favour of a change put forward by the Liberal Democrats which would give eligible European Union citizens in the UK an automatic right to remain in the country after Brexit, rather than having to apply to the Government to do so. This would also ensure they are given physical proof of their right to remain, while the Government has said only that people will be given a “secure digital status” which links to their passport” (link)
Has it occurred to those ignoble Lords that they are thus making EU citizens into 2nds class citizens who have to produce a paper (!) to show that they ‘have the right’ to stay? If one group of residents has to produce a paper – why not extend this to other, non-EU immigrants? And why, in the end, not have a general requirement for all UK residents to produce an ID card? Thin edge of the wedge, isn’t it!
The other amendments were in regard to the judiciary:
“Peers voted by 241 to 205 – a majority of 36 – to remove the power of ministers to decide which courts should have the power to depart from judgments of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) and by reference to what test. A third defeat then followed, as peers backed a move by Tory former lord chancellor Lord Mackay of Clashfern to allow cases to be referred to the Supreme Court to decide whether to depart from EU case law. Voting on this amendment was 206 to 186 – majority 20 – as peers warned against interference in the independence of the judiciary.”(link)
You won’t be surprised at all when you see that one of the Lords supporting these amendments was Lord Pannick – he who acted for the fragrant Gina Miller – scroll down here.
The point of all these separate items is that Remain hasn’t given up at all and that, from ‘noble Lords’ to ‘industry experts’ to Dublin and to Brussels, they are now shifting their Brexit war to the minutiae of negotiations in the hope that we peasants, thick as we are, don’t understand what they’re on about.
Remain hopes that we won’t pay attention, that we’ll be getting bored, that many Brexiteers are going to go away after the 31st of January, believing that it’s ‘job done’.
They hope that, come the 31st of December, they’ll have managed to keep us In. I hope you see now that my cry for staying vigilant is not a facile slogan – and that we must, simply must
KBO!
Sod the EU!!! I have a simple policy….buy British produce (bless Tom Simmons in Cornwall growing a lovely range of green veg). I eschew anything from European growers. If it isn’t in season in Britain I can do without it!
The House of Ignoble Lords was handcrafted in its. current form by Bliar due to his inferiority complex about the aristocracy! They are now the biggest lot of shysters ever. Shut the place down and revert to the old system of hereditary Lords. There weren’t so many of them so the instant savings in attendance allowance would be well worth having!
The EU is trying the old medieval siege mentality stuff. They think they can ‘blockade’ us! Don’t give them our fish. Let’s eat it ourselves. We can grow and eat our own fruit and veg as well. Sounds OK to me!!!!
I have not read any replies nor read the full text. But full id in the UK should be welcomed. See this for e.g.https://www.facebook.com/BBCCymruWales/videos/599756583931487/UzpfSTEwMDAwMDExOTk5NTUzMDozOTYyNDMxMzUwNDM3NDky/ an id card may be of some help!
Who really cares what the mainstream media prints these days. I purchased the Daily Mail today with its wall to wall coverage of the Prince Harry and Meghan saga, one page after the other of utter tripe. Boring, boring, boring. They have both washed their hands of Britain and gone abroad, that the end of it. Providing the tax payer is not subsidising their life in any way shape or form, that should be the end of it. Nothing about Brexit bad or otherwise kin that paper that I saw. This country is leaving the European Union on Friday 31st January 2020 and Boris Jonson has an 80 seat majority in the House of Commons. It matter not now what they write or don’t write about the subject. The ‘remain’ argument has been resoundingly defeated, and anyone or any paper that thinks different is not living in the real world. It was reported on in paper today that the European Commission will delay the trade negotiations until March 2020. This is one of many signs that they are not going to play ball with an independent United Kingdom. The prime minister will hopefully tell them to go and take a hike, and leave the European Union on WTO Rules, without paying them a single penny more, and before the ludicrous deadline date of 31st December 2020.
The problem is usually in the house of Commons trying to corrupt the HoL by filling it with politicions. . The effect of this is to warp the power of politicians int HoL, thus reducing the power of all the other branches of the constitution for example, The Actual Lords but als the Church, The Armed forces, The Judges, and all the others. The more that politicians can interfere in all these appointments ( the constitution, ), the more powerful the PM and MPs become.
So be very,very,very sure you know what you’re talking about, But at least warn against not knowing. Like me ! But basically it is not complicated . It is Grannies rules. So not bloody silly complicated by written rules leading to government by lawyers , or silly complicated leading to gov’t by Ayotollahs , or Ditto Army ,or ditto by Civil servants
The Constitutional Monarch, DIVIDES AND RULES. if she/he can. If HE or SHE cannot, because of our ignorance WE’RE ALL DOOMED.
Sorry about that.
The house of lords was designed by men infinitely cleverer than us to be a stabilising influence and a second debate chamber from a seperate perspective, to thrash out the really bad bits. In spite of the incredible foolishness of many members, they can sometimes stumble onto truths nobody normal ( Dominic Cummins) would see. Don’t knock it.
I wish more countries had even part as good a system. Although some seem to be fumbling their way. But there are many many failures.
If you want to worry, then the most urgent worry is the Political Aspect. they now corrupt/appoint:- their own MPs ( Parachuting ), executive, Civil Servants, Judges, Generals, Bank, HoL, and on and on corrupting. It HAS to be reversed starting with the most blatant:- Parachuting.
And as for ukip.
So root and branch change then.
Individually they’re all small transgressions, and singly, they’re obvious and what’s to argue. Easy. etc. It’s just maintenance.
How about an independent assessment panel being set up, perhaps drawn from members of the public, like a jury?
I , Debbie, that 650 of them already know, but hope it’ll go away.
How about simply repeal the act that brought the fake Lords in. At least we’d get Viscount Monkton pontificating on climate and getting the rabble in Parliament risible in attempting to refute him!
York would be delicious retribution. Difficult to travel to, difficult to travel round. Very inconvenient for the usual pop in, sign up, taxi running, allowance claiming days. Bring it on.
The ‘noble ‘ peers are in the spotlight again, more theatre for the MSM , who like the peers can’t see the writing on the wall, or it seems smell the coffee.
THE CHARGE OF THE PEERS.
Into the city of York ride the 800
Forward the peers was the cry
Don’t stint on the travel and Charge your expenses
As Into the city of York you ride
Forward the peers was the cry
Was anyone dismayed
Not that the prime minister knew
One of their number has blundered
Said his aide de camp
But not to reason why
Their’s but to do and comply
So Into the city of York ride the 800.
Forward the peers was the cry
When will their glory fade
caused by the wild charges they’ll claim
When the Now Less noble 800
Remain on the gravy train
So into the city of York ride 800.
Norman. 01.20
Nice one!
We don’t need a trade deal they can stick their ‘trade’ where the sun don’t shine!
Dick R – it’s not said often enough that we don’t NEED a trade deal in order to escape. The door’s open – we should just walk through.
It seems we’re being encouraged, whipped up, by our government to rejoice and make merry with great abandon on 31 January, so that we’ll sit back afterwards and not notice through the rest of the year that nothing has changed, and that our money will still be pouring in the EU’s ever-gaping maw.
Hear Hear Dick. The more bully and bluster EU spout the more it becomes clear that there is absolutely no point in attempting to negotiate any trade deal. 8 months is it? That is too long. Let’s hope we walk away before then. NO CONCESSIONS ON ANYTHING. Then brexit will be done.
In our attempt to free ourselves from the rule of unelected officials in the EU we are now encountering, yet again, interference by our own unelected House of Lords. Time this archaic anachronism was either abolished or radically reformed to make it accountable to the electorate. It’s too big, too expensive and totally unrepresentative.
The Lords was filled with EU placemen by Blair and later Cameron.
Good point DICK R. In fact it was OVER filled, wasn’t it. Now that seems to me the best way to reform it if possible. Frederica has suggested returning to the Hereditary Peers only. If we can do it that sounds ok. One good thing though – all those REMAINER amendments are expected to disappear in time for 31/1/20.
So, Von der Leech (http://dictionary.sensagent.com/Leyen/en-en/) insists that 11 months won’t be enough time for a trade deal and then delays talks just to ensure that indeed it won’t be enough time: hmmm!
In the meantime have a look at this video, I haven’t had enough time to have a really close look at it, I’ve been really busy, but it seems very relevant: I’d be interested to know what you think?
“Understanding The Fabian Window”
https://youtu.be/s9oqgQ16qc8
Lololool . Van der Leech!!!!! lolololol. 🙂
This is not pie and the sky. It is very real. One only has to look at what’s happening in Communist China and what they are doing outside China to realise this. Take their latest project for example. South Africa. Cape Sea Route, a treasure trove of minerals, an established military industrial complex.
An excellent video well worth watching. I have often wondered how much the writings of Huxley and Orwell were being used as a manual for government. Their collective preening presently going on at Davos just reinforces their “do as I say, not as I do” attitude. We need change but the policies of the opposition in the UK would undoubtedly bankrupt our country rather quickly.