Sweden has shown their politicians: disregard the grassroots at your peril
The main news this morning is the lying-in-state of the Queen, accompanied by reports of the transfer of her coffin from Buckingham Palace to Westminster Hall, with photos of the people walking past to pay their respect (link). This also applies to the online editions.
For the record, two reports in the DT deserve honorary mention. One is about Gordon Brown and the current Scottish Secretary, titled:
“BBC ‘politicising’ coverage of Queen Elizabeth’s death is ‘outrageous’ – Gordon Brown and the Scottish Secretary angry over report saying King Charles’s reign could be defined by ‘eventual dissolution of the UK” (paywalled link)
The BBC eminently deserves this criticism, not least because Auntie politicises everything, as we all know. Nothing new there, and no politician is ‘outraged’ or angry about that. However, for once enough was enough
“Alan Little, a special correspondent, alleged that Scotland had grown apart from the rest of the UK and speculated it could separate during the new King’s reign in a report about the extraordinary events that day in Edinburgh.” (paywalled link)
I can already hear the reply from the BBC: this correspondent is entitled to his own opinion. However, there’s a time and place for everything. This, as well as the demand for dissolving the Monarchy altogether, is not something to be displayed at a time and place where thousands upon thousands are paying their respect to the late Queen. It’s nothing to do with ‘Free Speech’, it’s to do with good manners and simple courtesy, asking that one ought not to offend those who are mourning just because one wants to peacock one’s own opinion.
I don’t know if the headline for the sketch by Quentin Letts in The Times was written by himself or by The Times editors. Contrary to the sketch, it encapsulates what anyone has observed who has been watching the reports on the Queen’s coffin transported from Balmoral to Edinburgh, on to London and now Westminster Hall: “Crowds need no protocol to be moved by death’s majesty” (link, paywalled).
Just so, but again, the Westminster ‘elite’, including the Whitehall mandarins, have shown their ignorance and deep distrust of us, the people. This is underlined in a report in the DT, about the fact that the Royal Train wasn’t used to convey the Queen’s coffin to London:
“Plans were in place which would have allowed vast swathes of the nation to wave farewell to the Queen as her coffin passed by train along 400 miles of track between Edinburgh Waverley station and St Pancras, in central London. And yet on Tuesday evening, Her Majesty’s coffin was loaded on to an RAF C17 Globemaster, a workhorse logistics aircraft, and flown over the heads of the population to land at RAF Northolt on the outskirts of the capital.” (paywalled link)
Apparently, and as per usual, nobody can be blamed, ‘authorities’ hiding behind ‘concerns’:
“Just why the Royal Train was left sidelined and in the sidings has turned into a blame game, with no authority willing to put their head above the parapet and admit who canned it and why. But the Telegraph has pieced together a chain of bureaucratic events which suggests that a risk-averse culture, accelerated by the Covid-19 pandemic, prompted a u-turn. Largely on grounds of health and safety and security worries, and over fears Britain’s hapless rail network would struggle to cope, the Royal Train’s role in the funeral was quietly shelved two years ago.” (paywalled link)
Thanks to these ‘health & safety & security’ worries, thousands of people have now gone to London. Thousands of others have lined the motorways, stopping their cars and standing at the central division, to pay their respects, even in the dark. How ‘safe’ was that?
It’s not just here in the UK where ‘authorities’ and governments are so far removed from the people that they simply no longer understand their vital concerns. In case you missed it, there were elections in Sweden this past Sunday. With the votes now finally all counted, the Sweden Democrats have become the largest Party in what The Times calls ‘the right-wing bloc’ which will now form the government, ousting the long-reigning left, to the dismay of the reporter who at least mentions why the Swedes voted as they did:
“The outcome was a historic political shift in the traditionally liberal nation amid a surge in support for the Sweden Democrats, a party with neo-Nazi roots. […] The Sweden Democrats rode public concern over a rise in fatal shootings and gang violence in which innocent bystanders have been caught in the crossfire, including one case last month in which a young mother and her five-year-old son were injured by stray bullets during a shooting in the central city of Eskilstuna.” (link, paywalled)
There’s an accompanying opinion piece with yet another click-bait title:
“Rise of the hard right shatters Sweden’s dream – Angered by violent crime and unchecked immigration, one in five voters backed a party with a recent Nazi past” (link, paywalled).
After the expected hand-wringing, we read at the end of this comment piece:
“The common theme is the arrogance of too many centre-left, ultra-liberals who will not listen to even mild concerns about uncontrolled immigration or greening the economy so fast the lights go out. This result in Sweden is not about voters taking some wild swing to the right or being fooled by demagoguery. They have responded perfectly rationally to fundamental changes to society and policy failures.” (link, paywalled)
Might we hope that a similar, dispassionate analysis will be applied to us British voters? After all, here as well there are too many ‘centre-left, ultra-liberals’ who will not nor ever have listened to our concerns. This selective deafness, accompanied by ‘we know better’ and the denigration of ‘extreme far right’ views on immigration, has been going on for years.
We see the result today: thousands crossing the Channel in their dinghies, being ‘housed’ in hotels in towns, costing the taxpayer millions of £££. Apparently, young voters have also supported this ‘right bloc’, disregarding green policies:
“There’s another corrective, for those who believe the media myth of the Greta generation. Early data suggests younger voters went right, on the back of fears about crime. If voters aged 18-29 had their way, the conservative margin of victory would have been large. Sweden hasn’t gone mad. It is changing, hopefully not before it’s too late.” (link, paywalled)
‘Too late’ for what? To stop the inevitable crime wave when lights go out because of the energy crisis? And what about our own, turquoise government and ‘green’ MSM? Will they learn the Swedish lesson, not just in regard to immigration but on green policies as well? Will we have to wait until winter when blackouts are threatening? Will we have to wait until the lights go out on the continent, with consequences for our country such as supply-chain disruptions?
When will our government stop taking us for granted while distrusting us so much that they resort to governing by nudge and propaganda, to implement their disastrous policies? Above all – when will they see reason and scrap Net Zero and all those ‘green’ surcharges on our energy bills?
Warning bells ought to ring in No 10 and the Westminster bubble when even the young in a liberal country like Sweden have had enough, despite having been indoctrinated all their lives to accept lefty-greenie policies. Will they alter their disastrous course? I’m not holding my breath though …
UKIP. Maths, Stats, Measurement. Data. Mass Spread Transfer Control/Manipulation etc. of Communications. The Science must have this sorted into Practicalities by now. And Those with the power will be using them. The only hope was that that the establishment weren’t capable. However.
The takeover of UKIP. by the Tories shows an understanding of this, or maybe just instinctive treachery. Or ( Worst case ) planned evil collusion with BBC. and other institutions, as well as individuals.
The population thinks UKIP is a centre right party. .. It’s real job is to copy slightly different Tories with the help of their Leaders.
Ridiculous that we fall for it.? Does anyone else think this likely ?
To Jake at 8.17 pm –
I have obviously failed to make my point. FIRST, FIRST, FIRST the leaders and committees of these small parties need to COMBINE to make ONE right wing party. Then proceed with combined branch offices, fund raising, powerful campaigns, credible candidates – and voter interest, and VOTES. While they are all small , and competing against each other as well as against every other party, nothing.
SNP win in Scotland because all the other parties divide the counter-SNP vote, leaving SNP to win. The Brexit Party should have had MPs now, if, when Nigel withdrew his candidates from Tory seats, Johnson had been honorable and withdrawn Tory candidates from unwinnable seats, thereby encouraging Tory voters to vote Brexit. But I guess Johnson wanted to have no Brexit MPs pushing for a proper Brexit, so he spat on Nigel’s proffered hand.
It’s all a question, not of tactics, but of strategy. While the fringes are fragmented they will continue to fail, and we will hope in vain for even a chance of something better.
To compare the Brexit Party with the kind of pro -Brit’ party’ we need today is not helpful. TBP was a one issue party put together for one purpose only with most of its activists and those who voted for it knowing this. TBP was hugely funded by a rich donor to achieve that purpose, it didn’t even have membership or established branches if my mind serves me correctly. It wasn’t put together to replace the Tory Party it was put together to deliver Brexit.
I truly wish the current challenger parties would amalgamate but I believe that is more likely to occur if those who claim to be ‘pro-Brit’ and are genuinely concerned about the future of these Islands become members, become active, get some visibility, get some momentum and then, at that point, the members need to put pressure on the executive to amalgamate to form one party on which to proceed to the next stage.
Jake…..I agree with everything that you have written here with regard to The Brexit Party now called Reform UK. However, activists, that’s a laugh there weren’t any, certainly none that you could contact. I was a constituency campaigns organiser with TBP and wasn’t even allowed access to the list of registered supporters for my constituency so that we could recruit potential activists. The party’s administration was organised centrally, and I was told that I didn’t need to know who the supporters were and had to rely on them to make contact with me. It really was a laughable way to run a political party as they had no idea whatsoever, and how they expected us to run a general election campaign on that basis I do not know. Me and our parliamentary candidate with the help of a few former UKIP activists had to do everything. In hindsight none of us should left UKIP to get in line with TBP and should have stayed and tried to reform UKIP from within, but time was not on our side and UKIP had been taken over by idiots and we needed a political platform, any political platform to make an instant impact, and The Brexit Party at the time, was that vehicle. After we left the European Union with a half baked Trade Deal in 2020. The Brexit Party/Reform UK lost a lot of good people who former UKIP activists and election candidates, and they lost them for good. Now, I would not waste the time of day on Reform UK as they are a spent force in every conceivable way and many of their former MEP’s have left the party and gone off in various directions.
So, Charles has already confirmed that he is a supporter of, if not a member of, the enemy within. He really should be taking the side of “his” people against the globalist / globalist supporting factions.
In reply to Stout; seems to be some issues with the site this evening.
Once again the proposal to vote for (maybe) up-and-coming right wing but currently-fringe parties has appeared below. Until these parties get together, get organised and iron out minor differences AND COMBINE, voters will not credit them with viability, will not vote for them. So we will continue with Lib/Lab/Con/Green + disproportionally over-represented SNP for an indefinite future, partly from inbuilt prejudices and traditions and a bit of stupidity, but also because voters cannot see a practical alternative. So a very large section don’t even bother to vote. If the non-voters could be persuaded that it was worth while to vote – for a viable pro-Brit party – then things could change, but not until ….
With respect we cannot have a visible nationwide ‘pro-Brit’ party that the voters will consider lending their vote to until a nationwide branch network is in place. Meanwhile the ‘pro-Brit’ parties that do exist need membership money just to cover the basic outgoings in order to become visible. With visibility comes the potential of attracting donor money also. We must give the challenger parties support to get off the ground now or there may not be any challenger parties left to amalgamate in the near future to become the nationwide ‘pro Brit’ party you allude to.
My thoughts exactly.
Well, well. Didn’t take long. In his call from Macron, Charles committed to working with him on the protection of the climate and the planet. As Guido comments, “the King seems to be under the illusion that his environmental ideas are non-political”. I’d rather he focused on the protection of the monarchy which requires him to stop meddling and pipe down.
Concerning the very apt bit at the bottom regarding an electoral warning, this could happen in just over two years time, if Truss and her government don’t get their act together pretty damn quickly. The omens are not good I feel. The British Bill of Rights has been kicked into the long grass has it not, which was going to be used in an attempt to overrule the ECHR and send illegal migrants to Rwanda etc. And what is going to be done to replace this bit of legislation instead I ask. Is there a Plan Bor is it a Plan C where nothing is done at all. Perhaps she will do the right thing and take this country out of the ECHR mechanism altogether, that would be the obvious solution and deterrent to the thousands crossing the English Channel at present. However we have heard precious little since, and there she was promising to hit the ground running prior to her election. We need a credible right of centre alternative to vote for, and at the moment it doesn’t seem to exist. I still live in hope that Nigel Farage will come to our rescue, but if he doesn’t come up to the footplate, the nearest alternative in my opinion could be David Kurten and the Heritage Party but at the moment it lacks a bit of oomph.
So far as I am able to comment – wouldn’t it be great if the U.K. did follow Sweden’s example.
Sweden certainly did better over Covid19 than any other country in Europe. Now they are showing sense over immigration and green blobbery.
If only Pauline but I expect they will continue to trash our country on any excuse.
And now for something off thread
Was just watching John Cleese discussing “Creativity” and Wokeism`s lack of it and it`s attitude
and he came up with what I thought was, a deft definition
re attitude
“They are literally sitting there with the thrill of being offended”
He also spoke about the attitude of Business people to “Creativity”
He said they are basically only interested in “CONTROL” which to me, infers the antithesis of Creativity
(The reason this particularly resonated with me at this moment , was because I was reflecting on the recent sacking of Scholar from the Treasury and the recent analysis of those anti – creative traits by Matthew Lynn which I drew attention to in “comments” yesterday and the day before.)
He also came up with another comment which I thought was quite sage
He said ” 80% of people in charge don`t know what they are doing”
but also “they had no idea of what they were doing”
and even worse
“they had no idea, that they had no idea of what they were doing”
“They don`t even know they `need` to know”
Doesn`t that for instance just describe the whole who-ha of the mess of Carbon Zero, the fact that the strategy or absence of it , of maintaining carbon`s total exclusion might conceivably have consequences in supply substitutes for fossil fuels, their unconstant availability ( Lack of wind and sun at inconvenient periods) the shortage of battery making materials, or even the possibility of lack of supply(say gas and Oil) by a malevolent despot etc.etc.etc.??????
That to me, covers both supposed leaders and experts not knowing what they are doing and their dedication to control at the expense of using their imagination and approaching life and all its problems with creativity.
I hope Lizz Truss studies at the school of John Cleese, she could do well y opening the closed minds of those around her!
(Oh Boris! perhaps he had too much imagination and inventiveness!)
According to Paul Joseph Watson four out of five ‘refugees’ in Sweden have vacationed in their home country. Most countries do not allow this but good old liberal Sweden does. I think we should allow it here, and whilst they are gone shut the door on them. How could even the ECHR argue they were in danger if not let back in?
So many false dawns from Brexit to the Sweden Democrats. Their problem now is that being in government, albeit a coalition, they will be blamed for failures to solve the problem of immigrant crime. Opposition parties know that and so will try to frustrate or neuter the Sweden Democrats. The result is that the Swedish people will be let down as political games trump sorting out the problems that blight the lives of ordinary Swedes. The absence of care and understanding, to paraphase Simon’s insightful comment, will continue in Sweden just as it does here and elsewhere in Europe (and the US).
It wasn’t the rise of the hard right that shattered Sweden’s dream. It was immigration. The liberal elites always attack secondary phenomena, the reaction by citizens, and never the primary cause, of immigration from incompatible cultures. I remember when Merkel, in 2015, in response to her invited sudden influx of 1 million arabs that wasn’t going very well (to put it mildly), came on the telly to implore Germans that ‘we can do this’. Except there is no ‘we’. Politicians live lives insulated from the problems they create. Do our own, when getting a taxi from the station on the way to their constituency, ever look out the window? It seems not.
I’ve been watching the live streaming of people filing past the Queen’s coffin. Pictures of it are news around the world. It is quite a phenomenon. As one wag put it: “If you’re British, this is the queue you have been training for all your life”. What an advert fo the country. It must distrubing to see for some. Old Britain is on show again as is the politics of envy, not least among the Britiain haters and sneering columnists of the Guardian whose heads are exploding as they try and carp, but one senses forlornly – for now.
Pauline, I had the problems with my devices that you have been experiencing lately and couldn’t work out how to fix it but a system update might fix it. It did seem to rectify itself.
I am not sure what a system update is Lisa but thank you for trying to help.
If only commentators on this site could match their tirades on the treason, ineptness and duplicity of establishment politics by taking some positive steps through joining centre Right challenger parties we may at least start off on the road to emulating the success of the Swedish election outcome. As things stand one may be forgiven for toying with the thought that much of the tirades are just empty rhetoric.
I have rejoined Ukip Jake and ‘subscribed’ to emails for the others. That ‘subscribing’ does not cost anything. I always read the mails carefully. With Ukip, I make a point of expressing my opinion on the policies set out.
A credit to you Pauline. I don’t mind which challenger party is joined but I cannot for the life in me understand those who sit on the fence grumbling and moaning and doing nothing constructive.
Hope to see you in Skegness for the conference.
Norman says, “Wrong sort of Nazi roots in Sweden but the right sort of Nazi roots in Ukraine, odd dat.”
Back in 1982 Britain was engaged in an “undeclared war” with Argentina over The Falkland Islands. (call it a SMO.)
Why ? Because Argentina claimed the Islands but the population, who are English speaking and mainly ethic British, wanted to stay British.
That was deemed to be “A good thing”
2022; Russia comes to the rescue of Ethnic Russians in the Ukraine, some 14,000 of whom had been killed by the Ukrainian army/government over the previous eight years…and the world condemns them.
Topsy-turvy world in which we live
Unansweable Richard, and what`s more unlikely to be answered!
Excellent point!
Richard M. Precisely. That is exactly how I feel about it.
On several past occasions, Ukrainians were deported to the gulags of Russia and their lands handed over to ethnic Russians. This was done everywhere Russia conquered including the Baltic states. This to enable closer ties with Russia,
On several past occasions, over eight years in fact, Ukranians shelled their own people in the Donbas killing 14,000; also banned them speaking Russian and their political parties.
“It’s not just here in the UK where ‘authorities’ and governments are so far removed from the people that they simply no longer understand their vital concerns.”
I think it’s far more that they no longer care about the people’s vital concerns than that they don’t understand them. They’ve become stuffed with people who don’t see themselves as representatives, but as parental figures whose remit is no more than to keep the mob under control and to tell them what they’re going to have to do, and have not to do, next.
Wrong sort of Nazi roots in Sweden but the right sort of Nazi roots in Ukraine, odd dat.
Well yes, the Swedish “Nazi roots” are a belief that there are significant dangers that will result from unrestricted immigration by people from a culture which makes it impossible for most of them to integrate with the host society, whereas the Ukrainian “Nazi roots” are that everyone outside ones own race is subhuman and that if they become a threat to ones race there’s nothing wrong in exterminating them. The first is so beyond the pale that its adherents must be silenced and shunned by society, whereas the latter is so evidently correct that its worthy of being supported by having billions and billions of dollars thrown at it.
My thoughts exactly Norman.
If Scotland want independence then the Sturgeon needs to consider how Scotland can survive without support from the English / Welsh / NI taxpayers and the relocated military installation back home. How about visas and work permits for those wanting to live and work here enforced by a proper boundary? Not that we can trust our weak kneed politicians to say and do the necessary.
The PTB can’t even police a border with a stretch of sea between us never mind one you can stroll over Jack Thomas.
Of course Lisa, now I know where Trump got his Mexico wall idea from!
It was old Hadrian.
If Scotland insists on Independence, why not just rebuild Hadrian`s wall, won“t need too many police then
Hence a “proper boundary”.
Hey wait a minute what about the position of all those of Scottish extraction now living in England, shouldn`t they have a say in the matter?
I have two 60% Scottish Daughters educated in Scotland and now living in England and even I, as I have subsequently learned am 13% Scottish (DNA analysis) should have a voice/vote
PS she`ll also need to decide how Scotland is also going to survive without the income from Northy Sea oil/gas which she has ditched so she can rule with the aid of the Greens.
Sorry Roger, forgot about you. You were not allowed a vote in the previous referendum were you. I wonder why (not). If weak kneed Westminster does give in and there is another you and your like MUST BE INCLUDED.
Barnett Formula. I had to google before I could remember what it was called. Yes, Westminster government should shout loud and clear that just losing that would impoverish the Scots.
I don`t think it quite works like that Pauline, after all to appear less than magnanimous in our treatment of a departing `friend` from our colonial set up, would be Oh so damaging to our Global standing that there would be even those who would refuse to…………………. with us or for us!
No what will happen, will come the day when the British government (quite wrongly) decide that the Scots are now so wise to the dire economic circumstances independence would bring that the government can safely go ahead in sanctioning such a referendum
And so they do.
Mrs MacTruss (or MacKeir) will opine
“The wind of change is now blowing through the United Kingdom form of government and we should now greet our new separate friends and neighbours wholeheartedly, wish them well and reward them for their enterprise, after all they cannot be allowed to seem to fail, that would reflect badly on us”
And then when they duly vote for independence and go their separate ways
We do what we have done previously with our colonies WE SUPPORT THEM FOREVER.
Continuation of the Barnett formula will be the least of England`s munificence!