People often say that nothing will ever be the same after something terrible has happened. Often though people try their hardest to get everything back to ‘normal’ as best they can. However, after the experience of the past week, I believe that there is now no going back, not after the unbridled outpouring of hatred suddenly permitted in MSM and social media.
The rapidity with which our society has descended into an emotional, irrational whirlpool of hate is truly unprecedented. I don’t mean just the antisocial media which have always been a place where anybody can bleat out their emotions about anything – provided their hate is within well-patrolled boundaries. I also don’t mean the malodorous swamp which the ‘below the line’ comments have now turned into, even by the allegedly better educated readers of the broadsheets like The Times and the DT.
I do mean the blatant and not-so-blatant ways with which the chief editors and their well-established columnists are shamelessly creating a climate where no rational questions are permitted, where no rational debate is possible. I simply cannot fathom the depth of hatred which must have been simmering below the surface of those well-mannered editors who are content to push this hatred onto their readers, a hatred which they would be the first to condemn where it directed against any other person or country than Putin and Russia.
It’s instructive to look at the language used by those wonderfully clever Westminster ‘writers’, for example this paragraph from the Speccie’s evening email newsletter yesterday:
“More than 2,000 Ukrainian civilians have been killed so far in the conflict, the country’s emergency services said. The Russian government claimed 498 of its troops have died.”
It’s subtle. On the one hand, the Ukrainian emergency services ‘say’ how many have been killed, implying that this is a ‘true fact’. On the other hand the Russian government only ‘claims’., implying that this must be ‘fake’ and not be believed. This is how attitudes are subliminally manipulated to evoke hatred.
That’s not all by a long chalk. I’ve often mentioned that our dear MSM journalists simply do not do ‘due diligence’. Today’s ‘reports’ underline this long-established fact. It’s worse because this sloppiness seems to be encouraged by the chief editors who do not permit even one more factual report to see the light of day.
Anything goes provided it fuels the emotions and the hatred of readers who are, I suspect, assumed to go and tell their MPs to ‘hit harder’ at Russia. See for example the astonishing acknowledgement that the antisocial media have become another propaganda instrument:
“Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is the first “TikTok war”, with the social media network hosting a glut of user-generated videos from the front line. Darren Davidson, the editor-in-chief of Storyful, a social media intelligence agency owned by News Corp, the parent company of The Times, said TikTok had been plagued by misinformation — but had also provided valuable insight. “This is the first conflict to play out on TikTok,” he said.” (link, paywalled)
Even only one week ago such ‘user-generated videos’ were deemed to be unsubstantiated anecdotes which mustn’t be believed – as long as they were about covid and vaccine side effects. Now they are pure gold for our propaganda MSM. All professional fact-checkers seem to have gone away. Also odd: nobody seems to be offended by such videos. there are no demands to take them down ‘because: hate speech’.
Here’s another strange thing: remember the satellites which produced all those images of Russian troops being concentrated near the Ukrainian borders? Have they all become inoperable? Do we really believe that the US military satellites especially have no up-to-date information about what is really going on? Are such images now unpublishable because they might contradict the general line of ‘hate Russia’? Has TikTok now replaced proper research by the various western MSM reporters because their reports might conceivably contradict the propaganda effort?
Next, here’s an example of blatant hypocrisy. “We” have of course happily accepted the sanctions on Russia, from the closing of airspaces to Russian airplanes to the decision of car manufacturers like Volvo or VW to close down their factories in Russia, from the decision of the shipping magnate Maersk to stop their container ships to dock in Russian ports to the disruption of the banking system. Now however “we” must be indignant because Russia dares to ‘retaliate’:
“The Kremlin is holding 36 satellites owned by the British taxpayer-backed company OneWeb hostage in a stand-off over the war in Ukraine. Roscosmos, the Russian state space agency, is refusing to go ahead with a scheduled launch of the satellites unless the Government sells its stake in OneWeb and it receives assurances that the business is not used for military purposes.” (paywalled link)
Oh dear. How dare they! After all, ‘it’s different when we do it’. Sanctions cutting both ways? The idea! That’s not all. “We”, in the form of the business secretary Mr Kwarteng, are insisting on our rights. Putin is losing, isn’t he, so he must cave in.
A clear sign of his weakness are the proposed talks between Russia and Ukraine which may allegedly be mediated by China. and India. Meanwhile Redwood interprets these talks as ‘cynical manipulation’ by Putin (link) while he indulges in and perpetuates the one-sided view that Ukraine is innocent. Better not remember the right years of Ukrainian warfare against the Donbass republics. Better disregard that Ukraine never adhered to the MinskII protocol. Better forget that France and Germany, guarantees of that protocol, did eff all during that time to keep Ukraine on the straight and narrow. Then and even now, “Teh West” did not listen, never mind talk with Russia. They, their politicians, were irrelevant as Mr Lavrov describes here.
“We” forget, in this delirium of manufactured hatred, that there are other countries in the world which did and do listen, for example China. “We” seem to be content to watch a new Iron Curtain coming down, with Russia being cut off from all activities in the West, from artists being refused engagements to cats belonging to Russians not being allowed to be shown (yes, really, RT has the story), to Swift being ‘cancelled’ but ‘permitted’ when it’s about payment for Russian gas and oil – the madness is beyond explanation.
One thing though is certain: this frenzy of hatred means things will never be the same again. It was bad enough when the covid fanatics in government and MSM had damaged our society, dividing people and families against each other. Now this irrational, manic hatred has intensified to a degree I never thought possible in this country. The worst offender today is The Times’ cartoonist. While feminist writers bemoan the sad fate of all those Ukrainian women and children having had to flee, he produced the most disgusting cartoon imaginable, solely aimed at stirring up even more hate – here, if you must.
This unbridled outpouring of hatred, unstopped and even encouraged, is certainly unprecedented. It has finally destroyed even the last vestiges of my trust in the rationality of at least some of the players on the Westminster stage. They could and ought to have reined in this emotion-driven, irrational outpouring but they didn’t and still don’t.
The future of our country is bleak – and not only because of ‘sacrifices’ and coming hardships. It’s the total loss of trust in the fabric of our society where one daren’t speak because of being tarred as unpatriotic Putin-lover which will have consequences for people’s professional and private lives in an exacerbation of ‘cancel culture’. Must we now preface every discourse with the claim that ‘we hate Putin’?
As for me, I’ll stick with the motto “etiamsi omnes, ego non”.
Another useless performance by Reform UK in todays Birmingham by election. No doubt their equally useless leader will state that the party came third and was a good result etc etc. However they obtained just 1.7% of the vote. Their vote share continues to fall away as each by election passes. Time for Richard Tice to stand down as he is not cutting through with the electorate, and allow someone with at least an ounce of charisma and presence to take over. Shocking result. If UKIP had stood I am sure they would achieved a better result than this………
Thanks Colin. Bet you’ve gone to bed now though, (you were up at 2.31 am,) so you won’t see my thanks for this comment!
Richard Tice is the biggest turn off I can think off, so I hope the diminishing vote share does cause a change.
Pauline…….to be precise Reform UK got 293 votes…………cr*p result, but now one of many. They are absolutely no hopers under the present leadership if one could call it that.
I have taken the liberty again of repeating a comment I made yesterday on Fracking and what a game change the Ukrainian war was on the GW Zero project, another Conservative MP just back from the Ukraine, made a point of supporting Nigel`s Fracking campaign.
It MUST take off
Roger Turner on 02/03/2022 at 8:27 pm
Apologies for being off subject, but I have just been watching Nigel interveiwing a member of a Commons committee that has issued a scathing or withering report on Green Zero matters.
He/they say that neither the government or the opposition has the least idea what the cost of Zero measures will have on the economy, nor on the cost to the British public. and it is pointed out this is even less evident due to the “game changer almost like 9/11 of the Ukraine catastrophe”
Nigel suggested that fracking in the North West should go ahead and the chap agreed provided it could be done safely.
Nigel also suggested coal being opened up for steel production, but there didn`t appear to be an answer on that one.
and North Sea Oil or gas didn`t get a mention.
Sorrry I didn`t get the name of the man Nigel interviewed, but he was adamant that the Ukraine was a Game Changer, with the obvious provision that the whole subject of our own power provision strategy should be re-assessed. of copying and repeating my comment made on Fracking and the “Game Changer” discussed on GB TV Nigel`s hour. He again had a Conservative MP on tonight, just back from the Ukraine who made a point of supporting Nigel on his Fracking campaign.
Incidentally I agree with Colin Hussey`s remarks that North Sea Oil and Gas should be reopened and new wells should be tapped.
We must have a complete revision of policy, taking into account the necessity strategically to provide power from our own resources first and to hang with outside criticism who are not prepared to help us out. and particularly when we at worst are only responsible for 1% of GW filth and China sits at 25%. They must be laughing their socks off at us and deservedly so! I`ll bet Trump wouldn`t stand for it.
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Well said Roger Turner at 10.09pm 3/3/
Off topic but a slow drop of admissions. A poster in a paediatrician’s room today.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c86b5fc5cf22fe0219237597348a421047e9de326150fc6bb9d6b4caf493e8cb.jpg
Well Viv, take heart.
Here on Independence Daily, so far, there is the opportunity for rational debate.
What I do not understand is why you are not overwhelmed by masses of new commenters.
I find commenting on here very easy. It is also easy on J.R.’s Diary. On the Daily Sceptic my system just does not manage it.
On here and on JR’s Diary the commenters can talk to each other easily. That, to me, is a very big PLUS.
There is a gov.uk petition I’ve just signed.
It is End the Fracking Ban.
I hope you all agree with me that U.K. needs to be self sufficient in Energy and not relying on sun and wind, or importing it from E.U., or Biomass from U.S.A. etc.
If so – it needs signing.
It’s another way to give the Agincourt salute to Putin too!
P.S. Apparently it is Kwarteng who is opposing fracking. He is determined to pour concrete into the wells so they can never be used.
What a great Patriot our Business Secretary is (NOT).
Rees Mogg is pushing to start fracking again.
Or better still, reopen the natural gas and oil fields under the North Sea which according to reports I have read this week still contains very large reserves of these commodities. The report stated that they could be up and running within 28 days as the fields are just capped off, not closed down for good. However I doubt they will ever re-open as it does not fit Johnson’s pro green net zero tripe agenda. It seems it is much more preferential to this very out of touch government to have the majority of the population having to endure a massive cost of living increase in addition rapidly increasing gas, electricity and petrol costs, and having to sit in our homes shivering with fleeces and overcoats on to keep warm because we cannot afford to pay those increased costs. I received my amended bill yesterday for the supply of gas from British Gas from April 2022 and my bill is projected to rise from £571.00 per annum to £981.00 based upon past usage. My maths are not that great but that represents I think an increase of about 70%. Thank you Mr. Johnson, don’t call me at the next general when you’re after votes, as the past two years have been a waste of a vote. Yes, he got us out of the European Union, but since then it has been an unmitigated disaster. He seems to be devoid of any common sense whatever the issue, and can go and take a hike as far as I am concerned. I will be returning to my UKIP roots as of now…..
Colin – I thought permission had been given to reopen those wells. Maybe it was some other wells in North Sea ‘given permission’ to produce more.
Whatever, with any luck the tide MIGHT be turning towards some common sense.
I’ve just successfully negotiated with Octopus to voluntarily increase my D.D. because my ‘credit’ on account was going down too fast to last till warmer weather.
Haven’t a clue what will happen to me in April! I’m very glad I changed to Octopus but it is probably too late now.
My outstanding problem is my account with Sky. It lumps together T.V., land line phone and inter-net. What a mistake I made there! I never watch TV, don’t have licence, but I’m still paying Sky for their much diminished channels and all other channels. Don’t want the upheaval of switching.
Meanwhile my bank current account balance is going down. So I must do something soon.
Hi Pauline, thanks for the heads up on this Petition. I think this link should take people to it. https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/123851281/
Thanks to you Lisa and Pauline in reply to my comment yesterday.
I tried it but failed getting a comment to say “This did not exist”
Has anybody else had the same problem, because I am anxious to sign up to fracking ?
NB as an aside I tend to use the word fracking in the sense of “not fr*cking likely” I have not actually uttered the phrase “go fr*ck yourself” yet or heard the phrase “fr*ck me said the Duchess, more in hope than anger”
Further to my last comment, I have now signed it 7282, I found it by looking it up, I think you have got the number wrong , I`m sure that wasn“t the number I used
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/608745 sorry this is the correct link.
I ignore all those long numbers. Just search gov uk petitions then the words e.g. end the fracking ban.
Superb piece. Spot on. Thank you.
And, Noah Carl, over at Daily Sceptic, has an equally good dispassionate analysis, counterpart to the emotional incontinence.
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/03/02/a-sceptical-take-on-the-ukraine-crisis/
Of course Putin was wrong and war is wrong, but here are some of Noah’s points and more, unaccountably missing amongst the blizzard of false-idol worship, demonisation and emotional propaganda.
Remember the Monroe doctrine; essentially ‘Not in my backyard.’ It’s ok when ‘we’ do it (Cuba); but the EU and NATO have persistently crept into Putin’s backyard and declared they will go further.
With the fall of the USSR the West promised Russia it would not advance eastwards. Then they did.
The baltic states bordering Russia were allowed to join NATO.
In 2008, NATO said Ukraine and Georgia WILL become members of NATO, despite their constitution forbidding membership to nations with border disputes.
In 2010, the US set up and funded bio-labs working on Pathogens, on Putin’s doorstep.
In 2014, they engineered the overthrow of the pro-Russian president, and Democrat grifters like Biden and Kerry and Pelosi, to name but a few, made millions from Ukranian companies.
In 2019, Ukraine wrote the aim of joining NATO into its constitution.
In the Russian speaking Donbas, regions that used to be part of Russia, 14000 people have been killed over 8 years by shelling. Yes there are those who wanted to breakaway, but shelling civilians is not going to change any minds. Where were the pictures and the world’s heart-on-sleeve agencies like Amnesty International in all that time?
Until WWII Crimea, too, was part of Russia. The whole region has been diced and reconstituted through history.
Fast-tracking EU (and by proxy NATO) membership is designed to inflame not calm. And the final giveaway, that this is simply another Bankers’ war, what I would call the shadows above the Globalists, deliberately plotted, was the lady, posing as a journalist, haranguing Boris to get NATO planes involved, which would of course provoke all out superpower war. Turns out she is a WEF Young Global Leader and worked on the ad campaign to get Biden elected. The WEF wants to escalate this war to accelerate world chaos and collapse so they can ride to the rescue and impose their NWO. Even the timing is perfect, obliterating the pandemic narrative and hiding all the emerging inquests, sins and retribution. It was all planned, is my opinion.
Crimea has only been part of Russia since 1783. It was part depopulated by Stalin and the native Tatars sent to Siberia and replaced with ethnic Russians.
This is true of many other parts of Russia, Ukraine and the Baltic states for the exact reasons we now see.
If Ukraine wins this war, no doubt ethnic Russian will be deported back to Russia (as happened in Poland and Czechoslavakia after WW2.)
Why has Ukraine rattled Harry Again’s cage?
Oh yes. I’ve just remembered he was well set up, sitting comfortably if the Global Warming Scam worked. That was if the Covid Scamdemic had done it’s work.
Hmmm . . . .
Global conspiracy anyone?
Well said Phil O’S.
No political leader is white as snow but Putin has many arguments on his side.
Those arguments are not being allowed to see the light of day now.
P.S. I’ve just found a way to store that Daily Sceptic issue in a separate folder in my useless email account.
The map really spells it out doesn’t it, that Ukraine has a very mixed cultural heritage.
So has U.K. of course if we look back over 2000 years. But that is no excuse for the mass immigration we STILL have, in spite of ‘leaving the E.U.’.
That cartoon was a new low. This whole charade stinks.
Is the weaponisation of currency and santions on and isolation of Russia solely to force Putin to withdraw from Ukraine whereafter the collective punishment of Russian people will cease? Or is the real agenda regime change and so the collective punishment of Russians will continue? It is tempting to think the West want regime change, but I suspect they do not really. The West’s globalists were shocked in 2016 – Brexit and Trump – and suddenly realised that their ability to manipulate the lower orders was limited in ways they had not foreseen. Putin has been a gift to them. They are controlling the masses once again – an intoxicating reassurance to them (and Macron’s previously shakey chances next month for example) – and will not want to let go of that. They need an enemy without which all that is left is to focus on is their incompetent mismanagment of the pandemic, energy, immigration, housing etc and while China is a threat (and a genocidal one) vastly more inimical to the West’s interests, it is simply too big and powerful to fulfil the role of the other. The two minutes of hate each day in 1984 was an underestimate of what modern big brother states can achieve. Two minutes was before television and the internet. Now it is 24/7 and Putin fits the bill for that so much better than Xi Jinping.
I feel sorry for ordinary Ukrainians and Russians. Being bombed is horrible as the people in Belgrade, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Dondass (since 2014) can no doubt testify, and I’m doing my two minutes of hate each day (and every two minutes!), but it is directed at our own commissars.
Well said. I know the reference of course, and like you my ‘two minutes’ lasts all day and everyday.
Mine too! In capital letters!!!! A more immoral lot you couldn’t find!
Quite so. And when our very own Tony Blair bullied Britain into bombing the crap out of Iraq, with US assistance, on the FLIMSIEST of dodgy evidence, that was OK, and a million dead? I don’t remember Labour supporters plastering their facebook pages with Iraqi flags. Or ceasing to vote Labour.
As per usual with anything that spews out of the mouth of Boris Johnson, action speaks louder than words. He was very quick off the mark to announce sanctions against Putin, Lavrov and these so called oligarch’s we hear so much of these days. We were told that these sanctions would would be instantaneous towards those that they were targeted against. However it appears today that the sanctions this country have imposed wont take affect for weeks or even longer, because the legislation that Johnson’s inept government introduced two weeks ago have set the legal bar too high which will prevent them from being implemented. Leaving the European Union enabled this country to introduce its own sanctions against persons rather than following EU one’s, but it seems rather then simplifying the EU legislation his government have made it more complicated than it needs to be therefore preventing the sanctions being implemented. So bloody typical of out holier than thou political class to make everything more complicated than it needs to be. Too many lawyers in government and not enough basic common sense. And isn’t it about time that Johnson and Truss stopped shouting their mouths off on the international stage about Putin and Russia. They are both loose cannons and making this country a target, and time for both engage brain before opening their big gobs. I am so sick and tired of their style of politics, and sooner they are out of the door, the better it will be for all of us….
That is interesting Stout Yeoman at 10.21am 3/3. The Globalists seized on the Covid Scam, straight after B.J. starting to get Brexit done.
I couldn’t see how the Chinese superflu fitted in, but actually there was globalist big pharma money contributing to Wuhan’s funding.
PS Sorry I meant to post this under Flyers latest comment on When a Woman Cries. I got my lines crossed.
That Times cartoon must rank among the most horrible ever, alongside the ‘Freedom of Humanity’ cartoon depicting wealthy Jewish financiers playing Monopoly on the backs of enslaved members of the working class.
I looked closely at some of these photos and others from other sources as well : where I could see the “police” thugs’ faces, I could see they were Chinese or something similar. These are UN thugs I am convinced not home grown police. As Flyer has warned us years ago that they would be coming to infest Western shores.
Viv – you’re talking about a disease that seems to be engulfing the entire world. After reading yesterday’s article about the New Zealand protests, I found this short video from Carl Vernon and featuring Jacinda Ardern: you will not believe the Sh*t that comes out of this woman’s mouth.
Here Ardern talks about the misinformation that she believes drove the protesters to stage their protest, if it wasn’t so serious, this would be comical.
“Don’t listen to anything outside The Ministry of Truth”
https://youtu.be/Ikg887Inj2Y
I am confused. For the first time in my life I do not feel total support for my country or the West in a European war. I curse Biden, NATO, the EU and yes, Johnson for the arrogant dismissal of Minsk and Russian treaties for security. Allowing Ukraine to demand EU immediate entry and NATO membership is like allowing Kruschev to plant a Russian military base with rockets on Cuba. I strongly believe Trump would not have been so pig-headed and would have avoided the coming bloodshed on both sides. It was totally avoidable IMO. Although, I see the difficulty of allowing Putin to veto who joins EU or NATO, Ukraine seems eligible for exception.
I find myself in the same position as Stout and Phil O regarding two minutes hate.
The Peace That Could Have Been
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/26/the-peace-that-could-have-been/
Tony. Please do not lose your support for YOUR COUNTRY. (Presumably the U.K..)
The present government is not the country.
Nor is ‘the West’ this country.
I do not think that my country, the United Kingdom, has any need now, of alliance with NATO, or USA.
Just let us source our own energy and grow as much of our own food as possible and police our own borders.