My cards on the table. I`ve had enough of you lot. Yes, you who are conspiring to deprive me of the one piece of genuine democracy I have received in many years of occupation of our supposedly representative Parliament.
On the 23rd June 2016, I was presented with two democratic options a choice: to leave the EU or to remain. The chains were invisible of course, but this nation has been shackled nevertheless by an unholy alliance of “elitist” placepersons and all those who financially depended on collusion with a body structured to deny the humble grass rooter any effective voice in its decisions or its structural organisation. Note I use the word “effective”. Of course, there is a window dressing of respectability, it has a “parliament”, but under no circumstances does it have a parliament with the ability to instigate legislation. This had to come down from the top; the top being a malevolent body dedicated to its own totalitarian agenda and completely ruthless in its actions and defence of its own superiority, particularly to those it directly governed but completely cavalier in its treatment and attitude to the common voter.
As confirmed by a past president of the Junta, Mr. Barroso to Mr. Cameron, the outfit has aspirations to be an empire and already has many of the trappings in this respect viz 28 servile ex-nation states. Having conceded sovereignty how can they remain a nation? In fact, I have heard it expressed they have no more standing than a parish council – maybe a scintilla of hyperbole, but nevertheless having an element of truth; just as one cannot be a little bit pregnant so can a state not be a little bit less sovereign.
So back to little ‘ol me! I, along with 17.4 million (plus) others, have become completely resentful of a parliament supposedly meant to represent each and every one of us. We were permitted to vote, but we weren`t allowed to “participate” thereafter. I, along with all those others, have finally twigged this. The whole event has revealed unholy collusion between the legacy parties to keep the truth of our servitude from us and to indulge all those luxuries enjoyed by the elite. In fact, the whole damned referendum was rotten to the core, or as Mr John Reid coined so nicely, “unfit for purpose”.
Now to speak about the present shambles, which is quite clearly calculated, and has been from the 24th June 2016, to frustrate the will of the people and bring about the inherited view of our indoors elite “remainers”. They are bowing to their own prejudices and the expressed desires of their EU masters that we should adhere to the usual format of repeat referenda till they get the result “right”, or bring about such frustration (divide and rule) among the irreconcilable requirements of the numerous sectional interest groups that a return to the status quo is the most appealing option to everybody. That is, to “remain as you were in the EU”, or if those results are unobtainable, that any “agreed” withdrawal agreement is so toxically laced that it means an exit “In Name Only”. But above all, Britain must not be allowed to prosper whatever the outcome, for fear that it will serve as an example to hearten other nations who are presently under threat from their own internal “exit” seeking factions.
So now we face the following scenario, as I read it:
- Mrs May won`t budge from her present deal or no deal choice.
- Parliament votes down the deal again, then introduces an amendment which seeks a referendum and an extension of negotiating period.
- The two questions in the referendum are whether we should accept a deal manufactured out of an amalgam with Mrs May`s and Mr Corbyn`s efforts or remain in the EU.
If this transpires, either way Vote Leave is sunk and remain frustrates the referendum leave vote, but does allow us to stay in servitude on the same terms we endure now, although that 28th seat will be a pretty lonely place in effectiveness terms. Alternatively, the “concocted deal” will leave us in servitude forever, paying forever, without even a 1/28th vote at the table. To me, such a “deal” spells UTTER DISASTER.
There is one last possible shake of the dice. Yes, by all means put it back to the people, but only to those who voted Brexit and the constituencies of either party who voted Brexit also. I would suggest that the ERG resign en bloc and form a new party grouping in parliament based on Nigel`s organization. All those other MPs Labour and Conservative who are members for constituencies that voted LEAVE must join with ERG in the voting. Then, they will take control of the House of Commons and be able to supervise a “Deal or No Deal” Brexit.
Dear reader, obviously, I`m a bit hazy on the mechanics of this “solution”, but I do feel it is essential that we “properly/completely” leave the EU. I for one had no doubts in pushing the leave message to the voters or writing on this site prior to the referendum. I didn`t ever say it would be at no cost, but I did dismiss the “fear” campaign as over egging the cake and I similarly dismiss “catastrophe” at this juncture. This suggestion is for the grassroots to control parliament, which, after all, is only fair and equitable. Remain MUST NOT be allowed to overrule the expressed wish of the majority of the electorate.
And as a ‘Thought for a SUNday’, and thinking about a certain, and current, ‘MR ROBINSON’ how about?
“Tommy”
I WENT into a public ‘ouse to get a pint o’ beer,
The publican ‘e up an’ sez, ” We serve no red-coats here.”
The girls be’ind the bar they laughed an’ giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an’ to myself sez I:
O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ ” Tommy, go away ” ;
But it’s ” Thank you, Mister Atkins,” when the band begins to play
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it’s ” Thank you, Mister Atkins,” when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-‘alls,
But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ ” Tommy, wait outside “;
But it’s ” Special train for Atkins ” when the trooper’s on the tide
The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
O it’s ” Special train for Atkins ” when the trooper’s on the tide.
Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap.
An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.
Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Tommy, ‘ow’s yer soul? ”
But it’s ” Thin red line of ‘eroes ” when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it’s ” Thin red line of ‘eroes, ” when the drums begin to roll.
We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;
While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be’ind,”
But it’s ” Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind
There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
O it’s ” Please to walk in front, sir,” when there’s trouble in the wind.
You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! ”
But it’s ” Saviour of ‘is country ” when the guns begin to shoot;
An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
An ‘Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool – you bet that Tommy sees!
I originally posted this Comment to Jack Thomas below, but I thought I had better give it a bit more prominence, also thank you all for your contributions to my agonised thread – I`m still in agony about the Brexit outcome, but thank you all the same, just proves we are all in the same boat – utterly unable to knock heads together and see that we are either going to remain or end up with a deal which means we will be far worse off than we are now.
“I agree with what you say Jack, but I think motivation is a little more complicated than that Jack.
I`ve just been listening to Gerard on Radio Kent and he pointed out that in a “short” extension situation, the EU would probably cobble together a rule that sitting MEPs would be allowed to continue to the official end of the session in July.
The other thing which to me is the larger issue is if in the event that leaving the EU is postponed and we regain the “privilege” of electing fresh MEPs, would we have 2 bodies fighting them UKIP and Nigel`s mob?
So then we have the possibility of Labour/Conservatives/LibDems/Scottish Nationalists/Uncle Tom Cobbly fighting on a stance of REMAIN, I could then see present ERG and the rest of other LEAVE MPs having to join in with either UKIP or Nigel`s mob and my bet is that they wont do either because they are more interested in keeping their parties together – ther might be one or two but not a mass.
Perhaps in a way I have answered my own question/solution I originally promoted at the end of this thread i.e. ERG defecting to Nigel – as various of you have told me, for various reasons NO CHANCE! “
How can you have a second referendum when the first referendum has not been implemented ? It is utter nonsense ! What vote in a local or General Election, has been considered ripe for a second election ? About four years ago I did not like the EU. Now I hate the very mention of it ! The Tory Party used to collect my vote, due to my thinking that they would do the least harm to our Nation.- Well Mrs May is responsible for that idea going up in smoke with me !
What we see in Westminster today, with very few exceptions, is a self interested rabble.- The SNP set the tone, by wanting to be independent of UK/GB, but to then cast their independence at the feet of the EU.- The ultimate in utter nonsense, and yet the Scotts in a large number voted to do that.- Thankfully they lost, but to their credit they accepted the result !
Anyway, all is not lost as the Labour Party considers itself to be ‘The Government in Waiting’, and the thickest in this Nation will no doubt vote for them, in the sure and uncertain hope of intellectual giants like Diane Abbott, being able to steer the lives of the people to the broad sunlit uplands of a Socialist Valhalla, or is it Marxist these days ? Labour voters will put their faith in Mr Corbyn’s secret weapon of ‘borrowing’.- No mention of paying back, and the interest being paid, of course is a myth !
There is an alternative available to Labour and Conservatives, but only to those with a basic mental dexterity. A Party with a winning manifesto, and a champion of Democracy. Brexit would be enacted totally as the will of the people was made known at 23rd June 2016. An axe would be taken to the p.c. drivel that has disfigured our Nation. ….. But, the people would have to start thinking for themselves, and not be led by the nose from MSM and BBC. This Party is called The UK Independence Party, which is about as far right as middle C on a piano keyboard ! THE CHOICE IS THERE FOR THE TAKING !
Please do not think that Jacob Rees-Mogg or any of the ERG will ‘ride to the rescue’ and ‘save Brexit’.
He (JRM) is pushing his ‘Malthouse Compromise’ which is really no compromise, just a softening of Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement, and to think he is advocating a three year ‘transition period’, makes you wonder who’s side he is really on. Oh, he’s on the Tories side, there you go.
The fact that no ‘prominent Brexiteers’ within the Tory party have resigned in disgust and crossed the floor to the only genuine pro-Brexit party UKIP (nor have they crossed to join Farage’s gang yet either) should tell you all you need to know about their integrity and dignity.
The Tories want to keep the UK in the EU, and they will do it through deceit and treachery. Labour will do the same, but at least they’re a bit more honest about their treachery and deceit.
Your scenario is pretty much what I sadly believe is going to happen, and it will ultimately fall to the people to ‘decide’ and we all know the vote will be rigged in favour of Remain.
In that event, we must all stand strong, keep our heads and our cool, and hold onto our belief that Leave is the best outcome. And we must all (sadly) do our bit to persuade as many people as we know to join us. The weak-minded will fall for the propaganda lies as Project Fear gets maxxed up to 11.
This article by a grass roots leaver is pie in the sky, of course. We were never going to be allowed to leave. Once the Establishment awoke to the fact of the result, they began their campaign to keep us in, aided by naive remainers who don’t really understand the issue, like Gina Miller who must have been a gift from the Heavens to the remainer Establishment. Sorry to be a Jonah, but we won’t be leaving the EU. Banana, anyone?
What we should have to make it stand is a General Election, which I am told could be on the same terms as a no confidence byelection meaning it could all be done in 14 days then which ever way it wuld bring democracy back to the people. The same people who are been deprived of democracy by those who lied to get elected. When they are out of a job I would sugest they are arrested and tried for treason.
I agree completely with Marie. I can hardly bear to listen to the news. Even the best case scenario is fraught with uncertainty and the likelihood of economic and other chaos. My only hope was that the EU hated us enough , believing the Cassandras about a NO DEAL, to engineer that to happen to punish us. Now even that hope is gone.
I wouldn’t join anything run by Nigel Farage.
Indded not to be trusted. No doubt he is looking forward to the continuing of his MEP salary and other earnings which would stop when we left.
Money trumps integrity.
I agree with what you say Jack, but I think motivation is a little more complicated than that Jack.
I`ve just been listening to Gerard on Radio Kent and he pointed out that in a “short” extension situation, the EU would probably cobble together a rule that sitting MEPs would be allowed to continue to the official end of the session in July.
The other thing which to me is the larger issue is if in the event that leaving the EU is postponed and we regain the “privilege” of electing fresh MEPs, would we have 2 bodies fighting them UKIP and Nigel`s mob?
So then we have the possibility of Labour/Conservatives/LibDems/Scottish Nationalists/Uncle Tom Cobbly fighting on a stance of REMAIN, I could then see present ERG and the rest of other LEAVE MPs having to join in with either UKIP or Nigel`s mob and my bet is that they wont do either because they are more interested in keeping their parties together – ther might be one or two but not a mass.
Perhaps in a way I have answered my own question/solution I originally promoted at the end of this thread i.e. ERG defecting to Nigel – as various of you have told me, for various reasons NO CHANCE!
“Jacob Rees-Mogg says he could vote for Theresa May’s Brexit deal…” No detail as it is behind the paywall, but worrying that he has either changed sides or gone blind.
Simple as much as like him as an MP, he wants to maintain the status quo, wants to continue to serve as a Conservative MP and wouldn’t feel comfortable in breaking away forming another party and fighting for what he really believes in, or forming any alliance with Nigel Farage etc etc etc. Very happy to share a platform every so often to talk about Brexit, but that is as far as it goes. We have all seen through this shambles of a party and its not a pretty sight. They are finished as an electoral force.
“Yes, by all means put it back to the people, but only to those who voted Brexit…”
How would they be identified? Since the ballot paper is just paper and the count is essentially manual I doubt that votes are assigned to names. Even if they were would they admit it?
The idea that our democratic (hah!) representatives would in anyway risk damage to their position at the public money trough is naive — I hear a lot of people banging n about how they’ll never vote Lab or Con again, but once this is over they’ll huddle together and go bck to their masters.
JF
By the way, I think that’s Polygonum bistorta ‘Superbum (pron. Soo… perbum, not Super… bum) not grass.
I’m at my lowest point since the glorious dawn of 24 June, 2016, which is to say very depressed indeed. I wonder how, given all evidence to the contrary, I could ever have believed we would be allowed to leave the EU in any meaningful way. Any last shred of belief that we lived in a democracy has finally fled. I agree wholeheartedly with Roger, except that I see the EU as 27 servile former nation states + Germany.
The time for fine words and being ultra polite to the likes of Theresa May who is an utter traitor to the cause is now over. The ERG have to take their gloves off. They have to get outside their comfort zone, put the interests of the country before their own, and break away from the Conservative Party, which let’s face it are not particularly conservative anyway. Leave the likes of Amber Rudd, Greg Clarke, David Gauke, and Phillip Hammond and all the other political wimps behind. They have all had their day and don’t represent the majority view whatsoever. If it comes to a general election they will be pummeled into the ground and lose their seats. Bring it on, I say.
How fast times are changing: “Mrs May won`t budge from her present deal or no deal choice.” Is already out-of-date…
Roger’s article and his nuclear option is a good one. However it relies on prominent politicians sticking their necks out in the interest of the country and the majority of its electorate – the 17.4 million.
The fate of the country really does seem to be in the hands of Jacob Rees-Mogg and his ERG. I have some doubts however if Jacob wants to shed his public persona and become a lot more aggressive.
I think he would become PM if he did.
Something to think about?
If Mogg &co haven’t done what was necessary by now they never will. I wish you best of British luck with them.
Mogg’s loyalty has always been with to the globalist Tory party not to us.
Unfortunately Mary, I agree re Mogg and Co – bitter disappointment and very disillusioned with with JRM – I was warned by a fellow Kipper that he would always put Party first.
Looks like you are right Barbara….