Dr John Lee, a former professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist, is renowned for his articles shining some much-needed light onto the messy and contradictory ‘science’ with which ‘Our MSM’ and especially our politicians, in bondage to SAGE, keep trying to befuddle us in order to make us willing accomplices in their ‘New Normal’, transforming our society.
His article, published in the Spectator on Aug 29th 2020 (paywalled link), has the title “The coronavirus immunity riddle – Our bodies’ defences work in ways we still don’t understand”. In it he explains what is known and not known about immunity generally and about CV019 immunity in particular.
This article is hugely important and Dr Lee writes in such a way that one doesn’t need a PhD in biology or virology to understand the ‘known unknowns’ in regard to that virus and what’s actually going on inside our bodies. He starts:
“What have we been witnessing these past few months? A worldwide crisis caused by the arrival of a new virus of exceptional virulence — or a crisis of awareness, in which incomplete information led to a wildly disproportionate reaction? Have lockdowns, face coverings and the rest saved millions of lives worldwide? Or have they had relatively little effect on the course of the pandemic, and ended up causing more harm than good? […] We still know a lot less about Covid-19, and about viruses in general, than you might have been led to believe. Viruses are older than mankind — and more numerous than all other forms of life put together — but we have only found out about them in the past century. And the sum of what we still don’t know is huge.” (paywalled link)
By asking questions which apply to all viral infections, not just CV-19, Dr Lee illustrates this huge area of our ignorance. He continues with a brief explanation of biological facts because, he writes, much of what is being said about the virus is wrong:
“Coronaviruses are RNA viruses, and a widely accepted hypothesis suggests that RNA molecules pre-date life itself. In this view, an RNA world came first. RNA molecules can self-assemble, store information, and some (ribozymes) can facilitate other chemical reactions like protein enzymes. Ribosomes, a type of ribozyme which make proteins in our cells, are largely composed of RNA. Over time, DNA ended up replacing RNA as the main information–storage molecule because it is more stable and able to build longer proteins, which replaced ribozymes because their multiple amino-acid building blocks make them more versatile. Eventually cellular organisms appeared with DNA, RNA and protein molecules playing the roles now seen in all life.” (paywalled link)
After this excursion into evolution Dr Lee explains:
“The point is that no cell has ever existed which did not have to live alongside replicating RNA molecules, and, later, RNA viruses. It’s not unusual to have a new virus that’s out to get us. It happens all the time, in more ways than we have been able to measure. Every amoeba, every simple organism composed of a few cells, every foetus in its mother’s womb, every child, every adult, has to make their way in a world rife with independent RNA molecules following their own agenda. What’s more, because simpler microbes such as bacteria existed before us, we have always had to deal with them too. We are only just beginning to realise, through recent developments in science, how much our associations with these ‘simpler’ organisms matter. It’s also wrong to think of viruses only as a disease, or a threat.” (paywalled link)
The following example is simply amazing – it comes under ‘learn something new every day’:
“Let me offer an example. Cells in our gut make mucus. Until very recently it was believed that the mucus acted simply as a physical barrier, preventing the bacteria that live in our gut from invading the cells of our bowel wall, where they could cause inflammation and disease. But it turns out that the mucus has evolved to host special types of viruses called bacteriophages, which infect and kill bacteria. For each of the trillions of bacteria in our gut there are about 40 bacteriophages in the mucus. So the mucus is not just a physical barrier, it’s a sophisticated bio-barrier honed to use viruses to protect us from bacteria” (paywalled link)
What follows from there is important in regard to the oh-so precious antibody tests:
“A lot of emphasis is being placed on the presence of antibodies: if you test negative then you’re at risk. This would be alarming if true, especially as the latest official figures show just 6 per cent of Brits have tested positive for antibodies. But the real picture is, as so often, more complicated.
The main way we fight viruses is through T-cell responses, which kill virally infected cells. Interestingly, some studies have shown that up to 60 per cent of people apparently never exposed to Covid-19 still had T-cells that reacted to the virus — suggesting that you might not need to have had this virus to have protection from it. It’s a hugely important theory. But T-cell responses are harder to measure than antibodies, so they are not being widely tested for.” (paywalled link)
The next paragraph made me sit up – this is amazing:
“There’s another recently discovered viral defence mechanism that operates entirely within cells: RNA interference (RNAi). If an RNA virus such as Covid-19 does manage to get inside a cell, special RNA molecules are made by the cell that interfere with and hinder replication of the virus. This crucial defence mechanism is not being tested for at all, yet it is clearly an ancient and vital part of how our bodies deal with RNA viruses such as Covid-19. Will it be important in explaining differing susceptibilities to coronavirus, or why it hits some people harder than others? Might this help explain why the pandemic curve has been the same in so many countries, irrespective of policies implemented? Almost certainly. What do we know about RNAi’s effects on disease in a population? Almost nothing.” (paywalled link)
Dr Lee next makes an important point: that the virus progressed in similar fashion in all countries regardless of the actions (lockdown or not) the various governments had taken:
“Then we have the virus itself. Is this a threat far greater than other new viruses that have emerged in recent decades? We now have the tools to identify and follow new viruses. Covid-19 has followed a pretty typical viral infection curve in all countries — as far as can be determined from the limited measurements we have to date. […] It’s far from clear that Covid deaths are of a greater magnitude than a bad flu season. It has been argued that the virus would have killed half a million people in Britain had we not taken action. But how can any model be accurate given what we don’t know about Covid and how people respond to it? You don’t need to be a scientist to look at the number of cases of the virus in different countries and wonder why there is so little correlation with the actions they took.” (paywalled link)
Going back to those test ‘rates’, that ‘caseitis’, he remarks:
“Yes, we see a rise now in test positivity rates in some areas and, with it, talk of a ‘second wave’. But there is, as yet, no second wave in hospital admissions, here or abroad. This suggests we are missing something fundamental. Could it be that the virus has significantly changed since the beginning of the pandemic? As I argued in these pages at the start of lockdown, RNA viruses change all the time and are likely to become less virulent with time. A recent study of 131 patients from Singapore has revealed a significant mutation: a less dangerous subtype of the virus with a shorter RNA molecule.” (paywalled link)
Dr Lee concludes with these observations which ought to reassure all those who are still scared out of their minds:
“There is still so much we do not even begin to understand, but one thing has been clear for months: this virus is similar to other viruses we have lived with for generations. And there is very little evidence to support the benefits of the lockdown measures.
The case for returning to normal life is simple: the social, economic and public health costs of not doing so are far greater. With the Covid hospital cases in Britain now running at 96 per cent below their peak, we can reasonably ask whether the overall situation might not be as bleak as we first feared and whether now is the time to get the country moving again.” (paywalled link)
Odd, isn’t it, that our politicians, so addicted to ‘following the science’, seem to be blithely unaware of the points made by Dr Lee. It’s as if they and their willing helpers in ‘Our MSM’ are content with dismantling our society, regardless.
Perhaps they are too scared to acknowledge that they got it wrong? Perhaps we, our society, are being sacrificed so they can ‘save face’? Never forget that we all are paying for this madness!
I hope Boris is keeping his head down as much as possible to keep the hyena Brexit spoilers at bay.. Sod the pandemic. It’s nothing compared to BRINO. If we don’t get Brexit , it’s curtains. It’ll be imperitive, like leaving Nazi Germany in the 30’s.. I believe Boris now understands this, even if he didn’t before. Head down and keep shoving Boris.
I believe the young left kids are actually Nazis. There is no discernable difference.Hopped Up, Testosterone lads with BBC ugly propoganda supported audience.
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Well done Viv. Thank you for telling us of Dr. John Lee’s genuine science.
Considering all that we know about this plague now, isn’t it a case of ”Came hour, came the virus”? Those who wish to rule us needed exactly this tool.
Or am I being a conspiracy theorist?
L Jones. You a conspiracy theorist? Maybe the conspiracy theorists are correct.
When I read the article yesterday morning in my copy of The Spectator my reaction was a mirror to that of the above article’s author’s reaction. I have even copied it to give to friends. It makes sense – to one like me who is not a medic or a politician. The video link supplied by Mr Keal is also most illuminating. The two (article and video) along with the readers’ comments makes one question the whole package.
And to a comment that The Spectator is a ‘minor’ magazine I must disagree. Apart from being the oldest continuously published magazine in English it has a large following both as a printed serial and online. Many will read the article in question and a few of these readers will be in a position to move things forward … I hope.
News from the Commonwealth. A doctor explains the extraordinary lengths authorities are still going to preventing doctors using hydroxychloroquine to treat patients infected with the ccp virus. Please spread it around.
Right in the beginning Boris seemed to be heading the same way as Sweden but then, or so it seemed to me, he did a sharp U-turn.
The course taken thereafter probably did spread the deaths out over a longer period. This may or may not have resulted in fewer deaths over-all but the economic and societal effects have been huge.
I do wonder if the fear can be kept alive long enough to get people to willingly take the CCP Virus vaccine when it eventually arrives.
As the sun in England follows the geese that’ve just departed from the field next to my house I know what I’ll be doing. I’ll be taking my vitamin D3 and K2 every day.
Michael Keal you are right in what you say there. Boris did want to go the way Sweden went. I remember noticing it at the time. Then as you say there was the first U turn. And that was before he was ill.
The information in Viv’s post today has been totally suppressed till now.
The more governMENTAL cockups and their lack of being prepared to look at scientific evidence makes me more and more sure that the hidden agenda by globalists is behind this fraud and over reaction. Even laymen can see the misinformation and scare tactics by brain cell challenged politicians and the billionaires behind this,is so transparent to beggar belief that the are so gullible and thick to take on board the fake science from the likes of “cock up “ (Leftie lover) Fergie and his discredited model and the vultures circling around, ready to pick up the cheap pickings.
This important article about the various ways we fight viruses is hidden in the Spectator, a minor magazine, and then further hidden behind a paywall. Why ever would they do that? It deserves headlines, it deserves screaming CAPITALS in the Daily Express. Don’t hold your breath.
Talking to someone on a walk yesterday we found that neither of us can understand why these ruinous policies are being pursued. She was inclined to conspiracy. Me? Cock-up. I’ve seen these people close-to.
JF
It can be both. There are many factions in a government with their own purposes.
Interesting article, I haven’t had a chance to read it properly yet but as to this:
“It’s as if they and their willing helpers in ‘Our MSM’ are content with dismantling our society, regardless.”
Dismantling our society is about right, what are these lunatics up to. I was reading some reports today that millions of people in the US and so that probably means here as well, after working hard all of their lives, are very unlikely to get their pensions.
The effect of the above is going to be unthinkable and is just one aspect of the looming disaster. People so far are allowing themselves to believe the government propaganda, best economy ever etc. We’re in for some very unpleasant times, if you thought 2020 was bad, I think 2021 will be much worse and it won’t get any better for quite some time by which time we’ll be eating each other alive. Maybe the theory that the globalists are trying to kill us off with a vaccine is true considering the total contempt that they have for us.
Totally agree Flyer, MSN going all out now for a second ‘lockdown’ and with getting rid of ‘Boris’ which won’t be difficult unless he gets a hold of himself and the cabinet who like the MSN and particularly the broadcast news channels are missing the changing mood outside of London where oddly enough most people live and work.
“they and their willing helpers in ‘Our MSM’”
The MSM and our politicians have been captured by the hyper-rich. Bribed, blackmailed or bonkers, they do as they are told.
JF
I just posted this on Norman’s article, I’ll post it here too, it just about sums things up.
“Pay Attention People! Its coming! Athena Robertson”
https://youtu.be/mLl0oHJb4pk
Mr. Obama was a very ineffective and hopeless president and I am sure a lot of what he did, or didn’t do and say could be taken apart, but this video was taken out of context. I agree this article should have a much wider audience. My neighbor takes the Spectator I am going to get a copy of the full article from him.
flyer you write “millions of people in the US…………are very unlikely to get their pensions”
Unfortunately you don’t say why or even if you are talking about state or private pensions.
Personally, I can envisage this, as I believe the maintenance of funds for pensions not only depends on the income from investors in the plan but income from those investors being invested in stocks and bonds, plus the regular income from those investments.
Would I be correct in my belief that this is a correct reading and that the situation on the ground is that the whole system on which the function of this market is damaged, such that there won’t just be an hiatus for a short while, but some of the actual providers of the pensions will collapse
Actually both private and state pensions are in trouble. I’m not too familiar with the US pension system but it seems that as the stock market has been rocketing higher through printed money. businesses have been raiding their pension funds to keep things ticking over.
I see that WFH will have massive impact on pensions.Public and private sector pension funds biggest assets are in property. Landlords rent out office space to businesses. Suddenly that requirement is whittled down as business owners decide, for example, that a building half the size will be sufficient. The landlord now has 50% building vacant. This reduces his income and the return on pension fund.
My guess is that sanity may creep back if Johnson can find the nerve to get the public sector back to work. Others will have no excuse but to return to their offices – if not for the whole week as before.
Roger Turner. I remember saying that myself some time ago. If our National Insurance payments and Income Tax payments in past years have not raised enough funds for the NHS and State Pensions now, it is because they have not been wisely invested.
That sounds to me like common sense.
I can only think money has been misspent, frittered away, STOLEN, over many years.
Pauline I know what you are saying, at least I think I do
You write National Insurance and ITax have not raised enough funds
It is my impression that NHI was never set up like a real insurance scheme, I.e. To pay out on money raised through investing, what is called “fully funded”, it actually has always operated as a giant Ponzi scheme, using the money paid in by employers and employees plus liberal supplements taken out of our taxes.
That’s always been the basic fault of e scheme and why it can never succeed