The Times, a.k.a. RemainCentral, has published an editorial today on the outlook for the EU after Brexit. Some very intriguing points are being made – points which had been there all along but were busily disregarded, not least by RemainCentral.
The article has the title: “The Times view on the European Union after Brexit: Troubled Continent” (link, paywalled) and starts with a gentle look back:
“Forty-seven years ago this month Britain joined the European Economic Community, the forerunner of what became in 1993 the European Union. It did so at its third attempt at a time of economic and strategic weakness. Britain’s growth had for years been underperforming its continental counterparts while the government found itself increasingly shut out of decision-making over rules it was often obliged to follow.
Since then Britain has done an awful lot to shape the EU. It spearheaded the creation of the single market. And it pushed for the expansion of the EU to include the newly liberated countries of central and eastern Europe after the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. But this journey will come to an end on January 31 when Britain leaves, capping what has been a tumultuous decade in the EU’s history.” (link, paywalled)
Didn’t we do good as EU members! It’s no wonder that the generation of 18-34 year olds are such keen Remainers: they simply have never known a time when the EU wasn’t there. I do wonder though why those of that same age group, who had never known life outside a communsit regime, managed to get rid of the Wall and ultimately the Soviet Union itself. Perhaps the ‘soft power’ of a Nanny state was more effective than the brutal subjugation by a ‘Father State’?
Next, there’s a recapitulation of ‘events’ which hit the EU – remember though that these events hit us as well as we were still firm EU members, albeit not of the Eurozone. I never thought that the feud between Blair and Brown on joining the Euro turned out to be such blessing for us:
“Brexit was only one of a series of shocks to hit the bloc over a decade. The first half was dominated by the financial crisis that had begun in Greece in the last weeks of 2009. This swiftly turned into an existential threat to the eurozone, as financial contagion spread to other vulnerable economies. Yet even as a line was finally drawn under the Greek situation in mid-2015, an even greater crisis was under way.
The arrival of more than a million refugees, encouraged in part by the German chancellor Angela Merkel’s ill-judged decision to throw open Germany’s borders, led to the near collapse of the EU’s Schengen passport-free travel area as member states reimposed border checks. The legacy of that crisis continues to poison EU politics to this day, fuelling support for anti-immigrant, Eurosceptic populist parties.” (link, paywalled)
Remember that ‘Eurosceptic’ and ‘populist’ have been the preferred terms of abuse thrown at Leavers. Also, replace ‘anti-immigrant’ with ‘racist’ and you get a good description of how the Remain MSM described us. As the GE showed, the whole UK must be riddled with such hateful critters, else why didn’t get gentle Corbyn his majority, especially when he promised such wonderful things … and isn’t it odd that these same invectives are now being used for huge numbers of people right across the EU, not just in the ‘enemy’ states of Poland and Hungary? Let’s continue:
“That the bloc overcame these crises and was able to stick together when faced with the trauma of Brexit could be cited as evidence of its durability. […] Yet this stability is illusory. Economic growth remains lacklustre and underpinned by a vast central bank bond-buying programme, without which market confidence might evaporate. […] Political instability across much of the EU’s southern neighbourhood means that the risk of a new refugee problem remains.” (link, paywalled)
The ‘trauma of Brexit’? Wasn’t it us who were traumatising the UK by voting to Leave? Moreover, have they already forgotten how Cameron, once a ‘spearhead’ for reforming the EU, for taking in those now so populist new members of the former Warsaw Pact states, went round the capitals of the EU member states, begging for concessions, some concessions, any concession, to avert a Referendum? That was only four years ago – what a long time ago that is!
Remainers always seem to regard the EU as totally blameless for the various crises described above, even if yet again EU intransigence might possibly lead to an even more severe crisis. The next quote is especially interesting when we recall M Macron’s plan to ‘make the EU a global player again’, as we reported here earlier today. RemainCentral writes:
“If the EU has been tested by unprecedented internal shocks, the next decade may be defined by how it responds to the extraordinary external challenges that have emerged in recent years. The EU started the decade brimming with self-confidence, believing that it was destined to play an enhanced role on the global stage. Today it finds itself fighting for strategic relevance, squeezed between an increasingly assertive China and an increasingly uninterested and even hostile United States.
The rules-based system that gives Europe’s smaller countries global clout is under unprecedented strain. […] EU efforts to form a united front in response to common challenges, from defence to climate change to digital taxation, have so far had limited success.” (link, paywalled)
Doesn’t it look as if that ‘rules-based system’ the EU prides itself of might in fact be the very system which might lead to its collapse? Doesn’t it look as if other EU member states are now also finding that these rules are in fact strangulations, thinly cloaked by that threadbare excuse for an “EU Democracy” , a.k.a. EUropean Parliament? As for that final paragraph – one would have to have a heart of stone not to weep:
“Europe enters the new decade under siege. Britain may consider itself well out of it. Yet a weakened Europe that becomes a playground for great powers is not in Britain’s interests. Nor have the economic and strategic factors that led the UK to seek a role in European decision-making 47 years ago gone away. The challenge of the next decade must be to create robust new mechanisms for co-operation to strengthen both Britain and the EU.” (link, paywalled)
Poor EU – and horrid us, especially as we dared to vote for Brexit while everything else is still so scary – and never mind that remaining in the EU would have us dragged deeper into that mire. Instead, this particular opinion piece cannot let go of Remain arguments while creating a ‘new front’, namely that, post-Brexit, it’s our turn to help the poor, downtrodden EU. If RemainCentral believes that, after all they and the EU have thrown at us Leavers it’s now our duty to be magnanimous to both Remain and the EU, then I think I can already hear the voices of us unwashed, populist, ‘eurosceptic’ peasants out here: ‘on yer bike, matey!’
Forty Seven years ago . . . according to the Times. Were we economically and strategically weak in the early 1970’s? If so what were the reasons? I vaguely remember arguments about who’s fault was inflation – unions or bosses. Were our industries lagging because methods and machinery were out of date compared to Western Europe which had been rebuilt post war. I suppose it is true that things had gone wrong. I suspect neither political party actually knew what needed doing, let alone the will to do it.
But why did Heath and his cronies believe joining the EEC would solve our problems?
After that the Times article degenerates further into meaningless ‘spin’. What rules were we forced to follow, before we joined? If that is what it means or is that sentence misplaced – actually belongs much further on. Did we do much to ‘Shape the EU’? first I knew of it. If the single market was our doing, which I doubt, how did it help us or anyone else? Weren’t their lakes of wine and mountains of something else.
Viv does right to scoff. Well it is ‘the Times’ The Mighty Times clearly it is their ROLE their undisputed RIGHT to write what happened not just during the past year but the past decade and indeed a great chunk of the last century.
Hence my previous comment – IDIOTS at the Times.
I often wonder about what Macmillan was up to. In the late sixties he was in serious negotiations with USA to gain their agreement to adapt Polaris. By all accounts it was a desperate and fierce battle. Did the Americans require us to join the EU as a condition of granting us a Polaris licence? The Yanks were certainly very keen to get us in. Remember the CIA were involved in Heath’s plans to soften us up using the BBC and other media.
This article in Brexit Central so expertly and accurately analysed by Viv, shows why the half clever of England differ so much from us – the proles and deplorables. If we manage to get clean away from the clutches of the eurotocracy, I would like to see the Brits support those leaders on the Continent who have ishoos with the EU and help push over this illegitimate superstate structure once and for all. We can then start building a voluntary cooperation of European states on intergovernmental agreement. A free and independent Britain has so much to offer the world of the future.
I recon that I have top weight upon what we Brexit folk want, and the emerging panic from the EU who don’t wish to see us take what we want. The people have given the EU a good smack, by getting our Government into a clear majority. Boris now has the tools to complete the job of Brexit and indeed now, to take what we want if negotiations fail ! – It seems to turn upon the EU doing a deal with us, if they are sufficiently aware that the rules of the game have now changed in our favour. – They could lose a very useful market ! – Under WTO rules, we could be playing the world for trade, and the EU are scared that we could do rather well. – Poor loves, it’s their worst nightmare !
The one Joker in the hand is Scotland ! The SNP are all for kilts, sporrans, and William Wallace ! – Home rule for Scotland and the end of English dominance ! – I’m not a Scott, but I have some understanding for this. ….. Where my understanding totally fails, is their wish to remain in the EU ! Out with the Pound and in with the Euro ! – If they thought English dominance was bad, they don’t have a clue about EU dominance ! Are they in fact deafened by the sound of bagpipes ? – What will happen when the Pound increases in value, but the Euro falls in value ? – What will happen if the movement by us tempts others to leave, but income to Brussels will not be the same as it was ?
If anyone has a line on this, please advise me. ….. I part company with Boris on this. – If the Scotts want another referendum on separation, then let them have it, but with a legal agreement of no further vote on this matter for 50 years ! – Damnit we are British not Spanish, and we are going to change our Trading policy, against the will of Scotland ! ….. I don’t want to see the Scotts leave the UK, but I truly feel that they should be given the right to decide upon our change to Trade. – Holding them against their will cannot be healthy for the UK, and the rest of the UK needs clarity on this. – They need to check their history from 1700, and the expensive mistake they made with The Darien Scheme ! – It cost them a lot !
Hi Mike. Your knowledge of Scottish history is clearly better than mine but I’m raising a few points against giving them a second Indyref. First, surely a referendum is by definition a once only decision. Well it is a bit debatable I can see. Did the Scots know we were all voting on leave or remain with EU and did they realise that staying with us could mean leaving EU. One Scot I know was fully aware, voted to stay with UK and leave EU.
I get your point about making one exception but then saying no more for 50yrs. But no, I’d say let them wait and see, maybe as much as 50yrs. After all they couldn’t stay in the EU on the old terms even now. No way can an Independent Scotland share our currency and rely on the Bank of England to be lender of last resort. It’s all right SNP saying they are being dragged out of the EU against their will but isn’t that just party political speak.
I suspect the support for SNP is largely a matter of being fed up to the back teeth with everyone else and they are over represented at Westminster by the way.
What UK needs to do is strengthen the bonds – and I’m more worried about Northern Ireland than Scotland. Different parts of Britain have different resources. All should be utilised and all fairly rewarded.
I’ve a feeling Mike you believe they would vote to stay with us. I think so too. But let’s see how it goes for a bit.
Remain failed to stop Brexit in the courts, in Parliament, and at elections, despite their 4 long years of hostility and abuse. The latest wheeze by Remain is to call for national unity – a “coming together” to begin the “healing process” – by which they hope to wheedle some form of compromise (fake) Brexit. It is just a new tactic to cheat us out of Leave.
But Remain have just wheedled their fake Brexit to cheat us out of Leave. It’s called the New Withdrawal Agreement, which is just as much a BRINO as Mrs May’s misnamed Withdrawal Agreement that the Commons voted down three times last year. It got through the Commons by 124 votes on 20th December 2019 last month.
Well said, but it all seems to go together with the current WA, that needs further amendment if we are to escape the EU’s clutches any time soon.
The new joint committee set up by this WA (not Parliament) interprets and applies the WA, during the one-year transition period. Clause 1 of Article 174 says that where a dispute submitted to arbitration raises a question of EU law, then the ECJ, Brussels’s tool, will make a binding decision on the arbitration. Thus the UK members of the joint committee will always be overruled by the EU side.Any disagreement/dispute will be seen as affecting EU law, as the WA is a legal document.
Westminster has accepted that this WA is part of EU law, not international law. By accepting that the UK can only appeal against the decisions of the joint committee to the ECJ, Westminster has surrendered UK sovereignty and accepted Britain’s status as a province in the EU.
Article 50 is over once we have “left”, so only the UK being able to ask for an extension no longer applies after we have have left and are in a “transition” period.
There is nothing to stop the EU committee members seeking any extension before 2020 and who is to stop it happening? The ECJ will take the EU’s side and parliament can do nothing. EU law applies and not the UK’s. This new WA will just make us an EU colony if that Clause 1 remains. A lot can happen in one year. Our elected Parliament will be overruled by an all-powerful secret junta / joint committee. The relevant part of this unnecessary WA has not changed…
There is only one way to leave and the UK needs to take it…There is no compromise…
Thank you Peter Zac, you have noticed what I have also in the Withdrawal Agreements. I’ve been writing to newspapers about the WA’s Joint Committee for a year at least, but only the local paper published my letters. Before that I wrote to three of my MEPs and three members of the House of Lords about it, but got no acknowledgement of receipt. I didn’t bother writing to my local MP as he is a Remainer. Then I started sending articles to Independence Daily and they had the courtesy to publish them.
But after 31st January this month the UK comes under the direct rule of the EU through the Joint Committee in the transition period. Rather than indirect EU rule through the Westminster Parliament. Eventually Independence Daily could be censored or forced to close along with other media outlets critical of the EU. Boris Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement withdraws Britain from membership of the EU, to make Britain a directly administered colony of the EU instead.
I agree NickC. Never mind ‘healing process’ ‘coming together’ It is not this country that has riots on the streets. Such talk is almost as sick making as talking about our ‘friends’ in the EU.
IDIOTS at the Times is about all anyone can say.
Viv and Debbie , you provide many of the steps between general lack of understanding and ( I dunno) , and understanding .Excellent.
“It’s no wonder that the generation of 18-34 year olds are such keen Remainers”.
I’d appreciate a source for that, as i’ve heard it so often.
When will these idiots at the Times get it into their heads that we do not want ANY ties whatsoever to the evil empire. This sums up my sentiments very well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2zJ8vaB5jo
Sorry I haven`t got time or words Viv to comment so all I will say regarding this article and your daily “Betrayal” is BRILLIANT, you have assessed the whole set up to a “T” and got us in a proper state to really make this a successful Brexit after all.
How can we now fail when we`ve got you and the Times behind us