Written by ‘Classical Liberal’
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Police investigations into group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE) in Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Oxford, Bristol, Newcastle, North Wales and other parts of the country attracted considerable media and public interest and eventually compelled the government to commission the Home Office to look into this as a nationwide problem.
The Rotherham, Rochdale, and Telford child abuse networks were comprised of men of mainly Pakistani origin, which prompted many commentators to speculate that grooming gangs might be particularly associated with the Pakistani-heritage community.
After considerable delay, the Home Office report on ‘Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation: Characteristics of Offending’ was eventually published on 15 December 2020. The government originally promised to release the report in 2018, then started to backtrack. And, when The Independent made a Freedom of Information Request, the Home Office claimed that publication was not in the ‘public interest’. The government eventually agreed to publish the report after a petition was signed by over 130,000 people.
For those of us who are most interested to know if members of some ethnic groups are more likely to belong to grooming gangs than others, the ‘Key findings’ on ‘offender ethnicity’ are as follows:-
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‘Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly White.’
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‘Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations. However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending.’
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‘This is due to issues such as data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.’ (p.8)
I would like to stress four points here, all of which show how the Home Office deliberately tried to avoid answering the key question about whether members of some ethnic groups are more likely to belong to grooming gangs than others.
First, to say that offenders are ‘most commonly’ white is basically meaningless. ‘Most commonly’ can mean anything from 51% to 99%. A proper report would have provided figures, perhaps some pie charts, and maybe even an Excel spreadsheet. According to the 2011 census, the UK population is 86% White; 7.5% Asian; 3.3% Black, 2.2% Mixed/Multiple, and 1% Other. Therefore, it would be most surprising if offenders were not most commonly white. Above all, this is a way of avoiding answering the key question about whether members of some ethnic groups are more likely to belong to grooming gangs than others. We want to know how many white British men per 100,000 white British men are convicted for child grooming; how many British Muslim men per 100,000 British Muslim men are convicted for child grooming; etc. This would show if some groups are over-represented relative to the demographics of national populations, or not.
Second, the claim that some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations is a deliberate understatement. Asians seem to be massively over-represented. The Home Office report mentions a 2011 study by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP), which found that ‘Where data was available 30% of offenders were White, while 28% were Asian’. (p.26) Of course, the Home Office can use this study to claim that White offenders are more common than Asian. But, the real story from this particular study is that although 86% of the population is White, only 30% of offenders are white; whereas although only 7.5% of the population is Asian, 28% of offenders are Asian. Asians seem to be massively over-represented.
Third, to talk about ‘Asian’ offenders is not really that helpful. ‘Asian’ covers a whole continent with very different cultures, including Hindus from India and Muslims from Pakistan and Bangladesh. The Rotherham, Rochdale, and Telford child abuse networks were made up of men of mainly Pakistani origin. Therefore, it would have been better to ask if men of Pakistani origin, or Muslims more generally, rather than Asians, are over-represented in grooming gangs. The report also mentions a Somali grooming gang in Bristol as a way of saying we can’t just blame Asians, because some offenders are black. Yet, this misses the point that Somalis are overwhelmingly Muslim, even if they are African Muslims rather than Asian Muslims. In short, it is just another politically correct attempt to avoid talking about Islam – and whether some Muslims behave in ways that are incompatible with British values.
Fourth, by the time I had finished reading the report, I had lost count of the number of times poor quality data was used as an excuse to justify not reaching conclusions about whether or not there is an over-representation of Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations. I believe that the government could easily have found better data with all the resources and information at their disposal – if there had been a political will to do so. It should not be difficult to gather data on those actually convicted of being involved in grooming gangs. These cases are usually reported in the national press, often giving the names and photos of offenders. This is exactly how Peter McLoughlin gathered such comprehensive data for his ground-breaking and definitive study Easy Meat: Inside Britain’s Grooming Gang Scandal (2016). And, above all, the Home Office oversees the prison system and should know who has been imprisoned for grooming offences. They certainly had more than enough time to gather this data – especially when we consider how long this report was delayed. As Labour MP for Rotherham, Sarah Champion, who was sacked from Jeremy Corbyn’s front bench for speaking out on child grooming, said:
‘There are almost 100 people in jail now from grooming in and around Rotherham. Nationally there are between 500 and 1000 people in jail for these offences. That’s quite a decent sample size isn’t it? Why doesn’t the Home Office simply sit down with these offenders, interview them, and create an offenders’ profile from that?’
The Home Office’s report was meant to put the official spotlight on one of the greatest scandals in recent British history – the systemic abuse of white working-class girls by Asian men. Instead, the report concluded that offenders are ‘most commonly white’ – as a deliberate way of ignoring the question of whether or not there is an over-representation of Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations. This is a politically correct cover-up. As Sammy Woodhouse, a survivor of child abuse commented:
‘I want perpetrators to be held to account for their criminal activity regardless of race or religion because unfortunately they haven’t, and it still remains a subject that we cannot openly discuss. No-one should be exempt.’
Thus, rather than exposing the grooming gangs, the report provides a case study in how the government continues to block any attempt to get to the truth of the matter.
Where are the people who DO something, Viv and Debbie have done and are continueing. They have my admiration.
TR was another who did things, for lack of our support, was sent to jail.
AMW isolated and whispered about ( Nasty ).
Anybody showing signs of actually DOING something was isolated and emasculated. I even at one stage voted against Henry , because nothing had happened. I never, and nor did most others, knew what he faced.. It must have been horrific and evil. From James through Nuttall, Batten , even to Ben walker.. Ineffectual Horror..How do you fight nothing. It’s a vindictive schoolgirls punishment.They know what to do but it just doesn’t happen.Castration by not listening.or hearing. It is near reaching the stage where rather than just moving on, something is going to give ( Personally I look forward to it ). ID articles have knowledgeable advice, and info. With supportive features and posts. Everything that is needed to KNOW is out there and useable. Just Act not Eat,
Who what where when why and how and maybe COVID can give us the stick.
For example;-O/AZ; The most easily distributed and administered, even usable together with Pfizer. I haven’t heard or found one being given to anybody yet. I hope they aren’t playing politics, such as virtue signalling, with their own population or class or other unknown categories.
So far ,to date, I have spoken to over 40 Pfizer promised or received Pfz. . Nil of O/AZ. All of whom have refused Pfizer and given willingness to wait for their prference.Just a bit odd I think.. This I do not understand. It,s six weeks now since my first contact had his Pfz, and I thought it was only 2 weeks behind getting approval ?
All the media are saying how good it is and how many are being produced, while giving us the other.,,.. Suspicious ?
Interlude I have just had three phone calls Two were from people I know and anothe who hadn’t In about an hour or so. They havent really helped.. ??
The worst of British “lets do nothing culture” hopeless leadership not only lets down those that have been abused, much worse it emboldens the perpetrators who have known for some time that their chances of being caught and prosecuted is the same as that of a violent foreign thug arriving in the UK has of being deported, zero. We are pathetic.
The destruction of law and order in Britain is about complete, the rights of all individuals to freedom of speech and liberty have all but gone.
All UK leadership positions are now held by liberal nonentities who toe the liberal narratives re race, gender and free speech suppression, lest the population find out what they are really up to.
Suppression of the truth, the breakdown of law and order, the look the other way race policing, de-platforming the likes of Tommy Robinson and anyone who dares to question anything politicians, police, council members, their employees, judges, the media and others in positions of trust and power say.
This is the worst leadership crisis in our lifetime and many of these failings are also happening elsewhere.
British elected and appointed officials are sanctioning assault, rape, drug running, child molestation and murder to name a few, by covering these crimes up.
Oh and pretending that a mild flu is going to kill us all if we don’t be good puppies and do what they say and roll our selves up.
They should all be removed, tried and put away for 20 + 20 (did I get that in the right order?)
We have had countless ‘bended knees’ , hundreds of thousands – at least – HONOURING and paying homage to a convicted career criminal and gangster by the name of Floyd.
One dirty criminal, caught in the act of criminality, died.
And the ‘black world’, plus a huge number of SERVILE whites, MOURNED, and continue to do so, ON THE ORDERS OF THEIR BLM MASTERS
Who are BLM?
Well the full description is still in the melting pot…but, suffice to say that they
riot,
pillage,
burn,
destroy,
loot,
abuse and attack every Police man or woman in sight. (Essentially THEIR protectors!) in the USA, UK and many other Western countries.
We still see it now…….hands raised In a form of ‘supplication’.p, as though to some deity.
Thus also includes British politicians policemen officials , the whole demented crowd….and I feel sure that most of US are incredulous as to the effrontery of it all.
MEANWHILE let me tell you (but you already know!) ……for twenty years, and more, Pakistani Muslims…and other mid European Muslims, have industrially sexually abused, between 2018-19 ALONE, around TWENTY THOUSAND vulnerable children ……….
and not ONE footballing knee bent in sympathy. NOT ONE STINKING OVERPAID FOOTBALLER HAS BOTHERED TO OPENLY PAY HOMAGE TO THOSE INNOCENTS.
NOT ONE!!!
And the black footballers indignantly complain NATIONALLY when some stupid fans call them names.
CALL THEM NAMES!!!!!
And one or two of the leaders of this indignant overpaid mob?
Why, of course……Ian Wright, (another overpaid BBC pundit no less) and the ‘Saintly’ Rashford – (he, whose father ran away into the nether dark fornicating backstreet regions, abandoning a family to be brought up on the Taxes of 93 million ‘racist whiteys’ ……….all of their lives.
Is it not time SOMEBODY stood up to these multicoloured morons and told them a few Home truths, to show some RESPECT for these abused children, and also reminded them about how this country has enriched them, in relation to the support they would NOT have gotten from their indigenous Black nations or Homelands.
(Uncle Tom, you can help me down from my soap-box now!)
Misterpaul5a – who are BLM? One of their ‘roots’ is the ‘Black Panthers’ I believe.
Tommy Robinson (like him or loath him) exposed all this and look what happened to him!
JF – as posted before – and more nigerian newsreaders on British tv than I ever saw when living in Nigeria. Counting the other Bassets Allsorts, indiginous white presenters are a dieing breed, just like actors and actresses.
‘Bassets Allsorts’ – huh, I’ve not come across those for many a year .. but it’s an excellent description of what is \presented’ us on the telly’
It seems to me that the collected matter highlighted by this article and posts. Is a standard British problem.. Everyone wants to make an announcement of importance. No body wants the effort to produce a definitive textbook page.I personally willingly admit to incompetence of the written word. But most others seem eminantly suitable. Could or would a so called Party produce a page on an item , that is factually ( or best accepted ) correct , To produce a textbook page ( Which can easilybe made a leaflet .To build up a body of knowledge. In the manner of textbooks these can be updated or argued. But at least there is something ..to start instead of yah sucks boo liar etc.
It seems to me that any organisation of any worth and respect would have something like this.
A British Standard.
6. Political Textbook . Grooming Gangs
6.7 Sub topic. Cause.
6.7.3 Sub,subRace Reasons
etc
And so on is one way there are probably many better ways . Unless we do something the same will be rehashed brainlessly forever. It needs nailing down.Hansard records of Select committees bibliography could be good .
At least it would show that we are adopting a real authoritive position. Not a shouting rabble.Think of the ripples.
Actually , Hansard may already do something of the kind. Does anyone know.?
T. G. Spokes. Hasn’t Classical Liberal produced exactly what you are asking for?
And I.D. have put it in front of you on your screen.
Now it is up to you. Turn it into a P.D.F. (Print Document Format.) Print it out, and distribute it by hand or post, whatever.
Err . . . . no. I know what is needed but don’t have the means either!
Yes . But it’s not a text book. Its a story, It’s sort of designed to elicit emotion with odd or imprecise or not in proper cantext facts scattered here and there few complete in themselves. They seem floating in mid air. .A good article for a magasine or newspaper. Nothing in it is complete and standing on its own ,,.In a text book Everything is in a list of the same items with bibliography and proof. I knowthat I often question seeming facts.( That is a part of it “seeming”,, and not just that, there are of course lies, half facts and so on ). In a text book you can trust every fact.
It’s like 1400 deaths seems a lot. But per day ,month, how many live, are some affected.
It’s Euclid….. It’s a lot of work But it’s Gold.As is the author.
Who, what, when, where why and how, and the other one.” maybe” ?
Has anyone on this site ever bothered to view Britain first, or is this group ( not yet allowed to form a party by the British government) too right wing to be accepted.
Yes Alan, I receive Britain First emails regularly, although not a member. I elect to do so because they seem to be just about the only group nowadays who actually goes out into the streets and does something not just talk. I can see nothing far right about them, just patriots and although their focus is too narrow at the moment, on Islam and grooming gangs, however important that is, I like their dynamicism and think they could become more popular as a political party, hence the tardiness (or suppression) in allowing this.
A pity that they also come under criticism and attack from others on the right who should be their allies.
Just had a look. Most of what they SAY is o.k. but apparently they resort to violence.
Apparently? Do they or don’t they and according to whom? Some of their members in the past I believe have been robust in confronting those in premises where grooming has been going on but nothing like the “largely peaceful” actions of others, more like shouting matches.Of course the RoPers are the victims here.
These abusers are following the Core Ann to the letter. Exactly in the foot steps of their prof ate who also advocated the death of non-members and all dew. s.
Koran, prophet, Jews. There is no algorithm moderation on this site, don’t play their game.
I have to ask, but did anyone really expect anything different?
This was always going to be an exercise in edging round the truth.
Not until people come to their senses and realise what the establishment parties are doing, and that the native population are to be the whipping boy, is it ever likely to be any different. It will get worse.
Thank you Classical Liberal. You are definitely correct that the report is a cover up by the Home Office. We ‘the people’ know that in fact, Muslims males are the most likely to offend in this way.
Back in the 1960’s I was approached by a Muslim male – was able to deal with it myself.
Far more recent, had an interesting conversation with a Muslim female nurse. They are not all bad, no. But those that are need dealing with not ‘covering up’.
And why let any immigrants in anyway. We’ve enough people of our own.
“British Muslim”; an oxymoron if ever there was one, all brought about by the failure of government to issue time-limited visas / work permits with rigorous requirements. Then compounded by the allowing of construction or conversion of buildings to mosques. Wherever there is a Muslim minority in a non-Muslim country they cause trouble as we have seen in the recent article on Myanmar, all falsely reported by the British press. They even scrap amongst themselves in Muslim countries!
All in all what a disastrous legacy we have allowed government to leave for our descendants. Add to that Covid, the Green Crappery and the quest for ever more control and we can only see a truly Orwellian future for them and those of us who might survive for a good few more years.
Let us hope that enough people see just what they have allowed to happen. It will only get worse, especially as the ‘short lists’ get longer if you take my meaning, The establishment parties have to be driven out, along with all the politically correct nonsense and much more besides.
“British Muslim”; an oxymoron.
The one that annoys me is ”African American”. Oh, just arrived eh?
How many generations do you have to live somewhere to be naturalised?
Maybe ask a white south african?
The political class in the UK doesn’t trust the voters. They think that if they tell the truth about anything which is related to race or immigration then the racists will seize on that truth, and because everyone in the UK is liable to turn into a slavering Nazi given the least excuse we’ll all immediately start wearing black footie bags and marching through the East End.
They are only sheltering us from reality because they know that we’re not as sensible and pure minded as they are. In the same way BAME people are vastly over-represented in TV advertising – the truly good people who make the ads know that we cannot be trusted with the truth – after all, if we realise that new generation Brits aren’t really 50% of the population we might forget about feeling guilty and just all get along together.
We can’t have that. How then will they be able to use divide and rule techniques on us?
JF
In 2016 the very old Pakistani community – 3 generations – asked for UKIP help with the racist East Europeans. Funny old thing, didn’t see that in the papers.
Well of course we will Julian – all turn into slavering Nazi’s I mean. It won’t be the East End this time though. Surely it is Downing Street, Parliament Square and Whitehall ! Oh, and Fleet Street, or it’s modern equivalent.