Ed: At the end of September our contributor Alan Piper wrote a letter to his constituency MP. He gave us permission to publish it – you can read it again here. He contacted his MP again, about BJ’s ‘tier system’, and received the following reply, ‘totally on message’, as Alan wrote when he gave me permission to publish this letter as well as his reply. Alan’s MP is Tim Farron LibDem, so we can predict that he won’t join the Tory covid ‘rebels’.
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Tim Farron MP’s reply to Alan Piper’s letter:
“Dear Alan
Thank you very much for your recent email with regard to the forthcoming vote on the new tier system in Parliament.
I have considerable concerns for the long-term economic health of wet pubs and I hope you have been able to access small business grants during this second lockdown, although I know it will never make up for lost income that you could be making, especially at this time of year.
I, like you, am fed up with restrictions. It has been nine long months since we entered the first lockdown in late March of this year and 2020 has since been defined by face masks, shielding, furlough, social distancing, and bubbles – concepts that were foreign to us only a year ago. Many of us haven’t seen family or friends in far too long and we are all desperately longing for things to return to normal. However, with the roll-out of three new vaccines, we can now see the light at the end of the tunnel and it would be foolish to throw away our hard-won achievements. If you’ll forgive the football analogy, we are in the 89th minute and we are a goal ahead (the R is decreasing). We shouldn’t be running into the middle of the pitch for a free-for-all, we should be heading to the corner flag to run down the clock.
I can assure you that this matter weighs heavily on me. However, I will undertake due diligence and will examine the evidence presented to me and scrutinise the legislation, when it becomes available. Because we are so close to actual herd immunity through vaccination, I will not take this decision lightly.
Mrs P asks a good question. The primary reason for us being moved up into Tier 2 has an answer in two parts. The first is that it appears that the Government is now allocating to tiers by county areas not district areas as before, so Cumbria as a whole has been moved into Tier 2. The second is that case rates in the 60+ demographic in Barrow and Carlisle are too high. I quote from the Health Minister’s written statement on tier allocations:
“The picture in Cumbria is broadly improving although case rates in Carlisle and South Lakeland are increasing – with increases likely due to a large school outbreak. Case rates in over 60s are above 100 per 100,000 in Carlisle and Barrow-in-Furness. These case rates are too high for allocation to tier 1 but Cumbria’s trajectory does currently not warrant inclusion in tier 3.”
With best wishes
Yours sincerely
TIM FARRON MP”
Alan Piper replied to Mr Farron and gave us permission to publish it as well:
“Hi Tim, thanks for the detailed reply.
Just to be clear, after serious thought we cannot operate under tier 2. Aside of all the group/bubble rules, bar staff apart it would mean employing 3 or 4 staff to produce and serve food, then chasing people out after they’ve eaten. What people, at this time of year?
And why on earth can’t their bubbles linger over a drink.? Makes no sense.
Our bar (free house, 8 real ales, etc) does more trade than the food and room income streams put together, although this time of year most of our trade would be locals who won’t want to eat. Before Boris’ latest, we were planning to open 4pm to 8ish, Monday to Thursday and a bit longer over the weekends. Not a big covid risk but not doable now.
So I won’t be spending serious money heating the building and water for guests, but I will be throwing away about a grand’s worth of booze, again. (It was more than double that in March).
And looking forward to trading again…. when? 5 days over xmas? Doubt it. Selling what? Which local brewery is going to fire up again for 5 days trade?
I will be paying the mortgage of course, without cashflow, but again, until when? Spring? Do you seriously think Boris and co are going back off when a vaccine arrives?
I think they’re getting the taste for lording it now.
What I find incredible is that the only tangible opposition is coming from his back benches. You know better than anyone, Barrow is 25 miles away, Carlisle about 70 and July to October we served all comers from all over without any issues, CV or otherwise.
Yes we got a grant during lockdown, have taken out a Bounce Back loan and have received a little more now but Parliament seems to have given up questioning the executive and we are run by a group of 4 people, bankrupting the country in the process. For a flu variant.
Sorry but the future looks very bleak from here. I’d rather settle for herd immunity and the vulnerable protected as per Barrington Declaration, that dancing to the control freakery of Hancock, Boris and his latest squeeze.
Yours etc.
Alan Piper
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Ed: Alan’s letter shows what the conditions ‘on the ground’ are really like, how these covid tiers affect businesses like pubs, even those not exactly in ‘urban covid hotspots’. He also touches on the situation for breweries, especially small ones, and other suppliers to the pub trade. These are the wealth creators on whose back the civil serpents ride and think up measures which do more damage, in the long run, than even ‘long covid’.
If you have received similar or indeed ‘rebel’ replies from your MPs, please think about letting us re-publish such correspondence! We all need to know what ‘our’ representative covid peacocks tell you and us!
Just watched UK Column today’s broadcast and highly recommend it. . Among other shocking things is f a man reduced to despair and robbed of his business , who decided to mount a solo protest. The police arrested and manhandled him. I have now seen routine footage of police brutality on ordinary folk; yet my MP says he has not seen ant evidence of police brutality !!!!!!!! As far as he’s concerned, it doesnt exist.
It’s as old as the hills Mary
“Hear nought” “See nought” ” Say nought”
I wrote to my MP, firstly, re the vote on Tuesday. Reply; He’s supporting it and that’s that.
Second, I also complained about the Covert Human Intelligence Sources Bill (Excuse for this bill: to protect from prosecution public servants who have to “get their hands dirty” while penetrating e.g, terrorist rings; but which which opens the way to a very slippery slope where police etc can get away with unlimited brutality. He replied that ” it absolutely does not give Police or Intelligence Service officers the power to kill or maim. The powers it grants are proportional to the threats the UK faces from criminal and terrorist activity and he l is proud to support it. With regard to lockdown protests, he notes that these have been dealt with entirely proportionally as would be expected for large scale illegal gatherings taking place in the middle of a public health emergency. He has seen no evidence the Police have behaved ‘brutally’. “
Speaking, I hope ironically Mary, perhaps your MP has a point about police brutality.
The patent evidence of their docility was made very apparent when they and their chief opted “to bend the knee”at the behest of the BLM statue bashers
Never mind their failure to break up gatherings that I believe we’re illegal at that time
Spot on Bryan. Ask for the full script. It is free. john.cruttwell@sfr.fr
Perhaps it is worth my while trying again, after several months of silence.
When we vote for ANY party government we empower it to do as it likes. This is because the game they had constructed for us to play, the only game in town which is allowed, which they tell us is democracy, is in fact “elective dictatorship” (Lord Hailsham).
The elective dictatorship functions like this: They prepare a manifesto for you and this manifesto is a “package”. This means that when you vote for their manifesto you CONSENT (sic) to government control of ALL the ingredients in that package. There is no opt out.
Even worse, having consented to a government with a majority, you then empower it to as it likes with respect to any matter arising not in the manifesto. Since 349 pages of the CV Bill 2020 could not have been drafted in the short time before enactment this was pre-planned.
It was Hailsham who warned in 1970 ” It is the Parliamentary majority which has the potential for tyranny” and was laughed at. Covid-19 is that tyranny..
I admit, we have been cleverly tricked but if we blindly continue as we are we only have ourselves to blame.
I am quite happy to supply the full explanation for free (as far too long to put here) but will end with this warning. We must understand that the whole party system is the revolution against our liberty-protecting constitution, so don’t think a new party can be the answer.. ALL will be explained if you contact john.cruttwell@sfr.fr. I am near York.
Viv is continually seeking articles for ID. Why don’t you write one and explain your ideas there? The most number of parts per article I think I have seen is 4, although I don’t know if there is any limit, just the 1000 word limit for each part.
I would suggest if you cannot drum up enough interest for at least more information in 4000 words then it’s stony ground.
I think the “come into my den, I’ve somthing nice to show you” approach isn’t very appealing to most folk.
Give it a try.
Jim,
if that comment is for me, I have tried, months and months ago. It was turned down. That is why I have refrained from even bothering to open ID.until now when the seriousness of the situation ought to have enticed a response. Apparently not so. I have full sympathy with Alan Piper. Why he is not interested in what I have to offer baffles me.
Let me try again on a slightly different tack.
Our proper constitution is based on the separation of powers between the Monarch, The Lords and the Commons and those powers are supposed to be kept separate by the Act of Settlement 1701, The Coronation Oath Act 1688,and Common Law. The Act of Settlement is supoosed to prohibit an MP being in the employ of the Crown, at the Coronation the Monarch takes an oath to the people obey and enforce their laws and customs. No legislation is supposed to be enacted without the free and informed consent of all three institiutions. THe party system kills all that, as the the Commons is not free but whipped, MPs can also be Ministers, the Monarch has not personally assented since 1854 (according to the House of Lortds office) and acts oi “advice” of Ministers and thus our appeal to the Crown, as in 1972 to stop Heath, is worthless!!
Because the Monarch’s ancient pre-rogative to appoint Ministers of integrity and experience has been squashed by the party system (see my article)we get career seeking politicians whose future is based on doing as they are told (!), so matters do not arise singly and are discussed freely in advance of any decision but we get the “packaged” manifesto programme as already explained.
How much more corruption of the proper do you need before responding?
john.cruttwell@sfr.fr
A bit of a problem with communication but you’re right about parties especially existing mainstream ones. Must say alarm bells were jangling and red lights flashing in my mind at thought of Tory (or any other mainstream party). being given carte blanche to do as they liked. I’d seen enough to conclude they had no principles and were globalist marxist. Cant think why the vast majority of the nation just didnt see this.
I did vote for a UKiP candidate last election, and would have done the same even in a marginal seat, but I voted for the person.rather than the shattered remains of a once hopeful party .
Reading Farron’s reply is enough to make any sane person trying to run a business jump off Beachy Head. He is part of the problem that we have in politics today, and most definitely not the solution. He and his ilk need to be banished from parliament and politics altogether, and hopefully before long that objective will be achieved through the ballot box, which is the only way. The Liberal Democrats were always wet whatever the issue at hand, but now they have competition in there area of politics namely the Conservative Party, which has proved anything but conservative in recent times. It is high time we got rid of the whole damn lot and consign them to the dustbin of history where they truly belong. Neither of these two parties will be really missed, and the same can be said of Labour as well. There is not the width of a cigarette paper between all of them. It is indeed a dire political situation. New parties will come to the fore before long and certainly by the time of the next general election. However we should strike the first blow against the incumbent parties in May 2021. They all deserve a right royal pasting, the like of which has never been seen before.
…….and EVERY single Tory councillor must be challenged!!!!! No exceptions.
I second that Jake, but saying it is one thing, but getting people to stand as candidates is another. Are you intending to stand?
Thanks both for your thoughts. What can we do? My suggestion to anyone who knows NF is get him to realise he cannot do it on his own. Even the rarified intellects can now see there is far more amiss than they initially thought. This idiot would love to get an hour with him and the people he trusts, just to present an idea that he would probably hate. But then again…. and DC is available too.
Organise to win. Since computers, organising has been lost. They cannot do it. They cannot show you anything but the standard garbage in.. . And people have stopped innovating. They rake over the old muck. We only now see what we expect or want. ” Those who will not see ” ..Put a man in a lab coat and he stops thinking outside the box, and hygenically disposes of the penicillin clue.
The response from this MP is not unusual – When making a complaint to my MP I get in return the official government response. No longer do MPs represent our view to parliament – they represent the party line to constituents.
Spot on Bryan. Even the Tory MPs who are complaining are part of the system to which they have consented by taking the Whip.
Can I put it another way. When we vote for a party we consent to the manifesto contents (as do the candidates) in ADVANCE of any detailed discussion. So the candidates have to adopt the party line too, in advance of any detailed discussion and of course that is the reply you get when you write in.
The party system has destroyed the constitutional separation of powers and our liberty has suffered. We cannot withdraw our consent or we will be arrested as demonstrators have found. As Hailsham also said the Commons is supposed to be thecheck on the Executive, not part of the Executive.. What is even worse is that the umpire or route of appeal to the Crown, which we once had has been cancelled (as we found out in 1972) . The Crown “acts on the advice” of Ministers and “Royal Assent” is a fiction carried out by a House of Lords committee.
Do you wonder you feel helpless?
Serial rebel and independent firebrand Matt Hancock has spoken up boldly for small businesses and people who just want some return to…
No, can’t say it even as a joke.
JF
Shocking situation for businesses like Alans and what can we do apart from continuing to harangue our MPs to see sense.