As predicted, the Tories were put to the sword at the local council elections, and Labour suffered badly as well. UKIP also suffered significant losses. Much the same happened at the European Parliamentary elections where the two major parties were demolished, the Brexit Party won the day, and UKIP were all but wiped out. This could well result in a general election later this year, and this is what we need to be focussing on.
Brexit is stalled, as the whole of the establishment is desperately trying to keep us under the heel of EU occupation any way they can. The only opposition to this by political parties is UKIP and the Brexit Party. UKIP has been around a while now and has amassed a loyal, but ever-shrinking, following. However, we still have some demons to exorcise from the party, and some in-house cleaning to do, but UKIP still needs to exist as a reliable anchor point for the leave campaign. The Brexit Party is a new kid on the block and is really a one-man-band, but that one man is the most well-known and most recognisable person in the cause of British liberation and is being remarkably successful where it counts … at the ballot box. I will not mention his name at this point as you will all know who I am talking about.
In the end, neither UKIP nor the Brexit Party matter a jot. All that really matters is getting Britain completely out from under EU occupation, and we must all never lose sight of this ultimate objective. If either of these parties has to make sacrifices to achieve our objective then so be it, the crucial objective being British liberation. Someone once said “my enemy’s enemy is my friend”, and we should all remember just exactly who our enemy is. If a general election is called, then the very LAST thing we need to see is UKIP and the Brexit Party opposing each other on the ballot papers. We MUST try and reach some sort of arrangement whereby we agree to some sort of allocation of seats. After the European Parliamentary election results, it is likely that any compromise will be mainly by UKIP, but that doesn’t really matter. It is only electoral success that matters.
The European Parliamentary elections are held by proportional representation, but in a British general election that is held on the first-past-the-post system, standing against each other could cause catastrophic damage to the cause of liberation. The only thing that our parliamentarians understand is the threat of losing their parliamentary meal-tickets, and we must not dilute this threat by our own petty inter-party squabbling.
The parliamentary seat that immediately springs to mind here is, of course, Thanet South. In 2015 Nigel Farage fought that seat for UKIP, and there is much speculation that the vote was rigged by the powers that be to ensure that he didn’t win. Next time, if a van full of ballot boxes looks like it is getting lost, there is likely to be either a UKIP car or a Brexit Party car following it to guide it on its way to the count. If Nigel chooses to fight this seat for the Brexit Party at the next general election, then UKIP should not put up an opposing candidate, but should instead ask local UKIP members to assist the Brexit Party campaign in that constituency. If the liberation campaign only manages to get one candidate into Parliament, then that candidate should be Nigel Farage. He is the person most trusted by the public, and most feared by opposing politicians. He is the public face of Brexit and has had an impressive career, despite being a target of the media and the rest of the establishment. He has been a founder member of both UKIP and the Brexit Party, and the recent success of the Brexit Party is almost solely because of his association with it. The public see him as some sort of Brexit Moses, who will lead his people out of EU servitude. Whatever anyone thinks of him as a person, and whatever he is alleged to have done, needs to be put aside for the greater good of the liberation movement. The interests of the country must come before the interests of personal egos or party politics.
I have been a UKIP member for over 24 years, and I have always been just a foot-soldier for the party, dutifully doing my ‘bit’. If there is a general election and both party hierarchies decide to commit electoral suicide by opposing each other on the ballot papers, I shall wonder whether or not I have been wasting my effort all these years. In my early UKIP year, it was the Referendum Party that was our opponent on the ballot paper. Both parties didn’t get many votes in those days, and both our candidates usually lost their deposits. However, when the parties merged, our electoral prospects looked a bit better. After a series of different leaders, Nigel Farage became UKIP leader in 2006, and he was leader when we saw our finest hour in 2015 when we virtually forced the referendum. The main objective of the Referendum Party (a referendum on EU membership) was therefore achieved, but it was achieved under a UKIP banner. If UKIP’s main objective of leaving the EU is achieved under a different banner, does it really matter? The only thing that matters is that we leave. Things have changed a bit since 2015, but if we have to fight another general election, it will be crucial that we don’t end up fighting each other. Personal animosities MUST be put aside, and we MUST do what is best for the country, which is what we have been working for all these years. If we end up opposing each other, we may as well all pack up and hand the country over to Brussels.
Absolute common sense.
PMB I agree with Jack Thomas. The article is common sense. Mind you has Nigel Farage got any common sense?
An excellent article Phil – at last someone is concentrating minds.
PS,
The brexit group for a one off issue, good, the current leader, self confessed no good.
I would go as far to say that the South Thanet fiasco was highly suss in more ways than one.
What with farage anti TR stance on account of his EDL days whilst himself using martyn heale an ex
National Front activist when contesting the South Thanet seat.
The man is trying his damndest to destroy UKIP as he continues to build a farage type dictatorship.
My personal view is that ( repeating a past post) his Pearl Harbour, rhetorical, unwarranted, undeserved, attack against Gerard Batten & membership burnt all bridges with UKIP.
The great difference between Gerard Batten & farage is the former has integrity in abundance.
And may I put Phillip Smith right on one particular inaccuracy; regarding UKIP’s ‘ever shrinking following’ – UKIP membership has RISEN from around 17,000 under Gerard Batten’s leadership to around 30,000! We have no doubt haemorrhaged a number of members from the Brexit Party assault, but we are still here and here for the long run.
Well said Phillip.
Absolutely. I have just renewed my membership, the more leftist propaganda I hear the more I dig my heels in.
I dare not mention NF in my house, or I will spend the next hour being ear bashed by the wife, who has come to hate him, which is a shame after all the work he put into getting us the referendum. Unfortunately I must agree with the majority on here, NF has and will always be a “one man band”, and woe betide anyone not playing his tune, or even slightly out of tune. The TBP has only been in force for a few weeks, not long enough for the cracks to show, especially as the candidates come from such diverse backgrounds, you have right wing Tories, to ultra left wing Marxists, the divisions will soon start to show, that’s when we will see just what sort of party they are. In the meantime I will, along with the wife, stick with my good old UKIP.
It has occurred to me that maybe NF and his chosen few like the gravy train a bit too much to get off
PMB agrees wholeheartedly with LisaB
Agree, a compromise must be found. However difficult it may be for our two leaders it does make sense not to split the Leave vote at this point in time when we are desperate to exert maximum pressure on Remainer MPs in marginals and indeed win seats in these constituencies. Fingers crossed for Peterborough where ideally only the Brexit Party should have stood.
United we stand some chance of getting into parliament and stop the 2 horse race – divided we fall and please the Lib Dems etc. so follow the opposition in Turkey that almost unseated Erdoyan by sharing constituencies. We need to include ‘For Britain’ too as AMW is excellent on our ‘uncontrolled and unsustainable’ immigration to quote the EDF video.
Let have more STATS about how this country’s population is changing – see Migration Watch’s great website, the NSS on the islamization of some schools, and our local councils stats on our multicultural schools.
Shortage of school places, social housing waiting lists and NHS waiting times are not tjust he result of an ageing population but 4 million ‘veneer’ Brits arrived in the past 10 years – thanks to AM and the EU.
I agree that there are plenty of other things to be done, but at the moment all efforts must be directed at getting us out of the EU. Nothing else matters now as we will not get another chance if we miss this one.
You are 100% right.
I was an active member of the Referendum Party and acted as Agent for my Parliamentary candidate at the General Election. I knew virtually nothing about UKIP in those days, except that they wanted out of the European Union, whereas we only wanted a referendum to fight against joining the Euro zone. It was only later that I joined UKIP, by then agreeing with their belief that we should leave completely. .
Whilst some might see Phillip’s wise words as being merely a case of ‘stating the bleedin’ obvious’, they are without doubt words that need to be said – again and again! Dare we all hope that the likes of Farage and Batten will heed them though? One has an ego bigger than the Greek National Debt and the other has a stubborn obstinacy and innate inability to listen to others.
Will either respond to the metaphorical banging together of heads they both desperately need or will all these years of personal enmity continue to stand in the way of the hopes and aspirations of 17.4 million voters? Come on chaps – it’s time for some serious grown-up behaviour in the name of not only the common good, but also in the name of common sense!
GL,
The farage chap wants dearly to destroy UKIP, farage is a born again ersatz tory ( if he ever left)
The farage chap is a PC / Appeasement follower, following the ersatz tory party course
The farage chap can see the future danger in the shape of a Batten / Robinson / benjamin working relationship and it is my personal belief it will be shortly, sorely needed.
I don’t think its a matter of being grown up. Gerard B has made clear that TBP is a kind of reincarnation of the Tory party set up for the destruction of UKIP; UKIP would be mad to get joined up with the Tory Party and would get swallowed up by it. giving the Europhile Tories a clear field to ensure a clean brexit is never delivered. Maybe cooperate with extreme caution sometimes; but it’s a bit like dealing with a snake.
Firstly let me state that I consider the ordinary Kipper-in-the-street a friend.
UKIP has three current problems.
The first is that the party membership is split down the middle over Tommy Robinson and others with a similar viewpoint on what’s important. I’m not sure whether it’s a class thing or whether those that hate TR are morbidly afraid of the MSM, or just can’t help believing all the media lies about such activists. Maybe a combination of all three. Suffice it to say, the fattest comments sections in ID articles are when the subject gets anywhere near Islam, immigration or free speech, to the point where Viv has had to close down comments on particular articles on occasion.
The second issue is that Farage moulded the party into his personal property and even when he wanted a break didn’t release ownership, through various influential means. He’s like a kid that no longer is interested in his favourite toy but doesn’t want anyone else to have it either, he’d rather see it destroyed. Hence the insane process we all went through while he controlled James, Nuttall and Bolton, during which time UKIP’s polling dropped down and down.
Thirdly we finally have a competent leader who although of the utmost integrity, just doesn’t have the headline-grabbing Oomph that Farage has, despite the fact the latter is someone I trust about as far as I can throw him. The MSM only like politicians who make good journalistic copy, good or bad. Hardly earth-shattering news. Personally I would advise Batten to not refuse any more invites for interview, and battle it out. NF went through that originally, and in the end the media symbolically shrugged saying, Well, that’s the way he is.
Whence UKIP? Well, hang in there, the party ain’t over. Don’t be afraid to do whatever it takes to break free of EU/Soros, the party’s best days are ahead.
Agreed. Just need to continue down Gerard’s path and get rid of the remaining dead wood, steadily rebuild – Farage is, was and always will be a Tory and is not fit for the fight ahead of us, whatever Party he is in, post Brexit.
The Brexit Party have done their sums and there’s a shortfull, they need our votes
but they do not like our “vile” members.
UKIP’s other objectives / integrity should not be “sacrificed”.
Totally agree Rob.
Rob, Very good points. Nice to hear someone talking truthfully about UKIP / NF. TBP and UKIP are totally different animals. G Batten is moulding the party into a true electoral force. Sometimes we have very short memories:
1. UKIP was polling at 11 or 12% nationally and 18% for EU elections, before TBP got going. We should not be surprised if TBP took voters. They wanted to send a message (which is about all EU elections do) and they did. A one off?
2. This is most likely a temporary set-back. Remember the 2017 general election? Brett was not an issue, as both Labour and Conservative pledged to honour the referendum result. Smaller parties got squeezed as a result.
3. TBP is the Brexit party. What does it do when Brexit is delivered? NF has said he will keep going to secure PR?
4. When the SDP and Liberals merged to become the Lib Dems, P Ashdown was leader ad they were polling at 4%. The only way was up!
When you consider the fate we face by staying in EU, it seems really pathetic to turn one’s nose up at UKIP just because one doesn’t like Batten’s style
Having said that, UKIP should have come up with decent publicity and website explaining various issues, ages ago. I still come across voters who get our leaflets so should be familiar with our website; yet they don’t realise for example (maybe because the website doesnt tell them) , that MEP’s can’t get us Brexit, they think the Tories would become eurosceptic with the right leader, they think the Brexit mess is the fault of UKIP who started it all, they don’t realise we should brexit without article 50. and they don’t realise the existence let alone significance of EU military-security initiatives. They know UKIP aims to tackle immigration but they’re not clear how. And some even think May’s WA is better than no brexit. And it never occurs to them to question the MSM. A website with links to youtubes and articles on various topics would be a good start…..
well stated but I fear the 2 must join foces under 1 banner which must be TBP. We need to get all leave voters under the 1 name so as victory is not split which will give the establishment a leaverage on its not a majority. You only have to look at the eu election and see the talk
I agree but who is going to tell Nigel Farage to stop demonizing the grassroots of UKIP for just wanting the same thing and after doing all the donkey work as well as putting their hands into ever shrinking pockets.
I am hoping that someone might send this article to him, and he reads it.
The ‘personal animosities’, all come from NF. He does not want a Party structure of any kind. He could easily have re-assumed the leadership in 2018 and led UKIP to victory in the EU Elections. He actually was undermining UKIP by “putting everything 24/7 into Leave Means Leave” after he stood down from UKIP leader in the EUroParl. There is no way he will allow UKIP to merge with TBP . I would point out that the majority of the UKIP MEPs were his choice and left with him or were lost by him as leader. TBP’s MEPs are also largely handpicked by him – there was no party structure to select them.
UKIP have compromised before and will not compromise again. UKIP is not disappearing. Membership is growing and significantly by the 18-35 yr olds. This is an interesting development bearing in mind we are always being told that we are stealing the future of the next generation.
TBP is still an interesting known quantity with an extremely diverse number of big egos. Nigel may walk away again. He has already had a row with Salvini and le Penn in Brussels. I believe Sargon is correct when he says the biggest hurdle for Nigel will arrive when he realises that Anne Widdecombe is taking the limelight away from him. Sparks will fly!!!!!
IIRC, Nigel was, on the record, scathing about local ‘Kippers in Thanet, blaming them for his loss. Perhaps he would be better advised to try elsewhere?