Informed consent has been, and still is, a fundamental requirement to allow medical interventions to happen, for individuals to allow themselves to be subjected to medication, surgery, or other interventionist practices. The circumstances are often ones that are subject to balance. On the one hand, there exists a threat to the individual from an illness or malfunction of some kind, and in the case of preventative processes such as vaccination, the likelihood of some future illness occurring, and on the other hand, the risks associated with the proposed treatment.
All medical interventions come with risks, whether that be surgery or medication or vaccination, or any other measure of intervention. The risks are determined and assessed based on the history of the treatment, and we usually trust that it is accurate. For example, a particular surgical procedure might have a 1% risk of mortality, based on the fact that in every 100 operations of that type, one person dies, and that is balanced against the likelihood of death were no intervention to take place, of say 50%. Most patients faced with that decision would choose the intervention because the balance of probabilities lies clearly on the side of surgery.
In cases where the intervention is new, the patient is also informed of that. There may be no history, but even limited evidence of likely risks still counts as informed consent.
In the above example, whatever happens is lawful and moral because the patient has the final say; it is their decision. That’s how it has been, and that’s the conclusion of the Nuremberg Code, section 6, articles 1 and 3. However, not only is informed consent a moral and humanitarian necessity but dispensing with it may also have criminal ramifications. In the same way that the experimenters of Nazi Germany were criminals and murderers, so might also be the nurses, doctors, scientists, and politicians, who compel or coerce people to suffer forced vaccination.
Imagine a gunman with an automatic weapon entering a crowded shopping mall and firing at will in all directions. He knows that some people are very likely to be killed by this action, but it isn’t necessary for him to know who they are. He doesn’t need to know them personally and it isn’t necessary for him to know which of the several hundred people there were killed. He is a murderer, possibly a terrorist. Even if only one person is killed, he is still a murderer. He cannot argue that he had no specific intention to kill the person who died, therefore it isn’t murder, because he knew his actions would result in death, whomever it happened to be.
Now, we narrow the argument down to vaccination.
Most vaccinations have caused injury to some people, both types of the current Coronavirus vaccines (mRNA and the slightly different AstraZeneca one) have also had their problems. As we stand, it is not at all clear that informed consent is properly conducted anyway, regarding vaccination, and were that to be investigated, a significant tightening of requirements for informed consent would most likely be the result.
Getting accurate information about vaccine injury is an extremely difficult task, because nobody in power wants to know. Processes for people to report such injury are hidden from view, not publicised and the procedure made as complicated as possible. It is not in the vested interests of those in control to declare the vaccine anything other than an unqualified success. It’s not part of the script to encourage anything that might dent the message they would like everyone to unquestioningly support.
However, it is clear, and becoming clearer by the day that some people are injured by these vaccines and some are killed by them. There is an existing mechanism to determine and confirm causation that the vaccine injury compensation organisations in both the UK and the US use to pay compensation. Over the years, huge sums of money have been paid out in compensation for vaccine injury, so it is a reality.
It is also a reality, and will be proven so in the future, even if it isn’t accepted now, that some people will be injured, and some will die as a direct result of the Coronavirus vaccines.
These numbers may be small in comparison to the numbers of people vaccinated or they may grow substantially if people knew how to report them. However, for the purposes of the potential lawful ramifications, it is only necessary that one person is killed by the vaccine for it to become a known risk factor of that vaccine.
Under the accepted rules of informed consent, this would be a part of the information conveyed to the potential recipient. The patient would then make a judgement based upon their understanding of the likelihood of contracting Corona Virus and its likely effect upon them, against the declared and known risks of taking the vaccination. This is how informed consent works. It doesn’t matter that there is a deluge of propaganda about the vaccine and billions of dollars pumped into all the influential organisations to make it happen, as long as the final decision remains with the individual themselves.
If I return, for a moment to our gunman in the shopping mall, asking the assembled if they wouldn’t mind him spraying bullets everywhere. After all, only a few will be killed, and it probably wouldn’t be you. Ludicrous, of course, because there is no downside to not being shot at, but close enough to make the point.
Now let’s remove, not only the informed bit, as that’s already gone, but consent.
Any form of coercion makes the vaccine mandatory. It doesn’t really matter whether they force the needle into your arm under restraint, or deny you fundamental freedoms, the net moral result is the removal of choice, the removal of consent. For some, being barred from flying, going on holiday, would be devastating, but of no interest to those who don’t do that. For others being barred from the bingo hall, or the local shop would have the same effect.
We now have a set of circumstances whereby a government and the entire organisation down to the nurse or doctor administering the vaccine are deliberately forcing an action onto people when they know that such action will kill someone. In the same way that the gunman’s actions would kill someone, but he didn’t know who, the government’s actions will kill someone also, and they don’t know who it will be either. As the gunman’s actions are murder so are the government’s.
So, who gets charged first?
Take an example where my father took the vaccine against his wishes and dies as a result of it. Do the police initially prosecute the person who gave my father the vaccine? Why not? The excuse of ‘I was only following orders’ has failed in the past, so there is no reason to suggest it would succeed now. How about the doctor in charge, the driver who delivered the vaccines, the MP who voted for it, the Prime Minister who pushed it, the airline that disbarred the non-vaccinated? They have all committed murder, or have conspired to commit murder, and it has been long established in English law that ignorance is no excuse.
If compulsion were to happen, the only possible way of avoiding these murder charges would be to extend the highly immoral immunity granted to the manufacturers to every person or conspirator involved in the coercive actions or the interventionist actions and we would then have a society who could kill people with complete freedom.
Informed consent is too precious to throw away for short term convenience. We must take great care.
PS I am writing a 2 part summary of The Dissidents Guide to Constitution as best I can, trying to hit on the main points, since this podcast is 5 hours in all and not everyone wants to listen that long.
Here is part 1 https://independencedaily.co.uk/nanny-part-1
I am eagerly awaiting Part 5 so that I can do Part 2.
PPS “I am eagerly awaiting Part 5 so that I can do Part 2.” should read :
“I am eagerly awaiting Part 5 of Alec Thompson’s Dissidents Guide, so that I can do Part 2 of my summary.”
Just to add an interesting note, where inoculation is specifically authorised in law we arrive at the oxymoron of lawful killing. According to Richard Jaffe, an American lawyer with whom I have discussed this, such an eventuality couldn’t happen in the US because they have a vaccine act. It’s rather like judicial execution, or war, it’s killing but lawful. A difference is that in all other cases the killing is deliberate.
However, we don’t have a vaccine act as far as I know. The question then is do we have legislation that specifically makes inoculation lawful?
makes it legal not lawful, (?)
I think with this usage ‘lawful’ is the correct term, though either would do.
‘We remain confused because of the technical jargon used by attorneys and are often misled by the facts pertaining to law. However, the blame lies on us as we allow us to be misled. Legal is a word that pertains to the science of law, its administration, its understanding, and even its practice. This is why everything associated with this profession is termed as legal and even the advice given by attorneys to their clients is termed legal advice. When we hear the word legal, we visualize the world of law, the courts, the lawyers, the judges, and all the paraphernalia that together constitutes the legal system. It is thus clear that anything that pertains to, or is based upon law is referred to as legal.
Lawful
When an event, thing, structure, organization, agreement etc are in accordance with the law, or are permitted and sanctioned by the law of the land, they are said to be lawful. Anything that conforms to or is recognized by law is automatically lawful. Anything lawful is considered to be not forbidden by law. One can consider anything that is valid as lawful.
I’m not so sure about that.
In Dissidents Guide to Constitution, on UK Column, Alec Thompson made the point that lawful is a common law concept defining anything that is in accordance with natural law, Gods law, our natural sense of right and wrong.
Whereas something that we know is evil and wrong can be made legal and enforced by the state : eg snitching on Jews as in Nazi Germany.
The THREAT to introduce any form of vaccination passport is COERCION to CONSENT to vaccination.
Vaccinations are given without full information. Therefor any consent is NOT INFORMED.
To my mind that adds up to GROSS INFRINGEMENT of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY.
Then there is the issue of undue influence, eg no jab no job. Or no mask no job .
Scroll through link below and find article re what employees should do to try to protect themselves, 3 steps :
1 Require of employer a risk- benefit analysis. (the wont be able to provide one)
2 Require to see what insurance employer has for forced -vaccine damage to an employee (they won’t have any).
3 Employee should serve employer with Notice of Liability as detailed in the article.
Link: https://thelightpaper.co.uk/
It’s worth a try and it might be worth spreading the word re this before the younger people roll over and let themselves get targeted for the jab without pushing back?.
Less than 80% uptake might put a spanner in the works of the civil liberties destroying vacpass. and it might stop a few younger lives from being ruined through vac damage.
I also recommend Godfrey Bloom on You Tube, “Employers beware. You have no power to force jab” referring to Health and Safety at work act 1974 binding us to Universal Declaration of bioethics
(continued) and Human Rights
vaxx… missing the point . Firing guns not allowed beacuse it reduces my freedom.
if your da d dont want a vaxx you lock him away from me cos I dont want his germs as we used to say in the playground
In October last year Human Medicines Regulations (HMR) in the UK were changed to give producers of Covid-19 vaccines legal immunity from civil action over harm from their Covid vaccines. So if your health is damaged by a Covid vaccine you can’t sue.
The Human Medicines (Coronavirus and Influenza) (Amendment) Regulations 2020 (SI 2020/1125) came into force on 16 October 2020.
That allowed a speedier licensing process, using the UK regulator the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA).
The amendments to the HMR also included extending immunity from civil liability to companies producing the vaccine, rather than just protecting healthcare workers.
This is an interesting short video by the talented Zachary Denman about the psy ops . It’s classed as dystopian sci fi. Not so sure about that!
A good post David Allen. This is not the first time there has been controversy over vaccines. Has ALL the ‘information’ been given about MMR? It was not given (to me) over the shingles jab. (It may not even have been known, being relatively new.)
Then there is also the matter of other medications. These are often handed out without any ‘information’ at all.
In a way it is perhaps almost a good thing that this so called pandemic has happened, or been caused.
It has given some of us a necessary jolt into thinking about INFORMED CONSENT and what that means.
Your conclusion is CORRECT. Informed consent must not be thrown away.
I would recommend, ‘The Truth about Vaccines’ a video series, ‘Dissolving Illusions’ by Dr Suzanne Humphries and Roman Bystrianyk and to follow Dr Shiva Ayyadurai, and his many videos on the immune system. He’s a smart cookie (A systems biologist, 4 degrees and PHD from MIT, the inventor of email and the designer of Cytosolve. He runs the Truth Freedom Health organisation.
Informed consent or not jabs are always leap into dark. Someone I know has had CTCL 40 years without realising but strange how it flared up after a shingles vaccine. coincidence or not we’ll never know
Interesting mary. I didn’t realise the shingles jab had affected my T cells. Wish I could undo it.
I don’t know what effect it had on yourself, (did you have any “adverse reactions ” that you were aware of that you think were definitely linked?) maybe it didn’t affect your T cells . as it affects everyone differently.
I think the person concerned rushed into it without doing a proper risk benefit analysis.
A thought provoking and timely article. In Exmouth 9 of the residents in a care home have died recently. They all had had their first vaccine in January and were due their second. In Sidmouth there have been a number of deaths at a care home as you can read in the attached.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-56447041
What is happening? We need to know.
The problem arises when the information about risks is incomprehensible to the recipient.
Even worse when some third party self styled expert starts making pronunciations.
Harry Again. Well you are so clever, the info will be clear as daylight to you. So go ahead and have it. Then you wont have to force the rest of us to wear muzzles and stay at home etc.
I don’t normally feed trolls like HA but I cannot resist my own “jokes:”
I really think if people like that , if they feel threatened by the virus and by sceptics like us; they should go around all the time wearing a plastic bag over their heads without any holes in , sealed very tightly round the neck
Then we’d all be happy…..
in the case of this epidemic Weknow that the deaths that arise from the epidemic itself for 0 to 9 is 4 in a billion. The statistics of 10 to 25 year olds are slightly larger., as is the number of healthy over 80, but still within the margin of error. Add to that all the other errors that can occur, the real margin of error is much greater..
The other side of the equation.are :- No one has died as a result of the actual vaccine. Yet: as far as we can reasonably assume. Balance this against .the body of knowledge of the disease and the vaccine itself and the knowledge of the body itself which is incomplete as is the future.
But to me,. using it on the under 20’s. ,is wanton destruction.by mob rule and the preserve of the left.
Anybody under the age of 30 who would want to take the bet is very trusting. I just wonder what insurance companies are taking. Where are all the other actuaries.?
I welcome any one pointing out any errors.
The whole stinks of the Pharma Mantra :– treat not cure.