In today’s Brexit column (here) I mentioned that Mr David Frost’s speech deserved a closer look and that certain quotes were significant, quotes which, to me, illustrate not just the thoughts of our Chief Negotiator, our ‘Anti Barnier’, but which give hope that we may indeed get Out on December 31st.
I am quoting at length because many will not have the time to go through this speech with a fine tooth comb, and because our Remain MSM, who did have the transcript, choose some jaw-dropping interpretations in their reports. Here’s a delicious passage from the beginning of the speech:
“Brexit was surely above all a revolt against a system – against as it were, an ‘authorised version’ of European politics, against a system in which there is only one way to do politics and one policy choice to be made in many cases and against a politics in which the key texts are as hard to read for the average citizen as the Latin Bible was at the time of Charles the Bold.” (source)
Ooohh! After giving a brief personal description of why he became a Eurosceptic – Maastricht has a lot to answer for! – he uses Burke’s work on the French Revolution as skeleton over which he drapes his Brexit arguments:
“The state, to Burke, was more of an organic creation, entwined with custom, of tradition and spirit.
I think in Britain, the EU’s institutions to be honest never felt like that. They were more abstract, they were more technocratic, they were more disconnected from or indeed actively hostile to national feeling. So in a country like Britain where institutions just evolved and where governance is pretty deep-rooted in historical precedent, it was always going to feel a bit unnatural to a lot of people to be governed by an organisation whose institutions seemed created by design not than by evolution, and which vested authority outside the country elsewhere. I think that is why the slogan of the Leave campaign in 2016 ‘Take Back Control’ became such a powerful slogan and had such resonance .
Now if I am honest, much of this still does not seem to me to be understood here in Brussels and in large parts of the EU. I think one of the reasons why people here failed to see Brexit coming and often still see it as some kind of horrific, unforeseeable natural disaster is that […] at root, they were unable to take British Euroscepticism seriously, but saw it as some kind of irrational false consciousness and fundamentally wrong way of looking at the world.” (source)
That has indeed been one of the main points raised by comment writers and pundits in the EU MSM. The way Mr Frost follows this up, with more references on what drove the politics behind Brexit is very good but his points on the economics in the Brexit arguments are even more significant, for example:
“The claims that trade drives productivity are often in fact based on the very specific experience of emerging countries opening up to world markets, beginning to trade on global terms after a period of authoritarian or communist government – these are transitions that involve a huge improvement in the institutional framework and which make big productivity improvements almost inevitable. And I think the relevance of such experiences drawn from that for the UK, a high-income economy which has been extremely open for over a century, seems highly limited to me.
I also note that many Brexit studies seem very keen to ignore or minimise any of the upsides, whether these be connected to expanded trade with the rest of the world or regulatory change – often assuming the smallest possible impacts from such changes while insisting on the largest possible effects through changes in our relationship with the EU.” (source)
That’s putting the whole Project fear doom-mongers firmly in place, and the following observation is hopefully an indicator for those forthcoming talks as well:
“Indeed if we have learned anything on economics from the last few years, and in particular from the British economy refusal to behave as people predicted after the referendum, it is that modern advanced economies are hugely complex and adaptive systems, capable of responding in ways which we do not foresee, and finding solutions which we did not expect.” (source)
Mr Frost then ties our claim for Sovereignty to the EU demands on that ‘level playing field’ and ‘standards:
“Some argue that sovereignty is a meaningless construct in the modern world, that what matters is sharing it to gain more influence over others.
So we take the opposite view. We believe sovereignty is meaningful and what it enables us to do is to set our rules for our own benefit.
Sovereignty is about the ability to get your own rules right in a way that suits our own conditions. Much of the debate about will Britain diverge from the EU I think misses this point. We are clear – and the PM was clear in the speech he gave in Greenwich in London that we are not going to be a low-standard economy. That’s clear. But it is perfectly possible to have high standards, and indeed similar or better standards to those prevailing in the EU, without our laws and regulations necessarily doing exactly the same thing.
One obvious example I think is the ability to support our own agriculture to promote environmental goods relevant to our own countryside, and to produce crops that reflect our own climate, rather than being forced to work with rules designed for growing conditions in central France.
I struggle to see why this is so controversial.” (source)
So do we, Mr Frost, so do we! There’s more and this is interesting because it shows that there’s a new mood of optimism in this negotiating team – something which our Remain ‘correspondents’ have overlooked nor paid attention to:
“I think looking forward, we are going to have a huge advantage over the EU – the ability to set regulations for new sectors, the new ideas, and new conditions – quicker than the EU can, and based on sound science not fear of the future. […] There are other broader advantages to running your own affairs. One obvious one is that it is much easier to get people involved in taking decisions. Another, less obvious advantage, is the ability to change those decisions. My experience of the EU is that it has extreme difficulty in reversing bad decisions it takes. […] Course correction is, therefore, an important part of good government. Britain will be able to experiment, correct mistakes and improve. The EU is going to find this much, much more difficult.” (source)
Indeed they will! Past experiences have shown that to all who’re not blinded by EUphilia. Next:
“I am confident that these political economy factors really matter. In an age of huge change, being able to anticipate to adapt, and to encourage really counts. Brexit is about a medium-term belief in that reality that this is true – that even if there is a short-run cost, it will be overwhelmed rapidly by the huge gains of having your own policy regimes in certain areas.” (source)
And now: the original sentence containing the word ‘compromise’ – do check how RemainCentral interpreted here! I cannot for the live of me see how this is an ‘olive branch’ to the EU:
“Finally, that is also why we are not prepared to compromise on some fundamentals of our negotiating position.
One of those fundamentals is that we are negotiating as one country. To return again to Burke, his conception of the state was and is one that allows for differences, for different habits, and for different customs. It is one which means that our own multi-state union in the UK has grown in different ways across the EU – each playing unique roles in its historical development.” (source)
And so to the main point, the take-home message for the EU, for Barnier, for our Remainers:
“A second fundamental is that we bring to the negotiations not some clever tactical positioning but the fundamentals of what it means to be an independent country. It is central to our vision that we must have the ability to set laws that suit us – to claim the right that every other non-EU country in the world has. So to think that we might accept EU supervision on so-called level playing field issues simply fails to see the point of what we are doing. That isn’t a simple negotiating position which might move under pressure – it is the point of the whole project. That’s also why we are not going to extend the transition period beyond the end of this year. At the end of this year, we would recover our political and economic independence in full – why would we want to postpone it? That is the point of Brexit. In short, we only want what other independent countries have.” (source)
Winding down, Mr Frost sticks a pin into the pretensions of the monolithic EU as represented by M Barnier:
“I do believe this needs to be internalised on the EU side. I do think the EU needs to understand, I mean genuinely understand, not just say it, that countries geographically in Europe can, if they choose it, be independent countries. Independence does not mean a limited degree of freedom in return for accepting some of the norms of the central power. It means – independence – just that. I recognise that some in Brussels might be uncomfortable with that – but the EU must, if it is to achieve what it wants in the world, find a way of relating to its neighbours as friends and genuinely sovereign equals.” (source)
The concluding paragraph cannot be bettered:
“And last, [a] source of inspiration once again from Edmund Burke, who gave a famous speech to the electors of Bristol in 1780, and he urged his voters to ‘applaud us when we run, console us when we fall, cheer us when we recover!’ in 2016 we ran; in 2018, we fell; so cheer us now as we in Britain recover, and go on, I am sure, to great things.” (source)
A great speech, an encouraging speech – but as always: it’s the results which matter. If Mr Frost and his team can indeed negotiate in this way and win, then well and good. It would be a great pity if this speech were to go the way certain speeches by Ms May went when she was told by the Remain Mandarins that ‘it can’t be done’.
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Chinese can build it in Five years? How come? Have all of our own immigrant workers and University graduates absconded or suddenly become paralysed?
Or are they too busy standing in Welfare Queues and popping off to the mosque – or joining the BBC?
Why not build the bloody thing in six years and use our own unemployed architects, surveyors and labourers?
I keep being told how brilliant the Brits are……….and then I am told we need Chinese to come and show us how to build things.
Let’s find out exactly WHO will profit from employing the Chinese to build HS2……Now THAT would be an interesting exercise.
As the man said……”Follow the money”!
“Hello, good evening and welcome, here is the Frost Report”
Your version is every bit as good Viv and you bring back happy memories of a great program and its presenter
Trade drives taxes, jealousy,/Union disatisfaction, bureacracy, More taxes.
Computers are now more bureaucracy and less effectivethan paperwork was.
We HAVE to bring unions into management to help. Not brainlessly demand and fight.
The power of the state needs rechannelling.
I was tempted to write this :
Why have we had to wait 4 years for this. Shorn of historical and learned bits and excuses. It should have been done by any competent mandarin as soon as decision made……It really is not world shattering, .UKIP could have done it whan ukip mattered. Mind you Slivnik is a start.
But the air needed to be cleared of all the Remain nonsense, and a lot of ignorance before it could be said. …Until now it would have been rejected as insolance.by theBBC..Mind you there’s still time.
GREAT
“Why have we had to wait 4 years for this?” Partly the Govt were hoping Brexit would somehow go away. Plus I get the impression that the Govt and EU have been playing for time: during this time they have en coulisse been stitching us up re e.g, Common Security-Defence policy, UN Global Migration Compact and EU Criminal Justice system .
And now they have been granted nearly a whole year in order to regroup and form another strategy to keep us bound to their sinister ways. ”Playing for time”? Yes, indeed they are. ”Stitching us up”? Probably. BJ needs to keep his ”EU friends” appeased – he’s made a good start with HS2 and damaging the US/UK relationship through WhoAreWe. He must be very pleased with himself.
Why then did he allow DF to speak such wise words? Double game?
Hello Viv
I have just finished reading the Spectator’s edited transcript of Mr. David Frost’s speech. On item not mentioned is Gibralter.
The EU Parliament clearly states in it’s provisional edition, page 5, item 10, that “Gibralter will not be included in territorial agreements between the EU and the UK”.
The European Commissionin it’s provisional negotiating edition also states the same thing on page 32 under the heading of Territorial Scope.
Is the EU, that paragon of the rule of law, using deception tto ensure that Gibfalter becomes Spanish.
Gibraltar is officially a British Overseas Territory. This means that while it is not actually a part of the United Kingdom, it still falls within its legal jurisdiction thus Gibraltar technically falls under British control. Gibraltar is one of 14 other British Overseas Territories, much like Bermuda and the Cayman Islands, that have their own power of self-government, but that cannot be considered countries since they are not independent of British rule.
Regards
David T.
I am reminded of an interview with Lord Michael Heseltine about 18 months ago on the subject of Brexit during which he said something to the effect of: “It isn’t about jobs and economics, you know. It’s about power and who holds it.” That stuck in my mind. Then, this morning, I came across a quotation attributed to John Adams, a leader of the American Revolution and the first vice President of the United States. He said: “Mankind will in time discover that unbridled majorities are as tyrannical and cruel as unlimited despots.” With that thought in mind I’m withholding my judgement on Messrs Johnson and Frost.
Thank you, Michael D. I wondered the same myself (as above).
Splendid. There have been attempts by people outside direct government to do this kind of thing, but never from inside. If they stick to this mind set, the speech really will be seen as a watershed moment. If only it had been delivered three-and-a-half years ago.
We need a similar exposition on the climate non-emergency and the multiple green scams, but I fear we will have to wait until well into the next ‘ice-age’ for that. If Prof Valentina Zharkova is correct, a new mini Maunder Minimum should be peaking about the year we – to no effect whatsoever, expect astronomical cost and monumental inconvenience – ban all petrol and diesel cars.
Meanwhile, this is well worth the time:
And he didn`t even mention the EU accounts haven`t been signed off for how many years?
I suppose it`s not politic to tell them they appear this side of the water as improvident, money laundering incompetents totalitarianistic screwballs
Ah Yes, the history of the EU controlling our money for around forty years. A pet subject of mine, and justifiably so.
If you are a person with a small business, just try f*cking about with HMRC for a few weeks and your world will crash in, not without cause, since we charge them with collecting taxes for the running of the country.
But seemingly the leeches in Europe escape all the penalties imposed upon us for delays in presenting Comapny Accounts.
Look at the EU fabulous restaurants, limousine provisions, pensions and expense accounts – and remembers who is and has been paying for this decadent opulence.
So, what did WE do to redress the situation – well, we have placed our faith in the hands of an improvident clown who can’t even decide which ‘lady’ to ‘bed’ or children to accept are his, and who appears, with all of his variety of incomes, to accept an act of ‘charity’ (IF we are to believe HIS story!) from an even more fabulously rich ‘friend’ for a holiday in the Caribbean – isn’t Billy Bunter Boris a great example to our youth who are engaged, for slave-type ‘wages’ of FAKE APPRENTICESHIPS on how to cope on a LIMITED income?
Meanwhile – across the water – in Italy, the EU is ensuring that Salvini is being PERSECUTED for attempting to protect Italy from the ‘Invasion of the Money Snatchers’ – the Muslim and African illegal immigrant armies of invaders – whilst his own population, the young in particular, are largely desperately grossly unemployed.
As for finding jobs for OUR long-suffering unemployed fishing communities – How long before the Chinese offer to reap the fish harvests of the Noth Sea for us?
How long before they re-offer to build our Nuclear Power Stations – our roads, infrastructure and HS2 –
as a continuation of their New Silk Road?
Oh Yes! The Improvident Bumbling Billy Bunter Boris, who can’t arrange or provide to pay for his own holiday breaks – is going to get us all to work to revitalise our Nation.
Don’t make me laugh lad – I’ve got a cut lip.
The Chinese have already offered to build HS2 in a time of five years. Bo Jp is apparently thinking about it.
It has been said the Chinese had offered to build it previously