The past weekend has shown yet again that for the Remain Establishment the fight isn’t over by any means. While the antisemitism in Labour gets a mention here and there – see e.g. this on the Labour Peterborough by election candidate – and while the latest poll (see e.g. here) on voter intention for a GE has already sunk without trace – too embarrassing! – the airwaves yesterday were full of Tory wannabe PM candidates explaining ‘their’ Brexit.
While we need to know what their plans are, let’s remind ourselves that we have no vote in this campaign unless we’re members of the Tory Party. It is however interesting to note how these Government ministers are all using ‘Project Fear’ arguments. One wonders (not!) where they are getting them from!
With glee the ‘stop-BoJo’ faction is now pointing out that Michael Gove is topping the leadership list, measured by how many Tory MPs support him. Here’s a fine report:
“Michael Gove’s Tory leadership campaign appeared to be building momentum last night despite Brexiteer fury over his No Deal stance. The Environment Secretary now has the declared support of 26 MPs – three more than his nearest rival Boris Johnson. Mr Gove has yet to publicly set out his Brexit strategy but sources made clear yesterday that he believed a chaotic No Deal could let Jeremy Corbyn into No 10. His campaign team played down reports that he would not take Britain out of the EU before late 2020, saying he was committed to leaving at the ‘earliest possible opportunity’. However, one source said that going for No Deal before Britain was ready could, in Mr Gove’s view, have disastrous consequences.” (source)
Another ‘source’ on his campaign team reportedly said:
“Simply trying to go for a No Deal before the UK is properly prepared will lead to a general election with Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street and risks Brexit being cancelled altogether. It’s not enough to believe in Brexit – you’ve got to be able to deliver it.” (link)
That is scare-posturing at its finest: ‘vote for me or Corbyn will get in’ – we’ve heard that one before, and it’s not even yet GE time. And look at the pure business-PR ‘speak’ about not just ‘believing in Brexit’ but being ‘able to deliver it’ – yeah right: deliver Brexit by already using the EU formula of German origin about an ‘orderly Brexit’.
Of course, the self-proclaimed ‘king maker’ Ms Amber Rudd MP who was said to support BoJo last week is now supporting Gove. That’s all we need to know about what sort of Brexit Mr Gove is going to ‘deliver’! Some of Gove’s opponents were pretty vocal:
“Michael Gove was accused yesterday by rivals in the Tory leadership contest of opening the door of No 10 to Jeremy Corbyn by saying that he would delay Brexit. […] The stance provoked fury among his opponents. A source in a rival campaign said: “It seems that Michael Gove’s great Brexit idea is to continue with Theresa May’s failed plan. This is only going to deliver Jeremy Corbyn into No 10.” (link, paywalled)
That spectre of Jeremy Corbyn is being used by all of them: ‘vote Gove and get Corbyn’ or ‘if you don’t vote Gove you’ll get Corbyn’. It’s amazing how the candidates’ attitude to Brexit obviously is nothing but an inner-Party marketing ploy to paint ‘Jeremy Corbyn’ as big bad scarecrow. You’ll have noticed that TBP and Nigel Farage have no role to play in these calculations.
Another hopeful May successor is Matt Hancock MP. He has of course his own Brexit Plan. Depending on which paywalled report you read, it’s either a three-point plan or a five-point plan. Both reports (in The Times and DT) write that Mr Hancock proudly claims the EU would like his effort:
“Matt Hancock, the health secretary, has claimed that other European leaders are receptive to his plans to find a way through the Brexit impasse. Mr Hancock set out his three-point strategy which includes a time limit on the Irish backstop, the issue that fatally hobbled Mrs May’s deal with Brussels. Sources close to Mr Hancock indicated that he had had a good response to the idea from other European countries. “We have had positive noises from Europe,” a source said. They added that other European countries had been open to the idea of a five-year time limit, but that Mr Hancock would want to reduce that time-frame.” (link, paywalled)
How … cute! Another Hancock source reportedly said:
“He has had conversations with figures at a European level and they have been quite open to his plan for a time-limited backstop. A five-year limit has been suggested in Brussels and that means you can engage in conversations to see what you can get that timespan down to. Matt has had a positive response to his ideas.” (paywalled link)
I bet he did! It was Brussel’s idea after all … but ‘figures at a European level’? Who they? Not M Barnier, I’m sure … Rounding up, we note that other wannabe PMs also are hopeful of ‘delivering Brexit’ by going for another extension or even for Remain:
“Sajid Javid, the Home Secretary, refused to rule out extending Article 50 again if Parliament forces the option on the next Tory leader, after it emerged that Michael Gove has told Cabinet colleagues he would be prepared to delay Brexit until late 2020. It came as Sam Gyimah, the former universities minister who resigned from the Government over Theresa May’s Brexit stance, became the 13th Tory MP to enter the leadership race, saying he would hold a second referendum and campaign for Remain.” (paywalled link)
Mr Javid is already waving the white flag:
“Mr Javid was asked whether he would ask for an extension and replied: “I cannot envisage a circumstance where I would want to have an extension,” but he admitted he could not rule it out because Parliament could force it upon him.” (paywalled link)
Remain Central, i.e. The Times, has a leading article today bringing arguments which are interesting:
“There is a political consideration which candidates who suggest a summary departure (such as Mrs Leadsom, Mr Johnson and Dominic Raab) would do well to consider. The point that Mr Hunt has, rightly, been trying to stress is that leaving the EU without a deal may be impossible, whatever its intrinsic merits or demerits as an idea. Leaving without a deal on October 31 may require going through a constitutional crisis first and this, it might be thought, would give the sensible candidate pause. The quest for no deal could easily collapse the new government.” (link, paywalled)
That’s the usual defeatist crap excuse: ‘it’s too difficult to achieve so we won’t bother trying’ – for ‘the good of the Nation’, i.e. their jobs, of course. More:
“[…] in a hung parliament, there is no majority for anything. If steering a course through the Commons is even possible without resorting to a second referendum or a general election, it will require consensus. There is no hope of this if candidates simply declare that Britain will leave on October 31 come what may. That would lead to a concerted effort, on the part of the majority of MPs determined to avoid leaving without an agreement, to prevent the government proceeding. Amid wild talk of prorogation and votes of no confidence ending the new prime minister’s tenure almost as soon as it starts, the only predictable outcome would be chaos.” (link, paywalled)
In other words, this Remain Parliament would force any new Tory PM to Remain, irrespective of us, the electorate. Note that proroguing Parliament is deemed to be a huge no-no because: chaos! There would indeed be chaos because a GE would have to be called.
Given the under-reported Sunday poll result (e.g. here) where TBP is topping the board, it is quite astonishing that all wannabe PMs simply do not take this into their consideration. They are still playing the same old Westminster Bubble Games of ‘my BRINO is a better Remain than yours’, aided and abetted by the Remain establishment. Don’t forget that the ministers amongst them all have their hands held by their own Mandarins – and we do know what those want, don’t we!
This Thursday is the 75th Anniversary of the D-Day landings, and incidentally it’s the by election in Peterborough. Let’s hope that date is a good omen for Mike Greene and TBP.
KBO!
This came in just now from Lawyers for Britain – read it, it seems we’re OUT.
I hope he’s advising Mr Tilbrook.
The Tory Mess has just become bigger …
Very interesting.
If I’ve understood it correctly he is arguing here that you can only extend the two year period itself once – after that, one would be extending the period of the delay instead.
It seems to me that after the two years are up the WA is irrelevant and it is just the exit date that can be extended. The optional dates offered by the EU and accepted by our quislings still referred to the WA however.
Perhaps someone should tell the EU that the UK has already left them. They probably don’t know yet!
The more they delay lie and prevaricate the better. That is the fuel of revolution.
Amongst the dross Hancock stands out as a classic “yes minister “ waffles with no ideas except import more immigrants for NHS to avoid cost of training Brits. On Newsnight the smart lady tried 3 times to get from him how he would solve the brexit impasse , 3 times he waffled re consulting everyone so she bluntly told him “ I don’t understand what you are saying “ . what w……r
The Remainer and EU elite make it obvious that democracy as a political process has become a farce just as great as the Eurovision Song Contest. And the reasons are obvious.
The glue that holds society together is the middle class. And the strength of the glue depends on the human rights that middle middle class uphold for truth, justice, and accountability. And these human rights are under attack as never before ………. with atheism/evolution/science denying God as the maker of human like, with opinion replacing truth, with the State recognised as the owner of human life, with the natural family replaced by the individual, with the fruits of our labour in the ownership of investors/markets, and with the value and destiny of human life replaced by human life as just another form of animal life to exploited as such.
Until there is a return of the truth ………….. ?
There is no chance we leave the EU under this parliament: majority wants to remain, a huge proportion of them are fundamentalists not listening to any arguments. If the facts are not supporting their believes – they will ignore the facts. Maybe the next parliament will deliver depending on when and how the next general election will be proceed. All Brexiteers that believed that referendum was end of the story were simply naive.The issue will stay with us for many year ahead. Meantime it is covering other equally important issues: replacement migration, degradation of law and order, welfare state falling apart, ever increasing debt etc. Quoting Mark Twain:“If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it.”
Snow Elephant don’t forget military unification which nobody from any party and hardly anyone from msm wants to talk about, mention it to most anyone and in fact few know anything about it, and as one guy said ‘Nick Clegg’ said it would never happen so there we have it. Until they realise that taxes will have to pay for it, procurement will be from German manufacturing companies, the manpower will mean conscription already up and running some e.u states, the people won’t be so happy when they realise that it’s all our capability including the Air Force and Navy and nuclear subs, and that security includes domestic policing. If Brenda has a thought about her forces being signed up to this, then she is being very quiet about it.
Norman, I always claimed that the ruling class is a bit like tv magicians: smokes, mirrors and deception. The most important actions and decisions are often hidden from the public until it is too late to counter or too obvious to hide for example replacement migration.
UKIP’s Liz Phillips was on Sky News exposing re our army being sucked into pan EU army under EU flag. but the interviewer promptly and rudely interrupted and changed the subject throwing the Tommy Robinson Right Wing stuff in her face. I feel she should have slapped him down, but instead allowed herself to be bullied and tried to to justify UKIP re TR etc . I really think we should go on the offensive against MSM, not the defensive. We should never apologise for anything; why should we?.
All they need to do is say “the TR who is not a member of our party and stood against us in the EU elections? That TR?” Then go Farage on the biased interviewer’s ass. “We are trying to talk about serious matters of our national security here but you just want to etc.”
Mary I agree with you in principle but not in practice. The trouble is that there are an ever diminishing number of articulate, clever and politically experienced and savvy members of UKIP who can actually afford to uphold this principle. Following on from our branch losing our Young Independent and our treasurer we have just lost our PPC a business man. All have been ‘Googled’ by prospective or current employers/contractors identifiying them as UKIP activists and have been informed that their careers or contracts will not benefit from their political affiliations.
I am retired and thus insulated from this kind of threat and I can go on the offensive as you advocate but the message is lound and clear – UKIP activism is a luxury with which few professional and business people can afford to be associated.
They can easily leave on no deal without involving parliament. The new Prime minister just has to concede the Robin Tilbrook court case. Even if they do not concede this, we leave if he wins. Like TBP why do they pretend this is not happening? Why has the MSN a blackout about it?
Watching the children of the Tory party play is getting more and more hilarious or it would be if the future of the U.K wasn’t ( for a short time at least) going to be in the hands of these people, presumably this is what Hush Puppy Clarke had in mind when in the 90’s he said that we ‘needed to skip a generation’ quite right Ken, these people are about right to fill the seats in a ‘ county council ‘ of the e.u , something else he was looking forward to at the time.
Serious matters of policy or strategic importance are debated at the level of a sixth form debating society by people who have done nothing except get their noses further in the trough. Their every utterance reported by the media so dumbed down and childish one wonders who they are writing or presenting for. First we’ve had the long running soap of ‘deal or no deal’ aimed one assumes at the lowest common denominator of viewer, and now we have contenders for the leadership of the Tory party presented each day as a ‘race’.
Looking at these people I wonder if they are in some sort of parallel universe, the one seen 24/7 on T.V commercials where happy smiling
adult children go their way without a care in the world to some utopia which is just around the corner as long as you can make the payments . Are they I wonder reflecting modern Britain or are the commercials driving the agenda. May your god help us if that is the case.
An article last week said May was going to try WA4 :
https://independencedaily.co.uk/they-havent-bothered-to-read-it
This article says “She plans to try her luck again on 3rd June, before she stands down on the 7th”.
Is this really so or do I misunderstand?
When I look at the above list of a****oles that would like to lead our country, it makes my heart sink. I know that every word uttered from the mouths of these people is empty rhetoric, lies and deception and so, to save myself wasting hours each day, I’ve simply stopped listening.
We are going to leave the European Union, it’s just a question of how much chaos we have to get through to get away but we are going to leave.
British Independence Army? Absolutely if necessary but in the end we will leave the European Union.