One can’t leave the Remain MPs alone for one minute without their producing more mischief! By now even the most gentle person, disinterested in politics or indeed Brexit, must have realised that something is fundamentally wrong with our political system when our elected representatives keep plotting to thwart the will of the sovereign – us, the voters. The new ‘plots’ are created by the LibDems and by the usual Remain Tories and their Lab allies.
One can sort-of understand that the Libdems, or rather one of their leadership candidates, Sir Ed Davey, want to prove that they exist and that they have Remain clout. So let’s take a look:
“Sir Ed Davey, who is battling with Jo Swinson for the right to succeed Sir Vince Cable as the party’s leader, said he was working on a plan for a government of national unity led by veteran Labour MPs Hillary Benn or Yvette Cooper. Sir Ed told a Westminster hustings organised by Lobby journalists that the new administration would be formed if there was a vote of no confidence in the current Tory government. By setting up an alternative PM to Opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn entering Number 10, Sir Ed suggested it might help secure the support of 25-30 Tory MPs for the confidence motion. The new government would only exist for around six months to legislate for and deliver a new referendum on EU membership.” (paywalled link)
This is nothing but a pipe dream to get into the headlines, as Sir Ed Davey knows full well and as his ‘confession’ makes clear:
“I’m not suggesting everyone is jumping to this idea yet, it will take some persuasion. It would envisage a non-front bench MP probably from the Labour party being the Prime Minister, being called to the Palace. The Palace would have heard from Parliament that that MP had a significant number of support from the Conservative benches – 25, 30 MPs probably – that they also had support of the other opposition parties. That could lead to a government of national unity which paved the way for the legislation to enable a People’s Vote.” He said the leader “probably has to be a Labour MP because most of the MPs supporting this government of national unity would be Labour, so ultimately it’s a challenge to my Labour colleagues, many of whom understand Brexit, and the no-deal Brexit that threatens us, would be deeply damaging to their constituents”. (paywalled link)
Good grief! What a way of presenting the LibDems as perfect coalition partner for a Corbyn government … T he BoJo-Hunt campaign must have become too tedious for words already for this ‘proposal’ to be given place in the MSM. There’s only so many times one can report on BoJo’s haircut and his socks, after all … Yesterday the Tory Party streamed their hustings – if you missed it (I did), you can watch it here, and read the comments.
Far more important are news about plots promoted by the Arch Remainers in the Tory Party. The first one might go down like a lead balloon:
“Under the new plan, MPs would be forced to come to Parliament over the back of September and beginning of October instead of holding the party conference. One Eurosceptic told The Sun: “This is all about giving MPs more time to stop us leaving. This gives the likes of Oliver Letwin and Yvette Cooper more days to do whatever they can to block a No Deal on October 31.” One senior source told the paper that the plan was discussed by Commons Leader, Mel Stride and party whips earlier this week.” (link)
What pious reason: giving those poor, overworked MPs ‘more time’ – because three years obviously wasn’t sufficient … what did they do in all those years? Posture and screech?
The other plot however is more serious. It has two aims: to stop Johnson if possible and, if not, to stop him from doing what he’s promising: to take us out on the 31st of October. The Times has the (paywalled) report. Firstly, here’s why this threat is feasible:
“Every July MPs have to approve government requests for money to fund government departments and other services. Without this approval the government would eventually run out of money, experts said last night. The votes are due to be held at 7pm on Tuesday night.” (link, paywalled)
So far so good, and in the good parliamentary tradition of scrutinising the government. Now see how the Remain MPs are planning to thwart it – and above all, why:
“In a cross-party move to thwart the frontrunner in the Tory leadership race, the Commons will vote on a plan to prohibit government spending in the event of a no-deal Brexit. The plan is being backed by Dominic Grieve, the former Tory attorney-general, and Dame Margaret Beckett, the former Labour foreign secretary. If successful, it would deny the government funds to pay for key elements of public spending including schools, welfare benefits and international aid. The Times understands that Labour will back the move when it is put to a vote in the Commons on Tuesday.” (link, paywalled)
It’s another turn of the screw by the Arch Remainers in LabCon. Shackle Johnson should he become the new PM even before he’s put anything on the table for the HoC to look at … unbelievable. There’s more:
“Rebels will be hoping that enough Tory MPs opposed to no-deal back the plan and bind the hands of whoever is elected as party leader next month. Under parliamentary procedure, MPs have to approve all government expenditure — known as estimates — twice a year. But an amendment to the latest government estimates, which is to be voted on next Tuesday, makes these contingent on either Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement being passed or the Commons voting to leave the EU without a deal. If the amendment is passed, a future prime minister could be forced to secure approval from the Commons for a no-deal Brexit or face the shutdown of large sections of the public sector.” (link, paywalled)
Or … the next PM could call a GE …! After all, we know that such ‘approval for a no-deal-Brexit’ won’t be forthcoming because this Parliament want us to Remain, notwithstanding the EU Referendum result or the manifesto promise of LabCon in the 2017, to honour the Referendum result.
I wish I knew what drives these ‘rebels’, the Grieves, Clarkes, and some Labour MPs. Are they only defending their EU ‘payments’ with tooth and claw? Why are they trying to please their EU paymasters, no matter the damage done to our country, to our political system? There was a name for such politicians, from a certain period in the history of the last century … There’s more – do spare a thought for poor Mr Corbyn who is being torn by his MPs as well:
“While Tory MPs may be reluctant to bind the hands of Mrs May’s successor before they have even entered negotiations with Brussels, it nevertheless opens a new front in what is likely to become a critical battle between the government and parliament in the run-up to the October deadline. Sources involved in the move said that it was a “simple matter of whether the government wanted any money or not”. However, it also presents a challenge to Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader. This month a parliamentary attempt to give the Commons a chance to try to legislate to prevent a no-deal Brexit was blocked by Labour rebels. More than two dozen have also written to Mr Corbyn to warn him that they cannot support his new policy to hold another Brexit referendum, demanding that the 2016 result must be honoured.” (link, paywalled)
I am amazed by the vigour and energy displayed by the Arch Remainers. I am also amazed (not!) by the kindness the MSM who refrain from calling out the Grieves et al as ‘hardcore remainers’.
I do wonder though why these MPs were and are incapable of showing this same commitment to such manifest threats to our democracy as voter fraud and fraudulent postal voting …
In four weeks we’ll know who the May Successor will be. In four weeks the HoC will go into the summer recess. Meanwhile, MPs surely will have to visit their constituencies to discharge their duties and ought to be reminded of their Brexit Manifesto promise. The threat of an early GE has suddenly vanished from the MSM, but it surely hasn’t been discarded by the Johnson-Hunt strategists.
Perhaps it’s time to tell the constituent MPs that, unlike them, we have long memories. This time, unlike in 2017, we have an alternative come the GE …
KBO!
I think it more likely that there would be a General Election rather than a second referendum.
At the referendum, freed from the shackles of tribal voting behaviour, people voted for what they actually wanted, knowing full well that their vote would count.
At any General Election, many people are stuck in the mentality that they must vote Conservative or Labour, in order to stop the other party from ‘getting in’.
And in many cases, voters do not bother reading election manifestos (to be fair I don’t blame them, as most of them are either full of lies or empty promises).
All it will need is a party like Labour to openly promise to ‘cancel Brexit’, and you will not be surprised if ‘leavers’ in traditional Labour areas vote a Labour candidate in.
All that’s happening at the moment is chess piece arranging, and posturing to test how the electorate would vote.
Conservatives, Labour and LibDems are not interested in ‘delivering Brexit’ – they have absolutely no intention of doing so, and are just trying to find the best ‘democratic’ way to get Brexit cancelled.
Unless there is a way at any forthcoming General Election to overthrow the government, Houses Of Parliament, the media, the civil service and the rest of the rotten Establishment, there is no way any kind of ‘meaningful’ (ie real) Brexit is going to happen or indeed even be successful.
I used to believe that once we were out of the EU, we could then turn our attentions to overthrowing the Establishment and ‘getting our country back’. However of late, I think we are going about things the wrong way around.
This article and the comments have been very useful to me. Not for responding to specific events but trying to understand mood, motivation and strategy.
I think you are right about the approach, it is the whole house that needs to be considered. Taking steps back to get the bigger picture, yes even bigger than Brexit.
Roger’s comment below regarding a Leaflet, a paper bullet or perhaps the ‘silver bullet’. If such a message pushes too hard people are turned off. If it is too technical and specific again people will be also be turned off. It is surely the dissatisfaction that is the crucial point here the perplexity and complexity with and of, the disgraceful and divisive behaviour of our politicians. The failure to govern, to fulfil their remit and earn their wages as our employees.
People will jump on a bandwagon and the momentum must be maintained. Seemingly every day for absolutely ages there is something reported that does not ring true for ordinary people. The last one that sticks in my mind is doctors backing a decision “to stop billing foreign patients for NHS care — calling it is fundamentally racist” And so it goes on. What, of course these doctors appear to forget is that they are our employees and have no right to ‘play god’ with our money. The same with removal of short term prison sentences. They have lost their objectivity and common sense. So you are right in my opinion the whole lot is sick. Sovereign power belongs to the people.
there are not many mp’s who have read all the wa and even fewer that understand it, if they did they would know they were giving our counntry away and signing there future away. Like parents who support the eu not understanding there children will be used as cannonn fodder, but mp’s don’t care its all me, me and has been for most
These Remainers are playing a dangerous game that may well come back to bite them in the backside. People like Grieve and Clarke are not worried since their time as MPs is just about up but they will need to get the support of a good number of Labour MPs as well as Tory to force an election and those MPs are the same ones that will be looking over their shoulders at the opinion polls and thinking that it is not a case of ‘Vote Boris get Corbyn’ but ‘Vote for a GE and get Nigel’!! The electorate are not as stupid as MPs used to assume them to be (and by all the evidence, still assume them to be) and if they block funding for schools etc there will be a revolution. These people are not just risking a General Election – they are risking Civil War.
“I wish I knew”.
“I am amazed”.
“I do wonder”.
“Perhaps it’s time”…
I’ll add one of my own to Viv’s cornucopia of frustration.
“I am bewildered” , bewildered how 17.4 million grass roots LEAVERS are so signally failing to make themselves heard and allowing the CONSPIRACY of Remainers to not only rise from the fetid swamp from which they originate, but prosper/dominate to the extent they do. In the context of the National Interest and democracy in modern terminology it os “DISASTROUS/CATASTROPHIC.
LEAVERS must be heard and prevail and to do this it is necessary for the LEAVE case to be restated in leaflet form and be re-issued to all households and posted in all popular personal media outlets. After all after the leaflet/letter Mr Cameron issued advising/threatening the Government’s stance was Remain then there is no excuse for refusing to do this it was the commons did vote for a referendum and they did vote to implement the result of the referendum.
The leaflet/letter should “major” on the issue of the complete restoration of all aspects of Sovereignty, the aspect of Immigration that this country is FULL UP and services etc. are being required to “shuggle up” to the point of crisis and that for too long and visible into the distant future it has been the result of annual nett immigration figures required to people new cities the size of Coventry and Leicester and a result of leaving must be that we will no longer be bound by the single market terms. The publication should also point out the danger of being required to be a member of the United States of Europe , the imposition of corpus juris, the loss of our permanent membership of the Security Council (and thus the last vestige of any world standing and the ability to act independently of ouR EU totalitarian masters). IT is also important that we mention the integrity of our own border control, our fishing waters and the ability to make our own laws. etc,etc,etc, “Dont’t forget Coudenhove-kalergi, the rescinding of the 1995 Barcelona Declaration and the Marrakesh agreement).
FInally it must be made absolutely clear that we voted to leave because we were not prepared to remain any longer within an organisation that had consistently, perhaps from the very beginning lied, dissembled, frustrated, interfered, belittled and in every way shown us that it was a ruthless enemy to our national interest and legitimate enterprise in the wider world. Remember Greece!
VIv,I think this may be a bit long, I crave a bit of indulgence.
Indulgence granted.
😉
The reason Brexit is being attacked with such venom is because Brexit is true democracy versus liberal “democracy”. Liberal democracy has been in development for a couple of hundred years and has finally achieved its aims of making an accepted political philosophy out of Atheism (who owns human life), Evolution (survival of the fittest), and Science (the Enlightenment – what science can do will be done – no objections will be tolerated).
But just when the promoters of liberal “democracy” though all opposition had been crashed and their political philosophy was becoming the new world order, along comes Brexit and the people being allowed to decide their own future in their own country. This cannot be allowed and if Brexit is achieved the new world of unbridled capitalist liberalism falls apart.
“I wish I knew what drives these ‘rebels’, the Grieves, Clarkes, and some Labour MPs” Possibly, one of the reasons, is because these are people who are mostly committed to big government and embrace the principle that ‘the state knows best’. The European project gold plates and promotes this ideological stance and thus Brexit must be stopped at all costs.
Looks like a real vote winner for the Labour Party that, vote for me after I voted to stop government funding estimates which meant you didn’t get paid! That should work well. The cracks are starting show though, even in e.u land taking on Farage now it seems , good luck with that, more votes for TBP. Meanwhile at the BBC even the blessed Fiona is getting some stick , along with the landowners propaganda show Countryfile got more more ( not before time ) . I mentioned the BBC weather forecast to someone in a restaurant last week, just in passing, and the reply was most illuminating’ I don’t watch or listen to the BBC on any level’ The words getting out it would seem, The best conversation I’ve had this week though was with the young manager of a local large and very busy establishment, ‘As for the Conservatives they’ve blown it with me my family and friends, liars, incompetents, no hopers with no credibility!’ Could not have said it better myself, and she went on as for Labour, lololol. Times are a changing it would seem.
Most sensible people who voted Remain realised from a very early time that the vote had been made and leaving the EU was the democratic wish of the electorate, this has all been said before. With the intransigence of the EU the clear evidence of instability and corruption within the EU, actually now, many more realise that Leave is the safest option and the right decision.
The second sentence
“By now even the most gentle person, disinterested in politics or indeed Brexit, must have realised that something is fundamentally wrong with our political system when our elected representatives keep plotting to thwart the will of the sovereign – us, the voters.”
Is so good! Not a reason to be complacent, of course. But nevertheless so true.
For me this is what is happening and in a reverse logic way, is that the pantomime is reigniting an interest in politics. The show eventually becomes entertainment and the fools are the MPs strutting their worth and prostituting their allegiances. They have become detached from common sense and ordinary people and values.
The more attention they attract, and they are trying so hard, the more they expose their stupidity. This paves the way for political change.
They have done so much to divide the country.
The law of unintended consequences is taking over. Something that the ‘establishment’ needs to notice. Could not agree with you more Kim. Most people I talk too would seem to have had enough, not only of the political idiots but the BBC/SKY the media and whisper it ,even the Monarchy. Things could quickly get out of hand particularly if we have long hot summer and P.C rain is not in evidence.
Lovely reply. Yes! Fingers crossed. And if I, and you, can help in any way it would be our pleasure. 🙂