The anger of those who watched yesterday’s debate in the HoC was something to behold. I’ve never seen people online become so ice-cold angry. I myself am still seething. That debate and vote was on a Motion from the PM, to dissolve Parliament using the FTPA, to get a GE. As expected, that failed: Ayes: 299 – Noes: 70, thus not achieving the not majority required under the FTPA, so the Noes have it.
Today, No 10 will present the Swinson Gimmick Bill (described in yesterday’s column) and it looks to be another event designed to make Leavers’ blood pressure rise. Here is today’s Order Paper – note that the aim is to push it through all stages today in an all-day session. Well, that’ll be fun!
You can find a non-paywalled report on yesterday’s proceedings here. The MSM reports generally focus on one point, namely that ‘Johnson failed’. That he failed simply because the Remain Parliament will not vote for anything he comes up with is apparently negligible. The fact – and it is a fact, the various sessions are all archived on the Parliament TV Channel – that the opposition, especially Labour, didn’t want a GE and do not want Brexit is somehow now Johnson’s fault.
Above all – the Remain Harlots of all parties have the majority and have been doing their utmost, with the help of the Speaker, to thwart any advance the PM might make to get some sort of Brexit. They have forced the PM to go to Brussels with No Deal off the table and beg for an extension – remember that Benn Surrender Act!. That is disregarded by the MSM. Btw – it emerged during the debate in helpful tweets that Tusk had sent a draft letter just before the debate got under way (here) and that Johnson had signed his acceptance letter (here).
Johnson presented his Motion and in good old parliamentary practice the leaders of the opposition parties spoke against it. It was surreal. The opposition benches were practically empty – Labour MPs were going to abstain – but the few who were there in support of their leaders were virtually foaming at their mouths, demanding Johnson apologise for using the word ‘humbug’ those many days and weeks ago.
Corbyn gave another of his ‘yeah but no but yeah but no’ speeches, the main argument being that Johnson lied and was not to be trusted … and: “NHS! Austerity! People’s Brexit”, as if he were already addressing a rally of the faithful. But of course a GE was out of the question unless there’s that extension and No Deal off the table. Tory MPs shouted “sack us then, sack us then”!
One reason for rejecting this FTPA Motion was the date, the GE being set to take place on the 12th of December: it would ‘disenfranchise students’ who couldn’t vote at Uni – no explanation as to why they can’t vote at their home address … Also, because it would be dark the elderly and disabled wouldn’t dare to come out!
As far as I’m aware, the UK hasn’t moved beyond the Arctic Circle, so we do have quite some hours of daylight where the old and disabled, who don’t tend to work 9-5, have ample time to get to the polling stations. Oh – those polling stations: some are in schools where it would disrupt Christmas festivities. Yes, an MP actually used the word “Christmas’ in the HoC!
You might recall that the Swinson Gimmick proposes an earlier GE date: December 9th. That’s a Monday, so is against our traditional Thursday Polling Day. How a difference of three days in December would not ‘disenfranchise’ all those Corbyn named – well, they’re MPs, so don’t expect any sensible explanation! Interestingly, Ms Swinson was quizzed over those dates and ‘squirmed’ – see here – giving a nice, political non-answer.
If you wonder why it is that the opposition, denouncing Johnson as liar, as failure and not trustworthy still didn’t vote to get rid of his government: it’s because they are determined to make the government dance to their tunes. That is the aim of that Swinson Gimmick.
Since that Bill is going to be pushed through today there will be amendments, first and foremost one to extend the voting age to 16-year olds. A Welsh MP demanded that ought to be extended to all EU citizens and even overseas immigrants. One comment poster wrote that it’s “desperately and openly trying to rig an election.” Indeed!
After Corbyn we had the SNP Leader with his constant Braveheart impression, and the LibDem Leader, both giving their reasons why they could not vote for that FTPA motion regardless of Johnson being an untrustworthy liar: they want to ‘grasp the keys to No 10’ for themselves. Ms Swinson aims to become the next PM – yes, she said so! The SNP wants another referendum for Scotland. Both Ms Swinson and Mr Blackford also attacked Labour in no uncertain terms. It was extraordinary, especially since both must rely on Labour to support their Gimmick Bill.
Then Sir John Redwood spoke, saying that Parliament is misjudging the mood of the public – that a GE now is about more than Brexit, it’s about Parliament and government having lost the trust of the people. You can watch a video clip of his speech on this tweet. An observer remarked: “No one there is listening, John!”.
Interestingly, the parliamentary sketch writers sensed that this Remain Parliament is doomed, no matter what happens today, especially as it’s not even certain that Johnson might get this Swinson Gimmick Bill through today’s session. Their usual ‘tongue-in-cheek’ bravado has given way to gloom, unfunny and not worth quoting. Richard Littlejohn in the DM makes some worthwhile points though
“So forgive me for wondering whether a fresh election will actually break the Brexit impasse. Anything can happen during the course of a five-week campaign. Even if Boris wins a majority, plenty of hardline Remainers will get re-elected, determined to stop Brexit at any cost, in concert with the overwhelmingly pro-EU Lords and extra-parliamentary actors like Gina Miller. Who would bet against another attempt to halt Leave ending up before the Supreme Court?” (link)
It would indeed be naive and foolish to believe that a GE would induce the ex-parliamentary Remain cabal to stop their efforts! Littlejohn concludes:
“Meanwhile, we face the depressing prospect of selfie-snapping politicians peddling their lies and monopolising the airwaves in the run-up to Christmas, competing with carol singers on our doorsteps. And at the end of it, whatever the result, what guarantee is there that the politicians will take any notice of what the people want? If the evidence of the past decade is anything to go by, none at all. Once back in their Bubble, it will be business as usual.” (link)
True – if we let them! If we – as some suggested – don’t vote from sheer disgust. This would of course hand the victory to the Remainers. Interestingly, the Tories are underestimating the sheer fury they have kicked off. The following may have been valid until yesterday evening:
“Mr Farage’s party lags well behind the Conservatives in the general election polls, but many Tory MPs are fearful that the new group could win enough votes in certain seats to allow Labour to come through the middle and win.” (link, paywalled)
However, observing the cold anger, the outrage in online comments, I suggest in all humility that the Tories, just as Labour, are underestimating us, the electorate. I expect a surge in the polls for TBP, especially when reading a comment like this: “The BP are looking at an open goal now. Back of the net for Nigel.“ – one of many written in a similar vein.
The Tory High command better remember that we, the electorate, are not idiots: “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me”. We’ve not forgotten the 2017 GE! A 2019 GE will be about Leave or Remain – and we know that none of the establishment parties will stand for Leave, for Brexit. Keep that in mind when watching today’s HoC session, and
KBO!
It should only be the % of those who voted therefor he did win and it should have been passed but if you have a fool in the chair what do you expect.Though I am glad as it gives him time to alter his capitulation treaty, we don’t want a bloody treaty we want OUT with WTO
The word ‘fool’ is not a strong enough description for the numpty who occupies the speakers chair. How have we got to the state that one man who would be better off on the west end stage, has so much power at his fingertips to decide whether an issue can be voted upon. Do we live in a democracy any longer. I think not. When he announced the result in the HoC yesterday evening, the intonation and body language was so very clear of his utter contempt. Get rid of as quickly as possible please please please, and ensure that leaves his ‘grace and favour’ apartment the morning after along with his fancy £65,000 rolls of wallpaper.
Stuart and COLIN. For once that was not Mr Squeaker at fault. It’s the damn FTPA that demands 3/4 of the total MPs to get an election. So abstentions count as noes.
Although I’ve been watching this unfold from the front lines all my life, I was in primary school in Pietermaritzburg when my father banged his fist on the table and raged about Suez, I was in Rhodesia writing A-level physics the day Ian Smith declared UDI and although I expected to see exactly what I’m seeing now.
Yet still I’m shocked.
The descendants of those who planned all this towards the end of WWII may not care, but those who, whether wittingly or not, aid and abet them? Perhaps they should care. Perhaps they will.
We’re not going anywhere. (There is nowhere to go.) This is our last stand.
Free Britain.
(Politically, of course.)
The brick wall. Brexit is stalled.
“……… the Remain Harlots of all parties have the majority and have been doing their utmost, with the help of the Speaker, to thwart any advance the PM might make to get some sort of Brexit.”
The Brexit referendum was a once off, a tide which taken at the flood would have achieved its purpose – independence. But the Remainers and the EU have been given time to regroup and create the notion that change means insecurity and is not worth it.
So what is needed now is a catalyst for change that would make independence outweigh all other considerations. Does that catalyst exist? Maybe ………. in the dissatisfaction and disillusionment growing throughout the Western world with the Globalist Capitalist EU version of “human rights”.
So the people will have to decide again ………. in an election …….. fought on the rights of the rich versus the rights of the poor.
In truth Johnson has been half hearted. He could have delayed the Ben act in the house of Lords, he could have challenged its legality in court. He could have left signing his acceptance of the extension to the last minute then resigned leaving parliament in a mess to get a new Prime Minister to sign it. Maybe he should have refused to send the letter, he could have threatened the EU with appointing an obnoxious commisioner and messing them about by vetoing everything. This comes from somebody with no knowledge of the potential devious tricks he could have played, I am sure with some knowledge and determination he could have got the EU to throw us out. Luckily for Johnson the mps are such a useless incompetent bunch of individuals there is not a single mp capable of digging a ditch. However they would spend 3 years arguing about where to dig a ditch, making a contingency plan to hire JCBs if the ditch digging deadline is broken and waiting for the EU to give them a ditch digging permit and taking a peoples vote on how deep the ditch should be.
Actually I think Boris and his henchmen know exactly what they are doing and just don’t want Brexit done. They are all just playing political games whist collecting their salaries and gold plated pensions without actually doing anything. Bring on the election.
Having taken the Maybot on her word that she would get us out, I was far more cautious about giving BoJo a similar benefit of the doubt. We now know that all that ” die in a ditch” we will be out 31 OCT no ifs or buts, was simply a ploy to get the oligarchs of Brussels to re-open the Maybot WA&PD surrender treaty. BoJo polished a turd and now presents it to us as a sparkling diamond. Sure enough, as in the Maastricht treaty debacle, the Spartans of Thermopylae did not die in a ditch, backs to the wall, they caved. If the populace votes Lab, in Jan they will get another referendum on ” Remain” or a Lab deal which will be “Remain”. If they vote Tory they will get BoJo’s treay which is 3-5 years agonising argy-bargy with the EU boot on our face and no definite end in sight. And if we vote antidemocrat….well…..good night Vienna. There is only one vote that will get us fresh faces in Parliament, a clean Brexit and a chance to restore normal democracy after Brexit, and that is to vote TBP.
Thanks Clive. I almost LOL.
Cold anger indeed, judging by the comments I’ve read since last evening on various blogs much anger could indeed turn to hot, I would not relish being on the doorstep trying sell LabLiBCon which hopefully will be an interesting experience for the party faithful. Most people I have spoken to have had more than enough even in this predominately conservative area , my guess is that Boris has blown it and a myriad of excuses are not going to be enough to save him from a drubbing. Vote conservative to keep Labour out, not going to work, neither will don’t vote TBP it will split the vote. You can work with a thief you can’t work with liars.. The next few weeks if he gets this election Bill through will be most interesting.
It’s pretty obvious now that not a single party in the House of Remainiacs will deliver Brexit. Boris seemed the best hope but it was the usual lies and trickery to deliver a BRINO. It’s sickening to see Swineson (sic) stand up in this Rotten Parliament and brazenly state that Brexit must be stopped, leaving the UK imprisoned and subservient to the EU, and get away with it. The SNP constantly carp on about the people of Scotland being, “Dragged out of the EU against their will”. What about the rest of the people being kept in against THEIR will? Time for an English Parliament I think. The electorate are even being denied a GE and a voice in this one-sided farce. It’s the Brexit Party for me….if we ever get the chance to vote that is.
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Littlejohn is spot on. The tory high command are going into this election in much the same spirit as Cameron in the referendum. Once and for all decision etc. Problem is what happens when the result is not what they expect? Wriggling out of a referendum result is one thing. Sorting out a hung parliament will create one hell of a dangerous mess. And a lot of the same old MPs will be returned. At least enough to cause serious trouble. All because the main parties have abandoned democracy. Public already thinking a plague on both your houses.
May I suggest a simple table to help those who have been too busy or bored.
Supreme court = EU
Gina Miller= EU
ECJ=EU
ECHR=EU
MPs =EU
Backstop =EU
Petty Bureaucrats=EU
Senior Beaucrats= EU
Mandarins =EU
Childish, or foolish, or immature, or thoughtless= EU
Irresponsible=EU
Remainers = EU
Houses of Parliament =EU
BBC =EU,
Free Speech & ukip is smothered
The Brexit Party has its hand full.
It’s simple really
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We Want Our Country Back.
Well said TG. 🙂
Here’s a very interesting video, you may wonder at first what it has to do with Brexit but think about it.
“The Enormity Of Truth”
https://youtu.be/lgQ7AOvUGH4