I am incandescent with rage. I am raging not just because of today’s debate and vote in the HoC to take ‘no deal off the table’, I am burning with rage because of the Remainers’ blame games in the HoC and the MSM.
Reporters and ‘pundits’, especially the TV ones, have now lost all sense of proportion and don’t bother to even sound vaguely non-partisan. You just have to watch a few video clips of TV interviews yesterday, see e.g. this one before the vote and this one afterwards – these are our oh-so impartial ‘top political TV presenters’!
Yesterday, the Attorney General boomingly and valiantly tried to hide the impossible behind bluster and theatrics. It was obvious before the debate that there was no change: the backstop would remain. Here’s a good analysis, posted before the vote. That debate was actually quite impressive, with some excellent questions asked by Ian Duncan Smith, JRM, Owen Paterson and Nigel Dodds (DUP) – questions which Mr Cox could not answer. He was actually stuttering and spluttering for a minute, trying to answer JRM’s question.
Then came Ms May’s Motion … let’s spread the cloak of compassion over that and just mention in passing that she was barely able to speak. I don’t know if that was a real cold or psychosomatic … in the end, she lost the vote. Again.
Today’s main ‘theme’ in the MSM is to accuse ‘the bone-heads of the ERG’ of having ‘lost Brexit’ because, according to the collective wisdom of Remain, they ought to have voted for Ms May’s abomination of the WA …
But instead of blaming the ERG, why do our Remain MSM not ask how come the Opposition didn’t vote for the WA? If the ‘hardcore Brexiteers’ voting against are therefore, in their opinion, losing Brexit’, didn’t the Opposition lose Brexit as well?
It couldn’t be, could it, because the Westminster Bubble dwellers believe they now have a suitable scapegoat to blame for that which they actually want – ‘no deal’, an extension to Article 50, a GE and a 2nd Referendum!
They are trying to make us forget that it is they themselves who are destroying Brexit, not the handful of Brexiteers who keep repeating that it’s they, the ‘bone-heads’, who stand for us 17.4 million Brexit voters! As the inevitable Sir John Redwood posted in his diary yesterday evening: “Ask the same question and you get the same answer” … but that seems to be too arcane for the Remain establishment.
While this morning’s papers are full of self-serving declarations from MPs (I spare you the links), and while some political pundits in the MSM and the Tory Party are now openly musing about Ms May having to go (I spare you the links to those as well), some are trying to sort-of promote some sort-of last-minute compromise (see here and here) which is mainly about getting a ‘short extension to article 50 – until May 22nd, thus avoiding having to stand in the EU Parliamentary elections.
Add into this poisonous mix that Ms May, tabling today’s motion, said this was a free vote (see here, and do check out the comments). That means she has caved in to her Remain cabinet ministers who are adamant that No Deal must be taken off the table.
It matters not that this will undermine her position in negotiating with the EU even further. It matters not that we, the 17.4 million peasants, see how the Remain establishment is now overtly planning to abolish our vote. After years of negotiations with the EU it is simply unbelievable that the Remain HoC, in their ‘wisdom’, still haven’t grasped the simple fact that there’s another player sitting across the table, the EU – and that they are not going to play nice!
Here are some ‘indicative’, ‘meaningful’ quotes:
“On the EU side we have done all that is possible to reach an agreement. It is difficult to see what more we can do. If there is a solution to the current impasse it can only be found in London,” said Donald Tusk’s spokesman. […] “Should there be a UK reasoned request for an extension, the EU27 will consider it and decide by unanimity. The EU27 will expect a credible justification for a possible extension and its duration,” the spokesman said. The European Commission warned that any extension would need to take into account the “reasons for and duration of a possible extension”, which could include a general election or another referendum. (paywalled link)
Or take this:
“The European Union will put a no-deal Brexit back on the table even if MPs vote to instruct the government to rule it out, Brussels diplomats have warned. […] “Behind the scenes people are increasingly saying that it is better to call it quits, to have a clean break and start again with a blank slate,” one European diplomat said. (paywalled link)
However, en coulisse that hard EU front is crumbling as well:
“But behind the scenes, member states are questioning whether such a hardline approach is really viable. Experts believe that, if the UK plays its cards right politically, a managed no deal could emerge.” (paywalled link)
Here are EU ‘sources’ on how an extension to Article 50 might be manufactured:
“EU diplomats predicted that EU leaders would consider a British request for an extension and its length at a March 21 summit, the last before the Brexit deadline of March 29. EU-27 ambassadors will meet Wednesday morning to discuss the next steps. An EU diplomat said, “Only the European Council has the strength to bring the necessary clarity. Breakthroughs are much more likely to happen there than at a lower level.” (paywalled link)
If you had calmed down a bit by now, I apologise for making your blood boil again with that last quote. This is what our Quisling HoC has reduced our government, our nation to: a country which needs the guiding hand of 27 EU member states even to achieve ‘Remain’ … how sickening is that!
So we’ll have to waste another day on the spectacle of “Remain” in the HoC today and tomorrow. There will be amendments, the Speaker will shout ‘order-order’ and it’ll be another day of sound and fury signifying nothing. One thing I promise: we’ll not let those bastards grind us down!
16 days until Brexit
KBO!
I have sat through quite a bit of two days debate now and particularly today have heard nothing but the concerns of business, in fact Starmer majored on “calamity” and emphasised the FEAR factor and oh! how he had visited “thousands” of businesses quaking in their shoes and how every one was going to lose their jobs and staaarve and particularly how businesses were unable to invest etc.etc.
in all theses debates there is no mention of elephants those in the room. I particularly refer to IMMIGRATION and the fact of an invasion of this nation in biblical numbers and the fact that the country is in virtual crisis through sheer number of extra bodies for which little or no provision has been made. Services required to snuggle up until they virtually cease to function. Apart from the abominable treatment of Greece by the EU and the return of our Sovereignty IMmigration was the main bugbear, for this reason alone qwe voted leave, surely it is being deliberately forgotten
Oh! the word I was searching for was CATASTROPHIC
UKIP leader Gerard Batten in the EU parliament today.
https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/1105778211068264448
The money where your mouth is voting:-
*paddypower*
Government motion 13/03/2019 Re NO-Deal Brexit to Pass (Void if no vote)
Yes 1/100 No 14/1
*ladbrokes*
UK To Leave EU With No Brexit Deal Before 1st April 2019
7/2
*ladbrokes*
Article 50 deadline to be officially extended beyond 30-3-2019
Yes 1/7 No 4/1
*ladbrokes*
Thu 04/04 23:00 NEWPORT WEST BY-ELECTION
To Win. Winning Party. Others on Request.
Labour 1/7
Conservatives 5/1
UKIP 25/1 <==
Green 100/1
Liberal Democrats 100/1
Anna Sourberry votrd against the withdrawal agreement,according to Brexit Central, but says the ERG are monsters. I suppose that means she thinks they should have voted for the WA and all the nasty bugs contained therein.
“French MPs Open Door to Franco-German Parliament”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/13/french-mps-open-door-franco-german-parliamentary-assembly/
“Farage Tells Europe After May’s Defeat: Reject Brexit Extension And We Can All Get On With Our Lives”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/13/farage-tells-europe-after-mays-defeat-reject-brexit-extension/
A Franco-German parliament! I’m wondering if when we get our real Brexit: what exactly will be the difference between having the European Union on our doorstep and having a Nazi occupied Europe on our doorstep?
It almost feels like we’ve turned the clock back some seventy or eighty years, there are various other parallels too. Can you imagine what is going to happen in Europe as they develop their army and EUROGENDFOR (SS) and increasingly come into conflict with the Eastern European countries and even Italy? Things could get nasty real quick.
It isn’t just new trading partners that we need, it’s new military allies too; I think we’re going to need a bit of help to deal with Europe in the fullness of time. Now there our plans to integrate our armed forces with Europe, this is treason that will end up leading to God knows where.
I have no idea how things are going to pan out but I’m getting a funny feeling about all of this and I don’t like the picture that is starting to emerge.
Evening F,
The farage told them rightly enough but I do believe that Gerard Batten told them better whilst farage was shuffling along.
Batten finished with “do yourselves a favour and us a favour and kick us out.
I agree. Its the latest of many you tubes by Gerard Batten on : https://gerardbattenmep.co.uk
For Your Information here are the texts of the amendments to be voted on this evening, with the names of the sponsors:
https://www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2019/03/the-six-amendments-tabled-ahead-of-todays-debate-on-no-deal.html
“she was barely able to speak. I don’t know if that was a real cold or psychosomatic ”
The known side effect of one of the drugs used to control diabetes is hoarseness of the voice. Hypoglycemia would also explain the pig-headedness and arbitrariness of Mrs May’s behaviour. If she really is negotiating the future of our country while effectively incapacitated by her condition then she is even more culpable than I thought.
JF
Incrementally since 1973 when Britain entered the EEC, an embryo of what was to become today’s European Union , British politicians have been batting not for Britain, but for the EU.
Whether they knew it or not then, and I believe they DID know it, our post-war leaders – Macmillan, Wilson, Heath etc. – were taking us into a spider’s web which has now absorbed our political institutions, especially Westminster and the Civil Service.
This trend has accelerated since Mrs Thatcher was binned by the Tories in 1990.
After 45 years in the web, the decision of the British people to get out of the EU is now openly opposed by our subverted Parliament , which now serves the EU , not us.
So it is now demonstrated to all that mere crosses on ballot papers will not extricate Britain from the EU. We are witnessing how difficult it is for a nation, once self-rule has been surrendered and its once independent institutions compromised, to get its sovereignty back again .
It will not be given back to us. What is required are leaders with the GUTS and WILL of freedom-fighters to TAKE BACK our independence. Only that will extricate Britain from the spider’s web which now enmeshes us.
Those leaders are not, of course to be found at Westminster as it is currently comprised. So the first practical thing the people should do now is to STOP VOTING FOR THE PARTIES WHICH HAVE ABANDONED THE BRITISH PEOPLE
Yes Viv,
Labour’s position on Brexit has been totally shambolic throughout, but as HM Opposition they have been allowed to get away with it. They may be about to cause real damage to Brexit. I wish Russell would advertise their hypocrisy on his poster truck…
You write: “Reporters and ‘pundits’, especially the TV ones, have now lost all sense of proportion and don’t bother to even sound vaguely non-partisan.”
Yes, even the normally ultra-calm, unflappable Ian Dale suddenly exploded last night on LBC immediately the result of the HoC vote on May’s WA was announced. Finally betraying his true colours as what might be described at best as a soft-Leaver and at worst a Brino-ist, Dale roundly condemned the stupidity (I forget the phrase he used) of the ERG MPs for allegedly destroying any chance of Brexit.
Nigel Farage, who had been strongly advocating rejection of the WA on his own LBC programme until a few minutes earlier, was included in Dale’s rant. I doubt that this evening at 7 pm, when as usual he hands over to Dale, their brief exchange will be as cordial as it has been previously.
wrt CScott’s post, Dale is a good journalist , well -informed and even-handed. Ultimately , however, he respects the Establishment too much . Dale is about “as good as they get” on LBC, which is otherwise stuffed with lefty journalists such as O’Brien or globalist journalists such as Ferrari.. Farage is the only exception , a genuine conservative. Personally I only rarely listen to LBC now , but when I do it is to Ian Dale for the reasons given.
Peter
I agree, Peter, that Ian Dale is an excellent journalist and presenter. He is also invariably polite, respectful and even-handed, allowing everyone a fair hearing before putting his own points or follow-up questions. He’s the antithesis of the hectoring, patronising, vitriolic James O’Brien, who – quite apart from his political leanings – continues to pour scorn on callers even after they’ve been cut off or have rung-off. But Dale lost his cool for a few minutes last night – admittedly during an amicable conversation with an LBC correspondent – and revealed that regaining UK sovereignty cannot be his primary concern.
dale is untrustworthy–as is hannan
As a PS, returning to yesterday’s HoC vote on May’s WA:
My preference is for us to leave under WTO terms on March 29th but the irony is that, if those who voted in favour of May’s proposed sell-out had had their way, we would be leaving on March 29th on those terms (assuming any essential legislation could be completed in time). By losing the vote, Mrs May retains the chance to extract a better offer from the EU at the eleventh hour that might even be worthy of consideration. (Dream on, I hear you say!)
The anticipated rejection of the so-called “No deal” in the HoC vote this evening (Wednesday 13th) reduces that possibility still further, but the default of us leaving under those terms in the absence of any HoC intervention may itself represent a degree of leverage. And see Peter Lindsay’s main comment relating to this, below.
Well, I lost my bet.
It’s unlikely May will resign by lunchtime.
Whilst all this goes on the reality is that MPs in marginals and all the MEPs are worried about getting elected again. Everything you hear or read is influenced by that.
Yesterday the Tories CCHQ went on election alert and all the MEPs who were once independent or UKIP have jumped on bandwagons to secure their place by the trough should we face the utter farce of EU elections.
Whilst all this goes on the reality is that MPs in marginals and all the MEPs are worried about getting elected again. Everything you hear or read is influenced by that.
Tonight let’s remember that the ‘stop no-deal’ vote is advisory only and the default is to leave on the 29th.
I despair that in the meantime JRM is still playing on his Lord Snooty schtick and refusing to knock off May, and Boris Johnson has lost his teeth too.
We need some Tories with guts to attack May and replace her. Then we need a ruthless cull of Remainer ministers and civil servants.
I can’t see that happening because……
Whilst all this goes on the reality is that MPs in marginals and all the MEPs are worried about getting elected again. Everything you hear or read is influenced by that.
And so the repetitive cycle goes on.
Remember the vote on opposing a No Deal exit is non-binding. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/12/no-deal-brexit-still-possible-even-if-mps-vote-against-it-erg. We MUST leave on an appointed date per the Withdrawal Act (possibly amended) whether there is or is not a deal. At the moment that date is March 29, enshrined in legislation , both UK and EU .
The vote on delay tomorrow is more interesting. Personally I do not think that it is going to be possible to agree a delay with an exit date mutually acceptable to 27 member states. If I am right, then Britain leaves on 29 March with No Deal , by default. They might just accept a delay to May 24 – 9 weeks, but what is the point ? There is no way May would want the UK to be seen by an astonished and angered public contesting the EU Parliament elections. The Tories would be wiped out in that and also the accompanying local elections.
It’s a bit ironic that at this stage we have to rely on the EU to refuse us a delay in order to leave on March 29. Still, as Viv says at the end of this piece, Nil Desperandum Illigitemi.
You’ll love this video:
“YELLOW VEST DUMP MANURE IN MACRONS OFFICES!!! ENJOY!!”
https://youtu.be/6lpS8BsApYk
Perhaps it’s time that we headed to Downing Street or Westminster with a couple of truck loads of sh*t.
Come to think of it, maybe we can find another use for those UKIP poster trucks milling around in London.