‘Negotiating’
My God, we do live in extraordinary times! So – have we ‘got Brexit’ or haven’t we? If you only saw the headlines in one paper yesterday afternoon, you had to think that we were witnessing the collapse of Johnson and his Brexit team! It ain’t so and it wasn’t so!
One of those headlines is here. At that time though nobody really knew what was being negotiated, just that something was going on because suddenly ERG members and DUP members were ‘seen rushing’ to No 10. That was ‘it’!
Sadly for the waiting reporters nothing was leaked,. We now know why: the Leaker-in-Chief from the Cabinet had removed herself. How she and her recipients must now regret this! Instead she now accused her Tory colleagues as ‘sexists’ – no, she wasn’t groped – because that is the only reason they rejected Ms May’s Vassalage Treaty! Read it for yourselves here and ponder that this lady held some high posts in government …
There’s one more item I simply have to share with you, with giggles: our dear HoC peacocks are now upset because they may have to come to Westminster for a session this Saturday but only if the EU has agreed to a deal which would make that session necessary. So they moaned …:
“MPs have been kept guessing over whether they will be called to the Commons on Saturday, with some complaining about having to be in Westminster for 9.30 on a weekend morning. […] Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the Commons, dismissed complaints from opposition MPs about the uncertainty, saying that “to meet twice or three times on a Saturday in 70 years is not too inconvenient even for those with the most pressing diary concerns”. (link, paywalled)
Oh dear – have these MPs never had to make conditional appointments? Even we peasants are able to tell our friends that we may or may not be able to attend depending on something happening! It’s just another sign of the deterioration in the mental caliber of MPs because, let’s face it, one doesn’t have to be too clever when one only needs to rubber-stamp EU directives.
So where are we now with Brexit? Nobody knows, everybody is speculating and some papers have felt the need to call EU leaders who are also not giving anything away. After all, while the negotiators are hammering out the details, they and the rest of the world will only know what’s what at the EU leaders’ summit today. This is what happened:
“Downing Street officials held a series of meetings yesterday with Eurosceptics, moderate MPs and some of the former Tory MPs who were stripped of the whip last month after rebelling over a no-deal Brexit. While not disclosing the details of the government’s proposed deal, No 10 was said to have set out broad “parameters” and “sounded out” MPs about their concerns.” (link, paywalled)
Keep in mind that RemainCentral, like us peasants, also doesn’t know what’s in ‘The Deal”. What we read this morning comes from those who, having been briefed, are tight-lipped, for example:
“After a 90-minute meeting between Mr Johnson, Arlene Foster and Nigel Dodds tonight, a DUP spokesman said: “We cannot give a detailed commentary, but it would be fair to indicate gaps remain and further work is required.” (paywalled link)
It doesn’t seem to have been plain sailing for Johnson then. At least he kept the ERG fully informed and involved:
“Sir Bill Cash, who also attended the briefing, said there had been “very serious, constructive discussions on fundamental questions… we are really making some progress on identifying the bottom line”. At a meeting of the ERG tonight, Mr Baker told members to “trust the Prime Minister”, with the caveat that support for a deal would not be given until the full legal text had been scrutinised. But a split emerged among Brexiteers as Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory leader who attended the Downing Street summit, was said to have “exploded” during the meeting and former Cabinet minister Owen Paterson said the proposed deal was “unacceptable”. (paywalled link)
That temper outbreak might have been caused by the EU where some ‘sources’ were apparently happy to muddy the waters with ‘details’ that are still unknown:
“Sources in Brussels said Mr Johnson had made key concessions on customs checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea, though the precise mechanism remained unclear. The deal, however, is expected to contain sufficient camouflage to enable the DUP to claim the Union has not been compromised.” (paywalled link)
That’s what happens when one listens to ‘sources’ who do have an agenda after all! Plain sailing for the EU is apparently also not on the cards:
“An EU official involved in the talks said the bloc was ‘very confident’ a deal would be struck overnight. But a senior French official urged ‘extreme prudence’ about predicting a deal would be done. The Prime Minister has been warned that even with a deal ironing out the details of his Northern Ireland plan could take months, forcing him to abandon his ‘do or die’ pledge to leave the European Union by October 31.” (link)
That link has a nice video clip showing in exemplary fashion how our MSM work! As Mark François emerges from No 10, reporters ask what he thinks. He keeps telling them over and over that he won’t say anything – so the ‘news item’ is: ‘Mr François doesn’t look happy’! We’ve all become a bunch of tea-leaves-readers now!
There are more ‘news’ from our EU “friends” who are not as tight-lipped as Mr François:
“A senior German government official told The Times that political agreement on a deal would not be sufficient ‘to resolve technical issues’ and therefore Brexit would need to be postponed for a third time until January 1. ‘Without a deal this week, Britain will need an extension. With a deal this week, Britain will need an extension,’ a senior EU diplomatic source said.” (link)
Good old sources! When is an extension not an extension … Here are more details:
“Boris Johnson is fighting attempts by the EU to delay Brexit until next year as negotiators worked through the night to secure a deal. […] However, the prospect of a deal came with a warning, echoed in Berlin and Paris, that the technical details might take until January 1 to finalise. Mr Johnson’s allies insisted that EU nations were split over the desirability of further delay. One said there was “strong desire among powerful forces to get this sorted”.” (link, paywalled)
For ‘allies’ read ‘sources’ … There’s more:
“Leo Varadkar added to speculation that Mr Johnson would be offered only an agreement in principle at the summit. The Irish prime minister suggested that his counterpart may be asked to prove he can get the deal through the Commons before it is signed in Brussels. The issue of a “technical extension” to allow the details of a Brexit agreement and its implementation to be ironed out was raised by President Macron of France during a phone call with Mr Johnson yesterday morning.” (link, paywalled)
Amazing, isn’t it, how “The EU” wants ‘proof’ that Johnson has the votes when no-one knows what the Remain Harlots will come up next. And M Macron, so fiercely against any extension, is now thinking about … an extension! There is however this twist to the deal-tale:
“Brussels is driven by protecting the integrity of its single market while preventing the return of a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. But should Mr Johnson have come up with a plan that the Irish government supports, it would be hard for the European Commission or member states to object.” (link, paywalled)
That’s supported by something which our Remain MSM haven’t been too keen to mention, namely that the Taoiseach’s government is in the same predicament as Johnsons:
“If the legal and technical obstacles to reaching an agreement can be overcome, then Dublin will push other member states to accept the deal. That’s largely because Ireland needs a general election and as long as Brexit remains unresolved, an election cannot take place. Fine Gael is heading a minority administration along with a handful of independents. The government is being propped up by its arch rivals Fianna Fail in a confidence and supply agreement.” (paywalled link)
Wouldn’t it be something if the ‘Dublin Tail’ which has so long been trying to wag the UK dog were now to wag the EU dog …
Johnson will be flying to Brussels today, to meet with the EU Leaders before tomorrow’s EU Summit. If that lot can agree on “That Deal”, a text will be published later this afternoon, probably after the Cabinet meeting now set for 4 pm.
Let’s not fall for breathless tweets from ‘prominent’ TV reporters: they know as much as we do. Let’s keep our powder dry until we know what has been done – it won’t be long now! – and
KBO!
Well. Viv’s article more or less says, no one has a clue what they are talking about. As for the Stock Exchange Gamblers may their ulcers take them soon.
why should any customs clearance be needed all eu goods to ireland can go into dublin direct from calais no need to enter uk waters or land. If eu trucks are kept off our roads they will be safer from an ex trucker
I CAN ONLY TAKE IT, THAT WE HAVE OFFENDED ALMIGHTY GOD ! ….. and a new plague has been sent upon us, in the form of POLITICAL CRETINS !
Note, no Party bias given today from me ! Our Queen has been dragged into this utter charade called a Parliament ! We have a Government lacking a majority ! An Opposition that won’t fight a General Election ! Plus we have confused voters !
We have a crack-pot European Union, intent upon forcing their will upon us and many of their members ! Although British and English history shows us winning wars with many of these Nations, a war of paper-work treaties seem to have us beat !
I READILY ACKNOLEDGE OUR NATIONAL SINS LORD GOD and my own ! ….. and plead for your forgiveness in our sinful National decisions. Lead us Good Lord so that we may receive again your blessings. IN YOUR HOLY NAME ! – Amen.
Ah but, Mike. The pope is praying too. Don’t confuse the Almighty with contradictions.
Has anybody considered lately what a wonderful recruiting Sergeant Southern Ireland is for the Brexit position of the UK.
Has anybody noticed how a supposedly independent NATION has forfeited its ability to have full control of its own sea borders, both as to the passage of people and goods., never mind the loss of ability to make 100% of its own laws..
The whole point of UK Brexit involves the loss and restoration of our full Sovereignty across the board; what an awful example the invidious position of Ireland provides exemplified by the loss of that sovereignty and the need to heed/obey the orders of their masters in Brussels
I believe I am as cynical as Julian (commenting below), but my cynicism is based on complete ignorance, but I do look at the top of my SKy screen and watch the currency exchange rate with the dollar, probably daily and believe during the past year at least it has moved between “highs” of 1.32 pounds to the dollar to as low as 1.22 to the dollar, I believe I have also seen it in previous years ` as high as 1.50 and can remember back as far as 2.40 and its predecessor 4.80 – that last big leap off the financial cliff was explained as “not devaluing the pound in your pocket”.
Whatever, Julian points out or to me implies “Deal on” Pound up, “Deal dodgy” Pound Down. and apparently this allows the “Dealers” to make hay, what gets me is that I haven`t a clue about how the dealers make hay, or even if they do it legitimately or even in the proper spirit (i.e. to the victim – the Nation who presumably has some sort of copyright in their own basic ability to set their own exchange rate).
In thinking about this immediate and longer term reaction to events (or at best suppositions) is there actually any (or little) correlation between long-term economic policy or financial events and these short sharp movements, which I understand are in essence gambling. We used to mouth a saying about “wishes being father to thought” is it possible that if enough people “gamble/gambol ? ” diligently and collectively enough they can seriously affect the stability of a nation`s currency and thus its standing in the global finances
Obviously I am puzzling out loud and there is a reason.
I read in the business section of the DT yesterday an article written by a Matthew Lynn entitled
“As a rival to the dollar, the euro has gone backwards”.
To me it made interesting reading quoting a report by Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff which explored the role of different currencies, comparing, amongst a host of others the share of the Euro against the dollar and concluded in the 20 years of its existence, not only had it gone backwards, but was in an even worse position than the combined effort of the German Mark and the French Franc were before it was instigated. The article in the DT opened with the statement “It was going to challenge the Dollar.it would become the reserve currency of choice and it would make Europe the leading force in the global monetary system” ha ha ha (hope the Scots have been reading that)
I hope somebody will be able to get a look at this article and not just “sort me out”, but I would guess a host of others including the “Remain Conspirators” who seem so anxious to keep us at best hooked up to a failing currency, but at worst be compelled to join it if one of the terms of just remaining are to join the Euro and I might add finally lose/cede our permanent seat on the Security Council.
Viv I`m sorry I think I will have to crave indulgence once again it does look a bit long, but I do think somebody with more economical experience should take this up – maybe write you the article you were looking for..
Roger,
You might like this article on the London Forex market. As we saw way back with the ERM fiasco the value of our currency was trashed by Soros trading against it.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-boe-survey-currencies/london-forex-trading-turnover-surges-to-record-high-idUKKCN1UI229
Isn’t there something surreal about these negotiations …….. as if the EU elite can decide the future of who does business with whom and on what conditions they should be allowed to conduct their business affairs. All this from an EU elite who can change the rules at the drop of a hat e.g. Ireland and the bank bailouts where billions of taxpayers money was given to private banks without a hint of EU rules on public service contracts being complied with.
So the EU elite can make up the rules as they go along but when it comes to Britain leaving the EU then the rules have to be set out to the last detail forever into the future.
Very strange indeed. But then we know what power does to people. And power without responsibility is a hallmark of EU policy.
Perhaps like Chesterton’s Father Brown we should think ourselves into the minds and motivation of our suspects.
Who benefits when so-called authoritative leaks tell us that a deal is done? The Cons are the political face of The City. A currency trader who knew the right people would be onto a sure thing – deal near, pound up, oh dear, we:ve hit a snag, pound down. Repeat as required, treble gins all round.
Tell me I’m too cynical? These are politicians we’re dealing with.
JF
From the daily email to subscribers, this came in from jonathan Isaby of ‘BrexitCentral’ earlier today:
“Of course, there are a number of British politicians who do not want a deal to be reached at all. Yesterday 37 British MEPs from Labour, the Lib Dems, Greens, SNP and Plaid Cymru – claiming to represent “the majority of British people who now want to remain in the EU” – signed a letter to European Council President Donald Tusk urging him to impose an extension of the Article 50 deadline on the UK because “Boris Johnson does not represent the views of the entire nation” and they want to see another referendum held. […] Not only are they denying the mandate of the referendum, but they are seeking to impair the British national interest by undermining the UK Government’s negotiating position at this crucial juncture.”
To underline this, news are just in that Lammy, Grieve and Cable have just been spotted on the Eurostar to Brussels …
So 37 Remainer MPs have written to Donald Tusk telling him that the majority of Britons now want to stay in the EU. I shall be writing to him to say the exact opposite. Will you join me? He can be contacted at: Donald Tusk, European Council, Rue de la Loi 175, 1048 Brussels, Belgium.
Done ! email is on it’s way to Mr Tusk.