‘Just good friends’ – doesn’t really sound much like the introduction to a political article does it?
Well, just listen or watch for a while and I will introduce you to my good friend with whom I played golf this morning.
It was in our part of the world on a beautiful morning after almost a week of rain. There were puddles in places on the walks, but the course has a great capacity to absorb monster downfalls and just a touch of overnight frost. We had progressed to our half-way hut and settled down to ‘elevenses’, well, me to coffee and a couple of bananas, my partner to a more sumptuous repast including a sandwich and chockie bar.
The conversation opened as follows:-
Me So, what about this election?
Him Well P….. (his wife) is going to vote Labour, but I am undecided and wavering towards the LibDems. (Remain)
Me Why are you wavering? You voted to Leave didn’t you?
Him Yes, but a lot of time has passed and we have learned a lot about the disadvantages to everybody since then.
Me Why did you vote Leave then?
Him Because you persuaded me to (hoarse laugh – the man’s mad!)
Me (note my composure: I didn’t exclaim OMG at this point. My wife had a phrase for this situation – “If I told you to jump off the end of the pier – would you?”) At this stage I pointed out to him that surely it wasn’t just blind faith that had persuaded him; that I had also gone on endlessly about the reasons we needed to escape from the clutches of the EU.
In the course of our short break I did set about re-educating him, but I am not sure I have convinced him enough not to fall in line with his wife.
I don’t suppose the above conversation is unique, because although I am a dedicated Leaver, three-odd years is a long time since the referendum and I am often not sure that I can still keep all my own reasoning ducks in a row.
I have mentioned this in comments before, but I think many people have forgotten the reasons why we voted to leave the EU, and certainly to many it was never established why this nation had an absolute need to escape from what I termed at the time an evil empire.
Just as at the referendum there must have been Remain fellow travellers (those scared of their own shadows or convinced like Cleggy that this nation was “not good enough”, was in fact third or fourth division material whose natural home was subservience within the tender embracing arms of the treacherous EU) so must there have been Leave fellow travellers – remember we were a nation brainwashed by the EU and in turn by our own establishment and Parliament, so much so that the penny had dropped and the mass of the population had realised they were completely divorced from their own government.
While the general population proved only too willing to raise two metaphorical digits to their government and were prepared to give the ‘elite’ and the supposed betters a bloody nose, en masse they probably didn’t dig into the reasons and indignities Nigel`s UKIP had enunciated during the previous 20-odd years.
I know the mantra was we would regain our sovereignty, allowing us to control our own Parliament, make our own laws and control our borders and fishing rights in our own waters, lose the Single Market and release vast sums to spend on the NHS, and be free to make overseas deals freely and particularly redress the wrong we had done to our Commonwealth.
But did anybody think to educate our people to the reasons why we needed to be shot of the EU or detail the infamy to which we were welded, perpetrated for years by our own enemy within?
We should not forget:-
a) The origins and conception of the EU and world government, the Coudenhove Kalergi plan.
b) The iron and coal community was originally a plan to preserve the power of the Ruhr.
c) The Nazi connections of heath and ignoring of warnings from their own officials.
d) The 1995 Barcelona Declaration.
e) The continental system of law based on the Napoleonic code, Corpus Juris, which is intended to supersede the British Magna Carta and the loss of Habeas Corpus and trial by one’s peers.
f) The probably ceding to the EU of the UK`s permanent seat on the Security Council and thus the complete cessation of world influence.
g) The loss of the power to veto iniquitous regulations imposed by the EU.
h) The imposition of the European Arrest Warrant.
j) The EU`s ultimate aim of the establishment of the United States of Europe, with the consequent linking of fiscal arrangements and the loss of our independent ability to set our own taxes etc.
k) A European army, which means no longer could we have our own forces or equipment, and even our officers would not be under our own control to lead our own troops.
l) The loss of our ability to make our own trade deals or fish our own waters.
I will leave readers to add the dozens of items for which I have no space, but overall I would remind our voters if they still have doubts as to the ultimate perfidy of this dissembling EU and its ferocity when defending its own interests.
Think of their treatment of Greece: their only offence was to step out of financial line; surely they didn`t deserve to be robbed blind of many of their assets or to be left in virtual chains of slavery forever – they have no chance of escape or redemption.
Just think – it could be us. The EU is not our friend; it is a totalitarian empire and we must not remain one of its colonies.
Please tell the public the reasons we need to leave the EU or we could lose Brexit by default.
For the record: I won by four holes, makes up for his winning on Monday, so I suppose, yes, we are still friends but if he tells me he is dithering again ….
There are non so dim as those who will not learn. Unfortunately the Remainers, Labour and the LibDems welcome such people as their core voters. All the necessary information is out there and not difficult to find but I guess the lives of too many have been consumed by social media or watching sports to be bothered to look.
Please clarify:
c) The Nazi connections of HEATH and ignoring of warnings from their own officials.
Is that meant to be ‘health’ or ‘death’ or ‘stealth’ or what? And whose officials? The Nazis? The EEC/EUs? The UKs? It makes no sense however I interpret it without an explanatory link.
I agree Badger, it is the infamous Mr Heath who reportedly when informed by his officials that there were awkward conditions in the Treaty of Rome he was intending to sign said “swallow the lot”
Many apologies for the typo I hope it makes sense to you now
It is still beyond belief that every person in the land is not, even now, aware about why the EU is not democratic. To me this is the single issue which would help to make totally clear why there is absolutely no doubt at all that we need to be totally free of E.U. power. Metaphor time. Get in a taxi and ask to be taken to the station, you go to the station and pay for it. Get in a taxi, and let the driver take you to where he thinks you should go, and pay him for it and you would probably be taken to Lands End via Edinburgh. Taxi one, read a British government, totally free of hidden influences, having to please most of the people most of the time. Taxi two, the EU, and you are ‘ looked after’ like gullible children and our money goes to pay for extra politicians, commissioners and staff. Thus,surprise, surprise, there isn’t enough money to pay for our NHS or provide houses for our children despite being a relatively rich country. Catherine the Great spent her countries money on a new dress every day and endless rooms done out in gold leaf and fine paintings. Look around the world today and even the most benevolent dictator of either the right or left wing variety, must repress the freedoms of his people and leave them with no say in the priorities of need within their country. People died to preserve this freedom. Something is very wrong when so many people have no idea what the EU Commission is or how the EU works. Mr Corbyn is a traitor. Hopefully, Mr Johnson will get the courage to throw diplomacy to the wind and get this and above information out to the voters.
MY SISTER-IN-LAW IS GOING TO FRANCE, TO BE WITH HER DAUGHTER FOR CHRISTMAS ! We have always been at odds politically, as she only votes Labour. This year we have a Christmas General Election, and I have been worried that she might ask me to use her vote for her, and vote for her damned Labour Party ! – Thankfully she has not asked me, and therefore I would not be involved in casting a vote for a lover of Terrorists ! – I got tired of laughing at the possibility ages ago, of a genuine anti British PM, living in Downing Street. – The mere fact of him standing for election to the top job is for me, worrying and alarming in the extreme ! ….. This election will show just how many non thinkers there really are in our Nation ! I am sure that I will be watching TV results through into the morning, as I would not be able to sleep until this threat is done away with ! Surely there cannot be that many brain-dead voters, who only sea a red rosette ! IN HOPE, AND A HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL !
Mike, I saw your comment a month or so ago praising IDS and mentioning your time at HMS Conway .
Snap that was my first ship too
Port Fore 951/1953
What years were you?
Surely you would have politely refused? And is she aware that many people such as myself now believe that anyone who votes Labour, and being in full knowledge of their attitude to Jews, may be considered to be an antisemite themselves? Actually if she had given you power to vote, the moral thing to do would be to ignore her wish and destroy her vote. Far too many people think ‘that could never happen here’ but democracy is extremely fragile and it only took the Germans less than ten years to begin the Holocaust.
First let me thank you all for your support and generous and interesting comments.
I hope you won`t mind my taking the opportunity here to air some thoughts on today`s interviews particularly the one of Sophie Ridge withy Boris on Sky this morning, I missed the actual interview (not actually still snoring, but 8.30 on a Sunday morning, I ask you) but I heard the follow up studio comments
But I believe the suggestion of an Australian style points system was discussed, at last to cover the immigration problem and yes that is all well and good and perhaps it might even lead eventually to a reduction of the nett number of bodies for which our services are required to “shuggle up”.
I`m sure you all know what I mean lack of extra provision for the sheer number of additional bodies services are required to accommodate – doctor`s surgeries crowded, waiting times out of the window, Schools again overcrowded and class sizes rising, the effect on Hospitals needs no introduction most A & E departments are in permanent crisis and bed spaces are at a premium. ………..and housing …….well, why is Corbyn so able to make political capital out of those “dozens he finds sleeping on the streets” at every venue he seems to favour on his perambulations around the country and blames on Government “austerity cuts”
Why does nobody tell Corbyn it`s about time he dropped his nonsense and looked at the real reason for the problem, in that annually an extra 200 thousand plus additional bodies require the addition of at least 200,000 plus beds per night, if there is already a shortage and the indigenous population is rising anyway (often fueled by increased child birth rates of some previous immigrants ) then what happens is the cost of housing rises and this is reflected in rising rented accommodation prices too – so shutting out those who can least stump up the money.
I see Boris is supposed to be forming some sort of Minister of Points, but in solving the physical problems on the ground it is pointless without separate proper physical planning for these people`s needs and the proper allocation of FUNDS. It appears that the new system will be business based in that Business will be required to let the department know what category of working immigrant they require I would propose they also be required to arrange accommodation (long term) in advance of their arrival , that their taxes do really benefit the economy (i.e. not supporting families in other countries from our benefit system) and particularly being limited in the amount of earnings they might transmit home (better they spend it in British shops)
Thank you for listening. This to me, is THE most IMPORTANT aspect of immigration for which it is my belief little or no financial or physical planning is being considered never mind carried out!!!!!!!.
Bearing in mind the period of the year I believe my plea is appropriate this Country is FULL UP “there is no more room at the inn” and stable accommodation is at a premium
I crave Viv`s indulgence for raising the subject here but I think time is running out for a separate article or letter.
It also might be a bit long and I crave that indulgence too.
Roger Turner : I think the UN Global Migration Compact, when it kicks in, will need taking into account in all this. Of course the Govt doesnt mention it. My guess is that the quotas will be dictated to the EU; since they want to punish us, I’m sure they’ll give us the lions share of the migrants who are piling up in the Mediterranean. The Compact prescribes huge rights for them, and these will soon be legally binding enforced through EU law.
Talk about turkey’s voting for Christmas!! Unfortunately the world is full of ignorant people that would prefer to bury their heads in the sand. It amazes me how people that I’ve known all of my life and seem quite bright in many respects can be so willfully ignorant and yes they are going to get a nasty surprise.
Europe is a mess, Banks all over the world, including China, the US are teetering on the brink. Deutsche Bank is miraculously maintaining a feint pulse but I think the US has been bailing it out behind the scenes and this is the real reason for the supposed temporary repo madness, that has now escalated beyond all reason and become permanent. Now the Italian banks are on the wobble, it doesn’t bear thinking about, this is going down soon.
How do you think Britain is going to cope when this happens? A country that cannot produce enough food and will not have enough resources to provide for its population, it’ll make Mad Max seen like a bedtime story as the marvelous multiculturalism of the globalists is revealed to be the pile of BS that it is and the fight for survival begins.
I’ve been quite about the imminent election because I think it won’t turn out as anyone expects, there is a nasty surprise ahead and we’re being conned, we have no chance with the morons that I mention above being allowed to vote. Not that it’ll make much difference, Corbyn is a maniac, Johnson is vile lying pig and then there are the others looking to grab any piece of the action that they can. Puppets all of them, their job is to provide us with a pantomime and keep fobbing us off: we’d be fools to expect anything else.
Our government knows exactly what is coming, as the truth emerges, Britain will complete its transformation into a totalitarian police state.
So Roger, get out onto the golf course and bang as many balls as possible while you still can, very soon, if you want to survive, you’ll need to be banging heads.
Spot on Flyer, and to think many of these people think the ‘ austerity’ we have apparently all seen is devastating. Oh dear !
“How do you think Britain is going to cope when this happens? A country that cannot produce enough food…”
I sometimes wonder about food banks and the way town markets, if they have them, seem to be changing into a shanty town of fast food outlets. Might this be preparation for such a situation. Once I would have thought this ‘tin hat’ territory but now I do wonder…
“I’ve been quite about the imminent election because I think it won’t turn out as anyone expects, there is a nasty surprise ahead…”
Do you mean a Corbyn win is more likely than the media tells us? I certainly think the effect of the WAPSI age women offer, is being under estimated. There are 3.8m women affected and not only them but their husbands and partners and children if they are helping them out and the changes effect other things too eg: such women being able to help with grandchildren etc. I had two increases in pension age myself (the second one an 18 month increase for me for a 12 month increase in the pension age, after a 4+ year one already makes me especially furious) and while this will stop me voting Conservative despite being in a marginal seat, it will not get me to vote for Labour…but £30,000 is a lot of money (if it will ever be paid) and the phrase ‘silver lining’ is entering my mind…with the mainstream parties as you say all bad.
To be fair to your friend, leave voters have been subject to a massive PsyOp by the establishment for the last 3 plus years. Wear them down and force them to back remain due to fatigue. Notice remain haven’t suffered anything like the leave side. All deliberate and an orchestrated attempt to ‘re-educate’ the leavers.
My strong feeling is that if British Remainers only realised that a continuation of membership will mean ultimately seeing lethally-armed militarised foreign policemen on our streets enforcing alien laws (no Habeas Corpus, no Trial by Jury) on us, 80% of them would become Leavers.
What I have just said is a description of the way in which continental countries (I have lived here continuously for 50 years now!) have always been governed, and inevitably is what they are wanting for a United State of Europe. I had full documentary evidence of this during the seminar I attended in Spain in 1997, where they unveiled the Corpus Juris project for a single criminal code for all Europe, including the British Isles.
As some of you know I have been banging on about this for 35 years or so. I am so sorry that the Leave side has been unwilling to play this unbeatable, winning card, or at least to play it with the fire-power it deserves.
Excellent Roger. Particularly like the reminder that it was Nigel’s Ukip that had spent 20 years digging in to the iniquities of the ‘evil empire’.
You could well be right that some of the ‘Leave’ vote just felt like showing 2 fingers at the political establishment. I’m sure it is the case that much of the ‘Remain’ vote just felt comfortable with what they knew.
Since then we have been bombarded with countless items of project fear. Quite apart from lies and fraud from May/Hammond government.
It’s quite surprising that there is any GENUINE BREXIT opinion left really. There is though and it probably has something to do with the unmistakable deterioration of proceedings in our Westminster Parliament. Or perhaps it is the obvious inanity of the Corbyn/Swinson/Sturgeon gang that wants to be in power.
If it works use it.
Thanks for this reminder, Roger…..after all this time, yes, it is easy to forget.
I’m sensing a touch of the same horror dimension as portrayed in the Sci-Fi film “Existenz”, where participants’ minds are linked up in a complex computer generated fantasy world. When they finally wake from their startling experiences, disconnect from their machines, and set off to go home, suddenly one of the little fantasy signs reappears. i.e. are they are still trapped in the game? My reality has been beginning to feel a bit like that during this last week or two.
Here in Totnes..with its the red robed XR dancing priestesses to contend with, we had Dr. Wollaston, or was it actually a “Stepford”/LibDem 10.6 version of her with a circuit board overload, at a hustings in the Civic Hall last night. Our new Conservative candidate, Anthony Mangnall fought valiantly, against local political odds of about 250:1. He was calm, clear and polite…even managed a joke and got the whole hall on his side for a few moments of light relief. Fortunately Totnes town is not Totnes constituency, who voted Leave.
We pray.
Boris has mentioned “Groundhog Day”……only matter of weeks away, now……!
I find, when in conversation with friends who are wavering that putting the following question to them reminds them why they voted Leave – ‘Do you believe in democracy or do you believe in the appointment of those who govern’?
Your friend sounds like the sort of person you would wish was standing next to you in a difficult situation, your list is spot on and as you say anyone interested could add quite a few more items , but the key is interested, in a similar conversation pre referendum I asked a couple of friends what they knew about George Sorus, ‘who’ they said, when one told me there were 240 countries in the e.u, I changed the conversation to one about a television reality show, they were both word perfect and knowledgeable about that. That’s apparently democracy. Won’t they get a shock if we stay ‘in’ and the provisions of the Lisbon Treaty kick in, now there is another question , try asking many people what the Lisbon Treaty is about, another eye opener awaits I’m afraid.