Ed: this is another instructive email exchange between Frederica and her MP. We’re happy to publish this because it demonstrates excellently how ‘They’ actually don’t work for us even when they – or their assistants or SpAds – answer our emails.
Firstly, the MP’s email:
[Dear Frederica],
Thank you for writing to me about the potential use of vaccine certification. I understand that one of my team has already been in touch to provide you with details on how to submit evidence to the Government’s ongoing review.
I don’t want to pre-empt the outcome of this review, but I will reiterate what the Prime Minister has said recently about how important it would be to make sure any future scheme is not discriminatory.
Liberty and freedom are the foundation of our society, and that’s why the Government has no plans to make the coronavirus vaccine mandatory for the wider public. However, we need to consider very carefully the impact that this choice could have on other people’s safety. Compromises between liberty and people’s safety have to be made in a number of other areas of UK law, for example with drink driving.
Considerations of this nature about the ethical judgement of vaccine certification will form a key part of the Government’s review, and I would encourage you to submit your thoughts.
Other countries will make their own minds up about the need for future vaccine passports, but given that many countries around the world already require proof of vaccinations for other diseases like yellow fever, typhoid and hepatitis A, I would expect at least some to decide to adopt them.
I hope this helps to explain the Government’s current approach but, as ever, please don’t hesitate to be in touch if you feel that I can be of further assistance.
With best wishes, your (name withheld)
Next, here is Frederica’s reply:
Thank you for your email reply received 30/3/21.
Sadly, your paragraph beginning ‘Liberty and Freedom’ merely highlights the fact that it is government intention to coerce the population of the ‘United Kingdom’ into accepting both the ‘so-called’ vaccine and ID cards against their will, to be as standard in everyday life. The concept of a national I.D. Card was promoted during the years of the Blair government. It was defeated. The knowledge that Mr Blair has been ‘advising’ this government will not engender any belief in the claim of this government to be ‘libertarian’. To my mind this is an absolute abdication of the ‘libertarian’ concept of ‘government by consent’! The current descent from ‘Liberty’ to virtual slavery under ‘Big-State’ via cultural Marxism is an abomination that any true Conservative would scorn to support! This government is NOT ‘Conservative’! I could never have imagined that I would ever see such a degradation of all the tenets of democracy that I have previously accepted as normal during my lifetime!
You cannot keep everyone ‘safe’. It is an impertinent and blasphemous megalomania to believe that any government could achieve such an aim! Throughout history there have been epidemics that have killed those who were both vulnerable and susceptible. That is an incontrovertible fact.
To promote a ‘gene therapy’ so-called vaccine as the ultimate panacea is a pretentious fantasy. The so-called vaccine does not prevent catching the virus nor does it provide total ‘immunity’. It may possibly, mitigate the effects of the virus but it cannot stop a person catching it nor from passing it on to others. For those who are susceptible, the so-called vaccine may actually increase their chances of becoming very unwell after administration, through the lowering their lymphocyte count.
You mention Yellow Fever, Typhoid and Hepatitis A. Correct me if I am wrong but I always understood that these are quantifiable ‘diseases’ that carry a defined genetic make-up. Whereas the Coronavirus COVID-19 – like all viruses – is a ‘shape-shifter’ and liable to mutate repeatedly. I understand that the vaccine that is being vociferously promoted by government is not proof against mutated incarnations of COVID!
To promote the vaccination of the whole population (including children) with a trial vaccine (end of trials not expected until 2023), where the long-term effects are unknown, is an abomination! The Human-Being has evolved with an inbuilt immune system. Germs and bacteria are around us all at all times. Being exposed to such, helps build up those immune systems. It has been asserted that those (who do not have any other health considerations) under the age of 60 have a better than even chance of surviving COVID the same way that they would survive influenza.
To prate of government libertarian principles is nonsense. This government has no such principles. It has locked up a whole nation on a false and hubristic premise that only government action would keep them ’safe’.
To introduce any kind of domestic ‘passport’ – when to do so would exclude so many from society and normal life – is against all the tenets of the Human Rights Act to which this Country has signed. To affirm that the agreement made after the Nuremberg Trials do not bind this government is immoral and possibly open to legal questioning under the tacitly accepted International Law.
I have contributed my personal views to both consultations i.e that of Mr Gove and also the separate MPs consultation – which I notice is open until May!
Once again we differ widely in our views. You, as a Minister, are following the ‘Party Line’. However, you should remember that you also have a duty to reflect upon and represent the views of the wider population who elected you to office!
Yours truly, Frederica
A vaccine passport is neither an infringement of my civil liberties nor discrimination against those who do not have it. Once we reach the point where every adult has been offered the vaccine, which is not far away, it is a matter of indiviual choice whether an individual accepts the vaccine or not. I choose to accept it, and I have a card which shows that I have been given it, which is in itself proof of vaccination. I can offer this card as a guaruntee to others of my vaccine status, and others can do the same for me.
In the same way, I have a driving licence, which is my guaruntee to other road users that I am competent to drive, and their licence is their guaruntee to me. Driving a car wthout a licence, and therefore withiut insurance, is an offence. That is not discriminatory against those who choose to do so.
If pubs and restaurants choose to refuse entry to those who choose not to be vaccinated in order to protect those who choose to accept the vaccine I welcome that. If you want to drive a car get a licence, if you want a pint in a pub get the jab.
Master Petruchio. Are you stupid or what? It is COERCION to GET VACCINATED, that is infringement of our liberties.
Also if you’ve been ‘jabbed’, why do you need protection? Get your brain into gear, if you have one.
Indeed Pauline; such people are part of the enemy within. How on earth is forced vaccination equivalent to the need for a driving licence?to
Gawd Pauline I wouldn’t like to get wrong side of you on a dark night when you’ve really got your dander up.
But you are quite right these “rights deniers” must be squashed. As I’ve pointed out earlier those who deny or even think of denying rights must be guilty of a hate crime and fined or prosecuted.
You might have had a go at his phonetic rendition of guarantee while you are about it the ‘u’ should always be silent
Pauline…it’s another troll!! We must be saying some of the right things on here now the trolls are showing up! Dont feed ‘em!
Exactly so!
Excellent response – The pyramid of power that has been created under Covid never wants to be dismantled – The fake video of suited men collapsing dead under surveillance cameras in China panicked Italy into copying the vaunted CCP Lockdowns inspiring the authoritarian’s orgasmic comment “We never thought we could get away with Lockdowns in a democracy” – They love seeing the sheep suitably terrified to obey their every diktat even though illogical and contradictory like after 4 months of saying masks are pointless (correct) to making them mandatory – They never want to lose their new powers – Remember if there is something that gives you a thrill like driving fast or winning at chess seeing folk fearfully obeying their every whim is what gives them that same thrill and they are addicted and never want to give it up.
Would the Fat Boy’s career be able to withstand the dismantlement of the covid pyramid of power?
Well done Frederica.
I suppose the point made in his letter about drink driving can not really be challenged but there are things government have imposed before, that could have been challenged. Compulsory seat belts in cars contribute nothing to other road users safety, ditto motorcyclists crash helmets.
So it is not new. But by gum this time they have gone much too far too fast.
My MP (Bill Wiggin) responds to my letters and emails usually within a week.
It’s a government priority to protect the population from all forms of attack.
I imagine that includes the “quislings”, needle phobics and the just plain stupid.
Vaccination represents our best hope of getting back to normal and getting the economy back on form.
When I was child we all took our polio and TB vaccines because we and our parents.knew it was for thew common good.
Now we have an anti-social, snowflake generation that needs to be brought out in the open as modern day typhoid Marys.
COME
You reference Typhoid Marys. Typhoid from the WHO:-
Typhoid fever is an acute, life-threatening, febrile illness. Without treatment, the case fatality rate of typhoid fever is 10–30%, dropping to 1–4% with appropriate therapy (6). Young children are at greatest risk.
covid flu fatality rate (mainly coffin dodgers with other probs) is much less than one (1) percent overall and hardly affects children. About the same as a bad flu year.
Presumably there are stats for people who die (of any cause) within 60 days of being jabbed. When that death rate is compared to the current,60 day ruling of anyone who has had covid flu within 60 days will show the real killer here. And it aint flu.
Show us the stats.
Harry Again. You’ve had your Vaccination. According to you the Government have protected you. So leave the rest of us alone.
I am amazed. I don’t even get the auto acknowledgement to my emails from my MP. I don’t feel I have any parliamentary representation. I don’t think I am alone. For very many people, representative democracy is a hollow figment of reality. I now mark all my correspondence FOR THE RECORD because I know I won’t get an answer or a comment.
Representative democracy is a hollow figment for all of us Tony! Not one of them really cares about what the electorate thinks or wants. (That reply from mine proves the point.) Not enough people write to or contact their MPs. Over the years the politicians have become convinced that they have lulled us all into complete docility and submission. No good complaining amongst ourselves. We have to keep letting them know what we think. Even if they dont reply I think that their correspondence does get logged somehow. Jake Bennett thinks that is the case as well. the letters from my MP now carry the same ‘case number’. So I think ‘my card has been marked’! Lol!
Frederica :
Great letter.
Re “Representative democracy is a hollow figment for all of us …”
UK Column are currently producing an excellent series of podcasts on this very topic called “Dissidents Guide to the Constitution”: I particularly recommend parts 4 and the still-incomplete part 5, dealing with the topic of Democracy and how it all went wrong. The party system which took upon themselves the power to nominate candidates, giving us no say in the matter, is very largely to blame.
When its finally complete I propose to do a loose summary of this podcast. since the podcast will be over 5 hours long in all and not everyone wants to listen for that long; so watch this space.
Mary, I will look forward to your summation with the greatest. Interest. Sorry I don’t have five hours to spare being the full time carer for my husband!!! The nomination of candidates by parties is certainly a big factor in the case. It’s no better than the old ‘rotten boroughs’ really! Democracy has not been served by the fact that ‘the people’ have stopped demanding that their voices be heard!
mary. You’re right about the party system nominating the candidates is to blame. The local constituency party clearly have a lot of power and probably can not be sacked. They also presumably fund their choice.
Apart from avoiding the candidates for someone else there seems nothing any of us can do.
Actually Tony I think marking your letters FOR THE RECORD is giving your MP a let out clause. It implies that you don’t expect a reply! Tell him you expect a reply to your concerns, as your absolute right as a constituent! Keep writing and keep telling him you expect a reply! It’s not like you are wasting stamps if you use e-mail. In fact electronic communications imply that you have a complete record of your correspondence with them. (I keep a running record of my letters and replies copied onto a separate document). You could also complain to Tory HQ and to Graham Brady – 1922 committee – that your MP is not giving his constituents the courtesy of aknowledgement! Anything’s worth a try!
Far better to send the missives by Royal Mail. Not only does this ensure the further employment of your local ‘Postie’ but if you write to them as you are making your pasty, the opening of the missive at their end tends to keep them ( in their bubble) on their toes taboot! Just a thought Frederica. lol
I heard it was better to contact MP by snailmail rather than email, but why do you think that is? I would think from MPs point of view its easier to read print than some peoples dreadful handwriting !
Join the club! Since, and during the Bliar reign of terror, no mp has ever responded to my letters.
Mine’s not that bad but he either completely misses the point, or he snatches at ‘the party line’. Also it is sometimes a month or more before he answers.
The “vaccination” is in one crucial way actually dangerous, in that it allows the injectee to become infected but with reduced symptoms. In this state one is still infectious, but may not be aware. Giving such people carte-blanche access to mass gatherings is irresponsible, simply because of their vaccination status. Unvaccinated people can quite easily be uninfected as the huge number of negative tests demonstrate.
And what if a vaccinated person has typhoid or hepatitis? Are they free to wander around infecting others because there is no comparable scheme for these diseases?
Denis I totally agree. They simply haven’t got the brains to think anything though properly. They are so intent on total domination of the population (for what fell purpose is yet to be fully discovered!) that when a notion pops into their heads they open their mouths and the contents of their bowels pours out!
Frederica. They open their mouths and . . . . That is exactly the picture we have all seen of Hancock.
Denis.The/any vaccine does not infect the jabbed person. Vaccines are constructed of ‘dead’ cells and are given to stimulate the injectee’s immune system into recognising the virus and then dealing with it. The immune system is then alert to future viral attacks and will continue to deal with them.
Bill, you’re wasting your time. Anyone who believes that a vaccinated person is running around breathing out clouds of living covid virus particles is not going to be persuaded by science. It’s difficult to understand how this antivax stuff started — those who remember the smallpox scratch vaccination also remember how that actually eliminated the virus, no mass die off, no waves of death following after schoolchildren who had that silver scat on their arm.
I think covid vaccinated people should be allowed out only if preceded by a man carrying a yellow flag, a bell and a crier shouting ‘unclean!’ every thirty seconds.
JF
Julian, I’m disappointed with you. The point at issue is that UNvaccinated people are being VICTIMISED.
Myexperience of friends tells a different story. This is not a vaccine but a moderator – and they suffered severe covid flu after being jabbed. So much for dead cells.
Right thanks Biscotte.
Biscotte:
None of the vaccines used in the UK have any covid virus or parts of the virus in them. It is totally impossible to get Covid from them.
The Astra-Zeneca vaccine has a gutted cold virus that normally affects chimps. The Pfizer doesn’t contain any virus or any part of any virus.
The Chinese vaccine does contain covid virus, but it is not in use in Britain.
I think you are describing what is generally thought to be a vaccine in the true sense.
This so called vaccine is not traditional and is gene therapy, the long term effects are not yet known.
It is noticeable how the vaccine word has been hijacked to define this new wonder cure simply because it is assumed we all know what a vaccine is from our childhoods.
Yet another deliberate ploy to twist the truth by this hapless Tory government and its pawn MPs all of whom will only repeat the lies and propaganda to save their careers.
Since voting for the Coronavirus 2020 Act in March last year parliament has abdicated its responsibility to hold the Executive to account. That was the start of this disgraceful episode in our history that has produced The Great Covid Fraud and for which at this time there is no end in sight.
To be even discussing vaccine passports when no public health emergency exists is the greatest deception. It’s been all over for months and even the NHS hospitals don’t enforce all the “guideline” issues and the private hospitals are back to normal. I know because I’ve had surgery recently in a private one and then had to visit an NHS one afterwards.
We continue with the trappings of an epidemic simply because of all the government propaganda and have you noticed all the latest radio ads that are being used to keep the pot boiling.
In 1945 people had grown sick of war and just wanted to get back to what they called normality.
The same is now obvious from the extent of traffic and movement generally and the government knows that this prolonged charade of a viral infection that lasted for eight weeks and was all over last May has to stop very soon.
Let’s all try and stop acquiescing now that Easter is over as we move towards what we want our lives to be.
If the government thinks it has advisers then they should realise we have many more and far better ones that make real sense and who don’t require the economy to be trashed in order to reassert our lost freedoms.
Vallance and Whitty have taken the Queen’s shilling and know they are on a hiding to nothing. Why don’t they jump sides and join Drs Reiner Fuellmich, Vernon Coleman, Michael Yeadon and many more who have already blown the gaff on Johnson and Hancock having been de-platformed for their views but nevertheless will prevail ultimately as the truth slowly emerges.
Hooray for Geoffrey Bastin! Great post Geoffrey!
Add me to what you said there Frederica. Hooray for Geoffrey Bastin.
Bill W. That is not strictly true of modern vaccines. The Shingles jab, for example, consisted of ‘attenuated’ virus. It has caused me continuing bad side effects for years now.
O.k., I’m not ‘getting at’ you. I thought the same way. That’s why I had that jab. Unfortunately the Pharmaceutical Industry is running wild on the money trail and T.P.T.B. are hanging on their coat tails.
Besides which, why do we need all this fuss about this particular virus? Why this one and none of the other millions of viruses floating around?
Surely it is now obvious that Covd19 has been seized on as an opportunity to subject us all to a dictatorship.
Excellent reply Frederica.
Thank you bohma. I shall keep on writing to her about any matters that are pertinent. In the current climate that pretty well covers everything that this perfidious government touches!
Excellent response Frederica. My career Tory MP is nothing more than one of Johnson’s lapdogs and thus will never rebel against Johnson’s creeping authoritarianism but I still keep throwing in the letters to him as I believe writing to your MP makes a difference if sufficient people write on any issue. Whilst I have no evidence, I do suspect, Tory Central Office are keenly interested in MPs inboxes to gauge the mood of the country on any big issue.
Two or three of us in our constituency over the years have compared response letters when writing on the same issue from our MP and have found them to be often virutally identical so it may be that Central Office even draw up standard reply letters too.
Thanks Jake. Being a ‘Minister’ mine is the same. There is absolutely no chance of her siding with the electorate. Self interest governs them all! I, too, think the replies are generated from a central source. She learns the script and sticks to it. Thats why they put her on TV so often. She can be relied upon not to stray one inch from the party line. Lots of mouth and words but nothing of any substance. They all need teaching a lesson! Like being kicked out of office for ever!
While you don’t name your MP, you might at least name his constituency. My MP’s is Devizes North Wiltshire and I’ve been rattling his cage for quite some time now. Most times, he does respond but follows the extra cautious lines of the government. You would think that he would show a bit more grit since he covers quite a lot of the military.
Frederica. Vaccine passports would be contrary to article 6 of the Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights which was adopted by UNESCO in 2005. ‘Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.’
portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html
Thanks Ceri. I have copied this to keep in my back pocket for a future attack on this issue. Very useful piece of information.
We are dealing here with something like a big -time “mafia on steroids”, a criminal cabal, who have hijacked the entire world. Not with people who care about any law. If they have the money and power to bulldoze over all law, morality, ethics, truth, commonsense, everything else, they will; and it seems so far they’re getting away with it.
But as you say we must keep plugging away reminding everyone re the UDBHR, Nurnberg Code , etc
Up and at ’em Frederica. Well done.
Thanks Jack. I feel like a British Bulldog with my teeth sunk in. This has made me so flaming angry! They think they have got us where they want us. I dont think that they will “get away with it” (as per Professor Lockdown!) for much longer. The pot is just coming up to the boil nicely!
Oh I do hope Frederica is right they won’t get away with it for much longer.
British Medical Journal has interesting observations from a consultant about the side effects of the vaccine.
bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n810/rr-14
I got round to reading this today Ceri. Most interesting and informative. Thanks for posting.
Thank you, Frederica. I have written to my MP to ask if he is one of the 40 planning to rebel against the covid status check / covid passport. I asked that it not what are his reasons for supporting it.
It will be most interesting to hear the reply Ceri. No good asking my MP she is the Minister for Care and totally wedded to the party line!!! Her previous communications have made that perfectly clear! We plebs are totally unimportant in their eyes.