To: Jacob Rees-Mogg, Member for North East Somerset
jacob.reesmogg.mp@parliament.uk
Sir
Et tu, Jacob?
You’ll recall our exchange at The Freedom Association event in Westminster on Tuesday 11th December 2018. I had observed that you, with your eye for history, could have advised your party leader to have prostrated herself a few weeks earlier than she had, and that she could have chosen a more southerly German city for the ritual humiliation.
This, I’d explained for the benefit of some in the audience – I knew from your face that you’d immediately grasped where I was heading – was so as to strike a perfect historical note. The 80th anniversary, to the day, of the capitulation of another Tory Prime Minister would have been so fitting. And Chamberlain had more justification for Munich 1938 than May has for her errancy.
As I expected, you said you found my intervention “unhelpful” and went on to take a poke or two at UKIP in return, which was fair enough. Often, what we do today, the Conservatives (try to) do tomorrow, nicking policies, while we take the flak until the Overton window shifts. So be it, as long as the country benefits.
Weeks later, I smiled to hear “my” analogy being deployed in speeches in the House and elsewhere. Imitation, as they say, is … (etc.).
You have repeatedly declared that May’s assorted deals were even worse than being in the EU. You were quite right.
But now you, who had declared that the Teutonically-crafted Surrender Agreement made Great Britain into a vassal state of the EU, have now indicated you will support it, albeit reluctantly. I believe you’ve suggested others in the ERG do the same.
Shameful and a betrayal. How dare you, I say. How dare you!
I spoke to Arlene Foster in The College Green in January about exactly this eventuality, and her steely resolve gave me comfort. I hope she will now resist blandishments and reject blandishments.
You are acting out of character, apparently hypnotised like a rabbit at night transfixed in the headlights of a fast-approaching car.
As evri fule kno, this odious vassalage contains no Article 50 equivalent. There is no escape without the consent of the EU, of whose tender mercies we’ve seen plenty of evidence. Unilaterally breaking it will render us liable to unthinkable international sanctions, perils and (if at all possible) even more ridicule.
For that reason alone – and there are so many others – May’s/Merkel’s Surrender Agreement is absolutely unacceptable. However appalling is a delay, which of course is crafted to lead to a cancellation of the Article 50 notice by the 480 Remainers infesting Parliament, it is less bad than this.
We the people can, via the ballot box, rid ourselves of a traitorous political class and invoke Article 50 again, before the despots deploy a European Army.
I expected better, though I had feared you too might surrender in the face of threats, blackmail and probably much else I don’t know of.
But unless you recant and do the right thing, you too can count yourself among those I recently harangued:
Peering around, rubber-necked, to see what others are doing in order to decide on your own course of action is, on such an issue, other than principled. It doesn’t matter how others act or vote when it comes to sovereignty or freedom.
Do the right thing yourself, man, and to blazes with the rest! Emulate Churchill, eschew Halifax.
Mr Rees-Mogg, I find it ironic, and sad, that someone with such a grasp of history should consign himself to its dustbin.
However, I am certain you are conflicted, and there’s a little time before the vote. Use it wisely, and rethink. There might even dawn a day when you are grateful for this steeling of your resolve.
England expects that every man will do his duty.
Freddy Vachha
UKIP Chairman – London
[Address withheld]
Good old Freddy keeping a smile on our faces. Keep up the good work.
Got rid of Dominic Grieve a few hours ago, lost his tame Beaconsfield VOC 131-182.
His great oratory helped convince enough that the forked tongue scoundrel, who got elected on a manifesto saying the opposite of what he’s been doing, is best fit for the dustbin.
Oh, it assumes he does the honourable thing and stands down. Surely he would, unless he’s a blackguard too.
“Sir” Mediocrity, Oliver Letwin, is next in line. West Dorset, here we come.
Grieve is not standing down. It’s only an indicative vote …
lol. And a Second Vote/Referendum is required too, when the first one’s result displeases.
(Yes, I quite realise the scoundrel won’t stand down himself. My assessment in para 3 stands).
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But I received “fresh” news on this unsavoury matter a day ago. My source is or has very recently been a Tory MP and is reliable. Chatham House Rules apply and I keep my word.
Conservative Party Chairman Brandon Lewis has come out – well, in order to back Admiral Grievous Byng, anyway.
Dare he suspend the entire Beaconsfield Tory Party association? If so, he will reap the whirlwind. If not, Grieve WILL be deselected.
But lets turn to the odious twerp.
It may mean the friends of democracy need to look towards Great Yarmouth, which *harbours” this Quisling.
That Lying Lowlife Lewis, who has betrayed his own electoral pledges in the manifesto under which he stood in 2017, has a disgusting voting record on Brexit over March 12-29.
And Great Yarmouth voted 72-73% for LEAVE.
I see trouble ahead… whistling… lets have a nice day by the seaside.
I very much agree with your comments on Jacob Rees-Mogg, but no one should be surprised. With the exception of a few mavericks such as Churchill the Tories always put party before country, and run back to nanny.
However I disagree with you about the possibility of a future government of patriots denouncing any deal for few of the consequences. I do not for one moment believe that the Anglosphere, the Commonwealth or even nations such as China would impose any serious sanctions against us. Even if they did then so what? From Classical times onwards the question has been asked “would you prefer to be a prosperous slave, or a poor freeman” and the answer from any with an once of dignity has been the latter. If we were concerned only about money we would not have gone to war in 1914, a war which cost us one third of our wealth accumulated in the Industrial Revolution, but rather have stood back behind the Grand Fleet. We put freedom first.
The Tories betrayed this country under Baldwin and Chamberlain, did it again under that pompous oaf Heath, and are now busy doing the same under the most useless PM we have ever had. Rees-Mogg is just another who will appease rather than confront.
Regards
Colin Bullen
Tonbridge UKIP
Great Britain. The only nation in history who went to war for a principle. Twice in twenty years.
Colin, thanks.
Re the alleged disagreement – you must have misunderstood me and/or I must not have been clear enough.
For I agree with everything you wrote apart from that it constitutes disagreeing with me. :–)
We pride ourselves on being a nation of laws, with which we abide at a personal and national level. We wouldn’t be able to maintain that if this traitorous government and treacherous Parliament had enmeshed us in the Surrender Treaty, specifically because it would be an international treaty, and such laws are superior to other laws, ranking equal with the constitution.
So we’d have to break the Treaty, unilaterally (the EU wouldn’t co-operate) to escape, and we… probably wouldn’t.
Also, there would be unthinkable international consequences from those who aren’t our friends, including strict neutrals like financial markets and outright enemies like the EU, and probably a few of its member states.
Not that they’ll be member states much longer. The political project to a United States of Europe will only accelerate after the Brexit scare.
Anyway, the very critical Commons division today (29 March 2019) for the PM’s Surrender Treaty v3 has been decided +286 -344 = -58 (Loss), so we can breathe again.
I’d been informed of a few days ago that hardline Tory Remainiacs (like Greening) were secretly considering backing it if it stood a chance of passing, for they too know that this vassalage would have the UK begging to be allowed back in.
Fear of what their local Con associations would do may have kept them in line.
We’ve had a narrow escape.
Thanks.
I see what you say about international treaties etc., but nevertheless, when the fate of a nation is at stake, lawyers’ quibbles are irrelevant. In the early days of the Second World War Kingsley Wood said that he couldn’t authorise the bombing of the Ruhr ‘because it was private property’. If the survival of this country requires that we tear up international agreements then so be it. If anyone takes action against us, then we should do the same to them. We have never been afraid to go it alone when in extremis, and we shouldn’t hesitate now. I do no for one minute believe that the USA, or the nations of the Anglosphere would do more than mutter.
Financiers must not be allowed to determine our future, we must. Freedom and democracy are more important than money.
Centuries ago,Thomas Jefferson said that bankers were more dangerous than armies…
I have no wish to offend you, as I very much agree with almost everything you say, and admire the way in which you rally the troops to fight the Europhiles.
However I feel that the logical conclusion of your contention about international law is that, if a Vichy government signed a treaty which 80% of the people opposed, then even a future government, with a diametrically opposed policy, supported by the voters, would be powerless to revoke same. This would render the principle of no parliament being able to bind its successors null and void, and make voting pointless.
Law is the servant of man, not its master, and, except in dictatorships, requires that the vast majority of the people supports the concept of yielding the power to decide for themselves to the common good. Even then if you, or I, or any normal person, found that they, or their family was under direct threat, and the law prevented us from taking action, we would almost certainly ignore the latter in order to defend ourselves, and our loved ones.
It is also true that just because a law exists it must be obeyed. In Nazi Germany the disgusting Nuremberg laws were passed by the official government, but no decent person would have wanted to obey them, except under the threat of the Gestapo.
Turning to today, if May, and the quislings in parliament, should succeed in passing her foul Withdrawal Agreement, then to contend that it can not be revoked means that we might as well give up, and resign ourselves to permanent vassal status, as even a parliament with 80% UKIP members, supported by 75% of the people would not be legally able to do anything about it. We already know that nearly 100% of bankers are Remainers, and probably about 90% of lawyers, so they should be ignored.
Sanctions rarely work, even when directed against evil regimes such as Apartheid South Africa and North Korea, and the idea that this country, the fifth largest economy in the world, a permanent member of the UN security council, the fountainhead of the AngloSphere and the Commonwealth, and one of only six countries possessing thermonuclear weapons, could be forced to comply by international lawyers is absurd. On September 2, 1901, United States Vice President Theodore Roosevelt outlined his ideal foreign policy in a speech at the Minnesota State Fair in Falcon Heights, Minnesota: “Speak softly, and carry a big stick“. Well, we have a number of big sticks, if only we are not afraid to brandish them.
Talleyrand, the master of international relations, said that diplomacy consisted of saying ‘Nice Doggie’, while looking around for a rock. It’s about time our useless political class woke up and looked round for that rock.
Whatever happens we cannot allow ourselves to be locked in to the EU because of a fear of bankers and lawyers.
REPLYING to Colin Bullen on March 30, 2019 at 3:13 pm (indentation limit reached on reply)
OK, now we disagree, but only about what I mean.
“The logical conclusion” of what I’m saying is that the appalling actions of government and parliament – trying to tie us into a surrender *TREATY* from which there’s no legal escape for the UK – have been such that many feel we need a revolution.
And we need it before the EU gets itself an army, or deploys the Euro police force for which it already has legislative power.
But many of the snowflakes focus on Love Island, or Big Bruvva Rehaunched, or socialist claptrap their teachers have filled their heads with.
No-one seems to have picked up on the fact that ‘self-proclaimed’ “ardent Brexiteer” Mr Rees-Mogg is the MP for North Somerset, which majority voted to Remain at the 2016 referendum.
On that basis, he knows full well he is not truly representing his constituents wishes.
He knows which side his toast is buttered. While he won a majority at the 2017 general election, it was much reduced from 2015.
If there were to be another GE, he could potentially lose his seat.
That’s why he’s coming back into line.
It’s all very well slamming ‘Remain’ MPs in constituencies that voted to ‘Leave’, but its interesting to watch those where the shoe is on the other foot…
Stuart,
We do not know for sure what the referendum vote was in North East Somerset, because the vote counting was lumped in with the votes for Bath. The counting was done in the sports hall at Bath Uni. I was at the count, and tried to observe which way the votes went by polling station. Voting slips were initially bundled into groups of 25, and depending on which way they were held, you could see how many within the bundle were for remain or leave, or spoiled. Hardly any were spoiled.
Yes, Bath was strongly for Remain. Around 90% in central Bath. A less well-off part of Bath, where there had been a significant amount of leafleting with Labour Leave leaflets, was around 70% for Leave. There were areas of North East Somerset with high levels of Leave votes too – particularly where the Labour Leave leaflets had been delivered.
Prior to the start of the counting I did ask a Labour councillor whether she was aware of any members of Labour Leave in B&NES. No, she did not know any. Hmm… all a bit mysterious!
JRM needs to be unseated. Never trust a Tory!
Stuart, you err.
North Somerset, only 48% Leave, has Dr Liam Fox, not Mogg, as its MP.
Moggy represents – now, “misrepresents” is moot – North EAST Somerset, which is majority Leave. His majority is 10,235.
I have objectively analysed every single one of the 649 MPs’ Brexit voting records so far – we’ll see what Friday brings,
Email me your email address and you can have the spreadsheet, which will soon be up-to-date.
I don’t think Mogg is motivated as you say, He has lost his nerve and is frightened of contributing to the wiping out of the Conservatives.
Toto has pulled the curtain pretty well…
Mogg..all mouth and no trousers as i have been saying since chequers when his laser intellect failed to spot anything strange about the Maybot working secret deals behind the back of her Brexit secretary.
Freddy, thank you for pointing out my error, I stand duly corrected. 🙂
Freddy, would you like to publish that spreadsheet as a website? I think it could be of general interest. I could arrange that if you don’t know how.
He took his son on a visit to Chequers and lunch. That turned him into putty. All that privilege and wealth. There is a nice hill at the back with a view. ‘They took Jesus to a high place and showed him all the world….’.
> There is a nice hill at the back with a view
I’m sure it was.
I’ve woken up, at an altitude about that of the summit of the Matterhorn, with four out of the five highest mountain peaks in the world in plain and glorious sight. Theoretically, five out of six, but I couldn’t see Cho Oyu.
A spectacular and incredible view, looking out over an area bigger than Wales.
The Chilterns are… very pretty.
My experience did not turn me into putty, or rob me of courage. The opposite, if anything.
I trust Mogg will regain his confidence and courage, Chequers notwithstanding.
He isn’t a bad sort, and has to carefully consider history’s verdict, which will be that he put protecting the Cons above liberating the UK, unless he heeds the advice many have given him.
#MeToo
Thanks, Viv, for getting this up, I’ll link the page in to an email for the other 648 MPs,
JRM is emulating General Petain. An odd choice for a historian.
Rees-Mogg’s treachery hurt me more than anyone else’s. If there was one person I could trust in this political swamp it was him. Now he has become a Judas.
An utterly contemptible coward and traitor, a weakling and hypocrite, someone I would spit at in the street. I expected Johnson to turn his coat, I never for a moment believed he was a principled man. But you we different. I believed in you. I never dreamed you would let me down.
But you did and I curse you for that. You do not understand what honour is. Look at all those men of real honour who died for their country that are celebrated on walls in Eton. You are a pygmy compared to them. You wouldn’t even risk your seat for what is right for the country, let alone your life, you contemptible rat.
Your faith was misplaced.
I predicted JRM would falter and tried, in December, to stiffen his resolve.
Got his usual pseudo-academic BS and “unhelpful” in response and knew there was trouble ahead.
Sure it was unhelpful, JRM. Unhelpful to your godawful Tory party which has helped get us into this appalling mess.
There are about 20 or 30 hard core MPs who will not shift. The rest are sheep, opportunist chancers or traitors (more than one, usually)
Don’t put your whole trust in anyone, Badger, not even your spouse, and least of all a politician. It can only end in tears. Having said that, I do trust Anne Marie Waters more than any other politician. As the ‘Hazel’ sting showed, she says exactly the same in private as she says in public.
It is interesting to note that all or most brexiteer MP s are persuaded !… Maybe there is reason…Maybe it is only the result that the pm needs in order to go down splendidly in the history books .Maybe they know more than we do.. In a parliament dominated by remainers not very bright, and many youngsters with many inexperienced girls , and where subservience to the whip is easier than thinking,,and the wiseleader has thought of everything,there is no reason for following thoughs or reasons
Is she clever enough.. ?
Could she keep it from the Civil Service. ?
If I.mright. Why have an extension. Surely EU brains Know that her deal is designed to be impossible.. Maybe they helped.
She could justthink she’s cleverer than she actually is.
Anything at all is possible.
Whatever happens we need to keep up thepressure, and keep them on their toes.
There’stoo many variables.A housefull of blabbermouthd, Thin of remain reaction if fooled just for starters So./ Any alternatives ??
Cherchez Olly Robbins.
The Conservative Party in its present form is totally discredited and is a spent electoral force, and the same applies to the Labour Party. Neither party represents the democratic will of the people, or the law abiding working class of this country any longer (that is everybody who goes out to work). Jacob Rees-Mogg will never go against his beloved Conservative Party but he may live to regret this in the not too distant future when the electorate will change their allegiances to parties that have true political conviction like UKIP. The existing mainstream political parties just want to maintain the status quo where nothing ever changes for the better, and we are all heartily sick of it. I think the Conservatives will be on the receiving end of a crushing defeat at the forthcoming local elections in May, and no more than they deserve to be honest. They have been an absolute disaster under Theresa May. The UK independence Party have never had a better chance of succeeding this time round, but it would help if Nigel Farage got back on board and changed things from within. We need a united Brexit front now without all the petty squabbling of the past, as to who said what, where and when. This country is in dire need of a UKIP government.
Farage back? After what he has done to the Party? Farage is the Big I Am, the Great Kahuna, he will tolerate no one above him. He stabbed us in the back, first over Anne Marie, then over Gerard. He thinks he knows everything but he hasn’t a clue about islam. Now he is going to split more of the Brexit support. He could do us all a favour and just keep attacking the Tories and May, not starting an opposition to UKIP.
I think Farage knows perfectly well what Islam is. He has plenty of faults but stupidity is not one of them. He refuses to talk about it because he thinks the Islamification of the UK can’t be stopped. He may be right, though I wonder why, if that is the case, he has spent 20+ years fighting to get us out of the EU. It will make little difference to our children and grandchildren whether Britanistan is part of the European Islamic Union or not.
My reply to this seems not to have made it through moderation, or has otherwise got lost.
I wrote something pretty similar to what Keith since wrote.
Unlike Keith, though, I’m not sure Nigel thinks the Islamification of the UK is unstoppable, What I believe he feels is that there is insufficient net political return in repeatedly or often talking about the subject, at least at present. Religion and politics are best kept apart.
It is common ground between Nigel, Gerard and myself that the majority of Muslims are decent, law-abiding folk.
“Religion and politics are best kept apart”. I agree. “The majority of Muslims are decent, law-abiding folk”. I agree too.
Unfortunately Islam recognises no such distinction between Mosque and State. Since the supposed Rashidun Caliphs, spiritual and temporal power have been wrapped up in one man.
Britain’s Muslims will be able to elect a majority of MPs in the 2050s if their population keeps doubling every 13 years, as it has been doing since 1981. Do you think the decent, law-abiding majority of Muslims will then stand up for the distinction between Mosque and State and stop the hot-headed 23% who want Sharia law?
Some of the people coming (flooding?) into Britain because they think life here is better than the one they left behind, then spend their time (often funded by our ludicrous benefits system), or watch their very numerous progeny spending their time, trying to establish over here much the same environment that contributed to the undesirable conditions over there. The supreme irony of this is not lost on me.
So who’s more stupid? Them for their loony-toon, stone age “logic”, or us for permitting and encouraging it by fiscally rewarding it?
I am seriously allergic to such extreme stupidity. It brings me out in a rash and I am liable to say or do something even rasher.
But meanwhile, our finest boys in blue spend their time – and my money – prosecuting some man who dared to call a human with a penis a “geezer” (twice), and threatening some woman who dared to call a young human with a penis a “boy”.
Couldn’t make it up, could you.
On a more positive note, Sajid Javid has just told the vicious troupe of performing clowns who set out to ruin London – I mean the Khan, the Dick and the Abbott – to pizz off and for Stop & Search to be brought back. Treason May had cancelled it.
The EU had one idea I’d be willing to borrow – retrospective legislation, to deal with these disgusting criminals in parliament and elsewhere in high office.
We have had enough of Nigel p*ssing into the tent – let him go and p*ss in some other tent.
Party and career before principle and country.
When JRM says it’s the best of a number of bad choices he means it’s the one he judges is least destructive to the Tory Party, knowing that a prolonged extension to Art. 50 (as Letwin will Let In, via the Bercows) will mean EU Elections at which the two big parties, and especially the Cons, will receive the pasting of their lives,
That, needless to say, is not the relevant consideration.
CCO is now monitoring this so I’ll take the opportunity to pass on the message that their fears are fully justified.
And if there’s a G.E., I’m back in Old Bexley & Sidcup, but this time the kid gloves are off. On March 12-14, in a third of his votes on Brexit, James Brokenshire Broke his electoral pledges as specifically set out in his Party Manifesto for the 2017 General Election.
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Well done Freddy but I doubt that the scoundrel will take any notice. Maybe someone does have some hold over him for misdemeanours past.
Nah, he’s too boring. Peered up his Nanny’s frock once, though.
What JRM & Co. really do not is to take me up in a fair public debate.
The only complication is that the swift figurative disembowelling (at both a visceral and intellectual level) that would result might evoke sympathy for them among members of the audience.
Still no mention of the British Constitution which Heath rode roughshod over and successive governments have augmented the treason. Rodney Atkinson and Norris McWhirter encouraged people up and down the country to go to their local police station with a writ to arrest Francis Maude and Douglas Hird for malfeasance and treason. I did this in Colchester but the police and the CPS quietly snuffed the campaign out. Thus it seems that Ministers in government are immune from prosecution.
“And I do declare that no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority, ecclesiastical, or spiritual, within this realm. So help me God”. English Bill of Rights 1689
All MPs need to be reminded of this so that they are made to return to their proper duty of serving the British people and not being subservient to a foreign power.
If the Magna Carta, Constitution & Bill of Rights had been followed we could not possibly have ended up ruled from Brussels.
Heath’s final resting place is in Salisbury Cathedral, safe from those who might be tempted.
Well said Freddy.
It’s always sad to see someone widely regarded as a clear thinker and man of principle does a complete U – turn on something as important as this. He may not have given his full endorement of the deal but the final effect for the country would still be the same as if he had. But then he’s a Tory.
For my part I think you are right, we can fight on with a delay, and can do so even if Article 50 is withdrawn. I stand to be corrected, but I am not aware of any condition that says you can only apply Article 50 once, or that you cannot repeal the 1972 Act at any future time.
In the meantime the EU will continue to deteriorate.
FTAOD – Art.50 may be invoked by the same country every Wednesday afternoon if needed, as long as an invocation is not still in force.
A delay is less treasonable than this Surrender Treaty. I must rid myself of the bad habit of calling it an Agreement, because it ranks as a Treaty i.e. pari passu with the Constitution, the highest law of the land. It cannot be unilaterally rescinded.
Of course the EU will sink by itself. We do not want to be on the Titanic when this happens.
Well said, Freddy. When I heard his Mogg-cast on Monday, you could tell he was caving in to the Surrender Treaty. He will put party before country I don’t know what the whips have on him, but I bet May has been busy digging dirt on all the ERG MPs to get them all into line. Her problem is the DUP, without them her deal is dead.
Around 7 pm on January 15 2019, in the press enclave in College Green, I approached DUP Leader Arlene Foster, who’d been grilled by the MSM, and identified myself as a friendly.
Her demeanour indicated a very positive view of UKIP on her part.
In the frank exchange that followed, wherein I admitted my fear of even “staunch” Brexiteers faltering in the final denouement, she gave me confidence the DUP would not waver, no matter what.
I heard JRM say on a number of occasions yesterday, that he would only support May’s deal IF it was accepted by the DUP. The BBC can be quite selective in what you hear in retrospect.
By abstaining rather than voting against, could the DUP be argued by him to have accepted in part? Expect slipperiness delivered in soft, erudite tones.
I retain confidence in a Few Good Men, including the DUP, Cash, Bone, IDS, Priti Patel, etc.
BoJo – you must me kidding. The ambitious carpetbagger is one of the Many Goof Men.
Freddy only said what had to be said. In all honesty I don’t believe any Tories really believe in real BREXIT. My ballot paper said LEAVE or REMAIN. There wasn’t a box in the middle that said LEAVE WITH A DEAL.
Yes.
And this Surrender TREATY is insanely dangerous.
If a moral Parliament finally arrives, and repudiates it before we are overrun by a European Army, EurGendFor gendarmerie, etc., all our assets may become liable to seizure. Drive a car to Europe, Verhofstadt could grab it as the UK would be in default. We are dealing with bandits.
Amen!
Mogg has become a dog.