Now that the first Covid-19 vaccine has been launched, with its ultimate promise of herd immunity as we have known it for the last 50 years or more, it’s time to revisit the solution mooted back in October, as the world faced a ‘second wave’ of infection.
Whatever your views on the origin and dangers of the coronavirus dubbed by scientists SARS-CoV-2; whatever your views on ‘lockdowns’, of varying degrees of severity, imposed by governments across the world, there can be no doubt that one tiny little virus has caused devastation to many nations’ economies during 2020. There are many who consider the lives lost and the broken health of many more, insufficient to justify closing down whole sectors of both national and international economies. Out of that concern was born the Great Barrington Declaration, authored by Oxford epidemiologist Dr Sunetra Gupta and American epidemiologists Dr Martin Kulldorf and Dr Jay Bhattacharya.
“As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.”, they begin.
What is “focused protection”? “The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk” Ah – herd immunity rears its head again. “Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.” And the focused protection? “Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19.”
So there you have it, as British lockdown tiers and rules got more convoluted, with our hospitality industry sacrificed to keep schools open, it made a lot of sense. Yes, the declaration has been enthusiastically espoused by those who oppose lockdown on principle, who think the virus is a hoax, or no worse than flu; it is quoted by those who regard instructions to wear a mask as an assault on their freedom, it has even been lauded by minor political parties. They support it, without question, because it tells them what they want to hear.
However, it has also been signed by many scientists and physicians for whom I have the greatest respect such as Prof. Karol Sikora, the cancer specialist. Cancer diagnosis, which we all know needs to be as early as possible to save lives, and cancer treatment were put on hold during the first wave of Covid-19, with catastrophic consequences for many.
The protection for the vulnerable proposed is sound: “..nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.” However they then go on to state that: “Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal.”
However attractive the Declaration sounds, it suffers from fundamental flaws. Firstly the ‘vulnerable’ are condemned to continued imprisonment and denied the hugs of their loved ones, until they have all had their vaccine, whilst watching those around them carry on uninhibited. That this is a potential problem is acknowledged, as the declaration suggests those at risk may participate if they wish. Well, thank you for that kind doctors!
The second flaw can be found in that dreaded word ‘normal’. Even with mask mandates and exhortations to observe distancing, relaxations in travel and social activities have led to increased cases. Go back to ‘normal’ and this highly contagious, airborne virus will soon be jumping from host to host with gay abandon.
Now that we know a number of us likely have some immunity from cold coronaviruses we caught in the past, we can surmise that ‘developing herd immunity’, in the absence of a vaccine, does not have the dire implications it held back in March. Unfortunately it would still lead to an increase in hospital admissions, more needless loss of younger lives, more people left with long term health problems. Nor would the ‘protected’ be spared, even if they chose not to risk ‘normal’ life. When the hospitals fill up with Covid-19 patients and cannot carry out other treatment, it will be the elderly and underprivileged who lose out most.
Finally, the vulnerable do not live separately in isolated fortresses, they live among and with us, they are cared for by the non-vulnerable, they often need to visit clinics and hospitals more than the non-vulnerable. As the second, autumn wave showed, what starts in a young age group does spread to older people. Sorry, good idea but in reality, focused protection is a pipe dream.
Is it possible to live with Covid-19 without closing our pubs, clubs, theatres and cinemas? I believe it is but not by returning to what people still see as ‘normal’. For now, until the vaccine is rolled out and sunnier days drive away the virus, distancing and masks in indoor public spaces are still needed – it is not enough though.
We need a reset, not the one those who look at Agenda 2030 fear but one more akin to that which followed the discovery of Legionella in 1976. Once it was realised that these bacteria could get into man-made water systems and cause pneumonia, a raft of new regulations for testing and control came into being. We need the same reset for the quality of air in buildings used by the public. Air conditioning systems need to purify the air they put out with HEPA filters and internal UV lamps, airflow needs to be controlled to direct possibly contaminated air away from where people congregate. There is nothing new in this, the technology exists as do the engineers who understand airflow; sterile manufacturing has similar requirements in its clean rooms.
No, it’s not a guarantee, nothing ever is, but reducing airborne spread with sound engineering, rather than endless blanket bans for sites of airborne transmission will not only reduce Covid-19 cases, it will also improve general health by reducing transmission of other airborne diseases as well as reducing exposure to allergens. When the next pandemic arrives, if, like SARS-CoV-2, it is respiratory, we will be ready
It comes as no surprise to me to read through the comments here and see how little faith there is in the ‘correct science’. The appalling handling of this whole episode by SAGE, the rank hypocrisy and previous failings of people like Neil Ferguson has led very many of us feeling highly sceptical about, not just the manufactured vaccine but the manufactured circumstances by the PTB in attempting to coerce the healthy yet bewildered into taking it.
From the soft line of questioning at choreographed daily press briefings where rising suicides, broken businesses undiagnosed cancers and abandoned elderly were either ignored or dismissed as collateral as Matt Hancock and his team of unflinching dummies parrotted the same lines, showed the same dubious graphs always erring on the side of doom mongering and fear to Hancock’s performance on GMB where he appeared to either snuffle his laughter or burst into fake tears as it was finally announced he had honoured his instructions from the big pharma Barons and rolled out the first batch of their concoction.
Meanwhile stories of an MP in the Austrian Parliament producing a positive result from a covid test simply by using a drop of Coca Cola have surfaced. Tory cronyism in awarding multi million pound PPE contracts to friends in the know. Then there’s the early cases of Bells Palsy and allergic reactions from trialists, no clear information for pregnant women or women who fall pregnant shortly after accepting the vaccine.
It seems blackmail is the most effective weapon the government has against our in built instincts of self preservation. Removing the ability to travel from the non compliant appears to be the angle. Whether this vaccine is harmful or not on a large scale has yet to be proven. But let’s remind ourselves just how currupt these big pharmaceutical companies can be when they work in tandem with a particular ilk of government ministers. There is a link below.
Meanwhile, the sickest patient on the ward of politics appears to be UKIP. As the sceptical voting public seek a second opinion, articles like the one above offer little incentive for the floating voter and little to concern the other party’s.
https://twitter.com/YellowCube7/status/1337639130310721537?s=20
https://www.drug411.com/2017/03/29/largest-us-drug-lawsuit-settlements/
The problem I have with all of this is that two years ago an international conference was held to discuss what could be done in the event of a pandemic and many plans and suggestions were made including the stockpiling of PPE etc. In this country at least, it was totally ignored and the event treated like another expensive jolly got the great and the good because it was all too expensive and not worth it (in a nutshell). I understand hindsight is a wonderful sight but it was known that China was experimenting with contageous substances and this was an accident waiting to happen but why upset the status quo? I can’t help thinking there is definitely more to this than meets the eye as this has the smell of the Gates Foundation all over it. As usual follow the money trail.
What does not seem to be acknowledged is that there is a pretty successful and cheap remedy for the Covid in its early stages – Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin and Zinc Sulphate, known as the Marseille Treatment. Unfortunately, the NHS refuses to sanction it no doubt due to pressure from Big Pharma who wouldn’t make any money out of it.
Rowland P. Spot on. I’m sure you are right the NHS (and certain other people and organisations) refuse to sanction it’s use because BIG PHARMA WOULDN’T MAKE ANY MONEY OUT OF IT.
Vit D, Ivermectin *crickets*
This laudable piece by Helena misses the main point:
The reality that we have known since day one that the overwhelming majority of our population are not at serious risk from covid-19 and of those, even less are at risk of dying.
So this country has suffered all the consequences of lockdowns for what ?
To destroy the fabric or our society and our economy ?
The horrendous disruption, confusion and indeed massive increase in national debt?
For a disease which has apparently been a contributory cause of death for about 62,000 out of 67 million people.
Deaths which are below those for other diseases and causes.
Then we look at the various countries in all the world’s continents which have not had lockdowns.
Low and behold, they have all had lower deaths per million than the average.
The one exception is Sweden but they are still 200 covid-19 related deaths per million below the UK’s.
So we should never have had lockdowns. Sensible countries avoided them. They are political decisions based on nil evidence.
Thus, out of frustration, the new National Alliance for freedom from lockdowns has been formed,
nationalalliance.org.uk
This is a body formed to coordinate the 200 or so national and local freedom from lockdown organisations, thousands of individuals and a growing number of MP’s.
We also campaign on lockdown associated issues such the flawed track and trace, and the highly contentious new covid-19 vaccine.
We will be encouraging lobbying of MP’s outside Parliament this Monday 14th December 2020 on the issues of:
1.)No restrictions , directly or indirectly, on those who do not take the vaccine ( the majority of the population do not even need it anyway)
2.) Remove all areas from tiers 1, 2 and 3 and end all UK lockdowns without delay.
Please feel free to join us or contact us:
Anthony Webber
on behalf of the National Alliance for freedom from lockdowns
anthonywebber@nationalalliance.org.uk
Please note the National Alliance for freedom from lockdowns website is:
https://www.nationalalliance.org.uk
I’ve signed up for their emails Anthony Webber. I’ll sign any petitions they raise and also what about bombarding No 10’s office with emails like Debbie suggested for Boris’ Brexit trip?
Those 2 points to make for the lobbying outside Parliament are excellent choices.
As a microbiologist, I presume your job is to find ways to study ways to defeat pathogens by eradicating and preventing spread. Great for dangerous pathogens and plagues, but COVID is not the plague, nor is it Ebola or Spanish Flu.
How is eradicating or preventing covid possible if as they say it is, highly infectious respiratory virus is already endemic in the general population worldwide? It’s not.
Fortunately this virus we learned was downgraded on 19th March 2020 to the same classification of other flu and respiratory diseases…but Hancock Whitty and Vallance seemed not to get the memo…hmm.
Immunologists have a far better understanding of how to deal with a virus and more reliable public health policy as used in Sweden by Dr Anders Tegnell an epidemiologist to achieve herd immunity naturally, but this natural way is very bad news for Big Pharma, who wish to make massive profits from their potions at all our costs and liberties.
Have you ever wondered why there has never been a successful vaccine for coronaviruses?
Could it be;
A/ by the time a “safe” vaccine is developed herd immunity has already built up in the general population thus making them redundant. Little take up, so no profits to be found?
B/ Coronaviruses and flues are not on the register of High Consequence Infectious Diseases (HCIDs), so not much take up. Again little profits to be gained from costs of research and development.
C/ because of the often serious adverse reactions (ADRs) to trialists, with little efficacy to risk taking them?
So those that believe coronavirus vaccines will bring about herd immunity are frankly deluding themselves. We will get there just as we always have done in the past naturally. This vaccine is about profits for Big Pharma and Big Government nanny state “something must be done” PR policy, not about treatment or prevention. The MHRA who approved the Pfizer vaccine purpose is to facilitate “access” to big pharma as stated by
Dr June Raine at her Press briefing. I suppose the $980,000 funding from Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to the MHRA oiled this process no end followed up by a phone call to Boris. By coincidence Bill Gates has invested heavily in the Pfizer vaccine.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mhra-awarded-over-980000-for-collaboration-with-the-bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-and-the-world-health-organisation
The Great Barrington Declaration are proposing that herd immunity it attained naturally as fast as possible as it has been done for 1000’s of years with shorter time as possible inconveniencing vulnerable groups.
Does it look like the present tier and lockdown systems are working or even useless masks preventing spread?
Simon,
Anders has been mis-represented on herd immunity, he says himself that it cannot be achieved reliably without the vaccine. What he, and others acknowledge, is that generally the Swedes were happy to comply volutarily with the requests on distancing etc (and bear in mind there are only a few highly urbanised, densely populated areas) – If you tell them to do it on the six o’ clock news they all do it, was one comment.
It worked – for some time, helped by summer. It has stopped working as Swedes, like the rest of us, grew weary of keeping to their (voluntary and much lighter) restrictions and because winter came.
Without modern medicine and the better general health of most of the population compared to the trench weary and worn out soldiers, Covid would easily be as bad as Spanish flu. Incidentally, some consider that there is evidence that a flu pandemic at the end of C19 was actually a coronavirus and if so, was probably the strain we know as OC43 or closely related. Herd immunity saves us all? I think not. Smallpox? Diptheria? Polio? Malaria?
Yes, it has been my career to help prevent and treat diseases of one sort and another. It is also my job to train in contamination control and quarantine: I know how to advise my clients’ to keep a particular scourge out of their labs, keeping a human pathogen out isn’t so different. Yes, I’d have gone for proper border control and quarantine at the start…… but, I’d have been too late, we now know it snuck in on those flights from China last Autumn and everyone thought they had awful flu.
Ah – so my dreadful flu which struck me down on the 23rd of December 2019 (it truly was awful) looks to have been covid, untested (no tests then) and untreated. I’m old enough to know better than drag myself to the GP with a flu only to be told: “bedrest, lots of fluids, paracetamol, now go away, you know that already …”, especially right at the Christmas holidays.
Since I thought it was only a very bad flu, I relied on the old-fashioned herbal remedies: elderberry, rose hip and nettle leaf tincture. Obviously I survived, obviously did not end up in hospital: check the archives of INDEPENDENCE Daily – I was working, LOL!
So I really wonder if many of us who did have this ‘bad flu’ had in fact covid and are now presumably immune? And I wonder if anyone is doing a study on this. If not – might it be because too much money has been spent on ‘moonshot’ testing, simply because generally, doctors do not believe what their patients tell them unless their computer sez ‘yes’.
Absolutely Viv. Most of us have more sense than to rush to the doctors when struck down with flu.
You are also right to make the point that doctors nowadays take no notice of what patients tell them. They only believe what the computer says. And of course the computers only tell them what certain organisations have programmed into them.
So much money has been spent – wasted – it is now impossible for TPTB to back down.
My bother had ‘the worst flu ever, thought he was going to die’ almost exactly a year ago. That was in Aberdeen. I had really bad gastric flu in.. maybe March, none of the approved symptoms. East Anglia.
The reaction by HMG was to the disease risk, not the economic one. What will they do when the next bird flu hits?
JF
Easy: it’ll be ‘moar lockdown’ and: ‘kill all birds’ … to ‘Save the NHS’.
Simon Blanchard. Well said. Totally agree.
And thanks for reminding me that the declassification put it at the same level as other flus and respiratory diseases.
That really says it all doesn’t it. It’s just FLU. So apparently face masks, lockdowns, compulsory vaccinations etc. will be permanent because of FLU!
Somehow I don’t think any society can function like that.
Helena Windsor. No, I’m sorry but I do not like your attitude that the Great Barrington Declaration got it all wrong.
This ‘extremely vulnerable person’ does not want ANY of the anti covid measures that have been IMPOSED on us. I am a PERSON. I am able to make my OWN risk assessment and decisions. The Barrington Declaration was a good suggestion how government COULD have reacted to the covid panic. We all know it did not and tried to suppress the declaration.
U.K. is not the only country that has seized the opportunity to impose dictatorship.
I daresay you are right about the possibilities of ‘cleansing’ air circulating in enclosed spaces. Fine. Do that but meanwhile let’s get back to personal freedom.
AND. No compulsory vaccination.
Pauline – sorry if you misunderstood. I do not think the authors of the declaration are wrong in wanting to bring an end to the paralysis of lockdown. I have a daughter who works at a senior level in the theatre, she has been working in a supermarket since March.
I also have an otherwise fit and well husband who will probably die if he catches it – we have been risk assessing since the end of January. Yes, I was relieved when the first lockdown was announced, but we were already effectively locked down for his safety, it meant that it quickly became a safer for me to do what I needed to outside the home for work and us. For example, the distancing in shops. As cases rose in the Autumn I was quite prepared to go out in full PPE and operate shifts of high risk (me & a couple of others) and lower risk staff at work, rather than there be another national lockdown!
My argument with the proposed solution is that many, many lives could be blighted – of all ages. Back in March we had to assume nul immunity so the potential was worse. What I do perceive is that we can harness technology – not just in vaccines – to mitigate risk.
Why hasn’t this been Gvt policy? You might well ask!
As for vaccines? Of course we should choose. If I have protected myself it does not matter if the strangers on either side of me in the theatre have made a different choice, that is why I choose to have the vaccine.
Helena, I cannot make head or tail of what you say here. Why would your ‘fit and well’ husband die if he catches it?
Isn’t your daughter lucky to have found an alternative job when so many are now unemployed.
Perhaps you did not MEAN to criticise the Barrington Declaration. But now you are saying ‘many many lives could be blighted’, apparently if that declaration had been taken notice of.
Sorry but your own emotional response seems to be making you incapable of rational argument.
I said SORRY but there can be NO AGREEMENT between us.
I’m still considering what you say. I’m not a biologist of any kind and don’t know any either. so your considered opinion has weight.
My opinion also carries its burdens,’cause I’m 87 and Maths and statistics bloke and managed a big range of businesses of all types. Usually to stave off collapse and most of which now grace the economies of other countries.Japan,India, USA, China etc.
There appears, as a generallity, for this discussion, to be a reluctance to publlcly reveal facts and information. Particularly useful ones. Largely perhaps, because the sufferers are statistically rare at each stage. For example. Why would point four of a patient be noticeable except for the fact that he IS/ISNOT there. It’s angels dancing on the head of a pin. This information may or may not be out there . The fact that one has difficuly finding it is not good.[I asked someone recently how many had he seen and the answer was 3. That is not an answer]
There is also a distressingly cavalier attitude to mis-use statistics. eg the use of test and trace misinformation.
Anyway Helena ( I feel I know you better by now, and you may well know my daughter with whom i argue passionately on this subject but appears unimpressed) I can talk a lot but typing and punctuation wears me out
However I would say this. That in my opinion, in the early stages Boris’s “Save the NHS” etc until he got caught was absolutely the best judgment , but , also in my opinion Everythin went crazy when insignificant political pygmies got hold oftheir opportunity to grab and use the headlines and hence power and oversimple responses..such as fight or flight or hide.
In a couple of hours and Viv permitting I may have another bash at your interesting argument. In the meantime. Is there any understanding or examples of Herd Immunity or lack of it.? I’ve never had Flue. Are you sure it exists.? Do you really thing the Flue jab works.? During the war I did get Pneumonia and got cured , but as far as anybody knew, I never had Flue. I assume all that means nothing.
PS on a final rereading, I begin to think we may mostly agree on many actions which could have been done, which may not have been discussed, but certainly have never been used.So yes. GOOD. The Harrison Timepiece approach might well have worked.
What is not openly reported is that Covid19 was downgraded sometime in March of this year (www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19); consequently, the justification for lockdowns was removed. Nevertheless, government continued on its previously planned course, suggesting that there might be an alternative agenda in place.
The emergence of information about “The Great Reset” confirms that. Such plans have been in place for many years, promoted by the UN and, in particular, by the members of the World Economic Forum (WEF) who consider themselves to be an “elite” worthy of special treatment to the detriment of all others.
There are a couple of books that I would recommend for truth seekers:
“An Old Man in a Chair” by Dr. Vernon Colman, also a website http://www.vernoncoleman.com.
“Plague of Corruption – Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science” by Dr. Judy Mikovits
There is much else to be found on the web.
Good point that Jack Thomas. Covid19 WAS downgraded. I remember. ‘not openly reported’ ? It was SUPPRESSED.
I’m not sure which of our politicians or advisors is the most megalomaniac. But I certainly think covid has been used to impose dictatorship.
I’ve commented before on here that it feels rather like the way Hitler and his cronies imposed dictatorship on the German Nation.