Parliament was formed, Lords only, in 1215 and then included the commons in 1265. It was dissolved by King Charles a few times (see here) but he was forced to return the power to the people by Oliver Cromwell.
Since then we, the people, have accepted and subjugated ourselves to the rule of law derived from this Palace of Westminster. We have, until very recent times, accepted that Parliament is sacrosanct and the bastion of propriety and honesty.
There have over the years been very many individual MPs that have brought the palace into disrepute. They have not often, it seems, been held to much account with the odd exception. As a population we have largely shrugged our shoulders and ignored any miscreants.
But no more. It is now, largely thanks to Brexit which has polarised views in this country, that Parliament finds itself under much more scrutiny. We have seen members of both the Lords and Commons being measured and found wanting in every way. Corruption is rife, poor and often criminal behavior is whitewashed. There is no transparency and the place, as I have often written is in my opinion a cesspit.
Individual behavior can be excused as there will always be bad apples in every barrel. But when there is a collective will amongst the 650 members of the Commons to behave and legislate contrary to the will of the people they were voted in by, you just have to ask if the current system of governance in this country is fit for purpose.
They voted for a referendum in 2016 on the continuing membership of the UK within the EU. They then voted, having been commanded by the majority to leave that EU, to enact article 50 which is the legal process for our leaving. This gave two years in which we negotiate our withdrawal.
Two years and seven months on, and with only some 80 odd days to go until we leave, the 650 are still arguing, commentating, lying and obfuscating over the issue. Certain MPs have threatened to put into law statutes that would restrict tax raising powers by the sitting government which would potentially cripple the Government, the economy and therefore the immediate future of the country in order to get their way. The Speaker himself has decided to nail his colours firmly to the mast of Remain. This has most certainly brought the House of Commons into a constitutional crisis, one from which it may never recover.
Groups formed within political parties threaten and behave like school children against their elected leaderships. We the public have no other say until 2022, the next General Election. We can of course repeat history and remove parliament, but that pathway is both very dangerous and potentially very bloody. I also believe at this point that there is no appetite for this, but I add a caveat in that the people are both properly fed up and very angry.
If we are to be engineered into staying in the EU. If we are, as Guy Verhofstadt and Angela Merkel have demanded, to surrender our sovereignty and powers to the EU institution, to convert by 2020 to the Euro and surrender our Armed Services into the EU Army, one has to ask the question:
What is the point of a parliament and do we need one?
Our laws will be made by the parliament in the EU. Our taxation and expenditure will be determined by that body too. We will lose the power to veto. We will no longer need Her Majesty the Queen to assent any laws as they will be put into place and ratified by the EU. The ECJ will be supreme in its lawmaking. Our judiciary will be managed and administered by the EU.
All the traditions and pomp and circumstance will no longer be needed. The state opening will go and, thankfully, the need to have an upper unelected chamber. The palace itself, which is having millions spent on its restoration will become a museum perhaps. A place to visit and wonder at what was and could have been.
How will we be governed? Well my suggestion is that local authorities would magistrate local issues and laws. Local authorities already administer monies and issues affecting everyday daily life of the people. They can be voted in or out as the will of the people dictates in a democratic system already in existence.
We could even devolve more to regional assemblies – they are already in place in Wales and Scotland, and if they ever get back to work Northern Ireland. So why not regionally throughout England? Take Yorkshire, more people live in Yorkshire than in Wales or Scotland. It is not a stretch therefore to allow them regional rule, answering to Brussels and financed by that place.
Parliament has simply and plainly grown too big for its boots again. It has taken over 400 years but that is where we are. The politicians must look to their consciences and take a step back and look at what they are doing. They do not act in the interests of the people and the country when they so clearly and with so little regard act against the will of the people.
Of course, with the EU in charge we cannot, as they are unelected in the Executive, claim to be a democracy. You cannot claim to live in a democracy when you cannot sack your representatives.
If they do not stand down and if they keep this up, their days must be numbered, not individually at the ballot box but as an institution as a whole. Brussels awaits.
Do we need a Parliament? The answer is yes.
Do we need the despicable shower currently representing us IN the Parliament? The answer is no.
The answer is put your ‘X’ in the right box, and drain the damn swamp.
That means at EVERY level, Town, District, County, Parliament, the whole damn lot.
JL
Denmark went without a elected government for about 18 months, and things ticked along merrily. Trouble is, politicians may come and go, but the Establishment (civil service) prevails. ‘Yes Minister’ had it spot on.
The only way to solve the problem is for everybody to remove themselves from the electoral register. That way they cannot be given the mandate to cock things up.
My experience of parish councils is that they need professional help. I would suggest that government is put out to private tender, with constituents being the shareholders.
Kissinger once said that ‘power is the ultimate aphrodisiac’, in which case many of them must have very sore wrists.
For me, interest in politics came in 2009 when the expenses scandal hit the news. It was a complete revelation in that I had no idea that corruption was so broadcast and embedded. Call that naïve if you like. The more I looked into things the more interested and disillusioned I became and joined UKIP in 2014. I am not going to run myself down, I am no different to most.
This article, in my opinion, is very important and reflective of how people are starting to think about the future, even if they do not comment here.
My contribution is to say that political power has to be brought down to ground level. It appears that politicians cannot deal with authority and power for any length of time.
This is not going to change!!
TGS spoke of a two year tenure in a previous article and that to me relates to discipline in the system.
Mention has been made of County Council apparently a byword, or phrase, for incompetence. It doesn’t have to be like this.
The conclusion I came to, was that Localism seems to me to be the only way forward. Localism with subsidiarity up to National decisions. This seems to be not a million miles from your ideas Stephen.
With the technology coming into play now it can be done! We cannot let the EU, political corruption, technology itself, or the ‘Ideology that cannot be named’ ruin our future and the future of our families.
Change has to happen and I don’t just mean leaving the EU! So once this present fiasco comes to a conclusion, we cannot afford everything to go back as was. I don’t mean to be flippant about the job in hand I happened to think the EU is finished whether we leave or not.
By the way our council has an EU office, adding some confirmation to comments posted here.
We all have different ideas but it does seem that there is a growing consensus for the need for radical change in our politics. I would like to see a complete reformation a Second Reformation.
Thank you for this article and the great comments.
Speaking as an engineer I would say that, if our governmental system was a machine then it’s a machine that’s stopped working.
I would also say that it’s important to look at the whole machine, not just Parliament.
Next, we need to find the fault and determine how to fix it
Let’s begin with that much maligned body, the House of Lords, the one that, not long ago, was ‘modernised’ by one of the most malicious of tinkerers.
Now I personally never thought it was a bad idea to have the landed gentry, people with much to lose, sitting above the commons and ready to put a damper on things if the commoners got out of hand and started to wreck the political machinery that makes up our government.
However, the trouble is, that the commoners have succeeded in wrecking things right royally by kicking out and locking out a whole bunch of real lords, like Lord Monkton, but much, much worse, packing the place to the rafters with fake lords. The kind of people who, in many cases, would never, even in their wackiest of pipe dreams, have ever seen themselves as having a snowball’s hope in hell of aspiring to so lofty a station. Some of these are the last people on Earth that should be tasked with conducting oversight.
Not only that, but legislation aimed at giving traitors their just deserts has been defanged.
Again, speaking as an engineer, when faced with a machine that’d stopped working, I’d invariably ask, after a cursory investigation revealed recent shoddy workmanship and incompetent attempts at ‘modernisation’. who worked on it last?
Of course, given that this machine of which I speak is our country’s bulwark against threats foreign and domestic in peace and war I do be believe it’s rather important to fix it and get it working.
I also think attending to the legislation regarding treason might be a good place to start and ensuring there is no statute of limitations on it might be especially helpful. I suspect this may have been the root cause of failure.
I am of course hoping in the next few days and weeks that the machine will, of its own accord, miraculously roar back to life and deliver us, scot free, from the fetid maw of the sclerotic EU.
But I won’t hold my breath.
We need a parliament which represents the people but to do that we must make sure that MPs are elected as Delegates not Representatives. They trot out the hoary old line ‘We are Representatives not Delegates’ – well let’s get that changed. We also need a Parliament which is representative of the electoral vote (and not some weird system like the Single transferable vote they gave us a choice on a while back). It is quite wrong that the SNP have nearly 50 MPs with a smaller vote than UKIP which got only one. We must also make sure that the electorate drives the government not just elects them and lets them get on with it. We need a form of on-line preference to make sure parliament deals with the issues we want them to deal with and does so in the way we want issues dealt with. The days of the ignorant electorate being governed by an elitist ruling class are long gone and it is high time parliament reflected this. Representative government, reflective government and removable MPs are what we need. I could go on ……..
Stan ” The days of the ignorant electorate being governed by an elitist ruling class are long gone and it is high time parliament reflected this”
I presume you mean ‘political’ career class.
No they are not by a long stretch. We have a hell of fight on our hands with most people not wanting anything to do with politics. This plays to the advantage of the political class.
There is saying that people get the government they deserve and until people start engaging in politics then they can hardly complain of being taken to the cleaners.
Stephen
I am in full agreement with your article.
I would prefer to see the building know as the ‘Houses of Parliament” demolished and replaced by a block of flats to be called Europa Court. Retaining the existing building will only remind people of the low standard of British Parliamentary Democracy that existed immediately before Parliament finally conceded that full British Sovereignty should be surrendered to the European Project. The lack of British democracy will then be replaced by the lack of effective EU democracy
D.Turgoose
does anyone know how to start a petition to charge all mp’s like soubry who stood on a leave manifesto then got elected then showed 2 fingers to the voters and the queen as the queen signed leave on 29th march into law in june 2018 so its treason they should be charged with, they should be removed from parliment on Monday. Pleae if you know how to set this up please do so
As TG SPokes says – the regionalist’ idea of goevernemtn is the EU’s ‘divide and rule’ tactic.
The decline and corruption of the UK Parliament is part and parcel of being in the EU, no democratic accountability, just globalist administration..
Readers might like to go to the website http://www.cravenfreedom.com to see my full exposé of the corrupt party system, now in glorious technicolour or contact john.cruttwell@sfr.fr
A fish rots from its head down.
Marching song to drumbeat for 29 th March
This is the day
That treachery May
Gave away,
Britain
This is the day
Politics may
Throw away,
Britain
This is the day
The rest of us pray
For Britain
Watch for the day
Our MPs will say
I’ve got better Pay
Out of Britain
Etc
Regional Assemblies already in place and accepted :-Scotland, Wales, NI, and London, Now by stealth Manchester, West Midlands.
The methodology is obvious
1. Move Parts of government to a place, Plenty of ambitious young Civil Servants.
2 followed by a branch of propaganda machine- BBC
3, Followed by a ( Democratic ) Assembly and
4. an ” elected” Mayor.
5. Given powers over funding.
6 Branch line of HS2 to Brussels.
7 Gradual subserviance to the EU.
8 Next comes South West, then, Yorkshire. Already being softened up
Parliament thereupon becomes a tourist attraction.
Job done
The aim of good governance is to condition people to have minimal governance.
All as predicted by that political colossus Ken Clarke, also said years ago that he looked forward to that happening as he thought Westminster should have the powers of a ‘county council’ Well it has certainly acted like one for the last forty years and a bad one at that!
Move Government to a place . . . probably will happen when the Palaces of Westminster are emptied for refurbishment. If that happens at a time of political upheaval (ie General Election, unresolved Brexit, the death of our Monarch, the likelihood of national discontent over the choice of her heir, and political moves to eliminate the House of Lords and, generally by people of ill-will towards our Nation. Political parties must/will pass away along with the legal but unlawful systems they brought with them and people once again will understand the difference between ‘democracy’ and ‘suffrage’.
Being an MP has become far too comfortable:
– turn up for work when one likes
– overly generous salary
– overly generous expenses
– no requirement for even a basic level of education
– no responsibility for the consequences of their decisions
– allowed behaviour which would get them sacked in a real job.
I’m sure there is much more…
We need a clearout.
As for “regional rule, answering to Brussels”; exactly as has been planned by the EU from the start.
And the headless chicken ( Civil Service ) grinds on doing more and more damage hourly at Brussels bidding.
Collectively not very intelligent but very cunning and always after the main chance for ‘us’.