Brexit, dear friends, has become the favourite plaything in the Tory Party Leadership contest. The papers are now full of candidates and/or their ‘friends’ telling us that they would ‘deliver’ Brexit, but how they’d do it remains nebulous.
The latest is a hilarious plug for Dominic Raab. The author writes in the paywalled DT that he’s observed Raab negotiating with Barnier and that ‘they are scared of him’. It’s as if the criterium for electing a new Tory leader is “the EU won’t like it”, meaning either ‘that’s good for us’ or ‘that’s bad for us’. This shows how deep the tentacles of Brussels reach into our political processes. And still the Remainers don’t see it …
Btw – if there’s one phrase for which I personally would be happy to stomp with kitten heels all over Ms May’s prone body it’s her mantra of ‘delivering Brexit’. Brexit is not a baby, for goodness sake! It doesn’t need ‘delivering’ and it doesn’t need a midwife. It’s not a parcel which needs a delivery service like the Royal Mail. It’s not a ‘service’ which product managers concoct and then try to sell, ahem, ‘deliver’.
Just imagine David Lloyd George telling the then papers and HoC that he is ‘delivering the Versailles Treaty’! Just imagine Neville Chamberlain telling the then MSM that he is ‘delivering peace in our time’! We negotiate a Treaty, and then ‘deliver’ the results arising from that treaty.
I think it is significant that Ms May and her coterie of Remainers, Mandarins included, have used this manager speak because in this way they have distracted us all from learning who actually conducted the negotiations. Hands up anyone who was aware of a certain Mr Olly Robbins before Chequers … no, me neither! It was only after Chequers that we slowly learned the full horror.
Had she not insisted – on whose counsel, I ask myself – on doing the Brexit delivery service herself, bypassing her Brexit ministers and thus cutting them off at the knees as far as the power players on the other side of the table in Brussels were concerned – she might have got a better result and might even still be PM.
We know from various ‘anonymous Whitehall civil servants’ that DExEU was working hard and competently, only to be undermined by May and Robbins. Steve Baker MP laid it all on the table when talking to the EU Scrutiny Committee, as have other former DExEU secretaries such as Suella Braverman MP.
For this piece of political stupidity as well as for the vassalage Treaty Ms May has now paid the price – and so are we paying the price, with weeks of political banalities being produced by the wannabe May successors and their friends.
Mr Corbyn however is also feeling the heat. His fence-sitting must become very uncomfortable now when Len McCluskey, Secretary General of the powerful Union “Unite” (don’t forget that much of Labour’s money comes from the Trade Unions) warns him in no uncertain terms:
“The Unite general secretary said a second referendum would only ‘pump more poison’ into Britain and a lurch towards one would be ‘electorally suicidal’. He also urged Mr Corbyn to ignore ‘Remain zealots’ after ‘pointless’ European elections because the party would lose dozens of MPs in the north and Midlands. Writing for HuffPost UK he said: ‘There is absolutely no route to a Labour victory as a Remain party. A further referendum will only pump more venom into the body politic. So then we are left with simply cancelling Brexit. For Labour to embrace such a position would be not just electorally suicidal, it would represent a profound rupture in our movement’s democratic traditions’. He added: ‘There is no way round it – leading the charge for Remain and relying on returning Lib Dem or Green voters, rather than continuing to respect the referendum result, will see Labour losing dozens of constituencies it has held since World War Two and longer, and put key marginals we must win way out of reach’. (source)
His intervention comes in the wake of yesterday’s YouGov poll – we mentioned it here – and shows that for him and Labour Brexit has also become just a political plaything, to be factored into voter intentions analyses. It’s about winning seats, perhaps even get into 10 Downing Street – but not about the will of us Leave voters, all 17.4 million of us.
And because it’s so nice and satisfactory, MSM pundits equally indulge in the blame game. Here’s the former Labour spin master Tom Harris (he’s now left that Party) and his points are worth keeping in mind:
“[…] there are too many purists in parliament and not enough pragmatists. Too many Tory MPs decided that only the perfect Brexit would do, while almost every Labour MP tried to convince themselves that if Brexit were delayed long enough, people would lose interest and start talking about other things. […] It may not be too late to get a grip, to get Brexit over with. But even then it might still be too late for the old parties that have let down their voters so very badly. But it remains their best and only chance. They should take it.” (paywalled link)
This sentiment is echoed by Douglas Murray writing in the (paywalled) DT today, who ends his essay thus:
“Anyone hoping to lead the Conservative Party should not just wish to encompass mainstream Right-wing opinion but be willing – for the first time in a generation – to actually stand up for it.” (paywalled link)
Fat chance of that – for them as for the Labour grandees it’s only about maximising votes, it’s not about principles and certainly not about honouring the promise by Cameron to implement our decision, no ifs and buts …
In the run-up to President Trump’s visit, his adviser John “the moustache” Bolton has told the DT in an interview (paywalled link):
“[…] the outcome of the 2016 Brexit referendum represented a “triumph of democracy”. “We have agonised with you throughout this process,” said Mr Bolton. “The US preference is for Britain to follow the course of what the people asked for and leave the EU. It is a lesson for everyone in the triumph of democracy. As a separate nation again, Britain’s impact on the world has the prospect of being even greater. And from the US point of view that is all to the good. I think it will help us in Nato in particular to have another strong and independent country that will help Nato to be more effective, and that has to be a plus.”
One hopes the Tory wannabe PMs take heed of Mr Bolton’s words! As for us – well, there’s the Peterborough by election next week which takes place on the anniversary of D-Day.
Let’s see if the Leavers from all parties can leave their tribal party politics aside for once and support the candidate who stands for TBP. It’s our opportunity to show That Lot that yes, we meant what we said in 2016 and on May 23rd 2019.
Above all, let’s not forget the reason for President Trump’s visit: commemorating D-Day. We remember, as we remember those who gave their all in WWI. So let’s keep channelling our inner Churchill and
KBO!
If someone is an enemy of your power the first tactic is to neutralise them. If that fails invite them into the system or dangle the possibility. They’ll soon be softened up. Recall Rees Mogg and his nice day out with Minimogg at Chequers. He was soon backing May’s deal. Now that nice radical Mr Farage is getting huge media support you may have noticed ahem. They calculate that given time he can be schmoozed into a compromise so that all carries on much as before by exploiting his great weakness – vanity.
If all that fails he’ll trip himself up intoxicated by the milieu. He’d say no never but so many others go that way. Hmmm… Not a reason not to back TBP tactically but have a care I say.
Those in power did not stay there without a lot of skill at keeping it. Look at how Labour has now become a metro elitist power base giving handouts to keep the peasants quiet.
It will be VERY interesting if TBP win, given how Nigel famously got on like house on fire (not) with Douglas Carswell and Mark Reckless ?
Nigel Farage seems more than happy to have a Brexit Party group in the Welsh Assembly led by Mark Reckless. The other members are former UKIP AMs Caroline Jones, Mandy Jones and David Rowland. All four were elected on a UKIP ticket. To make matters worse there must be at least 3 members to meet the requirements of a Group. With David Rowland’s defection on the day of the Brexit rally in Merthyr Tydfil to the Brexit Party the only UKIP AMs are now Neil Hamilton and Gareth Bennett. Those two loyal UKIP members will have to lay off staff and make other changes due to the diminished status.
The Assembly isn’t Westminster.
Mandy Jones never took the UKIP whip so has never represented UKIP as an AM.
The Green Eyed Monster will come out of its cage within days….
The elephant in the room is that Brexit has been for the last three years in the hands of the Remainers with the leavers sitting back hoping that the Remainers would “deliver”. It brexit is to be “delivered” then leavers must be less apologetic and more insistent especially in the media who were allowed to get away with subjecting Leaver politicians and public figures to abuse that can only be describe as libelous.
Get out there and don’t take NO for an answer.
Morning Viv,
What is really being called for here is to back the farage candidate, surely that is in opposition
to the UKIP candidate ?
Are we to be supply on demand subsidy to the brexit group, which in my mind is in turn, the tory party MK2.
Ogga This is Independence Daily not UKIP Daily.
Yes Jake it is, but do we have to support The Brexit Party to put a comment on here now.
Good grief – if that were the case, you surely would have noticed that your comment post and that of other Kippers would not have been published?
I do hope you allow the same freedom of speech to those who are not explicitly supporting UKIP!
INDEPENDENCE Daily is non-partisan, in case you haven’t noticed …
Viv,
I totally agree with one stipulation that it cuts both ways, IMHO there are far to many rhetorical hit and run merchants on a great many threads being allowed to get away with it.
Viv,
I have believed in live and let live my entire life, but truth is, this rotten politics make some
think they are guerrillas and others that they are freedom fighters.
In commemorating D-Day we can see the reality of what politicians have done.
I continue to not understand.Do we not all want brexit.
I know that UKIP has ambitions to be a political party, I also understand that competition may generate the odd interest vote and may be planned.( But unlikely )
To my eyes the whole set up, but particularly the upper echelons of ukip looks crackers.and looks set to emulate the monster raving looney party.
To me there are many options to make ukip sensational as with TBP..
We continue to bang our heads against solid concrete.
JB,
What is it exactly you are trying to say ? if you are trying to suppress freedom of opinion
come out and say it.
While Jake can speak for himself, I would warn you against over-using the accusation of ‘suppressing freedom of opinion’ when a) this is patently not the case, and b) that this point should be made to me, as E-i-C, not to comment posters who have the right to express their opinion much as you have – and you have made good use of it in the past.
Ogga No, not trying to suppress opionion. I trust and expect Independence Daily to work to further the goal of achieving Brexit. The fact that Brexit Daily in this particular report urges support for the Brexit Party in the Peterborough by-election makes complete sense in furthering that goal. You appear to interpret this as being in opposition to UKIP as though this website should in some way favour UKIP. Hence my statement – this is Independence Daily not UKIP Daily or for that matter SDP Daily, Brexit Party Daily or English Democrats Daily.
I place my cursor on the Independent daily independent platform for brexit
grass roots news – ukipdaily.com
I was led to believe that the independent daily thread was suppose to be
neutral political ground but you are saying there are exceptions ,is
that right ?
Personally I have been a genuine Brexiteer since the mid 70s and recently
intensively pounded pavement prior to the 23td vote, I say to confirm my stance.
Again – Jake can speak for himself, but let me make this clear:
* Neutral ground, i.e. non-partisanship means that we will not countenance battles between comment posters about either UKIP versus TBP or about who is the ‘better’ Brexiteer.
* Neutral ground means that there is indeed a neutral ground – Brexit – and that posters should refrain from attacking each other about their attitude towards TBP or UKIP.
* Neutral ground means that tribal party politics are not countenanced. Please remember that many others read posts and comments who are not bound to any party and who are put off by these incessant attacks.
I recommend you watch this video
And don’t forget our name. We’re INDEPENDENCE Daily.
Listen Ogga 1, I don’t give a monkey’s or even an ape’s testicle if TBP is a “c”onservative party mark2, as long as a) we get rid of Cons and Lab from ever forming a government again and (b) we have an outside chance of having a clearly conservative philosophy party again. Life’s a risk, and for me TBP is a good bet.
TW,
Check my back post’s for any anti brexit group comments quite the reverse as a matter of fact.
Curious , are you a vet perchance?
I simply have not the faintest notion of what your point is.
“Back posts” doesn’t need an apostrophe, btw.
Like it or not we have have to back the party that will help deliver Brexit. That’s the BP not UKIP, sad as it is to state it.
“Like it or not we have have to back the party that will help deliver Brexit.” worked out great with Tories during 2017 GE.
We’ll have to see how TBP develops. It could turn out to be, not the Tory Party Mk2, since the current Tory Party is simply the Labour-Lite Party, but the Real Conservative Party. That Douglas Murray piece in the DT, about how the Right vacated the field and left a permanent goal for the Left, is well worth a read. They tacked ever more left in a misguided effort to be seen as compassionate and green as the real Left, totally missing the fact that the Left’s compassion is faux, simply a means to an end.
Patrick Moore (the Canadian, not the astronomer) founded Greenpeace, but left when it was taken over and morphed into something different. TR founded the EDL, but left when it was taken over and morphed into something different. The Tory Party has certainly morphed into something different. Farage is undoubtedly a phenomenon as a front of house PR man; whether he would want pick up the boring details I doubt. He does appear to be backed by a team that is practical and gets things done, from which I would like to see Richard Tice pick up the leadership, and leave the ‘salesmanship’ to Nigel.
Mr Boltons words epitomises my beliefs in the people and workers and drivers of businesses given a millimetre by our rulers and taxers.. The rest will hang on for the ride.
I wouldlike to say that IMHO McClusky Has his head screwed on ( refreshing ) ; as do many union leaders who are in the job for their members not their careers.
I don’t follow Len McClusky . closely but it seems to me that this is a change in his outlook.
“rather than continuing to respect the referendum result”. Using the word continuing to me is a bit of a stretch but he seems to coming down on the side of democracy. He probably does not (yet?) accept the WTO implementation of Brexit but it seems encouraging.
Apologies Jim , but WTO doesn’t implement anything. It’s just there, isn’t it ? A committee,, like a bus stop,. use it if you want, anytime.
Viv, don’t overlook or forget that UKIP have an excellent, highly regarded, local politician standing in the Peterborough by-Election.
Thank you.
Excellant and optimistic Vivian.
Thank you!
🙂
Childish dumbed down language is everywhere , particularly on the BBC ‘news and documentary ‘ programmes not to mention the fantasy land of Sky T.V and advertising, so it should come as no surprise when we hear it from our elite politicians. Mostly from those whose parents are ‘baby boomers’ something else we can all thank them for ?