This Big Ben Bong farce is truly turning into Bonggate now. It shows in exemplary fashion that the Establishment has understood nothing – not of Brexit and not, still not, why we plebs voted Out. It is turning into a train-crash for Whitehall, said Mark François MP.
The thrashing about in Whitehall, by those who are hopefully only wannabe Mandarins, is symptomatic for the general disdain the metro-elite has for all of us outside the Westminster bubble. That’s why I am going to town on this issue. It’s now about more than just getting Big Ben Bonging.
It seems that the PM has caved in to his advisers who’ve been telling the Parliament commission that Big Ben can’t Bong because it’s too expensive, private crowdfunding is unacceptable and anyway, only people in Westminster would be able to hear it. Instead, why not have a wonderful, wonderfully modern virtual, digital ‘show’, having him, the PM as main performer. This is their a-ma-zing plan:
“Buildings around Whitehall will be lit up and Union Jacks will be flown in Parliament Square. No 10 was also forced to defend its decision to stage the countdown in Downing Street, which is not accessible to members of the public. However, aides insisted that the public will be able to watch it on television and on social media sites such as Facebook.” (link)
Oh yes: let’s just all stay at home and watch this on facebook! That’s the way to mark a truly historic moment for our Nation! If you’re not yet spitting feathers, then look at what ‘sources’ have leaked to the MSM:
“Details of the package measures to mark Brexit Day were released by Mr Johnson’s officials yesterday in an attempt to quell the row over the refusal of Commons chiefs to allow Big Ben to bong at the historic moment of departure. A Government source said: “The Prime Minister will make a big address to the nation on the evening of our departure from the EU around the theme of healing. He is very keen to emphasise the continuing close bond of the Union between the four parts of the UK.” (link)
Good grief! Those ‘officials’ are planning to utilise the day where we’re celebrating unshackling ourselves from the EU to appease Ms Sturgeon and the nationalists in Wales and NI! Next, see the really, truly, seriously emotional claptrap they’ve come up with:
“Officials said the Government wanted to mark what will be “a significant moment in our history” without a triumphalist tone that could exacerbate the divisions between Remain and Leave supporters.” (link)
Mustn’t give the impression we’re “triumphalist”! No, let’s make this into a day for ‘healing’ because we can’t get away with making it into a day of national mourning! Even on that day the establishment is bent to appease Remain who have done their utmost to wail and defame Leavers for years.
Perhaps we should do away with Remembrance Sunday as well: just have a suitably serious virtual show to be played on social media and save the money and all those ceremonies of wreath-laying and parading past the Cenotaph. ‘Tis old history, they’re all dead now anyway and it is so ‘triumphalist’, how can we ever ‘heal the rift’ with the losers!
I’m just waiting for one bright spark in Whitehall to argue that showing the Union Jack is perhaps too nationalistic and could hurt the feelings of Brussels and the EU citizens here in this coutnry. Perhaps we should keep flying that blue banner with the golden sphincter to appease their hurty feelz?
Those ‘plans’ are beyond ridiculous – here are more details of which those sources seem to be proud:
“In the final hour of the UK’s EU membership, Government buildings around Whitehall will be illuminated with spotlights and a light show will be triggered in Downing Street including projecting the countdown clock on the black bricks of Number 10.” (link)
A light show! WTF? Is that it? With a count-down clock? One wonders if that virtual clock will be a nice, modern digital one. Using Big Ben’s clock would surely be the establishment showing the finger to all us Leavers one last time.
Oh – there’s more! We recall that getting Big Ben to Bong was deemed to be useless because only those in Westminster would hear it. Now see this:
“While the street is closed to the public for security, the Prime Minister’s aides hope the clock will be broadcast on television. They also expect broadcasters to use archive recordings of Big Ben’s chimes to mark the departure moment.” (link)
This is their aim: make this day into a ‘Party’ just for the PM, with none of us plebs being near – the same plebs who’ve voted Leave, who a few weeks ago gave him his majority. We can watch on telly, and the nice BBC will surely show some archive footage in amongst all that modern light show.
Some hapless ‘sources’ have however let the cat out of the bag. This is why the establishment in Whitehall, in Westminster, will do their utmost, with ever more ridiculous arguments:
“Aides hope the Government efforts to mark the departure from the EU will draw attention away from a party in Parliament Square organised by Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party.” (link)
It’s not about the money – it’s about making Nigel Farage’s celebratory party look insignificant. A celebration by the people for the people? How revolting!
There’s one other fly in the establishment’s ointment. That is the redoubtable Mark François MP who is not letting this go. It now turns out that the £500,000 was vastly exaggerated:
“The commission admitted that triggering the bell on Remembrance Sunday and New Year’s Eve cost taxpayers just £14,200 on each of the two occasions. The figure was disclosed in an answer to a written parliamentary question tabled by Mr Francois.” (link)
That is just outrageous! Thank you, Mr François, for getting those hard-core Remainers to admit they were talking through their collective Remain hats. But never fear – they had ‘a reason’ which surely every Leaver must understand. It’s about saving our tax money, after all:
“Senior Tory MP Sir Paul Beresford, answering on behalf of the commission, wrote in reply to the question: “[…] The striking of Big Ben on these occasions [Remembrance Sunday/New Year’s Eve] was coordinated around the planned works so as to minimise the impact on the project costs and to ensure it did not result in any delay. If the project team are required to strike the bell with less notice, the costs would substantially increase due to the unexpected impact on the project schedule.” (link)
Oh yeah: nobody could foresee that we’d Leave on January 31st 2020! Apparently those hardcore Remainers thought we’d still be in – and apparently they thought they could get away with making the Nation disregard that date. ‘Tis only a Friday night, a night like any other, nothing to see here, nothing to celebrate, especially not when you’re a Remainer.
As Mark François said – this is turning into a train crash both for the Parliament Commission and for those government advisers planning that ridiculous light show in 10 Downing Street. Remainers simply do not understand why this issue is not about Leavers gloating, as they keep telling themselves inside the M25. Charles Moore writes:
“It is a powerful, public statement of a plain constitutional fact. Our status as a country is changing as it has done only once before (when we entered the European Economic Community (EEC) on January 1st 1973). We are regaining our independence because we voted to do so. If that exact moment is captured by the world’s most famous clock striking 11 times, it will mark the change for Parliament and people, right round the globe. It will show that the deed is done.” (paywalled link)
Isn’t this the point: to show the world that we are Out? I’m sure alBeeb will refrain from broadcasting this people’s event should Big Ben Bong, but there will be sufficient other, international broadcasters which will be delighted to pick up the slack. Strange that Labour grandees are so suspiciously silent about all this …
The establishment obviously believes this day, this milestone in our nation’s history, must be downplayed because Remainers will weep and Leavers cannot be trusted to celebrate with dignity. It doesn’t occur to them that, if they really wanted to ‘heal the rift’, they should’ve put themselves at the forefront of those celebrations, if only so that Leavers cannot take all the glory for themselves. That’s how stupid Remainers are!
Nothing exemplifies the way the Westminster establishment has tried and tried again to thwart our wish to Leave than this petty, beancounting, disdainful attempt to downplay our momentous decision. No, Big Ben must not Bong, Farage must not be seen to have ‘triumphed’, Leavers must be shooed back into their hovels where they can watch Johnson glorify himself, parading around in borrowed Leave finery.
That’s why they are doing their utmost to stop Big Ben from Bonging – and that’s why I’ve used this whole column on this one issue. I’m still spitting feathers …!
We won’t stay home – we will celebrate, Big Ben will Bong and we will
KBO!
Whereever you are at 11. pm sing the BONG SONG OF FREEDOM
Over the next few years it will be necessary to ‘Spring Clean’ this Nation, as we have filth clinging on to all aspects of our Government !
Big Ben marking the moment for the Nation, but being refused, is just one item of this filth that must be got rid of by using Democracy !
Personally, I have already celebrated. – I celebrated when the 2016 Referendum result became known. – I celebrated again when Article 50 was actioned. – I took the micky as PM May tried to leave and remain at the same time, and continued micky-taking when this Nation gave Boris what he wanted with a large majority, so that he has no option but to do the will of the people !
Have a little faith in our Democracy ! – The Remain people can and will spoil our celebrations, but take heart. – Spoiling the Nation’s Party and its reasonable celebrations, is what they have had to descend to ! – To a degree, the majority have won, and if Boris has any wisdom at all, he will realise that we each have a vote, and if he goes soft on Brexit he can expect those votes to be lost just as quickly as they were gained. – All MPs must get to grips with the fact that in a Democracy, it is the people who are in charge. – MPs are just our Representatives ! – Many good Labour supporters changed the habits of a lifetime, which left only the Red Rosette knuckle-draggers supporting that Party. – If Labour folk can do this, then Conservatives can change too, barring their own Tory knuckle-draggers ! – Your votes shape this Nation !
I will be celebrating with my family at the end of this month, but it will hopefully be the end of this year that a bigger celebration will be held, as we are finally shot of the EU, and become Subjects of HRH again. ….. Boris would do well to think on this. – His hold upon the office of PM is in his own hands, and that of his Party. – In this, life is easy for me as I have always been a ‘Floating Voter’, with Brexit from the EU being the first item of importance. – Without that being corrected, all other manifesto items from the Parties are held in limbo !
I’m disgusted with the way this has been handled. Nothing changes does it they fight to keep the status quo despite the publics point of view. Now I hear Labour have proposed Berkow for a peerage despite the harm he has done!
Don’t let’s kid ourselves that, had the the “Remainers” won, they wouldn’t have been the least bit “triumphalist”!!! They would have planted the “star spangled sphincter” on every public building, in every public open space and across every media outlet available to them!
I honestly begin to believe that Bojo is really a “Closet Remainer”! Since we gave him his “majority” he has bent with every wind that blows to accommodate all the “perpetually offended” who express their disgruntledness at every opportunity, at our leaving the EU!!
Let Big Ben Bong!!! Get that party started Nigel!
Right on Frederick, with you all the way
I did type Frederica, not Frederick
Spell-checker is a nuisance, isn’t it!
If there’s nothing better, and it is difficult for me to get to London, I shall be banging my saucepan.
Enthusiastically.
I won’t be celebrating anything yet it all looks like a big cover up for what is going on behind the scenes. The snippets of information being dripped out as to what is being negotiated doesn’t bode well and I feel a stitch-up coming on. I hope I am wrong.
What is the “opportunity cost” of not hearinig a national symbol (recognised world-wide) not bonging out on independence day.There is nothing that can replace it that is of any comparable value . Neither can we turn the clock back later.
Whitehall’s childish behaviour will only build up resentment among Leavers. Failing to bong Big Ben is not a good start in healing society’s divisions and help cure the eu disease, that can only happen after we have left the eu. It will never happen while we remain under any form of eu control, such as the WA…
Oops did I mention the Monarchy???? (See my remark below)
I’m not kidding we will be a Monarchy again.
We’ll also return to being a Christian country. Oops, oops.
I daren’t mention we will be a proper functioning INDEPENDENT member of the COMMONWEALTH again ooops
Unfortunately we won’t stay a Christian country for long unless the tide of Islam is suppressed. A difficult task by any measure but an essential one for our survival and, more importantly, the preservation of our country for our descendants.
Even extremely wet Eddie Mair on LBC was coming out in support of ‘Leavers’ being able to have a party in Parliament Square. Nevertheless, lots of people phoning in saying ‘leavers should not be triumphalist’ and that ‘we should consider those we are leaving behind in the countries of Europe’. Typically these remarks went unchallenged. We are not leaving the countries of Europe behind, just taking control of our own destiny and becoming an independent country outside of the European Union. I hope the farce surrounding Big Ben isn’t going to extend to the trade negotiations. This is not the time for Boris Johnson to be resting on his laurels thinking job done. That job has hardly started, and no better way than to get to grips with this particular issue. It is not as if the United Kingdom is leaving the ‘Mothers Union’ but we are leaving the European Union, the foreign power that we have been inextricably tied to for 40 years, and that in itself will go down as an historic occasion, and one that is worthy of bells throughout the land sounding.
Triumphalist? Celebrating the return of the supreme power to your own directly elected and Parliament is not triumphalist. The electorate were asked to decide the future direction of our country based on (what we thought) democratic principles. It was only the reaction of the minority who decided not to abide by these principles that has led to the wasteful and vicious “contest” that the years after the referendum have become.
So even now it is expected by them that the wishes of the minority must be respected – why? No one is forcing anyone, apart from those within earshot of Big Ben, Parliament Square or Downing street to take part or even be affected at all, there is no persecution the minority involved.Turn in at 22.30h and miss it all.
But maybe the Remainers at 23.00h on 31/1/2020 could ponder on why they abandoned democracy and why they do not value our Nation (and you are so right Mr. Fox, thank you). If there is to be a “healing process” they must do this as speaking for myself I am not willing to compromise on either.
I believe Boris is at heart a leaver. He is bound to be. However. He’s a politician and certain things are paramount.
First, Voters. All of them. All kinds , from MPs and Lords, down to me…! So he’ll give way on anything we are not in full voice on.From this point of view , this is a test case now. His authority has been challenged.. And indirectly, his judgement. He needs to re-inforce his authority vis a vis both Civil Service and the relevant MPs. Anybody who talks of resprcting feelings is negative and not wanted. Not even, as Labour claims, to provide an opposition.
Second. Laws. He’s a politician. These are his epitaph. They need to be perfect. He has the power. Unintended consequences ( Religions must be brought into line. There is no question about that. But this is a political foolishness, and must be resolved. without bloodshed which is the most likely outcome if people react like UKIP did and start having virtuous hissy fits, . It is up to us all to help him get them resolved…WE are the best workers of that ( Not the wise men particularly, but ALL )
Third. The Economy. Business is beyond argument necessary and not a cash cow. ..Think about it a bit. It pays us all. Socialism doesn’t, despite ridiculous claims And it pays us because it makes people wealthier.. BIG BUSINESS IS NOT OFTEN/ALWAYS GOOD.
Fourth. Education … It is hard to believe how bad the situation is. Everybody in the country would opt for Private Education becouse it is BETTER.
And fifth and sixth and seventh and Environment overall ( Not idiotic warming twits )etc. Do each properly not for facebook.
“Big Ben engineer entirely rubbishes bell’s bong price | The Nigel Farage Show”:
A suitable response may be to get all leavers all over the country to hit a saucepan in their back garden, or send off a firework. every hour until 9 oclock the first
Maybe it would have more effect to bang your saucepan for a continuous fifteen minutes at 11 pm.
They don’t call them “REMOANERS” for nothing do they?
It’s all a case of sour grapes if you ask me!
Some comments here from LBC Farage showand Jeff Taylor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONGxrZVHbXk&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2dib-E4iCND98If5fJ9xrAyBas40ioX8bosAU0C6iqdzAb9Uw662g5QvU
The face of Parliament had a cosmetic tuck or two at the last election but make no mistake it has not been changed.
Celebrate by all means on the 31st but on the 1st Feb we wake up and find we have temporarily joined for another year, still paying £1billion per month and still subject to all its laws.
Forgive my uber-scepticism but I do not and never have trusted the Tories on Europe, nor do I trust Johnson.
A man who has been given all the power he needs to deliver a clean Brexit also has the power to fudge it too.
As someone wrote in these columns earlier in the year. This is not Brexit Day more like All Fools Day.
My feeling exactly. Nothing meaningful changes on 1st Feb, except we shall no longer have even a trivial say in EU matters.
I fear it will all be repeated in 12 months’ time.
And we may discover (now it is too late, as is traditional with EU matters) what subservience and structural integration of our armed forces – under PESCO (the EU’s security and defence policy) – .May, with the help of Alan Duncan, signed us up to in secret.
There are two faint glimmers, though.
First, the fact that Bill Cash is happy with proceedings; and he should know in so many ways.
Second, whether we are truly out, it is being portrayed as being out and the government must maintain that pretence. At the slightest whiff of back-tracking or that Boris (as the figurehead) has been less than truthful about the true nature and legal commitments of the WA, the Tories’ current fragile popularity will sink like the proverbial lead balloon. So the process might develop its own momentum (small ‘m’) and become self-fulfilling, regardless of the legal small print. One can but hope.
Always best to stay at home quietly and leave things to the authorities who are the experts as any policeman will tell you if you are on a demo they don’t like – which is all of them. All you are doing is wasting police time. What’s it got to do with you anyway you are nobody important.
There’s just one thing in all this thoughts of a “celebration”, just what are we celebrating and who should be celebrating?
For me Brexit is all about the recovery of Sovereignty, also to me,this has the meaning of Parliamentary recovery (control of of all the levers of power and our own borders ,law and fisheries) and Monarchical recovery (I.e. I return to being a Subject of the Queen and she returns to being a sole Monarch in her own right – no longer an EU “citizen”)
Surely we should be having a Royal Celebration, in the absence of the organisation by the Duke of Norfolk it is fine that loyal subject Nigel Farage is arranging a suitable ceremony.
Can she award a Knighthood in her own right for services to the crown? (If precedent is needed there is one in Scotland where a king ennobled a courtier for recovering his banner -Baronies of the Hilltown)
We are and have been, living through a moment in history no less momentous than VE Day. There may not have been any Stukas or Junkers Ju 88s over-head and as far as I know no-one was shot but make no mistake our survival, our very existence, as a free, independent Britain was and those familiar with the EU plans for our future will be able to attest, was, from the moment the Conservative politician Edward Heath signed us over, all those years ago, in grave peril.
So no, while I for one, don’t particularly want to see the latter day Lord Haw Haw’s of this time round being put against a wall in the Tower like the German spy last time around, methinks those who lost should be thankful that we’ve just witnessed not only a great triumph for Britain, but much more than that, a great triumph for democracy.
Because, had democracy failed we still would have won and those complaining would have been much thinner on the ground right now.
So all the losers on the enemy’s side should stop their whining.
If it’s healing they need, they should seek professional help.
Put another way, if you lot know what’s good for you
LET US PARTY
I feel something coming on chez-moi at the end of the month.
Two speakers out into the back garden. Two speakers out into the front garden.
Amp turned right up (’em).
AND
http://soundfxcenter.com/download-sound/big-ben-chiming-11-o-clock-sound-effect/
Followed by real sound effect of sparkles cork popping. And shouts of ‘dun ya bad’.
Do I care about those living around me. Just watch and listen!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/06/matt-cartoons-january-2020/
I would take mine, but it only goes ding ding ding
Mind you it’s better than Chuck Bery’s(?) that only went ding-a-ling
Looks like the Prime minister and all those so clever advisors in Whitehall have already forgotten the voters that produced a landslide tory victory barely a few week ago. Not a good omen.
Gosh you’re an angry lot aren’t you?
Why are you so.angry? You won didn’t you?
Or is it that you’ll never be satisfied until it’s 1963 again and you’re in the prime of your youth?
Or perhaps you’d prefer to be at war with Germany again?
Bad winners.
It seems to me that the anger has been coming from one side only – and certainly not from the Leavers.
Have you ever heard of the expression ‘bad losers’? No?
Same in the US with the “Democrats” foaming at the mouth in their attempts to impeach Donald Trump.