I am appalled by the machinations and games Ms May, the government, and the Tory and labour remainers are playing, now that she’s back with that ‘extension’ and promise of more extensions under her belt!
Since anger is bad for your health, I wonder if one could sue Ms May, her government, the Tory Party and especially the HoC for causing immeasurable damage to the Nation’s health due to their boneheaded disregard of us, the 17.4 million Brexit voters. My anger now knows no bounds.
And now that Ms May is back, what do the Remain Tories in her government do? Lay out ‘plans’ as to how bet to get her WA through, somehow, and to keep her in 10 Downing Street! That, according to a good but rather gloomy article by Paul Goodman (see here), is her sole aim – even if it might end in her losing power to Parliament, thanks to those various ‘votes’ they’re all playing with. Here’s a good explanation:
“Senior MPs fear that there may not be a majority for any single alternative to Theresa May’s Brexit deal if the Commons is asked to vote on options next week. David Lidington, Mrs May’s de facto deputy, opened discussions with opposition leaders yesterday over the sort of votes that could take place. “He was keen to discuss whether there should be indicative ballots [when MPs can vote for each alternative they like] or exhaustive ballots [where each round narrows the choice until one option is ultimately selected],” an opposition source told The Times. Such a strategy goes further than No 10’s public comments on the issue, which are that the government would “facilitate a process . . . to consider the potential ways forward” if Mrs May loses her Brexit deal again.” (link, paywalled)
Now we know what they mean – although I still don’t know what the difference is between a ‘meaningful’ vote and an ordinary vote … Here’s more:
“Hard Brexit supporters described the idea of testing alternatives to Mrs May’s Brexit deal as a “national humiliation”, fearing it could lead to a softer Brexit. If the government does not embrace indicative votes, MPs are likely to force them to be held anyway after Hilary Benn, Yvette Cooper and Nick Boles put down a motion, to be voted on on Monday, that would seize the agenda.” (link, paywalled)
The reason for those desperate ‘compromises’ is that the DUP has declared they will not vote for that ‘deal’, nor will the ERG, so Ms May is trying to avoid bringing it to the HoC as long as she doesn’t get a majority for it. Here’s a non-paywalled report:
“Theresa May was today accused of ‘declaring open war’ on her own Eurosceptic MPs by promising a free vote on a second referendum or revoking Article 50 if her Brexit deal is killed off next week. Downing Street will ask MPs from all parties to help find her a Plan B as Tory rebels said their ‘isolated’ leader should ‘name a date’ for her resignation after failing to deliver Brexit for March 29. Tory MP Steve Baker, the ERG’s deputy chairman, said today: ‘National humiliation is imminent through these indicative votes. The wrong Conservatives have the levers of power’. Michael Fabricant tweeted: ‘If this is true, has Theresa May now decided to declare open war on ALL her backbenchers’.”
Let that sink in – and let sink in that even more MPs are now demanding she resign. Meanwhile, over at Labour, there are splits and there’s defiance as well:
“Tom Watson will tell supporters today that a second Brexit referendum is the “only way to resolve” the impasse, in defiance of Labour’s official policy.The deputy leader will offer to support Theresa May’s deal next week if she agrees to put it to voters along with the option of remaining in the EU. […] Mr Watson will say that he has reluctantly come to the conclusion that voters must have another say.” (link, paywalled)
But don’t get bedazzled by all these permutations. Ms May is not giving up yet:
“Mrs May has indicated she may not even bring her deal back to parliament for a third vote if there is not enough support for it. In a letter to her fellow parliamentarians, she wrote: “If it appears that there is not sufficient support to bring the deal back next week, or the House rejects it again, we can ask for another extension before April 12.” (link, paywalled)
That, dear friends, is the aim: extension after extension to keep us in! As our MPs are fumbling about, trying to get ‘their’ BRINO before the deadline of April 12th. Labour is hoping to get a GE or at least a 2nd referendum out of it (with the question ‘do you want to Remain or do you want to remain just a little bit?) – do they not realise that voters won;t support any Party that denies us Brexit?
Some pundits are now homing in on revoking Article 50 altogether! That’s thanks to the luvvies’ Petition which has been discredited across the MSM:
“Truly, Brexit Derangement Syndrome has gone viral. Already, an impressive list of characters has signed the petition. Jacob Rees-Mogg has given it his seal of approval over 8,000 times. Idi Amin, of all people, has signed it over 700 times. Journalist Julia Hartley-Brewer registered herself under the name “Remoaner McRemoanface”, seemingly without detection. One Leaver, Bruce Lawson, testing the online system’s limits, found that he could sign the petition on multiple email accounts. Others have set up automated systems to sign up over and over again.” (paywalled link)
“Remain Democracy” in action! Fraud and manipulation …
That Brexit is in danger of death by a thousand cuts, ahem, extensions, is demonstrated nicely by our government. Yes, they’ve set up a unit and a programme to deal with no-deal Brexit (see here) – that ‘emergency assumed to last for three months (!) – but after having been alerted, they’ve been stood down already (paywalled link). A clear case of ‘don’t listen to what they say – watch what they are doing’.
To finish on a high note: the inimitable Sir John Redwood opens his diary entry for today (here) with an exceedingly strong statement:
“Parliament has declared verbal [Ed: this was added later today by Sir John Redwood himself] war on the people. The war can only be ended if we leave the EU on 29 March with no Withdrawal Agreement.”
… and ends thus:
“These Remain MPs are letting the people down badly. They blame the public for bravely choosing freedom. They lack any vision of the better future that beckons. Their pathetic whining of how our country will be worse if they take responsibility from the EU tells us more about their inadequacies than about the bold vision of the people.”
Bravo, Sir John Redwood! Do read the whole thing and note the difference between his words and that dreadful performance of Ms May on Wednesday evening’s press statement.
While the usual talking heads will appear on our TV screens with their personal opinions, we can only hope that some Tories, en coulisse, are finding a way to get rid of her during this weekend. That coming week will be crucial – reserve your seat before the telly but don’t forget to email your MPs!
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/22/a-petition-against-the-people/?utm_source=Weekly+newsletter&utm_campaign=152da8bbce-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_03_22_04_48&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7e9712ba33-152da8bbce-
An extremely eloquent and disturbing comment on what I call the de facto British civil war . Very very disturbing.
We know of course that the “Stop Brexit ” petition is fraudulent , yet there are still huge numbers who have supported it and O’Neill makes the same point as I have made as to the geographical split which has developed in Britain , similar to the Civil War 400 years ago. Even worse is the very deep societal split as I overheard in a cafe the other day. Two elderly gents , late 60s , retired, smug , superior, you know the type. No doubt on generous final salary pensions at taxpayer expense. May be retired civil servants of some sort. One of them said “well you know the last time the monarch prorogued Parliament , he had his head chopped off. Ha ha ha. They say that Parliament are traitors, but what I say is that every one of those 17.4 million who voted Leave are traitors..Ha ha ha.” I won’t even try to plumb the depths of this mentality. All I know is that we are at war with these people.
Horrifyingly it is reminiscent of one of the central themes of 1984 in which the brainwashed Ingsoc party members(the guys in the café) see themselves almost as a race apart from the Proles(championed by UKIP) and despise them.
We are living in a country undermined and divided and turned upside-down by a century of socialist subversion of our institutions. As Lenin said, we shall destroy everything and on the ruins we shall build our temple.
Peter
we don’t need another referendum we nee a Generaal Election for the sake of democracy. Why we are at itt why is it not pushed out about our payments to brussels and all there signss saying paid for by the eu ? when we get 2Pence in every pound back, like the farmer who said they get 400 million from the eu yet thats cost the taxpayer “20 BILLION” but never mentioned
With regards to this ‘Revoke Article 50’ petition, it does state on all petition pages:
“The data shows the number of people who have signed the petition by country as well as in the constituency of each Member of Parliament. This data is available for all petitions on the site. It is not a list of people who have signed the petition. The only name that is shared on the site is that of the petition creator. ”
So where are people getting all these names from that have supposedly signed this petition, if that data is not made available?
Also with regards to signatures coming from literally everywhere on the planet (even Antarctica), it sadly exposes the flaws with the petition system and how it can be abused. Apart from having to click a link in the confirmation email – which means you need access to the email address provided – there is no other verification or method to confirm that the participant is indeed a British citizen or actually normally resident in the UK.
So yes, it would be relatively easy for someone to ‘scam’ any petition with bogus signatures by using scripts, or to send it ‘viral’ and just get as many people to sign it that shouldn’t normally have the right to.
The other irony is that with so many ‘Brits’ signing this petition from all over the world, it kind of makes a mockery when so many Brits appear to be living outside the EU already. 🙂
There is nothing to stop anyone setting up a generic e-mail address through something like Yahoo or gmail, signing the petition under that address then deleting it. They could do that thousands of times.
When previously challenged on another issue other than Brexit, there was deadly silence when it was suggested that call centre style enterprises were in existence to provide mass postings to online areas where those with power wanted to influence public opinion.
This sort of enterprise could possibly lend itself to completing online Government petitions? It may also explain why there always appears to be mass support for policies that the public do not want?
Re: petitions.
It should be noted that a) All petitions last for six months (the Revoke Art50 petition was opened in August 2018 and is still open) and b) Petition to ask parliament to approve ‘no deal ‘ without further delay
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/247721/gathering-support has been open for several days but nobody can sign it.
Please sign this petition & share with as many people as possible: https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/62762658/signed
John, I think you’ll find that petition has already been debated in the House of Commons. However the most important vote as we know was on the 23rd June 2016. That is the only one that counts……
Yet another reason to leave.
Excellent but on here it is preaching to the converted. If only we could get the remainers and the snowflakes to actually watch and understand it…
If you go onto her web page, the book she refers to is not available.
Similarly if one looks for ”Migrant Crime Wave” elsewhere, this is what you get:-
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Surely Mrs May’s plan B is ‘No Deal’. Why else would she slag off her MPs if it were not to put the blame for that onto them? If everybody still keeps yapping on and don’t alter the date in time, we may still get Brexit on 29th March! She managed to convince the EU that No Deal was still on the cards.
No Deal is indeed back on the table and in reality was never taken off it. But Mrs May has successfully made the EU get the blame for spelling it all out.
Her raison d’etre is to try and hold her political party together, with Brexit I don’t think she is fussed one way or t’other. And thus it is that she has successfully exasperated most of the House of Commons and perhaps 80% of Her Majesty’s subjects, seeing as how we are polarised now, as Remainers or Leavers.
I would dearly like to know whether the 29th March leaving date can be changed with a Statutory Instrument, or do we need to revise the 2018 Act – anybody on here know the answer? Would Mr Redwood know?
There is just too little talk of Freedom and Democracy. The main deciding issue has been, by a long margin, economics. Now the issue being pushed is about the electorate’s impatience, saturation and boredom. How pathetic!
The Home Secretary jumped on the bandwagon by saying he went to Walthamstow to get away from Brexit. He should of course be sacked for such an irresponsible attitude.
We need to get some fire in our spirits. Whenever there is an election alternatives need to be in place. This is why I have been against a snap GE. If one is called, will alternative candidates be in place! If not we will just get the same old same old, party candidates from the Lib Lab Con.
Any party that disagrees with what is happening, or any Independent for that matter, should be organising with like-minded groups to get maximum coverage. The only conventional action we have is at the ballot box. But there are lots that can be done in other ways.
At this stage recruitment is probably the most important. All other issues must be put aside so in campaigning the Brexit Scandal must be No1, 2, 3…… While the LibLabCon party is in such disarray a blunt stave must be hammered into its heart with a mallet.
Appalled indeed Viv; I’m beginning to wonder if May is mentally ill.
I’m not so sure that John Redwood is correct about voting /voters support.
This solid conservative results ( according to Con Home yesterday,
By election results, solid performance , not the melt down predicted comments etc from conhome.
Basildon
Council by-election result from yesterday
Labour 504 (51.3 per cent, +10.1 on 2016) Conservatives 478 (48.7 per cent, +27.2)
Labour hold.
Durham – Esh and Witton Gilbert
Lib Dems 1,115 (63.2 per cent, +9.5 on 2017) Labour 366 (20.7 per cent, -8.0) Independent 155 (8.8 per cent, +8.8) Conservatives 128 (7.3 per cent, -10.3)
Lib Dems hold
Kensington & Chelsea – Dalgarno
Labour 719 (51.6 per cent, -18.8 on 2018) Conservatives 306 (25.5 per cent, +3.5) Lib Dems 146 (12.2 per cent, +4.5) UKIP 68 (5.7 per cent, +5.7) Green Party 61 (5.1 per cent, +5.1)
Labour hold.
Newcastle-under-Lyme – Holditch & Chesterton
Independent 282 (40.3 per cent, +23.2 on 2018) Labour 268 (38.3 per cent, -13.9) UKIP 86 (12.3 per cent, +2.6) Conservatives 49 (7.0 per cent, -8.3) SDP 14 (2.0 per cent, +2.0)
Independent gain from Labour.
Southend – Milton
Labour 833 (49.9 per cent, +4.7 on 2018) Conservatives 528 (31.6 per cent, +5.3) Lib Dems 219 (13.1 per cent, +9.7) For Britain 89 (5.3 per cent, +5.3)
Labour hold.
Thurrock – Aveley & Uplands
Conservatives 773 (43.6 per cent, +16.4 on 2018) Thurrock Independents 551 (31.1 per cent, -12.1) Labour 394 (22.2 per cent, -1.5) Lib Dems 55 (3.1 per cent, +3.1)
Conservatives gain from Thurrock Independents.
Forthcoming contests
March 28th
Sutton – Wallington North (Lib Dem councillor forfeited seat after six months absence)
Clackmannanshire – Clackmannanshire Central (Ward currently split)
April 4th
Norfolk – Wroxham – (Conservative held)
April 11th
Edinburgh – Leith Walk (Labour held)
Burnley – Rosehill with Burnley Wood (Independent held)
Lambeth – Thornton (Labour held)
Merthyr Tydfil – Cyfarthfa (Independent held)
May 2nd
Dundee – North East (Labour held)
Surrey – Haslemere (Conservative held)
Due to apathy I only did a quick and simple research on the first two results, Basildon and Durham. The voter turnout was 14% and 28% respectively, so I am not alone in my apathy.
Plus or minus percentage figures mean nothing, for example four people could have voted, three for one candidate (75%) and one for another (25%) a landslide.on say a 0.1% turnout.
I would say that based on these results John Redwood’s conclusions are spot on and being expressed in apathy. The die-hards and the ones voting on purely local issues would no doubt be out, but the bulk, ” What’s the pointpoint? “
The Aveley and Uplands result for Thurrock is rather rather worrying. I think that was the seat held by Tim Aker formerly of UKIP, and has been lost to the Conservatives. Where is UKIP in all this, nowhere to be seen is the answer. We are not moving forward as we should be, and to my mind this is not helped by yesterday’s announcement that UKIP are holding a rally in Whitehall sponsored by Tommy Robinson. Most of my members are boycotting the UKIP rally in favour of the Leave means Leave rally.
As I predicted, in the aftermath of recent pondscum activity in Parliament, and thanks to FPTP, the only big difference in current elections is the turnout. The same PROPORTION of people, more or less, will vote for each of the old parties, with only average variance in results between this election and the last.
For any of those parties to get “slaughtered at the polls”, as far too many people fantasize about, would take a quantum leap change of thousands and thousands of people not only not voting for their usual, but actually voting for a fresh party such as UKIP or For Britain.
Been banging on about this now for ten years, I wonder if anyone has started getting reality yet.
Viv – please stop using” ‘en coulisse,’ I can’t stand it anymore it’s doing my head in.
Well – it’s fewer words than ‘behind the scenes’, and every little counts!
😉
Well I like it; it’s part of Vivian’s trademark ! Plus everything is done en coulisse by the vermin “governing” us, so it can’t be avoided ! I’m just concerned Vivian that you are looking after yourself properly and not overdoing it.